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Serpo
28th April 2013, 06:24 PM
SACRAMENTO, CA (KXTV) - A Sacramento family was torn apart after a 5-month-old baby boy was taken from his parents following a visit to the doctor.
The young couple thought their problems were behind them after their son had a scare at the hospital, but once they got home their problems got even worse.
It all began nearly two weeks ago, when Anna Nikolayev and her husband Alex took their 5-month-old boy Sammy to Sutter Memorial Hospital to be treated for flu symptoms, but they didn't like the care Sammy was getting.
For example, one day Anna asked why a nurse was giving her son antibiotics.
"I asked her, for what is that? And she's like, 'I don't know.' I'm like, 'you're working as a nurse, and you don't even know what to give to my baby for what,'" Anna explained.
According to Anna, a doctor later said Sammy shouldn't have been on the antibiotics.
Anna said Sammy suffers from a heart murmur and had been seeing a doctor at Sutter for regular treatment since he was born. After Sammy was treated for flu symptoms last week, doctors at Sutter admitted him to the pediatric ICU to monitor his condition. After a few days, Anna said doctors began talking about heart surgery.
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"If we got the one mistake after another, I don't want to have my baby have surgery in the hospital where I don't feel safe," Anna said.
Anna argued with doctors about getting a second opinion. Without a proper discharge, she finally took Sammy out of the hospital to get a second opinion at Kaiser Permanente.
"The police showed up there. They saw that the baby was fine," Anna said. "They told us that Sutter was telling them so much bad stuff that they thought that this baby is dying on our arms."
Medical records from the doctor treating Sammy at Kaiser Permanente said the baby as clinically safe to go home with his parents. The doctor added, "I do not have concern for the safety of the child at home with his parents."
"So police saw the report from the doctors, said, 'okay guys, you have a good day,' and they walked away," Anna said.
Anna said the next day police and child protective services showed up on her doorstep. Alex Nikolayev said he met them outside a short time after they arrived.
"I was pushed against the building, smacked down. I said, 'am I being placed under arrest?' He smacked me down onto the ground, yelled out, 'I think I got the keys to the house,'" Alex said.
Then police let themselves inside.
On home video shot with a camera Anna set up herself, police can be seen entering her front door on Wednesday.
"I'm going to grab your baby, and don't resist, and don't fight me ok?" a Sacramento police officer said in the video.
"He's like, 'okay let your son go,' so I had to let him go, and he grabbed my arm, so I couldn't take Sammy. And they took Sammy, and they just walked away," Anna said.
When News10 spoke with police, they said talk to CPS; CPS did not say much about the case. Just before 6 p.m. Thursday, Anna said that a CPS social worker told her, the reason they took Sammy is because of severe neglect; however, the social worker didn't elaborate on that neglect.
Sutter Memorial was asked to comment on the story, but the hospital said the case was with CPS and law enforcement and they would have to comment on the case. CPS said they can't specifically comment on this case because of privacy law, but CPS spokesperson Laura McCasland said, "We conduct a risk assessment of the child's safety and rely heavily on the direction of health care providers."
"It seems like parents have no right whatsoever," Alex said.
On Thursday, Anna and Alex were allowed a one hour visitation with Sammy; he's currently in protective custody at Sutter Memorial Hospital.
"His smile, it's everything for me," Anna said. "I was so happy to see him."
Anna and Alex have a court hearing scheduled for Monday.
"We did everything," Anna said. "We went from one hospital to another. We just wanted to be safe, that he is in good hands."
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Cebu_4_2
28th April 2013, 06:53 PM
That's messed up shit for sure... Last time my kid was in the hospital they put a wrist band on the wrist and basically we were prisoners of the system for 4 days. Once out I had a chance to fix shit with a couple teas, if I didn't actively get the fuck out of dodge the kid would not be the same or even alive now.
Shami-Amourae
28th April 2013, 07:04 PM
Nice job CPS. That baby is probably worth tens of thousands of bucks. It's a boost for the GDP! Plus CPS workers can now afford sevruga caviar for snacks as an extra bonus!
Child abduction is becoming just as a more lucrative racket than war, drugs, or illegal gun running. On top of that the Elite Luciferian Satanists have plenty of new live human sacrifices, perfect for mutilation and blood magic!
Twisted Titan
28th April 2013, 07:24 PM
This is a shining example of why when i begrudingly take my wee one to the hospital.
I go out of my way to be fairly polite
When they screw up it can go one of two ways.
They get scared and order a bunch of test to Cover their ass
Or They get agressive and say you are endangering your child by second guessing them after all YOU ARE NOT A DOCTOR.
and if you think its bad now.
Wait till those quack docs and nurses become federalized and free from the fear of Litigation and liscence loss.
Walking into a hospital for being sick will be a dangerous as walking into a police precint to ask a cop A question
Avoid both like the plaugue BECAUSE THEY ARE
ximmy
28th April 2013, 10:32 PM
White babies to be collected by the state for proper termination.
Couple Fights to Get Their Baby Back from Authorities (http://www.activistpost.com/2013/04/couple-fights-to-get-their-baby-back.html)
GreenMedTV (http://tv.greenmedinfo.com/couple-fights-to-get-their-baby-back-from-authorities/)
A Sacramento family was torn apart after a 5-month-old baby boy was taken from his parents following a visit to the doctor.
“I’m going to grab your baby and don’t resist and don’t fight me.”
This is what a police officer told a Sacramento couple for merely getting a second opinion on their baby’s health. This recent news story is shocking many but the word is getting out….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOohGSFjzNM
Serpo
29th April 2013, 12:53 AM
Moral of the story..................dont go to the doctor.............
Shami-Amourae
29th April 2013, 03:04 AM
Moral of the story..................dont go to the doctor.............
I never do anymore. Ever since I discovered naturopathy I've never had to go back.
Spectrism
29th April 2013, 04:02 AM
If a cop or CPS did that to me, they would all disappear. They used brute force to steal a baby. If they were resisted, they would use deadly force. Deadly force would come home to them. They have no idea what hornets nest they are stirring up.
The story is outrageous. They declared war on that family. And the news station was told by the hospital that it is now a police matter. Bull. Since when does CPS have overruling authority based on a complaint from the hospital? This crap will be multiplied with the devil Obamacare. People have no idea what evil they worship in that nigger-devil Obama and his controllers. The whole government system is thoroughly corrupted as the rights of people are taken away by brute force.
Shami-Amourae
29th April 2013, 06:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zLwIkvYSMU
Spectrism
29th April 2013, 06:30 AM
I would like to see them win a minimal $10million law suit against the state.... get the cops and CPS people involved fired.... and then win a $20million defamation and wrongful allegation suit against the hospital for calling in government forces.
Twisted Titan
29th April 2013, 06:44 AM
Maybe 2 million and a gag order
900k after lawyers
madfranks
29th April 2013, 09:18 AM
"I'm going to grab your baby, and don't resist, and don't fight me ok?" a Sacramento police officer said in the video.
"He's like, 'okay let your son go,' so I had to let him go, and he grabbed my arm, so I couldn't take Sammy. And they took Sammy, and they just walked away," Anna said.
She should be ashamed to call herself that child's mother. What kind of mother simply offers her child over to intruders who force their way into your house and demand your baby? As his mother, she was that little child's FINAL defense against danger and harm, and she simply gave him away because she "had to". I'd have to be dead before I let armed strangers take my child out of my arms.
Ares
29th April 2013, 10:04 AM
Child abduction is becoming just as a more lucrative racket than war, drugs, or illegal gun running. On top of that the Elite Luciferian Satanists have plenty of new live human sacrifices, perfect for mutilation and blood magic!
It's not child abduction when the child belongs to the state. Marriage License is the key to parental rights.
The state lays it's authority on “Parens Patria” which is Latin for “parent by the country”
License:
Whereas, “license” means permission to do that which would otherwise be illegal’; and,
Whereas, it is not otherwise illegal to be married under the law; and,
Whereas, the only other reason it would be unlawful for two consenting adults to be married is if they ware otherwise incompetent;
When you request a marriage license you're already stating that you are incompetent.
Spectrism
29th April 2013, 11:03 AM
She should be ashamed to call herself that child's mother. What kind of mother simply offers her child over to intruders who force their way into your house and demand your baby? As his mother, she was that little child's FINAL defense against danger and harm, and she simply gave him away because she "had to". I'd have to be dead before I let armed strangers take my child out of my arms.
These people are from Russia. They likely did not know what their rights are. Also, are you going to get into a fight with 3 or 4 armed bastards while holding your child? Fights are done at times of your choosing so that damage does not visit your family, but theirs.
madfranks
29th April 2013, 11:14 AM
These people are from Russia. They likely did not know what their rights are. Also, are you going to get into a fight with 3 or 4 armed bastards while holding your child? Fights are done at times of your choosing so that damage does not visit your family, but theirs.
She didn't have to fight them, she simply had to refuse to give her baby to them. Make it clear that you do not know what's going on, you don't know who these people are, you will not allow strangers to take your baby, etc. Two things will happen, either they'll leave and you still have your baby, or they may taze/beat/force you to the ground and kidnap your child. If the former, you have proven yourself a true protector of your child, if the latter, I'd treat it as a kidnapping and do everything I could to get my child back. The fact that the whole thing was recorded would definitely help as well.
General of Darkness
29th April 2013, 11:19 AM
These people are from Russia. They likely did not know what their rights are. Also, are you going to get into a fight with 3 or 4 armed bastards while holding your child? Fights are done at times of your choosing so that damage does not visit your family, but theirs.
I was going to say the same.
Back to the OP. We are the PROPERTY of the STATE, or at least they think that way and act that way
Spectrism
29th April 2013, 11:31 AM
She didn't have to fight them, she simply had to refuse to give her baby to them. Make it clear that you do not know what's going on, you don't know who these people are, you will not allow strangers to take your baby, etc. Two things will happen, either they'll leave and you still have your baby, or they may taze/beat/force you to the ground and kidnap your child. If the former, you have proven yourself a true protector of your child, if the latter, I'd treat it as a kidnapping and do everything I could to get my child back. The fact that the whole thing was recorded would definitely help as well.
And Solomon said to the two women who were caliming to be the mother of the same baby: let the baby be split in two and half given to each mother. One woman cried out and said NO! let the other have my baby. Solomon then made his judgment. We now know who the true mother is.
A true mother would not engage in combat with 3 larger armed thugs while holding her baby.
madfranks
29th April 2013, 11:56 AM
And Solomon said to the two women who were caliming to be the mother of the same baby: let the baby be split in two and half given to each mother. One woman cried out and said NO! let the other have my baby. Solomon then made his judgment. We now know who the true mother is.
A true mother would not engage in combat with 3 larger armed thugs while holding her baby.
Your point is made, but once again, I never said anything about engaging in combat with them. They told her to hand the baby over, and she didn't protest, but simply complied and handed the child over. I'd refuse, and make them take the baby from me.
Spectrism
29th April 2013, 12:36 PM
Your point is made, but once again, I never said anything about engaging in combat with them. They told her to hand the baby over, and she didn't protest, but simply complied and handed the child over. I'd refuse, and make them take the baby from me.
I know... and fight like a lioness is what any mother would do if they were certain their baby would be harmed.
Jews got on the freight trains in nzai Germany because they hoped they would be alright if they only complied.
If she faught with them, and they clearly would have used force since they hog-tied her husband..... then her baby would have gotten hurt.
If it was me, I would have done the same thing. Then I would hunt those bastards down one by one.
iOWNme
29th April 2013, 02:23 PM
She should be ashamed to call herself that child's mother. What kind of mother simply offers her child over to intruders who force their way into your house and demand your baby? As his mother, she was that little child's FINAL defense against danger and harm, and she simply gave him away because she "had to". I'd have to be dead before I let armed strangers take my child out of my arms.
A small weak domesticated house cat will protect its kittens from outsiders with lethal force, yet this woman handed her child over with not a wimper. Why? BECAUSE SHE IS UNDER MIND CONTROL where she belives that she has a moral obligation to follow 'Authority' over her own morals/values/conscience.
I know how i would have handled the situation.......Protection of my family with LETHAL FORCE.
Side note: STOP going to hospitals to have your baby. Mid wives and a peaceful home experience is the ONLY way to bring your progeny into this world.
iOWNme
29th April 2013, 02:28 PM
Also, are you going to get into a fight with 3 or 4 armed bastards while holding your child?
You have just summed up EXACTLY why most of human history is filled with murder/torture/theft/etc. Because all of the good natured, well meaning individuals sat by while Evil men had their way with them.
I respect your choice, but i would NEVER follow it.
PatColo
30th April 2013, 06:58 AM
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Spectrism
30th April 2013, 08:04 AM
You have just summed up EXACTLY why most of human history is filled with murder/torture/theft/etc. Because all of the good natured, well meaning individuals sat by while Evil men had their way with them.
I respect your choice, but i would NEVER follow it.
You don't attack a battalion of modern tanks on horseback shooting a muzzle loader. What is accomplished by engaging in a conventional war when you have neither the ability to win or the gain of having won?
If that woman fought the cops, she and her child would have gotten a beat-down.
When over-powered, I take the next best option: longterm victory. Let them have the battle today. Tomorrow I will skin them.
Twisted Titan
30th April 2013, 11:32 AM
I have commited myself to avoidence, non violence and deescalation and for the greater portion of my live that has been a very sucessful stratgey.
I swallow my pride dam near daily to the point of choking as I am verbally abused or mocked by whatever sockpuppet of authority crosses my path.
I do it all because at the end of the day my life is not my own.
My life belongs to my Family and I will do whatever it takes to make sure I am there for My Clan.
But all of that goes out the window if you get in your head you can make a demand on me to Physically turn over MY CHILD.
I have been around long enough to know...... THAT YOU DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
Are you really willing to let your child out of your sight into the midsts of Strangers with no gurantee of return of safety??
Are you effing kidding me??
I dont even want to say what I would do because I dont even want to put energy on that.
All I will say is. Its not going to happen and if it does it is going to be a very expensive endeavor for a whole lot of people.
That I gurantee.
Twisted Titan
30th April 2013, 11:35 AM
Quod clausum est anima pueri intra portas inferi illigat
The breath of My Children is the lock that binds together The Gates of Hell.
ximmy
30th April 2013, 11:56 AM
Baby... Returned to parents [Fully vaccinated and immunized, ready to take it's place among fellow peasants]
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A Sacramento court has ruled for the return of a baby who had been forcefully taken from his parents by police and child protective services without a warrant on April 24, according to a Russian consulate spokesperson’s statement.
The five-month-old child had been temporarily taken from his family after his parents – a Californian couple – were involved in an argument with doctors over the course of his treatment following a medical check-up they took him to after he began exhibiting signs of flu.
Sammy Nikolaev has been in protective custody since April 24, when the police and Child Protective Services (CPS) had forced their way into the Nikolaevs’ California apartment after the family took the child from the hospital without proper discharge.
The CPS claimed the boy had suffered “severe neglect” at the hands of his parents.
“After five hours of deliberation and analysis of factualinformation presented by both sides, the judge decided to dismiss all charges against the parents”, the Russian Consul in San Francisco, Evgeny Avdoshin, told RIA Novosti.
“In line with the verdict, the baby will remain with his parents”, he added.
http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/baby-returned-to-parents-after-mix-up-over-neglect/42699
Cebu_4_2
30th April 2013, 12:02 PM
Nowhere does it say the kid was vaccinated.
Twisted Titan
30th April 2013, 12:02 PM
The Only reason this story got Face time was because of the interwebs.
This Happy Horseshit happens every fricken day.
And the best part of this.
NOT A SINGLE CPS GOON OR SHOCKER TROOPER WILL BE CALLED OUT.
They will be rewarded for there efforts at the next sucessful kidnapping.
Spectrism
30th April 2013, 12:15 PM
Be patient. Wait for opportunity and don't make costly silly mistakes.
I wouldn't be surprised if some Russian mafia take care of business discreetly.
zap
30th April 2013, 12:38 PM
The whole family is still alive so they did something right, The wife video taped the incident the husband told the wife to call 911 even while the cops were there holding him outside, so he could get it on tape, and now they will be millionaires !!
madfranks
30th April 2013, 02:02 PM
The whole family is still alive so they did something right, The wife video taped the incident the husband told the wife to call 911 even while the cops were there holding him outside, so he could get it on tape, and now they will be millionaires !!
I'd sue them for every penny I could.
FreeEnergy
30th April 2013, 09:21 PM
The Only reason this story got Face time was because of the interwebs.
This Happy Horseshit happens every fricken day.
And the best part of this.
NOT A SINGLE CPS GOON OR SHOCKER TROOPER WILL BE CALLED OUT.
They will be rewarded for there efforts at the next sucessful kidnapping.
Actually not quite.
This story is big in Russia because they are russian parents, and because right now Russia is looking for any excuse to blast USA in mass media.
Russian journalists called this one out, they broke the story, jew-doctors got scared. Baby got released back to parents.
FreeEnergy
30th April 2013, 09:27 PM
I just double-checked. Russian Consulate in San Francisco got involved, and local russian lawyers.
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