You Can Always Leave

[iOWNme]

Ahh.....The age old argument: 'You can always leave'. Statists LOVE to use this one once they have been backed into the corner of reason and logic.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fasTSY-dB-s

[palani]

Leaving is not entirely synonymous with going somewhere else. For example, Washington state and California have made it clear that you might be within the EXTERIOR boundaries of their states and yet be somewhere else (a federal zone). Presumably then being within the INTERIOR boundaries of their states mean that you are within their body politic. So leaving might be nothing more than declaring yourself to being within the very same EXTERIOR boundaries.

I am not the author of this concept. Ponzi vs Fessenden made clear the importance of 'planes'. Washington code (dealing with excise taxes) is Title 82 ... RCW 82.04.200 while California code (dealing with revenue and taxation) is 6017.


California ... Revenue and Taxation code

6017. "In this State" or "in the State" means within the exterior
limits of the State of California and includes all territory within
these limits owned by or ceded to the United States of America.

Washington

Title 82 RCW deals with EXCISE TAXES
RCW 82.04.200
"In this state," "within this state."

"In this state" or "within this state" includes all federal areas lying within the exterior boundaries of the state.

[Twisted Titan]

Very well done

[iOWNme]

Leaving is not entirely synonymous with going somewhere else. For example, Washington state and California have made it clear that you might be within the EXTERIOR boundaries of their states and yet be somewhere else (a federal zone). Presumably then being within the INTERIOR boundaries of their states mean that you are within their body politic. So leaving might be nothing more than declaring yourself to being within the very same EXTERIOR boundaries.

I am not the author of this concept. Ponzi vs Fessenden made clear the importance of 'planes'. Washington code (dealing with excise taxes) is Title 82 ... RCW 82.04.200 while California code (dealing with revenue and taxation) is 6017.


Did you even watch this video?

Why would i need to 'leave' somewhere that is a FICTION? Do the 'Politicians' 'own' the dirt i am standing on? If so, who did they buy it from?

[palani]

Did you even watch this video? You mean the cartoon?


Why would i need to 'leave' somewhere that is a FICTION? You might agree to stay and argue.


Do the 'Politicians' 'own' the dirt i am standing on? I can't speak for the position of your feet or whether you are on dirt or land.



If so, who did they buy it from? Who says a politician needs to buy anything? Most have heard of Magna Charte but few have considered the Laws of the Forest.


Of what things a Forrest doth chiefly consist.

And therefore a forrest doth chiefly consist of these foure things, that is to say, of vert, venison, particular laws and priviledges, and of certen meet officers appointed for that purpose, to the end that the same may the better be preserved and kept for a place of recreation and pastime, meete for the royall dignitie of a Prince.

Definition
1. vert ... trees
2. venison ... deer
3. laws and privileges ... statutes, licenses
4. officers

Look familiar?


For the better understanding wherof, it is to be noted, a forrest is a certen Territorie of ground, this word (Territorie) is most properly a circuit of ground, containing a libertie within it selfe, wherein divers men have land within it, and yet the same Territorie it selfe doth lie open and not inclosed, although perhaps there may be divers inclo-sures

-sures within it, for this worde Territorie, as I take it, is derived from the Latin word Territorium, which is a Territorie, or all the fields and contrey lying within the bounds and libertie of a Citie, which doth extend farre without the walles of the Citie round about, by certain meetes and boundaries, without any other inclosure belonging to the same: And, because a Forrest doth likewise lie open and not inclosed, having onely but meetes and boundaries to know the Ring and uttermost Skirtes of the forrest by, therefore this word Territorie, is used as a meete word for that purpose. The French man doth use this word Territorie in the same sense, for he doth say le Territoire d’vneville, which is, the territorie or whole circuit of land, belonging to a towne or Citie.

And whereas it is said, that a forrest is, a certen territorie of woody grounds and fruitful pastures, Thereby is declared, what manner of Territorie of ground, a forrest must be, that is to say, a Territory of woody ground, stored with great woods of coverts for the secret abode of the wild beasts, and also with fruitfull pastures for their continual feed: for, the want of either of these two, both cause the exile of the wild beastes from the forrest to some other place, for that the nature of the wilde beastes of the forrest is, to flie unto thicke coverts for places of Secresie to rest in, whereof if there were none within the forrest then they leave the forrest, and wander up and downe until they finde coverts else where, which being without the bounds of the forrest, where those wild beastes are so found wandering, then they are hunted and killed to the utter distruction of the forrest: and in like manner it is, if the wild beasts have not store of fruitful pastures within the forrest for their feed, then they pine away and starve, or else they are forced to forsake the forrest, and to seeke for foode without the forrest, where they can find the same and then

then there they are likewise hunted and killed, by which it is manifest, that a forrest cannot have continuance without woody grounds and fruitfull pasures, and so consequently it followeth, that to destroy the coverts of the forrest, is to destroy the forrest it selfe: Also, to convert the pasture grounds, meadows and feedings into arable land, is likewise to destroy the forrest.

[General of Darkness]

Interesting video. Kinda reminds me of, WHY do I pay property tax? For what?

Answer:
Property taxes fund city government (not in my interest), pay salaries of city employees(minorities - Not in my interest), fund all the municipal services the city must provide such as police, firefighters, trash collection, snow plowing, and community outreach programs (I pay for my own trash collection, don't have snow, police? Get the fuck out of here, firefighters?). Property taxes provide funds for maintenance, repair and improvement of roads (roads in socal suck), buildings (what fucking buildings? most likely jew owned), parks (fuck mestizos), municipal arenas (WTF?), community centers (I'm not a nigger), senior centers (I deal with my own parents), youth centers (more niggers and illegal beaners), civic centers (Get the fuck out again), athletic fields (niggers and beaners again), museums (holohoax centers) and shelters (good with that). Property taxes fund the public school systems (educate illegal alien kids that have a 60% dropout rate, fuck that).

So in essence EVERYFUCKINGTHING is NOT in my interest.

[iOWNme]

You mean the cartoon?

You might agree to stay and argue.

I can't speak for the position of your feet or whether you are on dirt or land.


Who says a politician needs to buy anything? Most have heard of Magna Charte but few have considered the Laws of the Forest.



Definition
1. vert ... trees
2. venison ... deer
3. laws and privileges ... statutes, licenses
4. officers

Look familiar?

Could you please leave your legal jargon to posts reserved for 7th Trump? Thanks!

Oh yeah one last question, did you watch the video?

[iOWNme]

You can always leave, right?

"The STATE would never initiate violence against a peaceful non violent individual for something as trivial as not turning in scraps of paper. The STATE will only use violence as a last resort, as a penalty for breaking the rules and resisting the proper punishment."


No matter which way you explain it, the STATE INITIATES VIOLENCE, and that is immoral and unjust. PERIOD.

There is no such thing as a 'good Government'. Funding something though the initiation of violence can not create a virtuous entity. Even if all it did was good and noble things with the stolen loot. Please stop IMAGINING that it can.

[Hypertiger]

The taxes sustain your ability to whine and cry about them.

You do not mind taxing everyone and everything to supply your demands...but do not want to supply anyone else's demands unless you are getting more out than you put in.

[iOWNme]

The taxes sustain your ability to whine and cry about them.

You do not mind taxing everyone and everything to supply your demands...but do not want to supply anyone else's demands unless you are getting more out than you put in.


So your position is "I can always leave"?


Good grief man.

[Horn]

Is it my imagination,

or do de-statists argue about what state they should be in too much?

[7th trump]

The taxes sustain your ability to whine and cry about them.

You do not mind taxing everyone and everything to supply your demands...but do not want to supply anyone else's demands unless you are getting more out than you put in.

You know HT..........I'm no fan of yours, but that says a lot of truth.
Most people don't want to chop their own trees down....and if they have to they want enough from it to retire.

Dealing with taxes ....a lot of judges will tell tax-protesters they are "gainfully" employed and sentence them to 5 to 6 years in prison for defrauding the government.
You're right!
They don't want to pay any taxes, but each and every one of them want there Social Security benefits, whether it be immediate unemployment or food stamps or deferred retire pension, which are all Social Security (public) funded.

[Norweger]

It's easy for rootless people to say that because they don't have any connection with the soil.

[Horn]

There is a division somewhere I try to figure out,

most other countries you are not permitted freely to leave from.

[Hypertiger]

Yes...The absolute capitalist exchange for mutual benefit.

Persuasion...force...annihilation

Please supply the demand for yield or be annihilated.

You all are just game players.

That is what Government is.

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."--George Washington.

"Funding something though the initiation of violence can not create a virtuous entity"...that is how absolute capitalism works.

Your lies you believe are Truth that you keep telling me to believe in are violent acts.

The civilization you are living in was built up and is sustained by kicking people in the ass and then killing them off if that does not work to motivate them to supply the demand for yield by all of you welfare cases.

and since 2008 the USA along with the world has been visibly collapsing...due to yield starvation...The demand for power by all of you from the system has become greater than the power you all supply to the system.

And you all are slowly being consumed by deflation...that is increasing exponentially over time...exponential decay taking over from exponential growth.

All and everything in and touched by the master system are slaves to it...

Everything you see in the global system is dependant upon the basic operating algorithm or the invisible order behind the visible chaos of the graphical user interface which you all believe is Truth.

At it's core is the continuous compounding interest equation.

The take more power than you give equation.

Lies believed to be Truth look virtuous in the positive phase of existence...then they turn vicious...When they reach maximum potential and begin to collapse into the negative reality phase.

Like spring up to summer followed by the fall down to winter.

The lifting of the veil on the wedding dress of the abyss to receive the sweet kiss of the apocalypse of bliss,

You do not see or are aware of the negative...you all just think think/embrace positive and ignore/reject negative.

That is how I'm able to move around...Just like the Hells angels...innocent until proven guilty...

Just think/embrace innocent ignore/reject guilty.

Just think/embrace irresponsible ignore/reject responsibility.

Just think/embrace ignorance ignore/reject knowledge algorithm.

Just think/embrace positive ignore/reject negative religion.

Entangled on threads like flies within the world wide web of lies ruled by the horror of babble on.

The domain master can banish you from the domain they are the master of as soon as you or they are supplied with a reason to annihilate you for refusal to supply the demand for yield.

Sure I will help you friend...As long as you help me twice as much back in return...But if you fail to supply my demands I will take everything you have...Just sign on the dotted line...and your dreams will come true.

The absolute capitalist progression is

Persuasion...force...annihilation.

I'm a reasonable assumption...I look virtuous...but turn vicious if you start playing games with me.

So then I have to hide from people...because everyone is following basic a program to the logical conclusion of the reasonable assumption.

The singularity is getting closer and closer.

Where you are forced awake from the daydream into the nightmare.

Like chopping down trees faster than they regrow to supply your demands for power.

you have two options.

stop before you run out of trees...and choose to accept defeat...or deflation

or

continue until you run out of trees...and are forced to accept defeat...or deflation.

A lie you believe is Truth (reasonable assumption) cannot defeat the logical conclusion of the reasonable assumption...Which is Truth of the lie you believe is Truth....revelation of the virtuous cycle as the vicious circle.

One ring to rule them all (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Circle)

Deeper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Bavaria)

Deeper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire)

Deeper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wittelsbach)

Deeper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria)

Deeper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre)

Deeper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nymphenburg_Palace)

Deeper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nymph)

Deeper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M-Nymphenburg-SteinernerSaal01.JPG)

Deeper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios)

End of the line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_(mythology))


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fShhXEl3TXg

That does not show the wave the sun is following...the magnetic lines of force of the Bloch wall that separates the two domains of the galaxy...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4V-ooITrws

[Hypertiger]

The two videos are not new information...Its been known about since before anyone alive was born.

[7th trump]

The two videos are not new information...Its been known about since before anyone alive was born.

Ht......that first video, the Russian video, is lying itself.
It states the earth doesn't rotate around the center of the galaxy....no shit Sherlock....the planets rotate around the sun.
They are speculating the sun is in orbit....they have no scientific proof the sun is in orbit...they don't even attempt to proof it is in orbit for the planets to create a vortex as they orbit around the sun.

And yes the planets do rotate on a flat plane around the sun....if they didn't the sun wouldn't set in the west and rise in the east....every day.

[Horn]

When man conquered the salt ocean he was set free for a moment, we must now conquer the plasmic and silicon oceans.

Just see the negative, and write positively. :)

Synchronated undertaker
Spiral skies
Silver ships on plasmic oceans
In disquise


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsXurnvwWgw

[Hypertiger]

So now you turn to science which is a derivative of religion like credit is a derivative of money for proof of what?

All an everything capitalizes on Truth to sustain the existence of all and everything in the Universe.

Irresponsible/ignorant capitalism takes more power than it gives from all and everything to sustain existence.

It's like chopping down trees faster than they regrow to sustain existence.

It is the path of least effort...the default or mindless path to the logical conclusion of the reasonable assumption.

Responsible/knowledgeable capitalism shares power with all and everything to sustain existence

It's like chopping down trees as fast as or slower than they regrow to sustain existence.

It is the path of most effort to the logical conclusion of which there is none.

the path of ignorance has a logical conclusion or death.

It is finite and fragile...A lie...mortal..0

The path of knowledge does not have a logical conclusion

It is infinite and indestructible...Truth...immortal...1

Of course an irrational number does not have a logical conclusion. so it is normalized or rationalized by science

Unreasonable/irrational Truth is rejected as negative

3.14159265358979323846264338327....who knows?

In favor of a reasonable/rational Lie which is positive

3.14

Science is not searching for Truth since whenever Truth is found...It is rejected as unreasonable/irrational.

All the equations are reasonable assumptions or lies you believe are Truth not Truth or a logical conclusion.

You use lies you believe are Truth to measure lies you believe are Truth to find lies you believe are Truth.

Measure twice...lie once.

You will commit suicide fighting to remain asleep (Ignorant/wrong) to continue to enjoy the daydream (positive delusion) you are awake (knowledgeable, right)

Irresponsible/ignorant capitalism takes more power than it gives from all and everything to sustain existence.

The quickest way to prove yourself right...Is to prove yourself wrong.

"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everybody (All who choose to employ absolute self indulgent reason) gets busy on the proof."--John Kenneth Galbraith

When you find yourself taking more power than you give to power the delusion you cherish.

It is the same as chopping down trees faster than they regrow to prove yourself right.

You have two options.

Choose to stop chopping down trees now before you run out...And choose to accept you are wrong (negative) and not right (positive)

or to avoid that negative fate now

Choose to continue chopping down trees until they run out later...and be forced to accept you are wrong (negative) and not right (positive)

Now which is sooner or later....You can not escape.

You will receive or be supplied with the proof you demand.

The Universe is perfectly fair, All and everything is supplied with what all and everything deserves, and there is no hope.

Only Satan hopes to defeat GOD.

I don't because I know it is Impossible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_ut_Deus%3F).

Tickling the dragon's tail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core)

But all the devout worshipers of the just think positive ignore negative religion keep telling me...There is not anything impossible if you put your mind to it...and if at first you do not succeed turning a lie into Truth...try try again.

Probability of a lie defeating Truth = 0% or absolutely NO...negative...eternal Death.

Probability of Truth defeating a lie = 100% or absolutely YES...positive...eternal Life.

Truth (constant) is the supply of power to the demand for power by lies to sustain their existence for as long as possible (variable)

[iOWNme]

Is it my imagination,

or do de-statists argue about what state they should be in too much?


There is no such thing as a 'de-statist'. There are only individuals who recognize reality for what it is. They are called 'Anarchist', and yes i am proud to say i am one.

Are you an individual who recognizes reality? Or do you IMAGINE something else into existence?

[iOWNme]

a lot of judges will tell tax-protesters they are....


There is no such thing as a 'tax protestor' anymore than there is a such thing called a 'car-jacking protestor' or a 'home invasion protestor' or a 'rape protestor'.

[iOWNme]

There is a division somewhere I try to figure out,

most other countries you are not permitted freely to leave from.


Do you even think about what you type? 'Permitted' and 'free' in the same sentence? GACK.

You can ONLY go to Canada or Mexico with no passport (by land) all other forms of transportaion have been seized. You will not get on ANY plane, train or boat leaving this country without a passport. And you have the fucking nerve to try and call that 'freedom'.

[palani]

There is no such thing as a 'tax protestor' anymore than there is a such thing called a 'car-jacking protestor' or a 'home invasion protestor' or a 'rape protestor'.
How about 'Statist'? Is there any such thing?

[7th trump]

There is no such thing as a 'tax protestor' anymore than there is a such thing called a 'car-jacking protestor' or a 'home invasion protestor' or a 'rape protestor'.

You need a time out away from this place and a break from this moral issue you are having problem with.

[Horn]

And you have the fucking nerve to try and call that 'freedom'.

And you call this 'permitted

It is more dutiful for you to preserve what freedoms are allowed to you by others states.

Then to somehow imagine that they will be compliant with your needs for certain freedoms, you don't belong to their state.

Maybe you should relocate to Romania, for its only a globalist who has aims to introduce problems with no solutions.



EU could reintroduce visa for Americans, Canadians if they don’t waive visas for Romanians, other EU citizens


European countries could reinstate visas for US and Canadian citizens should the two countries not allow free movement of Romanians.

The European Parliament on Thursday voted for a change in the EU regulation on visas, introducing a reciprocity clause which would force the US and Canada to cancel visa for Romanians, or for any other EU country.
The change in the EU regulation will come into force 24 months after being published in the EU Official Journal.
However, to enact this reciprocity mechanism involves a lengthy procedure.
Firstly, a member state, whose citizens needs visas for the US and Canada or another country outside the EU, must make a request for reciprocity.
After the mechanism starts, the third country has six months to lift visas for EU citizens.
Romania’s Foreign Affairs Ministry said in a statement that this confirms the justice of one of the principles constantly summoned by Romania, that of reciprocity.
Romania unilaterally lifted visas for Americans and Canadians in 2002.
“Considering that citizens from most EU countries get visa free access to the US and Canada, and American and Canadian citizens can travel freely all across the EU, the Foreign Affairs Ministry believes it is natural to apply an equivalent treatment to all EU citizens,” according to the Ministry’s statement.
The statement went on to say that Romania has pledged to comply with all the necessary conditions required by the American legislation, with most of them already tackled.
The main obstacle in the Visa Waiver program was reducing the refusal rate for visa requests submitted by Romanians, down to the maximum 3 percent requested by American law.
In 2011-2012, the refusal rate was of 17 percent, down from 24.8 percent in 2010.
The Ministry also noted the several law initiatives in the US to reform the Visa Waiver Program, which, if approved, would lift this ceiling to 10 percent.
In 2011, 32,000 Romanians received a temporary visa for the US, according to the ministry.


http://www.romania-insider.com/eu-could-reintroduce-visa-for-americans-canadians-if-they-dont-wave-visas-for-romanians-other-eu-citizens/106337/

[MNeagle]

Do you even think about what you type? 'Permitted' and 'free' in the same sentence? GACK.

You can ONLY go to Canada or Mexico with no passport (by land) all other forms of transportaion have been seized. You will not get on ANY plane, train or boat leaving this country without a passport. And you have the fucking nerve to try and call that 'freedom'.

And you call this 'permitted

Need passport to return to the US from both Canada & Mexico...

[palani]

Need passport to return to the US from both Canada & Mexico...
That applies to U.S. citizens only. They use this logic to scare people into applying for the benefit and they then volunteer into the political system.

[Hillbilly]

Hyperpussy and Donald Duck need to get a room instead of jacking this thread with russian outerspace videos.

[iOWNme]

How about 'Statist'? Is there any such thing?

Yes. It is someone who advocates for the initiation of violence through the STATE. Dont act as if you cant spot your own belief.

[iOWNme]

You need a time out away from this place and a break from this moral issue you are having problem with.

Why? Im not having any problem. My ideas and thoughts are 100% consistent and without contradictions. If something like stealing is wrong, i know by using reason logic and evidence that you can change what you call it using euphemisms, but it is still stealing. This is what having consistent thoughts looks like. You are Political/Lawful - I am Philosophical/Moral. You use wishful thinking and beliefs, while i rely on reason, logic and evidence. Its pretty obvious why we constantly disagree. But, the fact remains that politics and law DO NOT and CAN NOT alter what already exists: human morality.

Can you intellectually rebut what i said using reason, logic and evidence?

[iOWNme]

Maybe you should relocate to Romania, for its only a globalist who has aims to introduce problems with no solutions.


So your position is "I can always leave"?

Did you even watch the video to see just how insane irrational and contradictory that statement is?

[palani]

Yes. It is someone who advocates for the initiation of violence through the STATE. I suspect that is the government you are referring to rather than the state. But you can't detect a difference so I doubt if this will work for you.



Dont act as if you cant spot your own belief. And what do you know of my 'belief'?

[Horn]

So your position is "I can always leave"?

No, my position is your skill set will be better put to use by Romanian and E.U. Globalists.

[mamboni]

Interesting video. Kinda reminds me of, WHY do I pay property tax? For what?

Answer:
Property taxes fund city government (not in my interest), pay salaries of city employees(minorities - Not in my interest), fund all the municipal services the city must provide such as police, firefighters, trash collection, snow plowing, and community outreach programs (I pay for my own trash collection, don't have snow, police? Get the fuck out of here, firefighters?). Property taxes provide funds for maintenance, repair and improvement of roads (roads in socal suck), buildings (what fucking buildings? most likely jew owned), parks (fuck mestizos), municipal arenas (WTF?), community centers (I'm not a nigger), senior centers (I deal with my own parents), youth centers (more niggers and illegal beaners), civic centers (Get the fuck out again), athletic fields (niggers and beaners again), museums (holohoax centers) and shelters (good with that). Property taxes fund the public school systems (educate illegal alien kids that have a 60% dropout rate, fuck that).

So in essence EVERYFUCKINGTHING is NOT in my interest.

Potential post of the Year, maybe decade! Bravo!