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Twisted Titan
1st May 2013, 11:31 AM
If there is one thing that can be said about our silver community it’s that we sure take things in stride. It’s almost comical watching us, like an army, declaring victory after victory, as we get our collective noses bloodied by the cartel which has now smashed the silver price down below $25. It’s been exactly two years since the Big Smash when silver got pounded from $49.78 down to the $32-$33 range in a couple of days. You may recall that Mr. King over at KWN lined up a parade of guests who all in lock-step said they would be buyers at that level.



Moreover, after just a few days, the “bottom” was in. Victory was declared. See, look how cheap we can buy this stuff now. It’s only onward and upward from here. Um, not so fast my friend. The patient stacker could have saved himself some FRNs had he or she waited until a few weeks ago rather than a few days after the Big Smash. We keep pretending the metals are always on the cusp of rocketing upward when in fact they have been moving downwards for some time now. (I know, that’s only the paper price, we’ve really got them where we want them now in the physical department. Or so the narrative goes.)


That is why it is so agonizing to see Sinclair (0 for 2 for those keeping score at home), Sprott, Norcini, and others call the bottom so soon in gold. If the bottom in silver was miscalled two years ago by virtually everyone, and then in gold a few weeks ago (Sinclair), you would think that with everyone hanging on to your every word that you may want to exercise a little reticence this time around when calling bottoms. Nope. Not in our camp.





Victory must always be pulled out of the jaws of defeat right this minute. Remember how we heard a few years ago when silver started its move towards $50 that the shorts were “trapped?” How about when Leeb said silver would hit $100 by the end of 2011. Or when Turk said last year that as soon as we got through $35 we would get to $60-$70 in a few months. Now he is calling for a short squeeze. Does this stuff never end? There is no patience in this camp. The metals MUST start moving up NOW. After all, we own them. (Like a conclusion drawn logically from its premise.)



Thus the continuing narrative, which is reaching a crescendo as I write, is that the divergence between physical and paper is nearing its “event horizon” of which there will be no escape. This may be true. It really may be. But I have a couple of honest questions which are not meant to be a challenge to those holding to the “imminent failure to deliver” crowd which seems to be the ubiquitous position in our camp right now. First, why are the paper metal prices rebounding so vigorously if paper and physical are diverging? Second, the divergence between physical and paper was much worse in 2008. Eagles, if you could even get them, for example, were selling for over $20 when spot paper silver was $8.45. If the COMEX/LBMA didn’t default when the divergence was far more acute, then why would they default now?

Another foundation of our silver narrative is the notion that the paper price doesn’t matter.

This is accepted as gospel. I have never seen this proposition challenged so let me take a stab at this non sequitur. If the paper price doesn’t matter then why does everyone get bent out of shape when the price gets slammed? Of course the paper price matters! I am working on another project (a book) and therefore I am now only working part-time. In order to pay bills while my income is diminished I unfortunately had to sell nearly 20% of my stack about 4-6 weeks ago. I know I risk being excommunicated from this camp for admitting I had to sell.




It’s anathema to do that in our camp. (Please don’t throw holy water at me.) At any rate, do you think the paper price didn’t matter to me? Based on fundamentals I think everyone in this camp could make a good argument for physical silver being priced around $130. I had to sell because I thought silver looked weak (on the chart) and I didn’t want to get stuck selling even lower in case it crashed. It did. Until we go to a physical cash market by way of a COMEX/LBMA default, yes the paper price does matter. Unless you can wait it out. I couldn’t.




My point here is that while I agree that the metals in the long run provide the best chance to reserve purchasing power, we seem to continually underestimate TPTB’s ability to extend this fairytale economy. The constant calls for the dollar’s demise and the imminent collapse of the economy have proved wrong over and over again. The simple fact of the matter is we have to get through the entire Eurozone explosions first. The dollar will be the last to fall.



Thus, entities run to the dollar, not silver and gold until their normalcy bias does not provide safe haven. Again, contrary to popular opinion, I see this at least 2-3 years away. I know, I know, it can’t last that long. That was the same argument made 3 or 4 years ago. That’s the point.


Everything should have come apart. But guess what? It didn’t. They “fixed” it. Yes, all the markets are “fixed” now, if you get my meaning. The only thing that will stop this fairytale economy is when people, governments, banks, and other entities stop accepting paper like its money with value. Otherwise this insanity goes on and on. I made up a little saying- “Paper = power for those that are in charge.” Paper is what keeps all the global elites and their glorious banks going (with their nefarious intentions). This is why it is ill-advised to underestimate the lengths these liars and cheaters will go to hold on to their paper schemes.




I hope the COMEX/LBMA go bust. But I am not so sure that time is now. I am expecting a US debt downgrade sometime between Memorial Day (which would provide good cover) and Thanksgiving. This should give the metals a boost which ever way they are being priced. Also war, or the imminent threat of war, would likewise do the same. Of course a bust of the COMEX/LBMA would be the jackpot. I think in the long run the metal prices will move to new record highs but don’t expect them to go to the moon priced in dollars because we may not be talking about “dollars” then.


The other problem with the “shoot to the moon” assertion is that you are once again underestimating TPTB. The government will be ready, willing, and able to tax you to death on your new found gains. Something that no one seems to want to talk about.




In conclusion, we look upon the sheeple with supercilious scorn as they go about their daily lives blinded to the reality that is fairly soon to come upon all of us. Our camp knows better. We are awake. But then we should know not to underestimate the opposition. Therefore, I will not be surprised if the paper prices of gold and silver go back down – silver to $21 which is a 61.8% fib retrace of the entire move from $3.50 to $49.78, and gold I have no idea where it goes if it goes down but as long as it stays above $1285 which is a 38.1% fib retrace of the entire move from $250 to $1921 that would be very healthy in a secular bull market. Folks, gold has been up EVERY year in this latest bull market. It needs a breather O.K.? Not saying the metals necessarily will go back down, but I won’t be surprised if they do.




Keeping this in mind, I just pray for everyone in our camp along with Pete Townsend- “We don’t get fooled again.”

vacuum
1st May 2013, 04:32 PM
A lot of good points here. In my view, if you have so much in metals that you have to cash out to pay your bills, then that's too much. As long as we can afford to hold what we have for insurance, plan B, then these price drops won't kill us. After all, if the price of metals is dropping that means our dollar is stronger. Sure, it may be artificial, but we're covered both ways. Just make sure you have no outstanding debts so that deflation doesn't get you, that's the only danger.

Ponce
1st May 2013, 05:13 PM
Well, I for one don't have that much PM, only enough for my needs......there is need and then there is greed.....Saw a video today where this guy says that he has been holding for 37 years, six years more than me......glad to see that I am not the only fool around.

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Sparky
1st May 2013, 09:24 PM
Heh, this sounds like something I would have written. ;) Except I haven't sold 20% of my silver. :D

Actually, I've sold silver only one time early on in the game, just to test out the process and see how readily I could convert it back to FRNs if I needed to. I remember back on GIM asking for people to tell their sell stories so that we could learn how they were treated by dealers when it came time to cash some in.

messianicdruid
2nd May 2013, 07:38 AM
I remember back on GIM asking for people to tell their sell stories so that we could learn how they were treated by dealers when it came time to cash some in.

The first time I sold any the dealer offered me 10 cents below spot. Needless to say I was very unhappy with him.

Sparky
2nd May 2013, 09:35 AM
The first time I sold any the dealer offered me 10 cents below spot. Needless to say I was very unhappy with him.

Was that for rounds, Eagles, bars, or 90% coins? And what was spot price at the time? 10 cents below spot is different at $8 versus $30.

Unless it was Eagles, 10 cents below spot would have been reasonable up until this recent crunch, or the 2008 crunch.

messianicdruid
2nd May 2013, 10:48 AM
It was a hundred ounce bar. I got about 485 bucks for it. Wont happen again!

chad
2nd May 2013, 10:51 AM
it's good to not have 100 ounce bars. when the price is high, and you try to sell, you'll find out why.

Twisted Titan
2nd May 2013, 11:28 AM
I agree Chad

That will be a extremely risky venture

Anything over 10 oz bars will have to be assayed or you run the risk of getting snookered.

Which drives back to my long held belief there will come a day when the mercury dime commands a legendary premium

messianicdruid
2nd May 2013, 02:54 PM
I'm considering the effort of having them {100s} made into 1 ounce coins, assuming I could find a way to do it without ending up like the Silver Shield.

Serpo
2nd May 2013, 03:01 PM
I agree Chad

That will be a extremely risky venture

Anything over 10 oz bars will have to be assayed or you run the risk of getting snookered.

Which drives back to my long held belief there will come a day when the mercury dime commands a legendary premium

I have no problem with any sized bar,my bullion dealer knows me and its not a problem I foresee.

In fact I buy and sell silver numerous times and its not a problem.Silver is the bank.

Steal
2nd May 2013, 05:33 PM
I know some of you probably do not like Don. I unsubbed him couple years back, but resubbed month or so back. (something about not killing the messanger before hearing the message or maybe it was “It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it”-Aristotle) anyways........interesting vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn3kNMKcd_A