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Cebu_4_2
2nd May 2013, 10:53 PM
Where Have All The Workers Gone? (http://www.fedupusa.org/2013/05/where-have-all-the-workers-gone/) http://www.fedupusa.org/wp-content/themes/old_glory_wp_theme_lr/images/PostDateIcon.png May 2nd, 2013 | http://www.fedupusa.org/wp-content/themes/old_glory_wp_theme_lr/images/PostAuthorIcon.png Author: FedUpUSA Editor (http://www.fedupusa.org/2013/05/where-have-all-the-workers-gone/#)


Where have all the workers gone? The real truth behind the drop in the labor participation rate.
One of the common views regarding the labor participation rate declining is that many baby boomers are retiring and leaving the work force. Unfortunately many are finding that retirement is a myth (http://www.mybudget360.com/how-much-do-americans-earn-what-is-the-average-us-income/) when you are broke and many will be working deep into their later years. So when we examine the numbers we actually find a large part of our older labor force is still fully engaged in some type of work. It is interesting to look at many dynamic areas to try to ascertain why the drop in the labor force is actually occurring. Digging for that needle in the economic haystack can be a challenge. The labor force participation rate is a better indicator of how many people in our society are actually working. We already know that the drop in the unemployment rate is largely due to hundreds of thousands of Americans simply not being in the labor force anymore. Just because you sweep dust under the rug doesn’t mean it is now gone. So where have all the workers gone?

Civilian labor force participation rate
The labor force participation rate has steadily declined throughout the last decade and more steadily since the Great Recession hit:
http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.png (http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.png)
We are now at multi-decade lows when it comes to those participating in the labor force. The common Cinderella storyline behind this drop has to do with our aging population and many older Americans entering blissfully into retirement. But that presupposes that people can actually afford to retire which for most Americans (http://www.mybudget360.com/how-much-do-americans-earn-what-is-the-average-us-income/) is largely not the case. What we find is really a few big reasons why the rate has steadily fallen and none are exactly positive when it comes to the overall economy.
Case #1 – Older workers
What is fascinating when we look at the data carefully, we find that many older Americans are still working:
http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/labor-force-55-years-and-older.png (http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/labor-force-55-years-and-older.png)
This is at a peak and has actually increased steadily throughout the decade and has held steady which somewhat flies in the face of the argument that older Americans are “retiring” in droves. Sure, many baby boomers are hitting what we would call retirement age but the idea that all of these people are somehow quitting work to drink Margaritas on South Beach is one big myth. The above chart is a clear example as to what is really going on. Older Americans are going to be working deep into retirement and the new model of retirement is no retirement at all (http://www.mybudget360.com/new-model-of-retirement-no-retirement-number-of-americans-with-defined-pension-retirement-social-security/).
Read the rest at My Budget 360 (http://www.mybudget360.com/where-have-all-the-workers-gone-civilian-labor-force-participation-rate/)

milehi
2nd May 2013, 11:07 PM
I've noticed that on pseudo holidays like Martin Luther King Day and Columbus Day, ect, that the freeways are nearly empty. It's wide open. The producers are almost gone.

Cebu_4_2
2nd May 2013, 11:17 PM
The producers are almost gone.

10 years ago before I moved the route I used to drive to and from work took about an hour on the freeway. When I recently moved the freeways were not full of traffic, would cruise 85mph right on through, 15 minutes top like everyday was a holiday or something. This used to be north of of the Motor City, now a ghost town for manufacturing. Only things left were banks, billing processing centers and medical related fluff. The only areas increasing were the medical industries.

Neuro
3rd May 2013, 05:47 AM
http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.png (http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.png)

Amazing chart actually, workloss accelerated AFTER the recession was declared over!

Twisted Titan
3rd May 2013, 10:12 AM
You can ignore reality but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality

We are at the Event Horizion

chad
3rd May 2013, 10:14 AM
minimum wage need to be somewhere between $20 and $30 an hour to make it pay to get off benefits.

Shami-Amourae
3rd May 2013, 10:24 AM
You can ignore reality but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality

We are at the Event Horizion

I disagree. We can fall all the way to the levels of North Korea and people won't care or mind. Many will submit by then.

Americans are getting fatter and dumber literally every year. I think I heard that average weight for an American male is 191 lbs with an 104 IQ. They are breeding us to Idiocracy. Why do you think GMOs, chemtrails, public "schooling", water fluoridation, and so forth go on?

madfranks
3rd May 2013, 10:35 AM
The "out of the workforce" statistic is pure bullshit! People are not "retiring early" or "leaving the labor force", the government is simply telling you that this is what's happening! I personally know a couple folks who haven't worked for a couple years now, but not for lack of trying, they simply cannot find anyone to hire them. And don't say "well go get a job at mcdonalds", because they've tried, they are older folks and can't compete with teenagers at flipping burgers. If you ask them if they have retired early, or if they've stopped looking for work, they'd tell you the exact opposite, that they want a job but they just can't find one. The government is LYING, that whole statistic about people out of the labor force is simply a way for them to paper over millions of more people who are unemployed.

horseshoe3
3rd May 2013, 10:35 AM
If the average male has an IQ of 104, then the average female must have an IQ of 96. That's the only way the math can work out.

gunDriller
3rd May 2013, 11:08 AM
http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.png (http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.png)

Amazing chart actually, workloss accelerated AFTER the recession was declared over!

if we thought the job-less recovery was bad, just wait till the next recession !

Neuro
3rd May 2013, 12:35 PM
if we thought the job-less recovery was bad, just wait till the next recession !
It is not even job-less recovery, it is job-loss 'recovery', and jobs has been shed faster than during the recession. I suspect that those who do work are earning much less than they did before on average too. One of their greatest tricks have been to paint the continued recession as a recovery...

gunDriller
3rd May 2013, 01:26 PM
It is not even job-less recovery, it is job-loss 'recovery', and jobs has been shed faster than during the recession. I suspect that those who do work are earning much less than they did before on average too. One of their greatest tricks have been to paint the continued recession as a recovery...

no kidding !


i just talked to a loan officer about doing a re-fi on my mortgage.

she said interest rates had gone up today because of the 'good economic numbers'.

i expressed my opinion that the unemployment numbers are Highly Fudged.

but she wouldn't bite, didn't talk about the US gov. vs. for example, John Williams labor stats.

Ponce
3rd May 2013, 01:47 PM
Gun? what do you call this? we are in a recession......what's coming next is depression and then super depression and the TEOTWAWKI.

V

Neuro
3rd May 2013, 02:00 PM
no kidding !


i just talked to a loan officer about doing a re-fi on my mortgage.

she said interest rates had gone up today because of the 'good economic numbers'.

i expressed my opinion that the unemployment numbers are Highly Fudged.

but she wouldn't bite, didn't talk about the US gov. vs. for example, John Williams labor stats.
She doesn't get any extra rations for commenting on the command economy...