Bro Nat on IRS Scandal

[Large Sarge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JcuLB16kiDI

[aeondaze]

Bro Nate is on the ball again. You know I've been thinking a lot about this story, as most here would be well aware this in all probability goes a hell of a lot deeper.

What got me thinking was how this story has been portrayed to fit into the "left vs right" paradigm, but I couldn't see it that way, it was far too simple.

So what I wanted to know was who the big Tea Party organisations are and if they'd been wrongfully harrased by the IRS as well..and lo and behold. it turns out that wasn't the case. Zionists like the Koch brotheres and Karl Rove who run the largest of these organisations which also contributed the most to Republican campaings at the last election had not been investigated at all, even when they were the ones who'd been reported and recomended for investigation for breaching their not-for-profit status. No, it was the smaller grass roots organisations that were a little further outside the reach of the co-opted "main stream" Tea Party.

So while this is portrayed as a left vs right conflict, in actuality its a zionist vs constitutionalist conflict, where the zionist run IRS was used as a front for the "takedown/shakedown"

But of course y'all know we won't be reading about it in the MSM.

Its stuff like this that makes me realise how much the zionist jews (or joo's worlswide for that matter) in the US absolutely hate the US constitution, its like holy water in Satans eyes. Its the only reason I can see why certain small time groups were harassed to such a large degree.

The covert war continues I guess...

[mamboni]

Excellent - a must watch. This is one reason for buying silver and gold irregardless of price. When you understand what the IRS and FED are, an instrumentality for the impoverishment and enslavement of the American people and a massive money laundering scheme, then buying gold and silver is more than an act of wealth preservation. It is an act of defiance and a rejection of the banksters and their phoney unbacked carnival coupons known as federal reserve notes.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Most people do not see the connection between the Fed and the IRS. When the bankers put in the Fed, they effectively created an all-purpose installment plan for all the political pork they expected to get from the government. That freed the government from directly financing all that pork with tax money, but enabled them to indirectly finance everything with 'monthly payments', and to assure enough money was available for those monthly payments, they created the IRS to shake out as much as it could from the American slaves. Most people see nothing wrong with that because that is how they manage their own finances--based on how much of a monthly payment they can afford. Debt slaves individually, and collectively through government spending and the IRS. Thank you Bro Nate for that insight.


Hatha

[gunDriller]

So while this is portrayed as a left vs right conflict, in actuality its a zionist vs constitutionalist conflict, where the zionist run IRS was used as a front for the "takedown/shakedown"


for the Jews, all this newfangled telecom technology is just another way to exhibit what Martin Luther spoke of many centuries ago, when he wrote, "On the Jews and their Lies."

whether it's Zio-stream media, or Yahoo buying Tumblr, the Jews have a little Lying problem.


little as in Astronomical.

[jimswift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JcuLB16kiDI

[7th trump]

Most people do not see the connection between the Fed and the IRS. When the bankers put in the Fed, they effectively created an all-purpose installment plan for all the political pork they expected to get from the government. That freed the government from directly financing all that pork with tax money, but enabled them to indirectly finance everything with 'monthly payments', and to assure enough money was available for those monthly payments, they created the IRS to shake out as much as it could from the American slaves. Most people see nothing wrong with that because that is how they manage their own finances--based on how much of a monthly payment they can afford. Debt slaves individually, and collectively through government spending and the IRS. Thank you Bro Nate for that insight.


Hatha

Naw!
You have it wrong. The bankers didnt put in the fed, the US government allowed in the fed. The fed was allowed in only after a president said no.
The IRS wasnt created by the federal reserve either. The IRS was actually created, in beginning anyway under a different name, way back in the later part of the Civil War.
Americans are not slave by force as you imply......you have to have a ssn in order to earn 26usc 3121(a) "wages" in order to file a 1040 to begin with. A ssn requires your signiture and that is giving consent, not force.

Brother Nate is a from the people that belong to the synagog of satan (father of all lies).......never forget that about brother Nate................hes your lying enemy so why are you listening to a liar taking orders from satan?

[jimswift]

you have to have a ssn in order to earn

Right, you have to willfully and voluntarily ask the government for benefit.

[Horn]

Good show Bro Nate.

[mamboni]

Naw!
You have it wrong. The bankers didnt put in the fed, the US government allowed in the fed. The fed was allowed in only after a president said no.
The IRS wasnt created by the federal reserve either. The IRS was actually created, in beginning anyway under a different name, way back in the later part of the Civil War.
Americans are not slave by force as you imply......you have to have a ssn in order to earn 26usc 3121(a) "wages" in order to file a 1040 to begin with. A ssn requires your signiture and that is giving consent, not force.




You've been scannned by Palani and don't realize it.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Where did I say or imply that Americans were unwilling slaves? That's the big problem for people who value their freedom--that most of their fellow countrymen are willing, unconscious slaves.

You are right--I made an error. I said the IRS was created to make sure the slaves paid on the installment plan. What I meant to say is that the 16th amendment, which establishes the income tax was necessary to make the slaves pay interest on the national debt. But, as I have been reminded by many different people who have studied the Federal Income Tax, no one is able to actually point to a specific law that requires Americans to pay an income tax. Aaron Russo made an entire movie on this topic. Irwin Schiff went to jail for telling people thare is no law that requires them to pay income tax. So did Pete Hendrickson.

Can you point to the law that says I have to pay federal income taxes, 7th Trump?


Hatha

[jimswift]

Can you point to the law that says I have to pay federal income taxes, 7th Trump?

I'm not speaking for 7th, but I'll toss 2 cent at it.

Not sure there IS A LAW that says you have to, but rather what you have willfully done that makes you liable to.

By submitting a W4, you are agreeing to follow up with a return.

[Hatha Sunahara]

I think you're right jimswift. They trick you into it, and this could be the place. I remember reading a book called The Federal Zone by Seattle lawyer Paul Andrew Mitchell, who describes the fraud the IRS perpetrates on Americans. That book is here:

http://www.supremelaw.org/library/index.htm click on the link to it.

Also, there is another web site that embellishes and expands on what PA Mitchell says here:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fedzone.htm

Peter Hendrickson, in his book Cracking the Code has a slightly different theory about where they trick you, and specifies a form you can use to get your taxable income down to zero.


Hatha

[jimswift]

To submit a W4, you have to have a Gov # ....you know the one.

It's one of the "benefits" they offer by joining up.

[7th trump]

To submit a W4, you have to have a Gov # ....you know the one.

It's one of the "benefits" they offer by joining up.

You got it Jim. You're quick to catch on.....Social Security is the start of it all.......that is for the private sector anyway.

[7th trump]

I think you're right jimswift. They trick you into it, and this could be the place. I remember reading a book called The Federal Zone by Seattle lawyer Paul Andrew Mitchell, who describes the fraud the IRS perpetrates on Americans. That book is here:

http://www.supremelaw.org/library/index.htm click on the link to it.

Also, there is another web site that embellishes and expands on what PA Mitchell says here:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fedzone.htm

Peter Hendrickson, in his book Cracking the Code has a slightly different theory about where they trick you, and specifies a form you can use to get your taxable income down to zero.


Hatha
Hatha,
I've read CtC and was a pretty big advocate of that book until I found Pete premise is flawed.
Where Pete went wrong to say only federal employees earn 26usc 3401(a) "wages" to be imposed the tax at 26usc 3402 is found in the definition of 3401(a) "wages" itself.
3401(a) "wages" contain 3121(a) "wages" and to say only federal employees earn 3401(a) "wages" because of the definition of "employee" is actually trying to say 3121(a) "wages" are not in 3401(a) "wages".
3401(a) "wages" made a liar into Pete Hendrickson.

Have you read CtC?
If you have, I'd like to talk to you off board to explain this to you.

[7th trump]

I'm not speaking for 7th, but I'll toss 2 cent at it.

Not sure there IS A LAW that says you have to, but rather what you have willfully done that makes you liable to.

By submitting a W4, you are agreeing to follow up with a return.

By agreeing to a W4 you are agreeing to earn 3121(a) "wages" (participating in social security) which are used to tally amounts to credit the SS account.
If you earn 3121(a) "wages" then you are also earning 3401(a) "wages"....and 3401(a) "wages" are what the government defines for the purpose of imposing the federal income tax.

[7th trump]

Where did I say or imply that Americans were unwilling slaves? That's the big problem for people who value their freedom--that most of their fellow countrymen are willing, unconscious slaves.

You are right--I made an error. I said the IRS was created to make sure the slaves paid on the installment plan. What I meant to say is that the 16th amendment, which establishes the income tax was necessary to make the slaves pay interest on the national debt. But, as I have been reminded by many different people who have studied the Federal Income Tax, no one is able to actually point to a specific law that requires Americans to pay an income tax. Aaron Russo made an entire movie on this topic. Irwin Schiff went to jail for telling people thare is no law that requires them to pay income tax. So did Pete Hendrickson.

Can you point to the law that says I have to pay federal income taxes, 7th Trump?


Hatha

No, the 16th does not establish the income tax. In fact, it doesn't even give the government any new taxing powers at all.
All the 16th did was allow the government to tax unapportionately.
Paying income taxes is based earning "wages" vs. frn, treasury notes, gold, silver, horse manure, ect.

[7th trump]

Where did I say or imply that Americans were unwilling slaves? That's the big problem for people who value their freedom--that most of their fellow countrymen are willing, unconscious slaves.

You are right--I made an error. I said the IRS was created to make sure the slaves paid on the installment plan. What I meant to say is that the 16th amendment, which establishes the income tax was necessary to make the slaves pay interest on the national debt. But, as I have been reminded by many different people who have studied the Federal Income Tax, no one is able to actually point to a specific law that requires Americans to pay an income tax. Aaron Russo made an entire movie on this topic. Irwin Schiff went to jail for telling people thare is no law that requires them to pay income tax. So did Pete Hendrickson.

Can you point to the law that says I have to pay federal income taxes, 7th Trump?


Hatha

As far as the law goes yes there is a law...it wont be what you might like to see but its there.
And here it is!


26 USC § 6011 - General requirement of return, statement, or list.

(a) General rule
When required by regulations prescribed by the Secretary any person made liable for any tax imposed by this title, or with respect to the collection thereof, shall make a return or statement according to the forms and regulations prescribed by the Secretary. Every person required to make a return or statement shall include therein the information required by such forms or regulations.

Did you not get deductions from your paycheck for earning 3121(a) "wages".

[govcheetos]

To submit a W4, you have to have a Gov # ....you know the one.

It's one of the "benefits" they offer by joining up.

Revelation 13:17

[Hatha Sunahara]

Our legislators believe that the tax system is voluntary. Here:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4453210

I've seen videos of other senators and reps making the same claim. But these people also believe other nonsense relating to the War on Terror and Al Qaeda, so my confidence in their intelligence isn't as strong as it could be.

7th Trump, I read Hendrickson's Cracking the Code several years ago. I'm very reluctant to try anything I read that smacks of confrontation with the IRS. They are pulling off the greatest deception in the history of humanity, and they won't let go of it or admit to it easily.


Hatha

[monty]

7th Trump, I read Hendrickson's Cracking the Code several years ago. I'm very reluctant to try anything I read that smacks of confrontation with the IRS. They are pulling off the greatest deception in the history of humanity, and they won't let go of it or admit to it easily.

Hatha

I also read Cracking the Code several years ago. After reading it and studying the applicable tax laws I decided my earnings are not taxable. During August of 2007 I filed amended returns, 1040X, for the previous 3 years. Everything I had paid in was refunded except for the year 2004. Their argument was I had waited too long to file. If I had filed before April 15 2007 I would have received a refund for that year too.

I 2009 I received one the their forms saying I had not filed a form 1060 for my LLC and they thought I owned them money. I checked the box "I have no employees that receive taxable wages" and I also checked "Other" and wrote in the coments that my LLC is not engaged in a trade or business that is a function of a public office. I mailed the form back and have heard nothing since then.

Now when I work for a contractor who refuses to pay me if I don't sign a Form W-9 I líne out the part declaring I am a US Person and put Nevada Person since my LLC was chartered by Nevada, When I receive a Form 1099 I make a correcting Form 1099 to off set the original and mail It back with the required transmítal Form 1096.


I have not filed a Form 1040 since 2008. I only reported my Social Security income that year. I filed corrected Form 1099's for everything else.

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[jimswift]

Our legislators believe that the tax system is voluntary.

Its like double speak. It is voluntary in that you have to ASK them for a SS#.

(Like credit, you can't just give it away, it has to be requested. They have ads & make offers, but can't just give it away, you have to fill out the application and submit it.)

Same thing, they have all these great things on offer with the use of a SS#, but not until you ask for an SS5 form and submit it, are you required to have dealings with the "system".

You don't HAVE to (mandatory), hence the use of "voluntary".