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steyr_m
21st May 2013, 07:31 PM
I can read his suicide note and relate--

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A right-wing historian shot himself dead in front of hundreds of tourists at the altar of Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris today, apparently in protest at France’s legalisation of gay marriage.

Dominique Venner, who had recently been campaigning against gay marriage in France, is said to have calmly walked past the crowds milling around the 850-year-old Cathedral, one of the most popular tourist sites in the world, before taking out a Herstal automatic pistol.

The 78-year-old put the gun in his mouth and fired before collapsing on to the altar, according to French media reports.

Mr Venner, who was awarded a prestigious prize by l’Académie française for one of his historical works, was a former member of the Secret Army Organisation (OAS), the paramilitary group which fought against France giving up Algeria as a colony.

He was jailed for 18 months in La Santé Prison as a political undesirable for his role in the ultra-national organisation and was freed in 1962.

A report by Europe 1 radio station reads: ‘According to our information, he is Dominique Venner, essayist and former member of the OAS who was close to the anti-gay marriage movement.’

The Cathedral was full of visitors when the horrific incident took place, at around 4pm.

‘There was screaming and lot so shouting following a loud bang,’ said one witness. ‘People were naturally very scared and began to run out in panic.

‘Police and other emergency workers including firemen got here very quickly, and then the whole cathedral was evacuated.’

An unidentified police source said Mr Venner carried a letter on his person but made no declaration before shooting himself dead in the mid-afternoon, reports Reuters.

Notre Dame, which dates back to the 12th Century, has become a battleground for those fighting over homosexual marriage, with demonstrations regularly held around it.

Mr Venner, an ultra-right wing Catholic, was known to be extremely angry when a law allowing gay marriage across France was finally given the seal of approval earlier this month.

According to the International Business Times, Venner wrote: ‘The demonstrators of May 26 [against the law allowing gay marriage in France] will be right to shout their impatience and rage. A law steeped in infamy, once voted, can always be voided.’

Last week another male pensioner pensioner walked into the foyer of a nursery in Paris and blasted himself to death with a sawn-off shotgun in front of children.

Around a dozen pupils – some as young as five – and one teacher at the private school close to the Eiffel Tower witnessed the horrific events.

‘I thought there were terrorists who had guns and were coming into the school. Then I saw the man on the ground with a lot of blood,’ said one five-year-old witness.

Many of those who witnessed today’s carnage were expected to be treated by psychiatrists specialising in sudden trauma.

Notre Dame has seen a number of suicides in its long history, but most of them have been people who jumped from the towers.

This year the cathedral got new bells as part of celebrations marking 850 years since construction on the cathedral began.

Regularly scheduled guided visits of the world-famous gothic cathedral were taking place at the time of the incident, according to the church’s website.

[Editor's Note: For the real reasons behind Mr. Venner's suicide, see the translation of his suicide note below, reproduced from Counter-Currents. Also relevant is this translation of the final post on his website.]

I am healthy in body and mind, and I am filled with love for my wife and children. I love life and expect nothing beyond, if not the perpetuation of my race and my mind. However, in the evening of my life, facing immense dangers to my French and European homeland, I feel the duty to act as long as I still have strength. I believe it necessary to sacrifice myself to break the lethargy that plagues us. I give up what life remains to me in order to protest and to found. I chose a highly symbolic place, the Cathedral of Notre Dame de Paris, which I respect and admire: she was built by the genius of my ancestors on the site of cults still more ancient, recalling our immemorial origins.

While many men are slaves of their lives, my gesture embodies an ethic of will. I give myself over to death to awaken slumbering consciences. I rebel against fate. I protest against poisons of the soul and the desires of invasive individuals to destroy the anchors of our identity, including the family, the intimate basis of our multi-millennial civilization. While I defend the identity of all peoples in their homes, I also rebel against the crime of the replacement of our people.

The dominant discourse cannot leave behind its toxic ambiguities, and Europeans must bear the consequences. Lacking an identitarian religion to moor us, we share a common memory going back to Homer, a repository of all the values ​​on which our future rebirth will be founded once we break with the metaphysics of the unlimited, the baleful source of all modern excesses.

I apologize in advance to anyone who will suffer due to my death, first and foremost to my wife, my children, and my grandchildren, as well as my friends and followers. But once the pain and shock fade, I do not doubt that they will understand the meaning of my gesture and transcend their sorrow with pride. I hope that they shall endure together. They will find in my recent writings intimations and explanations of my actions.

JohnQPublic
21st May 2013, 07:39 PM
I assume he did not consider Christianity part of French culture- or did not understand the grave sin of suicide.

StreetsOfGold
21st May 2013, 07:54 PM
the grave sin of suicide.

Samson committed suicide and he is listed by God in the great FAITH hall of fame (Hebrews 11)

Hebrews 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

"the grave sin" in the Bible is rejecting Jesus Christ as your Saviour

Glass
21st May 2013, 08:01 PM
yes I would aks, is that a Christian doctrione or a Catholic one? because they are not the same thing.

yes aks

JohnQPublic
21st May 2013, 08:15 PM
Samson committed suicide and he is listed by God in the great FAITH hall of fame (Hebrews 11)

Hebrews 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

"the grave sin" in the Bible is rejecting Jesus Christ as your Saviour

Judas also committed suicide.

JohnQPublic
21st May 2013, 08:16 PM
yes I would aks, is that a Christian doctrione or a Catholic one? because they are not the same thing.

yes aks

That may be true. I thought it was a general Christian edict. On the other hand, France, if Christian, is largely Catholic.

vacuum
21st May 2013, 08:22 PM
Well, he was an old dude

7th trump
21st May 2013, 08:22 PM
Judas also committed suicide.

Judas was murdered!
Nobody's belly rips itself open spilling your insides on the ground by hanging yourself.
The very same ones who demanded that Jesus Christ be crucified ripped open Judas's lower torso.....they murdered him and made it look like Judas followed through with hanging himself.

JohnQPublic
21st May 2013, 08:23 PM
Here is a non-Catholic Christian view that differs:

http://tabernacle.hostcentric.com/Questions/Qsuicide.html

"...Throughout Scripture we see several examples of suicide. By my count, there are five suicides mentioned in God's Word. They are 1) King Saul, 2) Saul's armor-bearer, 3) Ahithophel, 4) King Zimri, and 5) Judas - the betrayer of Christ..."

"...In all five of the suicide cases recorded in Scripture, we have no reason to believe that any of these individuals died in the faith. In fact, these acts of suicide display a denial of faith and trust in the Lord. In each case, the men who took their own lives separated themselves from the grace of God."

More on Saul:
http://christianity.about.com/od/oldtestamentpeople/a/King-Saul.htm

"King Saul had the honor of being Israel's first king, but his life turned into a tragedy for one reason. Saul did not trust in God...."

"...King Saul was desperate, so he consulted a medium and told her to raise Samuel's spirit (http://christianity.about.com/od/whatdoesthebiblesay/a/Ghosts-In-The-Bible.htm) from the dead. Whatever appeared--a demon disguised as Samuel or Samuel's true spirit sent by God--it predicted disaster for Saul. In the battle, King Saul and the army of Israel were overrun. Saul committed suicide (http://pediatrics.about.com/od/suicide/a/808_suicide_prv.htm)..."

JohnQPublic
21st May 2013, 08:29 PM
Judas was murdered!
Nobody's belly rips itself open spilling your insides on the ground by hanging yourself.
The very same ones who demanded that Jesus Christ be crucified ripped open Judas's lower torso.....they murdered him and made it look like Judas followed through with hanging himself.

Matthew 27:3-8 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.



http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08539a.htm
"...Some modern critics lay great stress on the apparent discrepancies between this passage in the Acts and the account given by St. Matthew. For St. Peter's words taken by themselves seem to imply that Judas himself bought the field with the price of his iniquity, and that it was called "field of blood" because of his death. But St. Matthew, on the other hand, says: "Then Judas, who betrayed him, seeing that he was condemned, repenting himself, brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12406a.htm) and ancients, saying: I have sinned (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14004b.htm) in betraying innocent blood. But they said: What is that to us? Look thou to it. And casting down the pieces of silver in the temple, he departed: and went and hanged himself with an halter." After this the Evangelist goes on to tell how the priests (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12406a.htm), who scrupled to put the money in the corbona because it was the price of blood, spent it in buying the potter's field for the burial of strangers, which for this cause was called the field of blood. And in this St. Matthew sees the fulfillment of the prophecy ascribed to Jeremias (but found in Zechariah 11:12 (http://www.newadvent.org/bible/zec011.htm#vrs12)): "And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was prized, whom they prized of the children of Israel (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08193a.htm). And they gave them unto the potter's field, as the Lord appointed to me" (Matthew 27:9, 10 (http://www.newadvent.org/bible/mat027.htm#vrs9))..."

7th trump
21st May 2013, 08:39 PM
Acts 1:18

18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the middle, and all his bowels gushed out.


Your bowels don't gush out from hanging....he was helped...he was murdered.
Judas repented and he had to be silenced.

General of Darkness
21st May 2013, 08:41 PM
Suicide over faggots? Isn't that a double negative in Catholicism?

Glass
21st May 2013, 09:02 PM
Acts 1:18

18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the middle, and all his bowels gushed out.


Your bowels don't gush out from hanging....he was helped...he was murdered.
Judas repented and he had to be silenced.

an early patsy or similar?

JohnQPublic
21st May 2013, 09:37 PM
an early patsy or similar?

So say the gnostics...

JohnQPublic
21st May 2013, 09:38 PM
Acts 1:18

18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the middle, and all his bowels gushed out.


Your bowels don't gush out from hanging....he was helped...he was murdered.
Judas repented and he had to be silenced.

Did you read the paragraph I posted. I see there is an apparent conflict.

JohnQPublic
21st May 2013, 09:39 PM
Suicide over faggots? Isn't that a double negative in Catholicism?

In Christianity in general, but certainly for Catholics.

Publico
22nd May 2013, 12:28 AM
Where did the guy get a gun in France?

FWIW, after hanging the body releases whatever is in the system (no muscles action holding back a piss or dump). And 30% of men get a post-death woody.

steyr_m
22nd May 2013, 05:41 PM
Well This went in a different way than I thought it would. I thought most discussion would be about the suicide note

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I am healthy in body and mind, and I am filled with love for my wife and children. I love life and expect nothing beyond, if not the perpetuation of my race and my mind. However, in the evening of my life, facing immense dangers to my French and European homeland, I feel the duty to act as long as I still have strength. I believe it necessary to sacrifice myself to break the lethargy that plagues us. I give up what life remains to me in order to protest and to found. I chose a highly symbolic place, the Cathedral of Notre Dame de Paris, which I respect and admire: she was built by the genius of my ancestors on the site of cults still more ancient, recalling our immemorial origins.

While many men are slaves of their lives, my gesture embodies an ethic of will. I give myself over to death to awaken slumbering consciences. I rebel against fate. I protest against poisons of the soul and the desires of invasive individuals to destroy the anchors of our identity, including the family, the intimate basis of our multi-millennial civilization. While I defend the identity of all peoples in their homes, I also rebel against the crime of the replacement of our people.

The dominant discourse cannot leave behind its toxic ambiguities, and Europeans must bear the consequences. Lacking an identitarian religion to moor us, we share a common memory going back to Homer, a repository of all the values ​​on which our future rebirth will be founded once we break with the metaphysics of the unlimited, the baleful source of all modern excesses.

I apologize in advance to anyone who will suffer due to my death, first and foremost to my wife, my children, and my grandchildren, as well as my friends and followers. But once the pain and shock fade, I do not doubt that they will understand the meaning of my gesture and transcend their sorrow with pride. I hope that they shall endure together. They will find in my recent writings intimations and explanations of my actions.

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emphasis added.