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Twisted Titan
26th May 2013, 11:09 AM
A year or so ago, I became interested in preparing for a disaster, so I went to the Internet to see what other folks are doing to prepare. I was surprised to learn the number of people who have been preparing for quite some time, and also at the level of their preparations; purchasing remote properties (http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/survival-homestead/for-sale-junk-land-1000-per-acre/), building up a personal arsenal (http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/survival-guns/build-survival-arsenal-you-can-be-proud/), and buying and storing food stocks (http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/survival-food/survival-food-storage-2/) for their families.


I figured I needed to ‘get on board’ and start my own preparations. I had a lot to do and a lot to consider; food stocks, weapons and ammunition (http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/survival-guns/how-much-ammo-do-you-need/), off-the-grid living (http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/survival-homestead/hardship-of-living-off-grid/), communications (http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/this-n-that/two-way-radio-comunications-for-bug-out/), tools, skills (http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/uncategorized/skills-to-survive-end-of-world-as-we/), bug out bag (http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/survival-guns/selecting-guns-for-bug-out-bag/), get home bag (http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/uncategorized/urban-survival-kit/), maps, cash, precious metals, and much more. Whew!



I am a planning-type person, and I don’t usually do anything without careful consideration and a solid plan (http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/uncategorized/survival-tips/). I like to think through what I will do, what I might need in the way of tools (http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/survival-homestead/tools-to-consider-for-your-shtf-plan/), parts, etc., and what my desired results are before I begin a project. Like all my projects, whether they be a family vacation, changing the brakes on my car, or preparing for a disaster, I feel a need to plan.




I decided to work on my preparedness tasks in parallel. As I was building up my food stocks, I also built up my weapons and ammo stock, and continued to read and learn about preparedness and survival. When I began to tackle a bug out plan, I found the task quite difficult as I thought through the three elements of how I tackle projects:





What is the task or tasks involved?
What items and tools will I need?
What are my desired results?




Right away, I knew the answer to question three. In a bug out situation, I desired to stay alive and have the best quality of life possible for the situation. Answering questions one and two were not so easy. The planning gene in my head caused me to think about what actually is involved with pre and post “bugging out” in order to answer the first two questions. As I thought about making my plan, a sound solution to bugging out became quite murky.




There are many websites, blogs, and videos available via the Internet that provide information, ideas, and examples of bug out situations, bug out equipment, and bug out strategies, and I eagerly studied as much as a I could. I initially thought bugging out was a mighty fine idea when the SHTF. After careful consideration, though, I have concluded that bugging out should be my last resort, my “plan Z”, and only after I’ve tried every possible way to avoid it. I offer these bug out cons for your consideration:
The PlanEveryone should have a plan and equipment for bugging out for those extreme situations when your back is to the wall, or marauding gangs are torching every house on your street. If you must bug out, have a pre-planned destination, and you must get there before your supplies run out. Essential to your bug out plan is to clearly define the condition(s) that would trigger your “got to bug out” alarm.



Remember, though, you’ll be quitting your job, abandoning your house, and your bills will pile up in your overflowing mailbox and remain unpaid. When a crisis occurs, you will not have time to make a successful bug out plan, so you must make your plan now. Anyone can make a plan, but it takes careful thought and consideration to make a successful plan.
Quality of LifeThe notion of bugging out is quite simple; grab your stuff and go. However, after bugging out and arriving “somewhere”, then what? What will you do and what will be your quality of life? When you are at home, all your equipment, food stocks, weapons, and gear are basically within easy reach.



If you have prepared and planned well, you can stay indoors for quite some time and enjoy a high quality of life. You can continue to sleep in your bed, have a bathroom down the hall, and even keep up with current events and what’s happening in your neighborhood.



The act of bugging out brings on its own set of potentially dangerous problems that you will have to deal with and suffer through “on the fly.” In all of my Internet travels, I have yet to see a bug out bag that was stocked and equipped as well my home. Bug out bags usually provide basic survival-type equipment and rations for up to 7 days.



The prospect that my situation would become that much more precarious after my rations ran out is none too appealing. Can I really depend upon hunting, fishing, and berry scavenging?
Land MinesYou are much safer in your own home in most situations. With adequate planning and supplies, you can hunker down and survive through chemical and even biological gas clouds. You can still call the police who might be able to assist you. You and your neighbors might band together to improve your collective security. Think long and hard before you engage in bugging out.


On your way to your pre-determined bug out destination, you need to avoid being ambushed, injured, robbed, or worse. You will not know who is friend or foe, and you must remain as inconspicuous and “normal” as possible.


I think it is unwise to assume you can and will homestead in the forest, hunting and fishing like Daniel Boone until “someone” gives an “all clear” and you can return home. You will not be the only person in the forest, and any food that is available will quickly be hunted or scared away. Your forest will soon be overrun with survivalist who claim hunting territories, and battles will ensue. Gangs will form and if you’re a loner, you will not survive.


Under such conditions, it would be nearly impossible for you to rest or sleep. You’d have to be on your guard 24/7. You couldn’t leave your camp to hunt or fish for fear of coming back to nothing, or a pack of squatters who have taken over your camp and everything you depend upon.


If you knew or sensed that others were in your forest, having a camp fire would be a bad idea because it would give away your location. How would you stay warm, or cook your kill? What if someone off in the distance sees smoke and calls 911 to report a forest fire? What about the winter cold or the summer mosquitos?


What would you do? Remember, you took only your bug out bag which did not have a sleeping bag or multi-season clothing. Sure, you have your big bowie-knife, your .22 rifle, and your length of para cord, but what about those other hundred items you need now that are back home?
Remote HideawayIf you are one of the fortunate individuals who has some land in a remote location that you have already set up to be your bugged out location, great! The difficult task for you is to know when to bug out and before the crisis or disaster occurs.

Timing will be critical. Bugging out after the crisis only increases your chances that you’ll be stuck in gridlock traffic, apprehended, robbed, or again, even worse.


Predicting when and where a disaster or crisis will occur is anyone’s guess. If you guess wrong, then you would have bugged out for nothing, and increased your chances of coming home to a looted and ransacked house.
Abort! Abort!If you decide to return home, your immediate task would be to navigate your way through or around newly formed gangs and other non-friendlies you might encounter. If you bugged out with your get home bag, it is safe to say that any food you had in your get home bag would have already been eaten a long time ago.



You might arrive home only to find that your house has been looted, and all the food, gear, weapons, and supplies you didn’t take with you when you bugged out are gone. Your windows are broken, your electronics have disappeared, and you quickly discover thieves stole all the copper wires and pipes in your house, along with your refrigerator.



We all know that thieves are not a considerate lot. Since they took your copper pipes and left the water turned on, your house is now flooded, and your water bill is over $1,000. To add insult to injury, every thread of clothing, shoes, tools, and anything of any value that you had is now gone. Was it bugging out or going home that was the wrong decision?
ConclusionI am unable to convince myself that I, after being so dependent upon grocery stores, utilities on demand, and sound shelter for decades, could just set up camp in the forest for an unknown length of time with only a bug out bag. You know, I am not the MacGyver type.


What do you think is “bugging out” a better plan than “bugging in”?


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midnight rambler
26th May 2013, 11:25 AM
IMO, one should be permanently based in a retreat where one intends to ride out the storm. 'Bugging out' is inferior to 'bugging in' and always will be.

Ponce
26th May 2013, 11:52 AM
Well buddy, I been getting ready for the past 13 years and the first thing that I did was to move to my "bug-out, bug-in" place in the hills of Oregon.......besides the no tax no expeses I move here because the wind blows inland from the ocean (gas attack), I am sourande by hill and mountains (nuke attack), and there is no reason for any kind of attack in this area (but for Ponce.

I was lucky in that I did have the money (key word, money) to get read for the right and for the left and because this will be my last resting place what is to come will be another adventure and nothing to be afraid off.

Your plans should be in consideration of where you are at right now, if you live in a large city then BUG OU, BUG OUT, BUG OUT........small town then bug in but remember that the zombies will be coming out from everywhere.......and specially from the big city who were late in bugging out.

If you are planning in bugging out then plan a PRE-BUG OUT, by this I mean to say, plan where you want to go and try to talk so someone in that place........take equipment and food and burry it along the way in case that you loose what you will be bugging out with.

If you are bugging out with a truck the get yourself a small trailer and except for gasoline have it pack and ready to go 24/7
but for some extra gas.

A lot more that I could say.......but.......I don't want to bored you.

V

midnight rambler
26th May 2013, 11:54 AM
I don't think you're boring us Ponce.

madfranks
26th May 2013, 12:33 PM
IMO, one should be permanently based in a retreat where one intends to ride out the storm. 'Bugging out' is inferior to 'bugging in' and always will be.

I agree with you that "bugging in" is far superior, but for some of us it's harder to obtain than others. A little while back I found a great piece of land in the mountains, cheap, and was looking into options for buying the land and building my own permanent retreat, but when it came down to it, we simply could not afford it. I could do something much smaller, and I considered buying a mobile home or trailer to park on the land, but that's no place to raise a family. For now, I'm not in a place where I think we could be self sufficient, but we're working towards it. In the meantime, we prep the best we can.

My hat's off to <SLV> back in 2009, he moved his family to a retreat that he built with his own hands (I was his architect) and as far as I know has been there ever since.

Ponce
26th May 2013, 02:57 PM
Well Franks, you should at leat buy the land so that you can have a place in the future, at least a place to move in a movile home.......remember that in what is to come is a matter of SURVIVAL and not of comfort......a empty place out of danger is better than no place at all.

V

Ponce
26th May 2013, 05:14 PM
OK, if live if a big city how are you going to "surfive", come on now, no one knows where you are at... tells us your plans in living in a dead zone.

V

General of Darkness
26th May 2013, 05:37 PM
I like the bug in option because in a SHTF situation women like these would do anything for just a can a beans.:D

http://tractioncontrol.well-regulatedmilitia.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/hotblonde.jpg

Shami-Amourae
26th May 2013, 06:00 PM
Only Bug Out if you can't Bug In. Bugging In is the better option, and not discussed more readily.

Neuro
26th May 2013, 06:43 PM
I like the bug in option because in a SHTF situation women like these would do anything for just a can a beans.:D

http://tractioncontrol.well-regulatedmilitia.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/hotblonde.jpg
Good thinking! How do you plan on getting in touch with them?

Ponce
26th May 2013, 07:18 PM
OK city duelers, what is going to happen is going to last for GENERATIONS and not for one, five ,ten or twenty years.....get the hell out of the city and make plans with someone out in the country.

General? I'll give her two cans of beans and a package of hot dogs......thanks for the picture.

V

General of Darkness
26th May 2013, 07:56 PM
Good thinking! How do you plan on getting in touch with them?

Tomatoes.

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/data/549/medium/5508861015.jpg

Ponce
26th May 2013, 08:58 PM
General? stop sneaking into my home to take pictures of my cook......... shes a very good cook, I would hate to loose her.

V

still afloat
26th May 2013, 09:23 PM
Note to self : BUY CASE OF BEANS TOMORROW!!
I like the bug in option because in a SHTF situation women like these would do anything for just a can a beans.:D

http://tractioncontrol.well-regulatedmilitia.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/hotblonde.jpg

Mouse
27th May 2013, 12:03 AM
you could have her now for some fake promises and blow. Why waste your beans?

Neuro
27th May 2013, 05:03 AM
Tomatoes.

There is more where this came from baby!
http://thepilot.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2010/07/20/Tomato_Man_t620.jpg?fbf2daa044e08a86b24c9c38cd7501 865a0e2373

Son-of-Liberty
27th May 2013, 07:53 AM
I think the author left out some options.

A primary home in a desirable area is far better then a bug out location. A bug out can still have it's uses though.

If a bug out is within 2-3 hours of where you live then if you see a potential shit storm coming you could use a couple sick days or personal days and head to the bug out. If it turns out to not be as bad as you thought you can head back home and pick up where you left off. If however it turns out real ugly you will be glad you got out before the rush.

IF you are so deep in metro-land that 2-3 hours drive doesn't get you to safety then I would say a move is mandatory. Which brings us to another option.

Moving to a better location even if it isn't optimal. We all want the 20+ acres deep in the mountains fully set up and stocked but if that isn't feasible then moving out of the city, even if you are still near it and your job is still an improvement in the situation.

I had to compromise and currently am renting 10 acres with house 30 minutes out of the city until we can get our own land (hopefully this year).

The property I am on now doesn't cost any more then rent or a mortgage in the city would (less actually) and already had a garden, canning shed, pond, woods and good neighbors. Last night my better half and I spent an hour canoeing the pond just to relax. Deer and Moose come in our yard often and there are beavers, ducks and geese in the pond that could provide food if neccessary. Water is from a well, we have back up power to keep it and the furnace running. Local farmers can provide eggs and meat, we buy farm eggs weekly already so have some relationships with farmers already. It is a far superior situation to city living and we can both still work in the city.

The landlord lives next door and while he could potentially kick us out in SHTF I doubt he would choose to. We have a good relationship and in SHTF would provide additional food and security for his young family.

I would encourage people to try and upgrade their situation. Even if it isn't exactly what you want it could still be a big improvement.

gunDriller
27th May 2013, 11:18 AM
Tomatoes.

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/data/549/medium/5508861015.jpg

dang ! she has Serena Williams buns ! ... or maybe it's the angle of the shot ?

i wonder if she can crack walnuts too ? :)

General of Darkness
27th May 2013, 11:30 AM
dang ! she has Serena Williams buns ! ... or maybe it's the angle of the shot ?

i wonder if she can crack walnuts too ? :)

BTW based on the narrow counter top and gas pipes I'm guessing she's Eastern European so she's not related to Serena Williams.