Cops are stupid - LAPD Caught In Intense Armed Standoff With Call of Duty statue

[Ares]

Los Angeles Police stormed video game company Robotoki headquarters Last Friday night in what turned into an armed standoff with a life-sized Call of Duty statue.

http://intellihub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/call-of-duty-statue-lapd-300x168.jpeg

After an unknown employee hit the ‘panic’ button within the office that immediately alerts police, LAPD entered the game developer’s studio around 7 PM and detained the studio head before centering in on the life-sized Call of Duty ‘Ghost’ statue. Based on a special forces character from the game, the statue can be seen above wearing military-grade equipment and wielding an assault rifle. Visible from outside the offices, the police spotted the realistic statue from outside and assumed they were facing a hostage/terror situation.

Studio head Robert Bowling told Polygon:

“I was in my office when they arrived and saw them coming up our stairs, guns drawn… They yelled for me to put my hands up and walk towards them slowly, then took me into custody and out of the studio until they cleared the rest of the rooms and floors.”

In turn, they entered the building armed with rifles and in anticipation of a potential fire fight. Less than a half hour into the standoff between the Ghost statue and police, they realized that they were in fact having an armed stand still with an inanimate object — a realization that came before they decided to blast the perceived intruder.


As it turns out, the police really had no idea what they were truly responding to. And while it was originally reported that the panic button had been activated by a third party as a prank, or even an employee who thought that the statue was a terrorist, apparently someone simply hit it without truly knowing its purpose.

“You see on a security camera, them looking at this panic button, looking around, discussing it, then pressing it and looking around to see what happens. And nothing happened right away,” said Bowling.


http://intellihub.com/2013/06/03/lapd-caught-in-intense-armed-standoff-with-call-of-duty-video-game-statue/

[gunDriller]

if the cops had to forfeit their salary every time they do something idiotic, they'd do a lot fewer idiotic things.

[Ares]

Their losees are taxpayers losses, you know that. Take cops who beat, murder, rape, molest or wrongfully arrest people. They don't get sued, the department gets sued. The locality ends up footing the bill for the multimillion dollar settlement. I think it's time we privatize law enforcement. Public sector enforcement really isn't working in our favor.

[osoab]

Their losees are taxpayers losses, you know that. Take cops who beat, murder, rape, molest or wrongfully arrest people. They don't get sued, the department gets sued. The locality ends up footing the bill for the multimillion dollar settlement. I think it's time we privatize law enforcement. Public sector enforcement really isn't working in our favor.


No, I would say that the liability has to be forced back to the doughnut munchers. We would also need to take away the military hardware or allow the proles to have the same stuff no questions asked. Level the playing field.



If we allow private contractors, we just get mercenaries like Blackwater/Xe operating and monopolizing the extortion racket.

[Ares]

If we allow private contractors, we just get mercenaries like Blackwater/Xe operating and monopolizing the extortion racket.

Yes and no, I believe they would be more accountable. You could sue the individual who wronged you and the company the city used would be hit with the damages, not the taxpayer. There would be an incentive not to use these types of tactics at the enforcement level or risk losing the business or being outright replaced by another company.

[Glass]

As it turns out, the police really had no idea what they were truly responding to. And while it was originally reported that the panic button had been activated by a third party as a prank, or even an employee who thought that the statue was a terrorist, apparently someone simply hit it without truly knowing its purpose.

“You see on a security camera, them looking at this panic button, looking around, discussing it, then pressing it and looking around to see what happens. And nothing happened right away,” said Bowling.

Ah panic buttons. I can tell you they work. And yes, they don't work right away so you might be surprised when they do.

[Twisted Titan]

Haahhahahahahahaahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahahahah aahahahahahaahahahahaahhhaahhahaahhahah.


O. T. B. W. T. B.

[Serpo]

if there where thousands of these it would send the cops bonkers.....oh too late...

http://intellihub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/call-of-duty-statue-lapd.jpeg

[madfranks]

I think it's time we privatize law enforcement.

This, +1. If law enforcement firms were run like private companies, where losses were born by the company and upsetting your customers resulted in loss of business, these things would turn around 180 degrees. Cops' jobs would depend on them being courteous to their customers instead of harassing them and lording power over them.

[madfranks]

if there where thousands of these it would send the cops bonkers.....oh too late...



Give a bored unemployed man a 3D printer and a few months and he could make lots of these.

[iOWNme]

If we allow private contractors, we just get mercenaries like Blackwater/Xe operating and monopolizing the extortion racket.


This is a LIE. Im not bashing you personally, but this is a repeating meme amongst people who calim they want freedom, but still want a mommy and daddy figure to decide right fromt wrong for them.

If there were 'private contractors' they WOULD NEVER be viewed as 'Authority', and the moment they started to act like criminals they would be viewed as such. But when 'Government' does it, most people are under mind control where they imagine a class of humans that has super-human rights that mere mortal men do not have. This form of mind control twists and contorts their own logic and blinds them from the atrocities the perceived 'authority' has committed. Where if it were just a 'private' party, MOST people would not let them act like criminal thugs and get away with it. They would view it as immoral and act accordingly.

Back on topic - Most of these Cops probably go home and play Call of Duty (after they beat their dogs and masturbate of course) so it was probably very similiar to the virtual world for them. "Im calling in a package!"

[Hitch]

This, +1. If law enforcement firms were run like private companies, where losses were born by the company and upsetting your customers resulted in loss of business, these things would turn around 180 degrees. Cops' jobs would depend on them being courteous to their customers instead of harassing them and lording power over them.

Who's the customer though? Who would 'pay the bill' with private LE? Right now, every citizen within a cop's dept is the customer. If you call the cops, they show up. You are the customer. If you report a maniac with a gun drawn, they will show up with guns drawn prepared for the worst. I bet while folks laugh, these cops were relieved that is was only a statue. Looks pretty real to me, if I saw it and didn't know.

Two important points many here never seem to really get:

1) When people call the cops for help, they HAVE to show up. They have no choice.
2) Cops never know what to expect. You would not believe half the crazy shit I've personally seen in my short stint. If you expect to see something, that is when you die from the unexpected.

[madfranks]

Who's the customer though? Who would 'pay the bill' with private LE? Right now, every citizen within a cop's dept is the customer. If you call the cops, they show up. You are the customer. If you report a maniac with a gun drawn, they will show up with guns drawn prepared for the worst. I bet while folks laugh, these cops were relieved that is was only a statue. Looks pretty real to me, if I saw it and didn't know.

Two important points many here never seem to really get:

1) When people call the cops for help, they HAVE to show up. They have no choice.
2) Cops never know what to expect. You would not believe half the crazy shit I've personally seen in my short stint. If you expect to see something, that is when you die from the unexpected.

Why don't you study how private security works today? It's not a dream, real private security firms exist and provide protection where cops can't or won't go. One would take out a police protection policy much like an insurance policy where if you were in trouble and needed help, you'd call your company's emergency line and get help. What's so hard to understand about that? To respond to your concerns:

1) If I have a contract with them, they have an obligation to show up, they "have to show up" as you put it.
2) There are lots of dangerous jobs where many people don't know what to expect. Police officers don't even have one of the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the country. (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-of-the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-u-s--191643548.html) Loggers, miners, and steel workers have jobs much more dangerous than cops, but you never hear about fallen "hero" steel workers or loggers complete with parades and news coverage when one of them die.

[madfranks]

If there were 'private contractors' they WOULD NEVER be viewed as 'Authority', and the moment they started to act like criminals they would be viewed as such. But when 'Government' does it, most people are under mind control where they imagine a class of humans that has super-human rights that mere mortal men do not have.

Not to derail the thread, but this is spot on, it's more correct than even most of us here recognize. Most people simply will not recognize the legitimacy of any given person, group or industry without the blessing of the government. Why is mamboni a doctor? Why am I an architect? Is it because he and I are masters of our professions and can professionally carry out our duties with high standards of care? NO! It's because the state gave him a license and gave me a license, that's why. It's crazy, but people wouldn't recognize his or my skill outside the government blessing!

I was recently at a hearing discussing our stupid state legislature which had passed a new law requiring the state licensing of community (HOA) managers. I had a discussion with a guy who ran a private association of HOA managers whereby members of his group were required to remain in good standing with the association to maintain their membership with the group. If you needed a good and honest manager for your HOA you would hire someone who shared membership with this group. But most people simply could not mentally comprehend the fact that a private association can regulate commercial activity BETTER than government. The problem was, that people failed to recognize the legitimacy of his group, after all, he wasn't an officer of the state, but when the state steps in and some bureaucrats who have never managed anything in their lives give the state approved stamp and agree to control/license their managers, all of a sudden people think this is great and much needed. The overwhelming majority of people at this hearing thought that the state controlling/licensing property managers was such a good idea. It makes me insane!

[Hitch]

Why don't you study how private security works today? It's not a dream, real private security firms exist and provide protection where cops can't or won't go. One would take out a police protection policy much like an insurance policy where if you were in trouble and needed help, you'd call your company's emergency line and get help. What's so hard to understand about that? To respond to your concerns:

1) If I have a contract with them, they have an obligation to show up, they "have to show up" as you put it.
2) There are lots of dangerous jobs where many people don't know what to expect. Police officers don't even have one of the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the country. (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-of-the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-u-s--191643548.html) Loggers, miners, and steel workers have jobs much more dangerous than cops, but you never hear about fallen "hero" steel workers or loggers complete with parades and news coverage when one of them die.

Police officers are sworn to uphold the constitution, to protect and serve the public, regardless of race or socio economic backgrounds. All citizens are equal.

Private LE I think when there's profits behind it, leads to more corruption.

BTW, I really like the "top 10 dangerous jobs" argument. That is best left to arm chair desk jockeys. My current job, which isn't even listed, ranks higher than most that list, and a cop on the beat in a bad area is probably on par with a warzone dangerwise.

[Cebu_4_2]

Police officers are sworn to uphold the constitution, to protect and serve the public, regardless of race or socio economic backgrounds. All citizens are equal.

Ok, why don't they?

[Spectrism]

So...... have the cops stood down yet?

They can hire me as a negotiator and I will guarantee no shots fired if the police keep their fingers off the triggers and no rounds are chambered. I can speak many negotiating languages including on-line gaming, massive first-person-shooter and home individual FPS dialects. My fee will be like the IRS "training" seminar fees. I will have this wrapped up in less than 2 weeks.

[Hitch]

Ok, why don't they?

They do, for the most part. This forum just posts the bad cops, maybe 1 in a 1000. It's the bad ones that get all the attention, the good ones are never noticed.

Another valid point....the public (YOU) never notice when a cop does his job right.

[Cebu_4_2]

They do, for the most part. This forum just posts the bad cops, maybe 1 in a 1000. It's the bad ones that get all the attention, the good ones are never noticed.

Another valid point....the public (YOU) never notice when a cop does his job right.

I call complete bullshit! I agree your statement might be true 20 years ago but no not so much. My ex retired sheriff neighbor told me he is afraid of the "new generation cops". If you think your statement is true today you're in a fucking fantasy world man. I have personally experienced the younger than me PIGS go overboard on every occasion I have met their presence.

You even said that you quit because you didn't like the way shit was trained or something, having second thoughts etc. Help me here, I dont bookmark everything like some on this forum.

[Cebu_4_2]

Your statement is also true for the 50+ year old sheriff/trooper/police. Most (6/10) are good people that I would stand with. The rest... not so much.

[Hitch]

You even said that you quit because you didn't like the way shit was trained or something, having second thoughts etc. Help me here, I dont bookmark everything like some on this forum.

I'm glad you don't bookmark everything on this forum. It tells me, you are a normal real person.

I've never posted why I quit.

I really think there's an agenda going on here, to post everything any hammerhead cop does wrong, and install fear into the public for police.

Just like those checkpoints going on, to get folks used to martial law? You keep focusing on the bad cops, you see them more and more....then you think they are ALL that way. That's how we lose our fucking rights. Everytime. Each BS school shooting and "assault weapons" or demonized.

They want us desensitized. They want good cops demonized. Am I the only asshole who sees this trend?

They want us used to our rights being taken away, little by little. The temp of the waters keeps going up.

They want folks to focus on the BAD cops. Get used to them, heck bring on Nazi Germany. We will all be ready for it. Heck folks will probably welcome it, just like they did in Weimer Germany.

[osoab]

This is a LIE. Im not bashing you personally, but this is a repeating meme amongst people who calim they want freedom, but still want a mommy and daddy figure to decide right fromt wrong for them.

If there were 'private contractors' they WOULD NEVER be viewed as 'Authority', and the moment they started to act like criminals they would be viewed as such. But when 'Government' does it, most people are under mind control where they imagine a class of humans that has super-human rights that mere mortal men do not have. This form of mind control twists and contorts their own logic and blinds them from the atrocities the perceived 'authority' has committed. Where if it were just a 'private' party, MOST people would not let them act like criminal thugs and get away with it. They would view it as immoral and act accordingly.

Back on topic - Most of these Cops probably go home and play Call of Duty (after they beat their dogs and masturbate of course) so it was probably very similiar to the virtual world for them. "Im calling in a package!"

I don't see how it is a lie, if it is my own personal opinion.

We will give the private leo's legitimacy by hiring them. Sheeple will view them as the authority. It's just what sheeple do. They want someone in control for them.

We will be electing our representatives cronies who will be doling out the contracts to these private leo companies. After living in ILLinois, I don't see anyway corruption, skimming, and bribing doesn't occur under this scenario.

I also see it as an easy way for the banks/large corps to take over. You could start off with 2000 private leo companies. By the end of 20 years they will have been bought out and merged into just a few large conglomerates. WackenHut anyone?

Like I said above, either give the proles the hardware the fuzz gets or pull the fun toys away from the fuzz. Even the odds and make the fuzz personally liable for their actions while on the job.

[Cebu_4_2]

I just drank some kool aid so I'm good now... carry on.

[Hitch]

I just drank some kool aid so I'm good now... carry on.

WTF. I took the time to address your post, and you respond with this.

There's no "carry on", it is you being a fucking coward who will not address the points I've made.

Either you have no argument, no point, or you do have a point. If you have a point, post it. It seems you don't.

[Cebu_4_2]

WTF. I took the time to address your post, and you respond with this.

There's no "carry on", it is you being a fucking coward who will not address the points I've made.

Either you have no argument, no point, or you do have a point. If you have a point, post it. It seems you don't.


Dont be a duche I did address it in the post above: I call complete bullshit! I agree your statement might be true 20 years ago but no not so much. My ex retired sheriff neighbor told me he is afraid of the "new generation cops". If you think your statement is true today you're in a fucking fantasy world man. I have personally experienced the younger than me PIGS go overboard on every occasion I have met their presence.

You truly couldn't be a neighbor I would stand behind. C'mon I'm a little man bring me to the thunderdome or in person, I am actually a nice guy that you will underestimate. As I lived my life... BRING IT ONN BIG MAN. 'cept this time you leave your bullshit weapons in your car, lets rumble, man to man... I never lost yet. BRING IT PIG

[Cebu_4_2]

Wow is this real? lol

[osoab]

You truly couldn't be a neighbor I would stand behind. C'mon I'm a little man bring me to the thunderdome or in person, I am actually a nice guy that you will underestimate. As I lived my life... BRING IT ONN BIG MAN. 'cept this time you leave your bullshit weapons in your car, lets rumble, man to man... I never lost yet. BRING IT PIG

Solid, wtf? What's up with the internet threats/challenges?

[Hitch]

Solid, wtf? What's up with the internet threats/challenges?

I am sick of the BS. This guy picked a fight....I answered. I don't see the big deal.

Look, I don't give a shit. If someone picks a fight with me on this forum, I will answer them. That's it.

[Hitch]

You truly couldn't be a neighbor I would stand behind. C'mon I'm a little man bring me to the thunderdome or in person, I am actually a nice guy that you will underestimate. As I lived my life... BRING IT ONN BIG MAN. 'cept this time you leave your bullshit weapons in your car, lets rumble, man to man... I never lost yet. BRING IT PIG

Cebu, I know you ARE a decent guy.

I am trying to make a point. A POINT nobody seems keen on listening too.

My Point: Attack the coward cops behind your keyboard. That is your one focus, that's it. That makes you a victim, bottom line.

[Publico]

Their losees are taxpayers losses, you know that. Take cops who beat, murder, rape, molest or wrongfully arrest people. They don't get sued, the department gets sued. The locality ends up footing the bill for the multimillion dollar settlement. I think it's time we privatize law enforcement. Public sector enforcement really isn't working in our favor.


Yes and no, I believe they would be more accountable. You could sue the individual who wronged you and the company the city used would be hit with the damages, not the taxpayer. There would be an incentive not to use these types of tactics at the enforcement level or risk losing the business or being outright replaced by another company.

When a cop is sued in his personal capacity then the cop pays out of his pocket the expense of the lawyer and settlement/judgment. However, when a cop is sued both in his personal and official capacity then the city (or whoever) gets to foot the bill.

[Ares]

When a cop is sued in his personal capacity then the cop pays out of his pocket the expense of the lawyer and settlement/judgment. However, when a cop is sued both in his personal and official capacity then the city (or whoever) gets to foot the bill.

Which is partly the problem. People (read the lawyers representing them) are greedy and will go after the department for a bigger payday. It works the same for a Private company. This individual is a representative of the company (public servant) he works for correct? Then he as well as the company should be held liable. Company has too many payouts for bad conduct on some if it's hired hands, it goes under, or can't get bonded to stay in business either way it vanishes. Public sector cops, not so much. Taxpayers foot the bill and the cop who did wrong gets paid administrative leave... :-/

[Cebu_4_2]

Cebu, I know you ARE a decent guy.

I am trying to make a point. A POINT nobody seems keen on listening too.

My Point: Attack the coward cops behind your keyboard. That is your one focus, that's it. That makes you a victim, bottom line.

Solid you are missing it cause you are the coward PIG that SUPPORTs PIGS doing what they do these days. In my response I said cops of old days, police and peace officers not the PIGS that you are and the PIGS you support. There is a big difference sir and I will one on one take you for what you want at any time. Little I may be but my promise for rightiousness will be long forgotten when you are lying with the filth you support.

Good night young man and I do pray you see the promise land someday... preferably after you see what a little man can do.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQvUBf5l7Vw

[Jewboo]

Wow is this real? lol



https://lh3.ggpht.com/_YDzbAhE8QMA/TEH_EehZgYI/AAAAAAAAAGE/_lY2zUt6gnA/s1600/DUI-Cop-Damen-Badnell-Crash.jpg

[Hitch]

Good night young man and I do pray you see the promise land someday... preferably after you see what a little man can do.
]

LOL, I'm just an average dude. You bastards slapped a badge on me, and said "hey Solid, fix the world!"

I drank the juice. I'm just tellin' you folks how it is...if you don't listen, you don't listen. That's OK. Don't come crying to me when it falls apart though..

Cheers! Free beer on my boat, for all of you's...

[madfranks]

I'm not going to say all cops are bad, but I will say this. I've never, ever, been helped by a cop. But I have been threatened, detained, harassed, blackmailed, lied to, stolen from, and assaulted by many cops during my lifetime.

Most people, due to their brainwashing, after being victimized by a cop will legitimize it in their minds, that they did something wrong to deserve that punishment and the cops are the good guys. But I will not rationalize abuse directed at me that way.

[mick silver]

all cops an ex cops are jack boots

[Hitch]

Most people, due to their brainwashing, after being victimized by a cop will legitimize it in their minds, that they did something wrong to deserve that punishment and the cops are the good guys. But I will not rationalize abuse directed at me that way.

I see things differently, I will admit.

When I got hired, I wasn't thinking about anything but my duty as such. A lot of responsibility, and that was my focus. This forum I see a lot of threads on cop abuse. I didn't see anything of that. I upholded my constitutional oath. Any man who would like to challenge my oath, step into the ring, man up and let's settle this...

That being said, it greatly bothers me, the view, on LE. In general, from our society.

I'd like to ask a question. For the men, sworn in, what CAN they DO, to earn you folks's respect?

How can LE make it right, so to speak?

[Hitch]

I'd like to see a good argument to my question...

Not some trolling candy ass pussy response from a lot of you assholes on this site.

Magnes, fuck off. This is a real discussion where men are trying to learn....we don't need any babies like you clogging up a good discussion.

While I'm at it, luckystrike has a forum for all you dickheads. Post there and spare us your BS. We thank you in advance.

[Hitch]

all cops an ex cops are jack boots

Cops are sworn to uphold our constitution.

You are pissing on our constitution with your post here Mick. All of you are.

There's a few bad apples, but don't sent men into battle then stab them in the back, because of your agenda.

[Jewboo]

...ex cops are jack boots...



http://ebooks.imarketingbiz.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Oct2010_Anger_Cover1.jpg

http://justlinda.net/blog/wpcontent/uploads/2010/11/kid-cop.jpg

Even pre-cops...lol.

http://www.gtaforums.com/html//emoticons/anuj_cop.gif

[Horn]

I really think there's an agenda going on here, to post everything any hammerhead cop does wrong, and install fear into the public for police.

Its either that, or they're waiting to see what type of handle you'll pick next time.

[iOWNme]

Who's the customer though?

God damn you have a warped and twisted view of reality. People are robbed of their labor under threat of DEATH to pay for hired thugs to steal even more of their money. NOTHING about this transaction is VOLUNTARY. And you call the victim of this the 'customer'? FUCK YOU.

[iOWNme]

I don't see how it is a lie, if it is my own personal opinion.

Was your opinion formed by reading LIES or by using rationality, logic and reason?


We will give the private leo's legitimacy by hiring them. Sheeple will view them as the authority. It's just what sheeple do. They want someone in control for them.

NO. People have been thoroughly indocturnated for the first 20+ years of their lives to view A SINGLE 'Authority' as their virtue. This is not even remotely close to the same thing as people being brought up in a society with free choice as to who they associate with, socially and legally. 'Government' NEVER 'asks' for your voluntary participation. It FORCES you to comply using violence. NOT even close to the same thing.


We will be electing our representatives cronies who will be doling out the contracts to these private leo companies. After living in ILLinois, I don't see anyway corruption, skimming, and bribing doesn't occur under this scenario.

It WILL still occur, and this is another common false meme. How much corruption, skimming and bribing do you think individuals are capable of WITHOUT the use of 'Government'? Read my sig...

The only difference being that people WILL NOT view them as a 'legitimate' agency the moment they start using proactive offensive violence against non-violent people. It is a simple fact.


I also see it as an easy way for the banks/large corps to take over. You could start off with 2000 private leo companies. By the end of 20 years they will have been bought out and merged into just a few large conglomerates. WackenHut anyone?

Im repeating myself here. IT WOULDNT MATTER because i would not be FORCED under threat of DEATH to deal with any of them. Have you actually read anarchist philosophy? All of this is basic stuff: NOBODY would view these companies as a 'legitimate' power over people. They will be viewed as the violent criminals that they are and will face resistance.

Do you think these 'private contractors' would be able to kill close to 300 million people and still be viewed as 'Authority'?

[horseshoe3]

I'd like to ask a question. For the men, sworn in, what CAN they DO, to earn you folks's respect?

How can LE make it right, so to speak?


For starters, they can let their hair grow to about 1-4" long. And they can go back to wearing uniform shirts and slacks instead of tight T shirts and tactical pants. In short, they should look like public servants and serious professionals instead of roided out, arrogant, paramilitary thugs. These are only appearance issues, but it would definitely change the public perception and besides, a man tends to behave the way he is dressed.

[horseshoe3]

I'd like to see a good argument to my question...

Not some trolling candy ass pussy response from a lot of you assholes on this site.

Magnes, fuck off. This is a real discussion where men are trying to learn....we don't need any babies like you clogging up a good discussion.

While I'm at it, luckystrike has a forum for all you dickheads. Post there and spare us your BS. We thank you in advance.

Come on man. I don't like it when Magnes attacks you out of the blue, and you shouldn't be calling him out like this either. The forum has been fairly peaceful the last couple weeks, and you ought to let sleeping dogs lie. I'd think you'd have had enough of him and be content to leave him alone when he's not attacking you.

[EE_]

For starters, they can let their hair grow to about 1-4" long. And they can go back to wearing uniform shirts and slacks instead of tight T shirts and tactical pants. In short, they should look like public servants and serious professionals instead of roided out, arrogant, paramilitary thugs. These are only appearance issues, but it would definitely change the public perception and besides, a man tends to behave the way he is dressed.

It's been reported that 25% of police are using steroids.
Steroids should be strictly prohibited in LE. Any officer caught using should be permanently dismissed from the force.
In a profession where a people have power over other people lives and serious decisions must be made on a daily basis regarding lives of citizens and fellow officers, heightened aggressive behavior could understandably affect these decisions.

I could care less about steroid use in sports.
Funny how it's considered criminal and reason for suspension there, and not in law enforcement.

[Dogman]

It's been reported that 25% of police are using steroids.
Steroids should be strictly prohibited in LE. Any officer caught using should be permanently dismissed from the force.
In a profession where a people have power over other people lives and serious decisions must be made on a daily basis regarding lives of citizens and fellow officers, heightened aggressive behavior could understandably affect these decisions.

I could care less about steroid use in sports.
Funny how it's considered criminal and reason for suspension there, and not in law enforcement.

I would tend to agree with you on the steroids, I have watched my local cops over the last 40 or so years. Once they came in all sizes and shapes, now they all look like bull mastiff's. There are no skinny cops here and have not had any in the last 10 years or so, they are all bulked up now.

[Hitch]

I would tend to agree with you on the steroids, I have watched my local cops over the last 40 or so years. Once they came in all sizes and shapes, now they all look like bull mastiff's. There are no skinny cops here and have not had any in the last 10 years or so, they are all bulked up now.

I thought the stereotype was fat donut eaters. I've seen my share of fat cop pictures posted on this very forum.

I never saw any drug use, but it is likely the new guys are exposed to that. I do know most of us lost a lot of weight in academy.

[Hitch]

God damn you have a warped and twisted view of reality. People are robbed of their labor under threat of DEATH to pay for hired thugs to steal even more of their money. NOTHING about this transaction is VOLUNTARY. And you call the victim of this the 'customer'? FUCK YOU.

Suppose for a minute that the transaction was voluntary. Years ago, some fire dept were like this. You paid them directly, for a plaque you hang on your front door. Have the plaque, they put out the fire. Don't pay, don't have the plaque, they stand there and watch your house burn.

Suppose they did this for police work. You had to actually be their "customer" for them to help you. If a cop on patrol sees a burglar breaking into a house, no plaque on the door, he watches the house get burglarized.

What do you think about that solution, Sui?

[Jewboo]

It's been reported that 25% of police are using steroids.



https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1219/528132492_77667045c4.jpg

They probably also go on internet forums and constantly threat violence. Must be the Roids...lol.

http://www.emoticons.gr/albums/uploads/glassy/muscle_boy.gif

[gunDriller]

It's been reported that 25% of police are using steroids.

that would explain a LOT.

steroids are a very powerful mind-altering substance. makes people extra-aggressive, etc.

it should be 100% banned for all law enforcement.

i wonder how many ultimate fighters take it ?

[Hitch]

Come on man. I don't like it when Magnes attacks you out of the blue, and you shouldn't be calling him out like this either. The forum has been fairly peaceful the last couple weeks, and you ought to let sleeping dogs lie. I'd think you'd have had enough of him and be content to leave him alone when he's not attacking you.

You are correct. Sadly, I only post on this forum when I feel like fighting, for the most part. My fists come up instantly in preparation for a magnes attack.

It is off topic and does not help the thread, for that I apologize.

[Hitch]

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1219/528132492_77667045c4.jpg

They probably also go on internet forums and constantly threat violence. Must be the Roids...lol.

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Magnes is MIA, but a pansy like yourself will do.

First off, no need to take roids to handle a pussy like yourself.

[iOWNme]

Suppose for a minute that the transaction was voluntary. Years ago, some fire dept were like this. You paid them directly, for a plaque you hang on your front door. Have the plaque, they put out the fire. Don't pay, don't have the plaque, they stand there and watch your house burn.

Suppose they did this for police work. You had to actually be their "customer" for them to help you. If a cop on patrol sees a burglar breaking into a house, no plaque on the door, he watches the house get burglarized.

What do you think about that solution, Sui?

So im supposed to answer your questions when you constantly dodge mine? Fine...

The scenario you described is the only moral way people can interact. So yes i agree that if people do not want to be 'protected' they can choose not to. Which means if they try and sue later they have NO STANDING and no court should touch it.

Can you please go back and HONESTLY answer my questions?

[iOWNme]

Magnes is MIA, but a pansy like yourself will do.

First off, no need to take roids to handle a pussy like yourself.


Do you ALWAYS resort to violence when you have been defeated on reason, logic and rationality? Most Cops do this exact same thing. You also seem to resort to violence when someones WORDS offend you. Another trait of State Mercanaries.....

Hitcher can you answer this simple question: Do you think Cops have the Right to do ANYTHING that a citizen is restricted from doing?

[Jewboo]

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ps504c0983.jpg

Anger Management Class

:) oh...and latent homosexuality...lol.

[Santa]

Hitcher,
You say LE officers have sworn to uphold the Constitution. Ok...And so have all the Politico's and Legislators that the LE works under.
Cebu asked why they don't uphold the Constitution. Fair question.

LE officers uphold the myriad laws of a jurisdiction, in theory anyway, that's why they're called "LAW ENFORCERS... but if they actually upheld the Constitution,
they would be called CE's (Constitution Enforcers) which I might actually stand behind...but they aren't. If LE actually upheld the Constitution they would be tazing and dragging
every one of their superiors off to jail for disregarding the Constitution in the first place by creating and implementing all the UN-Constitutional "LAWS" that impinge upon individual liberties.

LE, as well as the Military, is Socialist at its root. And it's GROWING into a megalithic problem.

[Hitch]

Do you ALWAYS resort to violence when you have been defeated on reason, logic and rationality? Most Cops do this exact same thing. You also seem to resort to violence when someones WORDS offend you. Another trait of State Mercanaries.....

Hitcher can you answer this simple question: Do you think Cops have the Right to do ANYTHING that a citizen is restricted from doing?



I have answered this question many times on this forum...

Cops must abide by the same laws they are sworn to enforce. 99% of them do, everyone here posts the 1% and think it aplies to all.

[iOWNme]

I have answered this question many times on this forum...

Cops must abide by the same laws they are sworn to enforce. 99% of them do, everyone here posts the 1% and think it aplies to all.

YOU HAVE NEVER ANSWERED THIS QUESTION. You duck and dodge it like all State Mercanaries.

First off i am an anarchist, so you and your 'Law' have no bearing WHATSOEVER on morals. Do you understand that?

-It was the 'Law' to enslave black people in the 1800's. Was it okay because it was 'Lawful'?
-It was the 'Law' for the NAZI's to kill poeple they deemed 'undesireables'. Was that okay because it was 'Lawful'?
-It was the 'Law' for the Chinese Red Communist Army to extinguish 60 million souls. Was that okay because it was 'Lawful'?
-It was the 'Law' for Chritians to be murdered by the Roman Empire. Was that okay because it was 'Law'?
- (i could name ever single atrocity in the history of the human race) - Were all of those okay because they were 'Lawful' as well?


I didnt ask you if they follow the Law, i asked you if YOU PERSONALLY think that Cops have the Right to do things that individual people do not have the Right to do?

It is a Yes or No question. Can you actually take on the responsiblity of being a human being and make this decision on your own? Or do you need to rely on 'Politicians scribbles' (sometimes called 'Law') in order to figure out Right from Wrong?

[Horn]

If LE actually upheld the Constitution they would be tazing and dragging every one of their superiors off to jail for disregarding the Constitution in the first place by creating and implementing all the UN-Constitutional "LAWS" that impinge upon individual liberties.

Game, Set, Match, Kringle.

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[madfranks]

This thread has some good discussion going on, let's keep it going without the personal attacks and the calling out of other members.

[Horn]

This thread has some good discussion going on, let's keep it going without the personal attacks and the calling out of other members.

Friggin cops...

[Santa]

Here's a new bill that I'm sure LE will be chomping at the bit to enforce.


http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/new_yor...-a-cop-a-crime

ALBANY, N.Y. (WIVB) - A bill currently making its way through the State Legislature would make it a crime to annoy a police officer, a move that could have far reaching consequences.

The State Senate passed the bill Wednesday that makes it felony to "harass, annoy, or threaten a police officer while on duty." The bill was sponsored by local Senators Pat Gallivan, George Maziarz and Michael Ranzenhofer, as well as Senator Joe Griffo (R) of Rome.

Griffo stated, "Police officers who risk their lives every day in our cities and on our highways deserve every possible protection, and those who treat them with disrespect, harass them and create situations that can lead to injuries deserve to pay a price for their actions."

Anyone found guilty under the bill, should it become law, could face up to four years in prison.

The bill is now on its way to the State Assembly.

[osoab]

Was your opinion formed by reading LIES or by using rationality, logic and reason?


Nice, just using rationality chief. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. You get turf wars with gangs, that has always happened whatever flavor you want to describe. Why would you think that hired fuzz that are installed because their company got the highest bid wouldn't do things to keep themselves in power?



NO. People have been thoroughly indocturnated for the first 20+ years of their lives to view A SINGLE 'Authority' as their virtue. This is not even remotely close to the same thing as people being brought up in a society with free choice as to who they associate with, socially and legally. 'Government' NEVER 'asks' for your voluntary participation. It FORCES you to comply using violence. NOT even close to the same thing.

I see this differently. Throughout history, the proles have sucked it for some other hierarchical society. They have helped to perpetuate their own servitude.




It WILL still occur, and this is another common false meme. How much corruption, skimming and bribing do you think individuals are capable of WITHOUT the use of 'Government'? Read my sig...

The only difference being that people WILL NOT view them as a 'legitimate' agency the moment they start using proactive offensive violence against non-violent people. It is a simple fact.

I don't see that as a fact. If it was, the proles of Iraq and Afghanistan would have never allowed Blackwater/Xe to operate in their country. Once a toehold is established, the big toe will come down on heads to stay on top.

The time frame before the antitrust laws comes to mind. Once they were enacted, that's when big business started using .gov like a cheap whore for their gains. Not saying that .gov wasn't their whore, but .gov wasn't rode hard and put away wet like she was after.



Im repeating myself here. IT WOULDNT MATTER because i would not be FORCED under threat of DEATH to deal with any of them.

That's the first anyone has brought that concept up in the thread. I wouldn't agree with blanket death penalty either. Are you saying a hired cop that sucker punches a "suspect" would just be executed? Are you executing a mayor of a town that has the hired popo ticket his neighbor for an unsightly yard? I know these are absurd generalities, but you get my drift. What's your line in the sand for death? Who becomes judge, jury, and executioner?



Have you actually read anarchist philosophy? All of this is basic stuff: NOBODY would view these companies as a 'legitimate' power over people. They will be viewed as the violent criminals that they are and will face resistance.

To answer your question, no I have not read any anarchist philosophy.


Do you think these 'private contractors' would be able to kill close to 300 million people and still be viewed as 'Authority'?

Who's killed 300 million? What did the soviets do when Uncle Jew Joe was slaughtering? They hid and hoped they weren't next. I believe it is a natural reaction by the extreme majority.


I really think you need to think hard about what it will take to completely deprogram 3-4 generations that have bombarded since youth with the mantra that any authority over you is righteous. Honestly, I see it as something that is natural in the vast majority. The proles just want to be led. They will go with the flow until a better flow goes along.

[mick silver]

why do you alway call people names when you cannot answer them . ? huh ex pigman

[Horn]

The major contribution to humanity by the Police is a separation of care from itself.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGSPUOaHYn4

[Hitch]

why do you alway call people names when you cannot answer them . ? huh ex pigman

I did answer them. Nobody listens. Including you mick. People just want to hear what can further their agenda.

I aint popular, on this forum. But i do post what i believe is truth.

[iOWNme]

Nice, just using rationality chief. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. You get turf wars with gangs, that has always happened whatever flavor you want to describe. Why would you think that hired fuzz that are installed because their company got the highest bid wouldn't do things to keep themselves in power?

I didnt mean to offend you. It seems your not understanding. GANGS will always be treated as CRIMINALS. Nobody pays the bloods and crips for protection - and feels morally justified in doing so - The way they do with 'Government'.

If you got your car jacked from you, would you proclaim "I am a proud car jacking victim". Of course not. Yet people utter phrases like "Im a Law abiding citizen" or "Im a Law abiding Tax Payer". In PRINCIPLE these are the exact same thing as saying "Im a proud car jacking victim". Without the false belief in 'Authority' the veil of Nationalism is lifted to reveal its true intentions: To ENSLAVE YOUR MIND. Most slaves never view themselves as slaves. Its called 'Stockholm Syndrome'. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome)



I see this differently. Throughout history, the proles have sucked it for some other hierarchical society. They have helped to perpetuate their own servitude.


I totally agree. But it is the fundamental 'belief' that there is a LEGITIMATE ruling class that has allowed this to happen.




I don't see that as a fact. If it was, the proles of Iraq and Afghanistan would have never allowed Blackwater/Xe to operate in their country. Once a toehold is established, the big toe will come down on heads to stay on top.

They didnt allow them to. They showed resistance the entire time. Any country that sees FOREIGN invaders will always resist. Mostly because they 'imagine' their ruling class is better than the invading. This clever Prussian idea is the basis for all 'Patriotism'.



The time frame before the antitrust laws comes to mind. Once they were enacted, that's when big business started using .gov like a cheap whore for their gains. Not saying that .gov wasn't their whore, but .gov wasn't rode hard and put away wet like she was after.


What you are describing is 'Government Monopoly'. This would NEVER be allowed without the idea that there is a 'Legitimate' ruling class. There is no 'Big Business' WITHOUT 'Government'. Without a way to restrict access to markets, no business conquers the world, because of the amount of COMPETITION they would face from a truly free society.




That's the first anyone has brought that concept up in the thread. I wouldn't agree with blanket death penalty either. Are you saying a hired cop that sucker punches a "suspect" would just be executed? Are you executing a mayor of a town that has the hired popo ticket his neighbor for an unsightly yard? I know these are absurd generalities, but you get my drift. What's your line in the sand for death? Who becomes judge, jury, and executioner?

YOU DO. Can you take on the responsibility of actually being a human being? YOU must decide right from wrong and act accordingly. What would YOU DO in these situations? Your entire statement rests on the assumption that without 'Government' (Santa Clause) nobody would know how to do ANYTHING. This is a provable false assumption.

In my own opinion, if i saw a man trying to steal money from another man because his yard was a mess, i would view the person initiating violence as the aggressor and i would act accordingly. I would be willing to use any level of defensive force it took to help a man not be violently attacked and stolen from. What would YOU do?




To answer your question, no I have not read any anarchist philosophy.

At least you were honest. Experiments like the Milgram Experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment) and The Standford Prison Experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment) and both showed the underlying truth about 'Authority'. This is not my opinion, this is a demonstrable fact. Also research the Prussian Indocturnation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system) system.




Who's killed 300 million? What did the soviets do when Uncle Jew Joe was slaughtering? They hid and hoped they weren't next. I believe it is a natural reaction by the extreme majority.

The good natured and well meaning brainwashed masses who have 'followed orders' instead of following their own conscience. Its called Democide. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide) Do you honestly think that without the belief in 'Government' that individual criminals would be able to slaughter close to 300 million people, AND STILL BE VIEWED AS LEGITIMATE?



I really think you need to think hard about what it will take to completely deprogram 3-4 generations that have bombarded since youth with the mantra that any authority over you is righteous. Honestly, I see it as something that is natural in the vast majority. The proles just want to be led. They will go with the flow until a better flow goes along.

It is absolutely NOT natural. Are humans the top species? Then how are some humans above others? I'll tell you how: MIND CONTROL. People actually 'imagine' the obligation to 'obey' their Masters, but to fight off other Masters. It is a clever idea that has absolutely RUINED civilization and humanity in general.

[Horn]

I did answer them. Nobody listens. Including you mick. People just want to hear what can further their agenda.

I aint popular, on this forum. But i do post what i believe is the truth.

This is where it is correct application to use form of "the truth" in a sentence, not truth on its own.

Horn's lesson of the day.

http://blog.philipjoel.com/files/2006/08/Yodapencil2.jpg

[Spectrism]

I haven't gotten the call to negotiate a peaceful surrender from the armed terrorist yet. Are the cops still surrounding the place?

[gunDriller]

I haven't gotten the call to negotiate a peaceful surrender from the armed terrorist yet. Are the cops still surrounding the place?

cops have trouble admitting they made a mistake.

they probably moved on, but left one guy behind to watch the statue. in case it moves. :)


can't help but wonder though ... 200 pounds of bronze, $2.25 per pound. $450 worth of metal.