Glass Bottom Tankards

[palani]

When a press gang was active they would scout the bars and buy prospective seamen drinks. These drinks would be served in pewter tankards with no glass in the bottom. When the new seaman tilted up the tankard he would find a shilling in the bottom as consideration for his new contract and he would then be taken to his new ship and sail the world.

Later people for patriotic reasons would accept the king's shilling to join military service the same way. The recruiter would place a shilling in a glass bottom pewter tankard and the recruit would drink up. The glass was placed there so he stood a chance of seeing the bottom of the glass and know what was in store for him. Otherwise a claim of fraud could be lodged as he would have no way of seeing what was in the bottom of the glass.

Back around 10 years ago people detected microprint that appeared to be a signature line on personal checks. The microprint repeated the phrase 'AUTHORIZED SIGNATURE' in print so fine it looked like a continuous line. Once it was detected word of this little deception was spread far and wide and used to construct a STRAWMAN theory as to how the financial world operated even though they might claim that the microprint was merely a security feature that prevented copying of checks.

For about the last 4-5 years this deception has had the fraud removed by a notice at the end of the line: "MP" is printed there. This is supposed to let the informed person know that MICROPRINT is there. The MP is the glass being placed in the bottom of the pewter tankard.

You have been informed.

[madfranks]

Palini's right, check your personal checks, the signature line is microprint.


Back around 10 years ago people detected microprint that appeared to be a signature line on personal checks. The microprint repeated the phrase 'AUTHORIZED SIGNATURE' in print so fine it looked like a continuous line. Once it was detected word of this little deception was spread far and wide and used to construct a STRAWMAN theory as to how the financial world operated

So what's the real reason for the microprint then?

[palani]

So what's the real reason for the microprint then?

It could be a security feature but if this were the case MERRY CHRISTMAS is as good a phrase as AUTHORIZED SIGNATURE. A better answer might be found in contract law with the AUTHORIZED SIGNATURE being an offer and your signature would be the acceptance. The statute of fraud requires a signature for an agreement to exceed a certain dollar value ($500 or $1000). The statute of fraud may now only be found in the Uniform Commercial Code.

Any time you disburse a signature you are engaging in a contract. You might create an account at a bank, deposit some money and never use it again and never have a problem with the agreement. But then after 10 years or so you might argue some statute of limitation and that your signature has expired and you are no longer obligated to perform the contract you agreed to. However, with your signature on each check you renew the agreement every time you sign the check.

[7th trump]

Palini's right, check your personal checks, the signature line is microprint.



So what's the real reason for the microprint then?

He doesnt really know, but I'll speculate he'll say its a contract to pay taxes for using frn's.......thats the conspirative consenses anyway.
But heres the problem with palani's theory that frns are the cause of paying federal income taxes.
Frn's have basically been around since 1913. Very little Americans were required to file and pay federal income taxes even back then.
It wasnt until 1940 did you see a doubling of filed 1040 income taxes from the private sector. So theres 27 years that Palani nor anbody else who follows this frn theory can explain.

My take on the line is since thats were you sign the check to endorse why not have it microprinted "authorized signiture". It means nothing other than sign your name here.
Its cosmetics.

[7th trump]

It could be a security feature but if this were the case MERRY CHRISTMAS is as good a phrase as AUTHORIZED SIGNATURE. A better answer might be found in contract law with the AUTHORIZED SIGNATURE being an offer and your signature would be the acceptance. The statute of fraud requires a signature for an agreement to exceed a certain dollar value ($500 or $1000). The statute of fraud may now only be found in the Uniform Commercial Code.

Any time you disburse a signature you are engaging in a contract. You might create an account at a bank, deposit some money and never use it again and never have a problem with the agreement. But then after 10 years or so you might argue some statute of limitation and that your signature has expired and you are no longer obligated to perform the contract you agreed to. However, with your signature on each check you renew the agreement every time you sign the check.

Hmmmm........."contract"........"authorize".
What does signing a check authorize palani?
In other words what is the purpose of the check vs. bringing a wheel barrel of cash to someone you just bought something from?
Think about it palani.......its not a contract.....your authorizing someone to draw from your account to satisfy a debt without you being there at the bank to pull the money out yourself and exchanging it over.


Your imagination has no boundaries!
Wow.....do you ever stop drinking the cool-aid?

[palani]

its not a contract.....your authorizing someone to draw from your account to satisfy a debt without you being there at the bank to pull the money out yourself and exchanging it over.

EVERYTHING is contract. Your signature is not even required for there to be a contract. There need be no writing at all for there to be a contract.



Your imagination has no boundaries! You have yet to learn how to use yours.

[palani]

Used to be your check would come back to you. Not long ago the banks started keeping these checks and all YOU could have was a copy.

Now think about that. The microprint will not copy. It doesn't show up on any scan. If YOU get the original check back then how is this going to prove or disprove anything? The bank MUST keep the original for the microprint agreement to be of any value to them.

IMHO the banks were getting prepared to enforce their contracts many years ago. Why it is almost as if they KNEW what turn the economy was going to take.

How is THAT for imagination?

[Ares]

Frn's have basically been around since 1913. Very little Americans were required to file and pay federal income taxes even back then.
It wasnt until 1940 did you see a doubling of filed 1040 income taxes from the private sector. So theres 27 years that Palani nor anbody else who follows this frn theory can explain.

You have that backwards. That was a question asked of you during your social security is the crux argument. Palini asked where was the social security link to income taxes before there was a social security administration? I do know from my research that you only needed to file income taxes if you made more than 600 dollars a year. In 1913 that was a lot of money, and hardly anyone earned anywhere near that at that time. It was the "tax the rich" scheme that socialist / communist like to harp on and on about. When the rate of inflation reached the point of individuals needing to earn more, they were required to pay income taxes. 600 dollars in 1913 is equivalent to $14,092.79 today. The government even put out a nice little tool to calculate the wealth stolen from you due to inflation. Just select the year and value.

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

Like it or not, the Grace Commission reported that 98% of all income taxes collected go to pay just the interest on the Federal Reserve debt. Income taxes are a fee for the currencies use. With your argument, I should still be paying income taxes, because I never changed anything that has to deal with my social security. The IRS agreed with my redemption of lawful money and paid back my income taxes, but I still owed for social security, and I did pay. I know of people redeeming lawful money since the late 90's who have never been harassed by the IRS. So there is something to the redemption process whether you want to view the evidence or not. I just know what I see, and how the government responds tells me there is something to the process.

Now for your social security argument, there's also something to that as it's obviously written into the social security act, and the tax code. I'd say to cover our asses we use both processes. What would it hurt? You're making it abundantly clear that you want nothing from this government. You don't want to use their currency, and you certainly do not want to use their social slavery system that is rife with corruption and abuse. I'm all for multiple disconnections from this leviathan.

Try to be civil and see that there is more than one way to slay this monster.

[JohnQPublic]

EVERYTHING is contract. Your signature is not even required for there to be a contract. There need be no writing at all for there to be a contract...

There is also no contract without your conscious consent. Imprinting unreadable contractual language is not a contract.

[Ares]

There is also no contract without your conscious consent. Imprinting unreadable contractual language is not a contract.

True, from my understanding of law even the marriage license is a contract. It's a contract between you, your husband / wife and the state. They never detail the terms of said contract or that your children is the contract bearing fruit and are property of the state. I can't remember the individual case, but it took place in Massoftwoshits (not miss spelled :) ) of all places. And the defendant asked the judge what gives the state the right to determine how my child is educated? The judge shot back and said your marriage license.

[Hatha Sunahara]

I thought the microprint on the signature line on a check was to make you liable for your Strawman's contracts. If you look at the name printed on your check, it is in ALL CAPS. If you sign your name in Caps and small letters, it could be construed as not valid for your strawman account. So, the banks put the 'authorized signature' in the line below your signature to remove all doubt that you are acting as your strawman.


Hatha

[madfranks]

I thought the microprint on the signature line on a check was to make you liable for your Strawman's contracts. If you look at the name printed on your check, it is in ALL CAPS. If you sign your name in Caps and small letters, it could be construed as not valid for your strawman account. So, the banks put the 'authorized signature' in the line below your signature to remove all doubt that you are acting as your strawman.


Hatha

The name on my checks are capital letters for the first letter of my first and last name, lowercase for the rest of the characters.

[palani]

There is also no contract without your conscious consent. Imprinting unreadable contractual language is not a contract.

Wasn't it Bork in his bid for supreme court justice that stated "there is no one in prison who did not volunteer to be there"? Each prisoner engaged in a contract somewhere along the line and agreed to the penitence assigned them. Sort of like a SIN OFFERING.

However if you ask any prisoner I am sure they will tell you that they are not there voluntarily. They have no sense of engaging in contract behavior.

Perhaps that is the problem?

[palani]

The name on my checks are capital letters for the first letter of my first and last name, lowercase for the rest of the characters.

Bet if you look at the paperwork they send you by the mail that the envelope will be addressed to the ALL CAPS being. When you open it you are admitting to being that entity.

[palani]

I thought the microprint on the signature line on a check was to make you liable for your Strawman's contracts

Hatha

I did suggest the strawman approach but then that is merely idem sonans. Here are a number of cases from Bouviers that would need to be checked out to follow this up completely


IDEM SONANS. Sounding the same.

2. In pleadings, when a name which it is material to state, is wrongly spelled, yet if it be idem sonans with that proved, it is sufficient, as Segrave for Seagrave, 2 Str. R. 889; Keen for Keene, Thach. Cr. Cas. 67; Deadema for Diadema, 2 Ired. 346; Hutson for Hudson, 7 Miss. R. 142; Coonrad for Conrad, 8 Miss. R. 291. See 5 Pike, 72; 6 Ala. R. 679; vide also Russ. & Ry. 412; 2 Taunt. R. 401, In the following cases the variances there mentioned were declared to be fatal. Russ. & Ry. 351; 10 East, R. 83; 5 Taunt. R. 14; 1 Baldw. R. 83; 2 Crom. & M. 189; 6 Price, R. 2; 1 Chit. R. 659; 13 E. C. L. R. 194. See, generally, 8 Chit. Pr. 231, 2; 4 T. R. 611; 3 B. & P. 559; 1 Stark. R. 47; 2 Stark. R. 29; 3 Camp. R. 29; 6 M. & S. 45; 2 N. H. Rep. 557; 7 S. & R. 479; 3 Caines, 219; 1 Wash. C. C. R. 285; 4 Cowen, 148 and the article Name.

[7th trump]

Used to be your check would come back to you. Not long ago the banks started keeping these checks and all YOU could have was a copy.

Now think about that. The microprint will not copy. It doesn't show up on any scan. If YOU get the original check back then how is this going to prove or disprove anything? The bank MUST keep the original for the microprint agreement to be of any value to them.

IMHO the banks were getting prepared to enforce their contracts many years ago. Why it is almost as if they KNEW what turn the economy was going to take.

How is THAT for imagination?

Oh so now a copy of the check is somehow legally not the same huh....hahahahahahahah!

[7th trump]

Wasn't it Bork in his bid for supreme court justice that stated "there is no one in prison who did not volunteer to be there"? Each prisoner engaged in a contract somewhere along the line and agreed to the penitence assigned them. Sort of like a SIN OFFERING.

However if you ask any prisoner I am sure they will tell you that they are not there voluntarily. They have no sense of engaging in contract behavior.

Perhaps that is the problem?

Yep a politicians words are a source of palani's conspiracy.
You're a hippacrit palani....a hippacrit!

[palani]

Oh so now a copy of the check is somehow legally not the same huh....hahahahahahahah!

Copies are NEVER the same. The holder in due course gets to latch on to the ORIGINAL and the holder in due course under the UCC is the only one with any rights (aka the 'creditor').

Please do yourself a favor and educate yourself. You come across as a plebe.

[palani]

Yep a politicians words are a source of palani's conspiracy.
You're a hippacrit palani....a hippacrit!

Did or did not Bork utter the phrase I attributed to him? What you THINK is of no concern to me.

And I have no idea what a 'hippacrit' is. Is this something you have constructing in your warped mind?

[7th trump]

I did suggest the strawman approach but then that is merely idem sonans. Here are a number of cases from Bouviers that would need to be checked out to follow this up completely

Look up "idem sonans" and use it without injecting it into a conspirac to justify yourself.

An example of those cases is no different than my first name is legally "Michael".....but a write "Mike" on just about everything. I'm still identified as Michael even though I use Mike.

Yea.....kepp drinking that conspiracy cool-aid palani.

[palani]

Look up "idem sonans" and use it without injecting it into a conspirac to justify yourself.

I would be willing to bet you consider yourself an 'American' just because you believe you are located in 'the United States of America'. Yet that federation went out of business permanently in 1868 to be replaced with another government (not a federation this time) that just happened to go by the same name.

Me? I'm of French nationality by virtue of being born on land that once belonged to the French.

[7th trump]

Copies are NEVER the same. The holder in due course gets to latch on to the ORIGINAL and the holder in due course under the UCC is the only one with any rights (aka the 'creditor').

Please do yourself a favor and educate yourself. You come across as a plebe.
Bullshit!...your twisting this around to justify your mental disorder.

Yea...you said it...."UCC"...........it doesnt apply to everything legal or even lawful.

[7th trump]

I would be willing to bet you consider yourself an 'American' just because you believe you are located in 'the United States of America'. Yet that federation went out of business permanently in 1868 to be replaced with another government (not a federation this time) that just happened to go by the same name.

Me? I'm of French nationality by virtue of being born on land that once belonged to the French.
Now there is a stupid remark if I ever heard of one.
So a black man may very well be a white frenchman huh?

HAhahahahahah.....you woke up drunk once a gain I see!

[ImaCannin]

I always draw a line thru the "authorized signature" .

[palani]

"UCC"...........it doesnt apply to everything legal or even lawful.

Plebe comment.

[palani]

So a black man may very well be a white frenchman huh?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/9675cf5fda07aa09c89fd4934770b3e3/tumblr_mh1e7cSazR1rd1svgo1_400.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj8w1mXAUh1qix36go1_500.jpg

[palani]

I always draw a line thru the "authorized signature" .

Good way to handle it.

[7th trump]

I always draw a line thru the "authorized signature" .

So when you draw a line through it does the bank still draw on the check?

If yes, then the line is just merely artwork much in the way that those who beleive that stamping "redeemed per 12usc 411" on a check turns FRN's magically into "lawful money" and the teller hands them FRN's anyway.

[7th trump]

Not to derail this thread but Doreen Hendrickson, wife of auther of CtC ,Pete Hendrickson, was indicted today.
She to played semantics with taxes and failed to do what the court asked her to do and correct some tax files as a result of her husbands personal interpretive delusions of law.................just like Palani is playing delusional semantics with FRN's.

[palani]

So when you draw a line through it does the bank still draw on the check? Why wouldn't they? According to you the microprint means nothing.


If yes, then the line is just merely artwork much in the way that those who beleive that stamping "redeemed per 12usc 411" on a check turns FRN's magically into "lawful money" and the teller hands them FRN's anyway.
For the same reason you should not argue law with a coppiceman you should try not to inform a teller of what you are about. The low level peons are simply going thru life with blinders on. Unless they ask don't bother to attempt to reason with them or educate them.

[palani]

...playing delusional semantics with FRN's.

YOU are the only individual bringing up FRN's in this thread.

[ImaCannin]

Now I'm a a stupid remark if I ever heard of one.
So a black man may very well be me huh?

HAhahahahahah.....I'm a drunk whore

http://vivalastu.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/douche_bag.jpg

[madfranks]

This thread started educational somewhat, and was interesting, but now I can't make heads or tails out of what's going on.

[7th trump]

http://vivalastu.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/douche_bag.jpg

Wow cannin that's pretty good comic relief artwork there.....to bad I didn't say that.
Do you make it a habit to lower your standard when things don't go your way?

Well I take they did hand over FRN's to you then regardless of your scribbling's.

[7th trump]

This thread started educational somewhat, and was interesting, but now I can't make heads or tails out of what's going on.

Here's the purpose of the line


authorizing someone to draw from your account to satisfy a debt without you being there at the bank to pull the money out yourself and exchanging it over.

The thread was going towards more unsupported conspiracy mumbo jumbo so I jumped right to FRN's because that's where this thread was headed.
The glass on the bottom of the cup to reveal a coin may have been an offer, not a contract as palani suggests....we don't know for sure....palani never provides any documentation as evidence.

Heres a link to what the purpose of the microprinting signature line is for....its a security device for fake documents.
Matter of fact theres more MP found on a check than the line.

http://banking.about.com/od/checkingaccounts/a/Mp-On-A-Check.htm

You may find the letters "MP" next to the signature line. This indicates that the check includes a security feature called microprinting, and that there are tiny words on your check that cannot be detected by the naked eye.

Just google it and theres hundreds of hits.........its a wonder why palani never googles any of his wacky ideas before posting them....get your head checked palani....its a mental disorder you have according to a medical definition.

[palani]

Here's the purpose of the line Yet they might have used MERRY CHRISTMAS rather than AUTHORIZED SIGNATURE.




he thread was going towards more unsupported conspiracy mumbo jumbo so I jumped right to FRN's
Quite decent of you, old Son, to be tootin' your own horn. Nothin' like raining on someone elses parade when you can be promoting your own.



The glass on the bottom of the cup to reveal a coin may have been an offer, not a contract
Well you ALMOST got that one right. The COIN is the offer rather than the glass. The glass just makes it possible to view the coin. The action of drinking the ale and symbolically accepting the coin is the CONTRACT.


Heres a link to what the purpose of the microprinting signature line is for....its a security device for fake documents And if you believe this then you surely deserve all that is going to happen to you.

[palani]

This thread started educational somewhat, and was interesting, but now I can't make heads or tails out of what's going on.

Many of 7th trumps post lead to this result. He is into disinformation in a big way. Watch out for him. He wants your head on a post.

[Glass]

In australia, we have not gotten back checks at all from what I remember. I've never seen it in half a century. I think I asked here to find out what is on the cheques when they come back. Interested in how a banker marks them.

Our cheques have micro print as well but it is the name of the bank. I have not seen all bank cheques but from 2 banks it says the banks name.

[7th trump]

Many of 7th trumps post lead to this result. He is into disinformation in a big way. Watch out for him. He wants your head on a post.

Disinformation huh?
What ever palani.............its you who doesn't procure any evidence to support your theories....that's misinformation.
Here's a little bit on misinformation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation
Disinformation is intentional misinformation.
I don't disinform....I actually research what I'm talking about.....you on the other hand when shown your theories are horse biscuits and continue to spread the misinformation turns to disinformation.

[7th trump]

Yet they might have used MERRY CHRISTMAS rather than AUTHORIZED SIGNATURE.




Quite decent of you, old Son, to be tootin' your own horn. Nothin' like raining on someone elses parade when you can be promoting your own.



Well you ALMOST got that one right. The COIN is the offer rather than the glass. The glass just makes it possible to view the coin. The action of drinking the ale and symbolically accepting the coin is the CONTRACT.

And if you believe this then you surely deserve all that is going to happen to you.

Merry Christmas huh?
Still doesn't support your whacked theory its a contract renewal now does it grasshopper.

Nothings happening to me..........I actually stood up for my rights palani.....unlike you all lost in the law to even figure out how to stand up.
See I actually researched the law to figure out the way out of taxation rabbit hole.
Lets put it this way palani....if your employer is "reporting" to the SSA then the pay is taxable.
Figure out "reporting" and dissect it to reverse engineer its contruction. Its going to have to take actual reading of the statutes which you palani refuse to do!
Any wonder you had your ass handed to you today over this signature line?

[7th trump]

You can buy blank checks and print your own instead of ordering them from the banks and the water marks are present.
They are for security reasons...not what our resident conspiracy-nut wants you to believe they are.


You, palani, will go to no length to write a story up to capture the audience into believing your scam......sad....real sad!

[palani]

its you who doesn't procure any evidence to support your theories...

Look at the signature line. Is that EVIDENCE?

Do you suppose they put that little phrase on there for shits and giggles?

[palani]

I actually stood up for my rights

Is THAT what you think this thread is about? You? Are you ego-centric then?

[palani]

You can buy blank checks and print your own

Is this what YOU do? Or are you just proposing another theory?

[7th trump]

Look at the signature line. Is that EVIDENCE?

Do you suppose they put that little phrase on there for shits and giggles?

They put that phrase on there as a water mark to tell a fake from a real check.....that's all nothing else.

[7th trump]

Is THAT what you think this thread is about? You? Are you ego-centric then?
more deflection from palani. Its his method of operation.

[7th trump]

Is this what YOU do? Or are you just proposing another theory?

Why are you putting words in my mouth. All I said was you can buy blank water marked paper that you can print checks on. That's alone should say your an idiot to suggest the signature line is a contract.

Go back to bed and sleep off the drunk you fool.

[palani]

They put that phrase on there as a water mark to tell a fake from a real check.....that's all nothing else.
A watermark is not the same as microprint.

[7th trump]

A watermark is not the same as microprint.

Doesn't matter if its a watermark or a microprint palani they have them on the blank sheet you print out.....completely proves your story is just that...................a story.

Maybe its time you actually do some research on the subject before opening your mouth and making a fool out of yourself. How many times now is it you've discredited yourself?

[palani]

Why are you putting words in my mouth. All I said was you can buy blank water marked paper that you can print checks on. That's alone should say your an idiot to suggest the signature line is a contract.

Your response indicates cognitive disassociation with reality. Here is my post:

Is this what YOU do? Or are you just proposing another theory?

How is this 'putting words in your mouth'?

[palani]

Maybe its time you actually do some research on the subject before opening your mouth and making a fool out of yourself. How many times now is it you've discredited yourself?

Maybe it is time you stopped making an ass of yourself by all of the nasty comments I have been letting you get by with.

Do you talk this way in person or does the internet bring out the worst in you?

Seek help. For you own sake if not for others.

[palani]

SIGNATURE, pract. contr. By signature is understood the act of putting down a man's name, at the end of an instrument, to attest its validity. The name thus written is also called a signature.

2. It is not necessary that a party should write his name himself, to constitute a signature; his mark is now beld sufficient though he was able to write. 8 Ad. & El. 94; 3 N. & Per. 228; 3 Curt. 752; 5 John. 144, A signature made by a party, another person guiding his band with his consent, is sufficient.




autograph (n.)
"a person's signature," 1791, from Latin autographum, from Greek autographon, neuter of autographos "written with one's own hand," from autos- "self" (see auto-) + graphein "to write" (originally "to scratch;" see -graphy). Used earlier (1640s) to mean "author's own manuscript."



They ASK for a SIGNATURE by the microprint. You instead give them an AUTOGRAPH. Perhaps the signature is all the authority that is needed to discharge the obligation imposed on the bank by the check while the autograph could be hypothecated and stand as a surety on its' own.




hypothecate (v.)
1680s, from hypothecat-, past participle stem of Medieval Latin hypothecare, from Late Latin hypotheca, from Greek hypotheke "a deposit, pledge, mortgage," from hypo- "down" + tithenai "to put, place" (see theme). Related: Hypothecated; hypothecating; hypothecation.

[7th trump]

They ASK for a SIGNATURE by the microprint. You instead give them an AUTOGRAPH. Perhaps the signature is all the authority that is needed to discharge the obligation imposed on the bank by the check while the autograph could be hypothecated and stand as a surety on its' own.
Conspiracy nuts are a funny breed having mental difficulties!
The persistence of trying to fit round pegs into square holes is incredible with you palani.
Stay within the bounds of the purpose of signing the check in the first place.....hence you have the answer.
Why you'd rather believe in a lie when the truth fits is beyond me.
Now its turned into "autograph" huh?
Anything to validate a conspiracy.....even if it means to inject an invalid interpretation

Signing the check is giving permission to draw on the account.
Shouldn't be to hard figure out why the microprint says "AUTHORIZED SIGNITURE" on a microprint line used for permission to access the account?

You're a hoot palani.....sheer entertainment!

[palani]

Signing the check is giving permission to draw on the account.
Shouldn't be to hard figure out why the microprint says "AUTHORIZED SIGNITURE" on a microprint line used for permission to access the account?
SIGNITURE?




You're a hoot palani.....sheer entertainment!
You are a pain in the ass and don't add anything at all. Your nonsense is now ended.