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Serpo
14th June 2013, 01:17 AM
Considering Chinese Demand



Thursday, June 13, 2013 at 1:36 pm
It's one of those things. You hear about it every day but never stop to really think about it.
This began as an email discussion with my friend, Ned, yesterday. All of us in Turdville are aware that the Shanghai Gold Exchange has physically delivered something like 1200 metric tonnes of gold, year to date. That's a staggering number and it far exceeds the amount delivered through London and dwarfs the level delivered through the Comex. Prior to yesterday, I looked at that number and thought, "Wow. That's a lot.", but I never stopped to ask the follow-up questions:


To whom is this being delivered? AND
Once it's delivered, where does it go next?

Let's start by looking at this handy chart. Note that, at this current pace of delivery, Shanghai is currently delivering each month the entire global mine supply. No wonder they were temporarily "out of stock" back in May! How long can this continue?
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/sites/default/files/users/u2/world-mining-prod-vs-sge-vs-comex.jpg (http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/sites/default/files/users/u2/world-mining-prod-vs-sge-vs-comex.jpg)
OK, now for some additional background. Recall that, since about 2006, the Chinese government has been aggressively promoting gold buying by its citizens. This campaign really began to pick up steam in 2009 following The Great Western Financial Crisis. A quick Google search returns all sorts of articles which describe this policy. Here are just a few examples: http://www.mineweb.co.za/mineweb/content/en/mineweb- gold-analysis?oid=88452&sn=Detail (http://www.mineweb.co.za/mineweb/content/en/mineweb-gold-analysis?oid=88452&sn=Detail) & http://www.bullionbullscanada.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2545:china-urges-citizens-to-buy-gold-silver&catid=48:gold-commentary&Itemid=131 & http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1267715760.php & http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2012/01/29/why-are-the-chinese-buying-record-quantities-of-gold/
We also know that officially reported Chinese imports are soaring. In just the first four months of this year, China has imported through Hong Kong nearly 500 metric tonnes of gold. This adds to the 834 metric tonnes that they imported in calendar year 2012. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-05/china-gold-imports-from-hong-kong-gain-to-all-time-high-in-12.html
(Charts courtesy of ZH)
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/sites/default/files/users/u2/china_gross_imports_april_y-y_0.jpg (http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/sites/default/files/users/u2/china_gross_imports_april_y-y_0.jpg)
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/sites/default/files/users/u2/china_gross_imports_april_0.jpg (http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/sites/default/files/users/u2/china_gross_imports_april_0.jpg)
So where is all this gold going? I first wrote about it nearly a year ago. Much of it is being recast into kilo bars that, I believe, will ultimately be used to provide a hard asset backing to a future Yuan. http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/3924/gonefor-good
But that still doesn't explain the almost-daily, 15-25 metric tonnes of physical delivery in Shanghai. This is why Ned and I were so perplexed.
So, next, I did what any sensible person would do, I rang up Andrew Maguire. His decades of experience in working the international wholesale market makes him the best source I have for answers to these questions. The conversation went something like this:
Me: "Andy, where the heck is all this gold going?"
Andy: "It's not going anywhere."
Me: "What do you mean?"
Andy: "I mean exactly that. Shanghai settles all that bullion each day to domestic wholesalers. That metal is then shipped off to Chinese dealers and refiners for domestic consumption."
Me: "So wait a minute. You're telling me that public demand in China is currently soaking up 250 metric tonnes per month or nearly ALL of the publicly-reported global mine supply?"
Andy: "Exactly."
And then I started thinking...Well how hard would that be to do? 250 metric tonnes is about 8,000,000 troy ounces. The current population of China is 1.344 billion. If only 25% of the population is taking their government up on the idea of gold ownership, that's 336,000,000 people or, roughly, an amount equivalent to the entire population of the United States!
So now let's say that these 336,000,000 people buy, on average, 1/40th of an ounce every month. That works out to be about 3/4 of a gram or about $35 worth at $1400/ounce. Working the math backward we get: 336,000,000 people buying .75 grams = 252,000,000 grams and 252,000,000 grams = 252 metric tonnes.
Hmmm. Well how about that? Makes you look at stories like this in a different light, doesn't it? http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2013-06/12/content_16611576.htm
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/sites/default/files/users/u2/d4bed9d4d2201322608001.jpg (http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/sites/default/files/users/u2/d4bed9d4d2201322608001.jpg)
A crowd of customers waits in front of a gold store to shop during a promotion, in Jinan city, East China’s Shandong province on June 11, 2013.
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/sites/default/files/users/u2/d4bed9d4d2201322608102.jpg (http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/sites/default/files/users/u2/d4bed9d4d2201322608102.jpg)
People crowding around a gold products counter jockey for position to pick up something in a gold store which sold its products at a price of 299 yuan per gram in a promotion – about 50 to 70 yuan lower than the normal level, in Jinan city, East China's Shandong province on June 11, 2013. The promotion attracted nearly 10,000 people who rushed to the store despite restricting each customer's shopping time to 15 minutes. While gold markets in the US and Europe saw panic selling, China has just seen a surge in gold sales in the past few months. Chinese households came under the spotlight with their generous purchase of the gold products amid a global fall of the gold price.
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/sites/default/files/users/u2/d4bed9d4d2201322608204.jpg (http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/sites/default/files/users/u2/d4bed9d4d2201322608204.jpg)
OK, then. So, do you still think that the Spec Shorts are on the right side of the trade, that price is going lower and that the "bull market" in gold is over???
Hmmmm. Chew in that over the weekend and then come back for more on Monday. It's going to be another interesting week.
TF

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/4779/considering-chinese-demand

Neuro
14th June 2013, 01:49 AM
How the hell is it possible with numbers like these the last few months the spot price of gold has dropped through the floor. Yes I do understand the paper manipulation bit, but how could HK and China manage to import these amounts of physical product at these prices. It seems impossible...

Mouse
14th June 2013, 01:55 AM
Gld

Serpo
14th June 2013, 02:27 AM
The big thingy at the moment is too run up the price a bit during asian buying ,then knock it down a bit during the comex,clean up ,sell to China and make extra $50 premium on every ounce.Nobody cares that much as long as they can make a 50 $ every time then its easy money, as long as it lasts.

mamboni
14th June 2013, 07:23 AM
Here's my take on it, for what it's worth:

The western bullion banks are short physical gold as they are trying to get back leased private customer gold, central bank gold and also satisfy Chinese, Indian and middle Eastern demand out of LBMA. They are carrying out just-in-time inventory management, bringing gold in just fast enough to meet outflows. Simultaneoulsy, they are suppressing the price on the paper futures market to prevent any ignition of western gold demand that would blow the lid off the physical gold market. The long term fundamentals for gold are excellent as inventories are depleted and central banks are not selling any net gold into the market (i.e. easten central banks absorb any gold sold by western central banks) and gold mine supply has peaked and is in slow decline because of declining ore grades, no new large discoveries and rising all-in cost of production. The smart money (high net worth westerners, a few enlightened folk like GSUS members, the masses of China and India, middle eastern potentates) is already into gold. Virtually the entire populations of the US and Euro zone have no gold ownership and have not discovered gold, yet. When they do (and they will when the stagflation hits in 2015-6) then Katy bar the door because the gold price will rocket. Beat the rush: get your gold today.

Ponce
14th June 2013, 09:08 AM
On the other hand.....people are buying gold FOR the government......by buying PM at the present "low" prices many people can afford to buy it.....but.......later this will happen...... 1= the prices of PM will be sky high the same as the price of everything else, 2= there will be no jobs and those with PM are hungry and they can sell PM only to the governmen........ the prices will go higher and they will shake the tree for the remainding PM.......and then PM will rule.

I can see how the Hilton guy was able to buy a hotel for one oz of gold........in the other hand the the owner of the hotel didn't own a hotel by being stupid so that he probably bought two hotels from somebody else with that one oz of gold.

How many of you here have sold part of your stach for this or that?.........I did as an experiment and now I assured my supply of gas for the future..................is not what you have but what you do with what you have.

V

gunDriller
14th June 2013, 10:26 AM
How the hell is it possible with numbers like these the last few months the spot price of gold has dropped through the floor. Yes I do understand the paper manipulation bit, but how could HK and China manage to import these amounts of physical product at these prices. It seems impossible...

maybe the J-Whiners have a deal with China, and that's how the J-Whiners will make their inroads into China.

maybe, the deal is, the J-Whiners depress the $ price of Gold, so the Chinese can turn some worthless FRN's into some age-old currency, physical Gold.

obviously speculating.

on the other hand, there's a heck of a lot more going on here (in the PM markets) than 'simple supply & demand.'

Serpo
14th June 2013, 12:03 PM
Stunning Images From China: Ten Thousand People Waiting In Line To Buy Gold (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-14/stunning-images-china-ten-thousand-people-waiting-line-buy-gold)Submitted by Tyler Durden (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden) on 06/14/2013 - 12:38 http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/06/Gold%20Line%201_0_0.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/06/Gold%20Line%201_0.jpg)Sometimes one must see to believe, in this case believe just how massive the raw demand for the shiny, barbarous relic is in China during times of relative monetary stability (in this case the Dragon Boat Festival). Now assume runaway inflation as we saw in 2011 China, which may be unleashed by something as catalytic as the PBOC once again deciding to inject liquidity in its suffocating banking system and to revive growth in the stalling economy.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/06/Gold%20Line%201_0.jpghttp://www.zerohedge.com/

EE_
14th June 2013, 12:17 PM
Boy are they dumb!...or are they?

ximmy
14th June 2013, 01:19 PM
Boy are they dumb!...or are they?


Not smart like us...


http://www.deerrunmercantile.com/images/products/detail/fr2402twentydolPCGSVF20.jpg

PatColo
15th June 2013, 02:37 AM
from Steve Quayle- DBS linked it, remarking (http://www.iamthewitness.com/) "I don't trust this guy 100% but this is well written"; which is a bit ironic given I don't trust DBS 100% ! :D


Enter The Dragon's Den : China's strategic Gold Swipe/THIS IS THE FINEST CHINA/ GOLD OVERVIEW WRITTEN PERIOD (http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=418)

For over a decade we have been hearing about the term consolidation in the PM market. That once this occurs you can see the price of Gold and Silver skyrocket. Year after year those fixated on the paper supply side of ETF's and futures contracts have seen the PMs go up and down in a wild range of spot price, that calling a bottom or a top is fool hearty. While the vast majority dedicated their energies to the fight of PM vs the Fiat of the world, there has been an operation at work so insidious so diabolically genius that until recently the magnitude of the operation was virtually unknown.

more: http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=418