Continuation of "Terrorism"......by Palani

[Ponce]

Hey buddy, how come you closed that thread? it had a lot of good info.........

Here in Oregon is four years and not two years when they will take you to court to take your home away.....but...... in a land patent case they have to take you to a "Court of common law" with a federal judge AND a jury.....that's what I am saying when I say that I have seen many mistakes like this one ........ the only case that they tried to scared me with was about a land patent for a mine claim..... the judge said that the claim was good only for produce from the mine itself and not for the land because there was no home so that it didn't qualify as a private property........

At this time I really don't want to say to much about it because I don't want them to have the tools to fight me with, remember that in a court of common law only what has been ruled on can be produced as evidence.......also what they have hiding away from the general public will count against them........specially now that the whole world knows that they cannot be trusted.

Any thing that you can add to this in order to educate the dumb Cuban is more than welcome.... trump? you should also post as to what you think of all this...... this is not about you two fighting about everything but about helping the one and only, the GREAT Ponce hahahahahahaahah.

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[Ponce]

Here ya go........ this is why a land patent rules the world.....

State statutes that give lesser authoritative ownership of title than the patent can not even be brought into federal court. Langdon v. Sherwood, 124 U.S. 74, 81 (1887). These acts of attacks. Fisher v. Rule, 248 U.S. 314, 318 (1919); see also Hoofnagle v. Anderson, 20 U.S. (7 Wheat.) 212 (1822).

A patent issued by the United States of America so vests the title in the lands covered thereby, that it is the further general rule that, such patents are not open to collateral attack. Thomas

v. Union Pacific Railroad Company, 139 F.Supp. 588, 596 (1956). See also State v. Crawford, 475 P.2d 515 (Ariz. App. 1970) (A patent is prima facie valid, and if its validity can be attacked at all, the burden of proof is upon the defendant); State v. Crawford, 441 P.2d 586, 590 (Ariz. App. 1968) (A patent to land is the highest evidence of title and may not be collaterally attacked); Dredge v. Husite Company, 369 P.2d 676,682 (1962) (A patent is the act of legally instituted tribunal, done within its jurisdiction, and passes the title. Such a patent is a final judgment as well as a conveyance and is conclusive upon a collateral attack). Absent some facial invalidity, the patents are presumed valid. Murray v. State, 596 P.2d 805, 816 (1979). The government retains no power to nullify a patent except through a direct court proceeding. United States v. Reimann, 504 F.2d 135 (1974); See also Green v. Barker, 66 N.W. 1032, 1034 (1896)

is only assailable in a direct proceeding for fraud or mistake. In no other situation is it allowable for the courts, to simply eliminate the patent. One question that may arise is what do the courts mean by a collateral attack and what can be done by courts of equity if a collateral attack is presented?

[Ponce]

Patents are issued (and theoretically passed) between sovereigns ... and deeds are executed by persons and private corporations without these sovereign powers.

I can only guess that this makes me royalty.......you peasents......at least my tittle is better than just plain "GOY" ahahahahahahahahahah.

[palani]

Hey buddy, how come you closed that thread? it had a lot of good info......... Info there is still good but the thread was about to be entangled with nonsense (not yours tho).


Any thing that you can add to this in order to educate the dumb Cuban

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So I happen to know this guy who purchased some land (around 240 acres if I remember). He is a vet from the Viet era. He put it in a trust and responded timely to each and every demand to pay property tax, had the recorder keep track of all correspondence and along about 1994 was evicted by the sheriff as his tax lien was sold at a tax lien auction. In fact he took me to the capital in Des Moines and even showed me the book in the Secretary of States office where a relative of his paid a buck and a quarter an acre and had a land patent issued on the same land. The state has issued a color of deed on the land and it has changed hands several times. He has been charged with trespass a few times, one of the color of title 'owners' has pulled a .45 on him, he continues to claim the land and files liens on all the crops produced. The 'courts' presume that they can 'quash' a lien in the same manner that they presume that the state can issue a title to anothers property. He has been fighting this issue for 20 years.

Were it me taking on the same issue I think I would do it with no more than an acre to so, or a small lot, just to make sure I had the hang of the thing. But after observing this fellows trials and tribulations (the last time an arrest warrant was served on him was on Sunday morning on the steps of his church) I think I would rather proclaim that I own no property at all in a plane that isn't going to honor my ownership.

[Ponce]

Did you read what I posted above? they must take you to a court (court of common law) to take the land away from you and only after the approval of the US Supreme Court........
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ also, the above info came from here, pretty good.

http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/landpatent/index.html

[palani]

Did you read what I posted above? they must take you to a court (court of common law)...

They don't. The file a lien that really isn't a lien at all. It is more like a notice of lien. And no matter what you say to 'them' any non-payment is going to be viewed as a dishonor (which it is). The land is not what gets sold at a tax lien sale. It is the dishonor that is sold and you are given a couple years to pay the (about) 24% apr to the successful buyer of your dishonor. If you don't settle with him then the state seems to think they can issue him a quit claim deed on your property. Nothing illegal here because even I can issue a quit claim deed on your property. But because it is from the state everyone else is going to say 'the state doesn't commit fraud .. the paper must be good'. Pretty soon the sheriff comes out at the insistence of the new 'owner' and he is going to separate your ownership and your possession. Undoubtedly you are still going to be the owner with the land patent and all but someone else is goin' to be crappin' in your outhouse.

[Ponce]

Well, I have enough evidence to the contrary.....and I won't say what it is.......and that's why I would love to go to a court of common law...........remember, I see what others don't......and the government won't tell them what it is...the power that they have over you is not what you know but rather what you don't.

In five years you will read "I won the case and no longer have to pay Property Tax".......and if all works according to my plans it could be a lot sooner........I know that they don't want to open a can of worms and see me there smiling at them.

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[palani]

In five years you will read "I won the case and no longer have to pay Property Tax"

I don't pay property tax now. I own no property in the communist plane (to own property when others claim you don't is somewhat akin to argument and rather than argue I tend to agree with them instead). That said, I do administrate some property for a corporation and the corporation is staying in honor by paying all presentments. They are doing so with lawful money and the treasurer has been instructed to place the payment in the specie account rather than the fiat account. The legislature instructed the treasurers of each county in this regard in 1866 in Iowa so in a sense all we are doing is telling them to follow the instructions of the state.

[Ponce]

To follow all makes you a sheep, but to be your own makes you a man...... Anyway the last page of this book promisses to be a good one..........that will probably be me crying OI VEY, OI VEY.....WHY ME? THEY MUST ME ANTI CUBANS.

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[palani]

I got addicted to cubanos in Puerto Rico years ago. Media noches too. Then in New Orleans I got subjected to muffaletas.

http://cookingfortwo.about.com/od/soupssaladssandwiches/r/muffaletta.htm

[7th trump]

I don't pay property tax now. I own no property in the communist plane (to own property when others claim you don't is somewhat akin to argument and rather than argue I tend to agree with them instead). That said, I do administrate some property for a corporation and the corporation is staying in honor by paying all presentments. They are doing so with lawful money and the treasurer has been instructed to place the payment in the specie account rather than the fiat account. The legislature instructed the treasurers of each county in this regard in 1866 in Iowa so in a sense all we are doing is telling them to follow the instructions of the state.

You don't own any property at all on any plane palani.
If you did you'd own property and legally got out of paying property taxes you'd be hollering from the roof tops on how and what causes property taxes to know how to escape them.....and that just not the case with you.
Your a snake skin oil salesmen wanta be lawyer shyster palani.

Basically you are an apartment complex handy man most likely getting free room and board for fixing leaky pipe and changing out locks for the next dweller.
Lawful money bullshit....the FRN's the corporation is paying its presentments is just that....frn's.
You can stamp anything on the FRN your heart desires to make yourself believe its lawful money Palani....the bank doesn't give one shit as long as they see the mortgage is paid.

What palani doesn't tell you guys is that when these quacks like him go to banks to redeem lawful money all they get in return is more FRN's.
And according to these dimwits lawful money is actual US treasury notes, but the quacks get FRN's in return. They stamp redeemed for lawful money as if its some magical pixy dust and all is changed.
Hahahahahaha......!

[palani]

They stamp redeemed for lawful money as if its some magical pixy dust and all is changed.
Hahahahahaha......!

Your congress critters have deemed this to be the proper method to avoid the mischief(s) of fiat money. Are you calling congress dishonorable? Would they intentionally lie to you?

[Ponce]

Here we go........

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[palani]

Here we go........

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You opened it.

You can close it.

[7th trump]

Your congress critters have deemed this to be the proper method to avoid the mischief(s) of fiat money. Are you calling congress dishonorable? Would they intentionally lie to you?

Yep they sure did deem this the proper method not arguing with you there. However they closed that door when they stopped printing Treasury Notes altogether.
I believe the last of the Treasury Notes printed were Silver certificates. 1971 was the last year for silver certificates.

[7th trump]

Here we go........

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ponce he always wants it closed for a reason. That reason is usually someone is about to call him out on bullshit and actually proves he's just regurgitating theories he reads in between fixing leaky pipes as a janitor in an apartment complex.

[palani]

1971 was the last year for silver certificates.

Who has ever made the statement that silver certificates were lawful money?

[palani]

always wants it closed for a reason

Not my thread. Should I care? Besides I have gotten used to patronizing the insane. Their reasoning is so irrational.

[7th trump]

Who has ever made the statement that silver certificates were lawful money?

See everyone..........see how palani tries to turn this around and make the person questioning him or even making a statement second guess themselves.
This is one of palani's method of operation.

Your buddy David Merrill Vanpelt who you hang with over at Sui Juris.com who's been legally diagnosed as a having mental disorder by a professional that's who.
Vanpelt was court ordered to get an evaluation for his court case on abusing his very own mother. He currently resides in his mothers basement.
And don't say you don't know him....you talk with the dimwit mental case all the time.

Imagine that!
Palani an apartment handy man fixer upper legal guru scholar hanging out with a certified mental case who lives in the basement of his mother house.

[osoab]

See everyone..........see how palani tries to turn this around and make the person questioning him or even making a statement second guess themselves.
This is one of palani's method of operation.

Your buddy David Merrill Vanpelt who you hang with over at Sui Juris.com who's been legally diagnosed as a having mental disorder by a professional that's who.
Vanpelt was court ordered to get an evaluation for his court case on abusing his very own mother. He currently resides in his mothers basement.
And don't say you don't know him....you talk with the dimwit mental case all the time.

Imagine that!
Palani an apartment handy man fixer upper legal guru scholar hanging out with a certified mental case who lives in the basement of his mother house.

Where's your proof? Are you David Merrill Vanpelt?

[Mouse]

See everyone..........see how palani tries to turn this around and make the person questioning him or even making a statement second guess themselves.
This is one of palani's method of operation.

Your buddy David Merrill Vanpelt who you hang with over at Sui Juris.com who's been legally diagnosed as a having mental disorder by a professional that's who.
Vanpelt was court ordered to get an evaluation for his court case on abusing his very own mother. He currently resides in his mothers basement.
And don't say you don't know him....you talk with the dimwit mental case all the time.

Imagine that!
Palani an apartment handy man fixer upper legal guru scholar hanging out with a certified mental case who lives in the basement of his mother house.

I don't see how your attack can really be successful since you are merely implying guilt by association with someone (Van-pelt) whom you have thoroughly character assassinated. Can you not find any direct and related evidence upon which to base this ad-hom attack? I feel sorry for van peeblebrock or whoever, as you have really made him out to be quite a charmer. I wonder if he might have grounds for libel? Carry on.....

[Ponce]

I know that all that fighting is all in fun.......after all brothers always fight among themselves :)

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