In 2009, Ed Snowden said leakers “should be shot.” Then he became one

[JohnQPublic]

In 2009, Ed Snowden said leakers “should be shot.” Then he became one (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/exclusive-in-2009-ed-snowden-said-leakers-should-be-shot-then-he-became-one/)
"...Two days after his arrival in Switzerland, Snowden logged onto #arsificial, a channel on Ars Technica's public Internet Relay Chat (IRC) server. He'd been frequenting this space for a few months, chatting with whomever happened to be hanging out..."

[TheTrueHOOHA = Snowden according to author, JQP]


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< TheTrueHOOHA>

HOLY SHIT http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/washington/11iran.html?_r=1&hp



< TheTrueHOOHA>
WTF NYTIMES


< TheTrueHOOHA>
Are they TRYING to start a war?
Jesus christ
they're like wikileaks


< User19>
they're just reporting, dude.


< TheTrueHOOHA>
They're reporting classified shit


< User19>
shrugs


< TheTrueHOOHA>
about an unpopular country surrounded by enemies already engaged in a war
and about our interactions with said country regarding planning sovereignity violations of another country
you don't put that shit in the NEWSPAPER


< User19>
meh


< TheTrueHOOHA>
moreover, who the fuck are the anonymous sources telling them this?


< TheTrueHOOHA>
those people should be shot in the balls.


< TheTrueHOOHA>
But the tense exchanges also prompted the White House to step up intelligence-sharing with Israel and brief Israeli officials on new American efforts to subtly sabotage Iran’s nuclear infrastructure, a major covert program that Mr. Bush is about to hand off to President-elect Barack Obama.


< TheTrueHOOHA>
HELLO? HOW COVERT IS IT NOW? THANK YOU


< User19>
meh


< TheTrueHOOHA>
I wonder how many hundreds of millions of dollars they just completely blew.


< User19>
you're over reacting. its fine.


< TheTrueHOOHA>
It's not an overreaction. They have a HISTORY of this shit


< User19>
with flowersand cake.


< User20>
[User21]'s mushrooms are :o


< TheTrueHOOHA>
these are the same people who blew the whole "we could listen to osama's cell phone" thingthe same people who screwed us on wiretappingover and over and over againThank god they're going out of business.


< User19>
the NYT?


< TheTrueHOOHA>
Hopefully they'll finally go bankrupt this year.
yeah.


The chat resumed a few minutes later:


< User19>
meh.


< User19>
I enjoy the news.


< User19>
Its nice they report on stuff.


< TheTrueHOOHA>
I enjoy it when it's ethical reporting.


< TheTrueHOOHA>
political corruption, sure



< TheTrueHOOHA>
scandal, yes


< User19>
is it unethical to report on the government's intrigue?


< TheTrueHOOHA>
VIOLATING NATIONAL SECURITY? no


< User19>
meh.


< User19>
national security.


< TheTrueHOOHA>
Um, YEEEEEEEEEEEES.


< TheTrueHOOHA>
that shit is classified for a reason


< TheTrueHOOHA>
it's not because "oh we hope our citizens don't find out"


< TheTrueHOOHA>
it's because "this shit won't work if iran knows what we're doing."


Jan 10 20:59:56 * User19 shrugs


< TheTrueHOOHA>
None would speak on the record because of the great secrecy surrounding the intelligence developed on Iran.


< TheTrueHOOHA>
direct. quote.


< TheTrueHOOHA>
THEN WHY ARE YOU TALKING TO REPORTERS?!


Jan 10 21:01:25 * [User11] gives voice to TheTrueHOOHA





< TheTrueHOOHA>
"Those covert operations, and the question of whether Israel will settle for something less than a conventional attack on Iran, pose immediate and wrenching decisions for Mr. Obama."


< TheTrueHOOHA>
THEY'RE NOT COVERT ANYMORE


< TheTrueHOOHA>
Oh you've got to be fucking kidding me. Now the NYTimes is going to determine our foreign policy?


< TheTrueHOOHA>
And Obama?





< TheTrueHOOHA>
Obama just appointed a fucking POLITICIAN to run the CIA!


< User11>
yes unlike every other director of CIA ever


< User11>
oh wait, no


< TheTrueHOOHA>
I am so angry right now. This is completely unbelievable.


< User21>
I'm appointing ur mom to run my penis


< User21>
plus she can be secretary of my balls


< User11>
i get the feeling that you're angry because you don't actually understand what's going on...


< TheTrueHOOHA>
Actually, the whole "politician runs the CIA" thing is a new development





< User11>
uhhh


< TheTrueHOOHA>
Normally they were military or lawyers.


< User11>
have you ever heard of a man named george herbert walker bush?


< User11>
he ran the cia.


< TheTrueHOOHA>
OH, YOU MEAN ONLY 25 YEARS AGO?


< TheTrueHOOHA>
Dumbass..."

[vacuum]

This is exactly the reason he gave for why people should be concerned about spying. They can go back in the past and pull dirt on anybody if anything like this has been sent over the network.

Anyway, this is inconsequential. It's just an irc chat between a couple guys.

Ars is whoring themselves out by putting out stories like these. It's really pathetic. I mean trolling through logs of irc chats they apparently keep and store for years, giving a sensational and WRONG title (no period guys. "shot in the balls" is equivilent to "kicked in the balls" or some other figure of speech), then creating a three page story about it.

[JohnQPublic]

This is exactly the reason he gave for why people should be concerned about spying. They can go back in the past and pull dirt on anybody if anything like this has been sent over the network.

Anyway, this is inconsequential. It's just an irc chat between a couple guys.

Ars is whoring themselves out by putting out stories like these. It's really pathetic. I mean trolling through logs of irc chats they apparently keep and store for years, giving a sensational and WRONG title (no period guys. "shot in the balls" is equivilent to "kicked in the balls" or some other figure of speech), then creating a three page story about it.

Agree, but it is interesting. The more information the better.

[JDRock]

people become awake in stages... i know i did. in a short time i went fron a republican pro israel, to what i am now...no one can tell me that the nsa wanted the light of day to shine on this ever!

[Twisted Titan]

What has really impressed me is that the word on the wire is if something happens to him he has gobs and gobs of intelligence that will be released.

Now THAT is some forward thinking.

Most of the time all you had to do was just circle the wagons until the attention dies down then quietly tie up all the loose ends.


I am quite sure there is a bunch of high level meetings about what the hell he is possibly sitting on.

[vacuum]

Agree, but it is interesting. The more information the better.

Agreed, it is interesting, it's mainly the delivery that's bad here.

[gunDriller]

I am quite sure there is a bunch of high level meetings about what the hell he is possibly sitting on.

and that's a lot of $ per hour - and a lot of hours.

my guess is, the US gov. will spend $100 Million to $500 Million dealing with this.

it's just another Jobs for Jews program.

[Twisted Titan]

I hope he is really sitting on something that nobody has known about or can provide irrefutable proof about something that has been hard to substantiate.


Of course in my wildest of dreams he can release something that is absolutely damming to Israel