Holy radioactive skies Batman!

[midnight rambler]

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http://rense.com/general96/shockingplanerad.html

[General of Darkness]

Nice story. :(

[Cebu_4_2]

Isn't the radiation tactic a doom scenario? What to compare to. Fuckyoushima wasn't a plant in operation when they blew it up... idonno man.

[Serpo]

Isn't the radiation tactic a doom scenario? What to compare to. Fuckyoushima wasn't a plant in operation when they blew it up... idonno man.

This thing has been spewing out radiation since it happened and now its showing up in the skies overhead.....................

[Cebu_4_2]

This thing has been spewing out radiation since it happened and now its showing up in the skies overhead.....................

And now.... C'mon like it just got here from over a year ago? Where has it been hiding for so long? What if all them chemtrail planes barium is leaving the high radioactive readings?

Fill me in bro... and a chic-a-fila.

[Serpo]

And now.... C'mon like it just got here from over a year ago? Where has it been hiding for so long? What if all them chemtrail planes barium is leaving the high radioactive readings?

Fill me in bro... and a chic-a-fila.


http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?45415-What-if-the-Jap-reactor-Blows-what-will-be-the-effect-on-the-Western-USA



start reading ,its only over 80 pages

[Cebu_4_2]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?45415-What-if-the-Jap-reactor-Blows-what-will-be-the-effect-on-the-Western-USA



start reading ,its only over 80 pages

LOL fuck that< I think I followed every page there.

[Ares]

This isn't a surprise to anyone who flies for a living. The atmosphere is thinner up there, you're getting more of the radiation from the sun and background cosmic radiation.

That's normal (for flying anyway) and as long as you're not exposing yourself to those levels for a week at a time You're fine.

http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/faqs/commercialflights.html

Take a flight during a solar storm, and you'll get a shitload of CPM's (Count's Per Minute). So you have no idea when this guy took those readings.

More fear mongering than anything.

[Cebu_4_2]

This isn't a surprise to anyone who flies for a living. The atmosphere is thinner up there, you're getting more of the radiation from the sun and background cosmic radiation.

That's normal (for flying anyway) and as long as you're not exposing yourself to those levels for a week at a time You're fine.

http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/faqs/commercialflights.html

Take a flight during a solar storm, and you'll get a shitload of CPM's (Count's Per Minute). So you have no idea when this guy took those readings.

More fear mongering than anything.

No big deal http://www.dermalinstitute.com/us/news2/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/pd_sunscreen_070425_mn.jpg

[mamboni]

This isn't a surprise to anyone who flies for a living. The atmosphere is thinner up there, you're getting more of the radiation from the sun and background cosmic radiation.

That's normal (for flying anyway) and as long as you're not exposing yourself to those levels for a week at a time You're fine.

http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/faqs/commercialflights.html

Take a flight during a solar storm, and you'll get a shitload of CPM's (Count's Per Minute). So you have no idea when this guy took those readings.

More fear mongering than anything.


Are you sure this is normal?

[Santa]

All you fliers are gonna die from exploding prostates. Think of all the radiation trapped in the seat cushions on those planes. :o

[Ares]

Are you sure this is normal?

Well the guy doing the radiation counting is using the wrong instrument. CPM can be anything, and everything. Up that high in the atmosphere there is all sorts of radiation. From the sun, background cosmic radiation and among many others. CPM isn't as accurate as RAD which measure radiation absorbed. You'd get a better idea of the radiation level if the guy doing the measurements was measuring RADS. Instead this guy is measure any and everything with a CPM. It's apples and oranges, and if he was doing the measuring during a solar storm, or an inbound flare hit. It'd be off the charts. Time, location and correct equipment is everything.

Here maybe this will help some of you. CPM is not an accurate assessment. CPM's can measure most kinds of radiation, it also includes non-ion ionizing radiation (i.e. your Wi-Fi router, cell phone, laptop computer etc.)

From Wiki -

Count rate does not universally equate to dose rate, and there is no simple universal conversion factor. Any conversions are instrument-specific.

Counts is the number of events detected, but dose rate relates to the amount of ionising energy deposited in the sensor of the radiation detector. The conversion calculation is dependent on the radiation energy levels, the type of radiation being detected and the radiometric characteristic of the detector.

The ion chamber instrument can easily measure dose but cannot measure counts, as it operates as a continuous current instrument. However the geiger counter can measure counts but not the energy of the radiation, so a technique known as energy compensation of the detector tube is used to produce a dose reading. This modifies the tube characteristic so each count resulting from a particular radiation type is equivalent to a specific quantity of deposited dose. Proportional counters and scintillation counters can measure the energy level of each count, so dose can be automatically calculated by the instrument.

Dose rate is a complex subject and more can be found at absorbed dose and equivalent dose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counts_per_minute

Like I said, the guy needs a better instrument to measure the dosage at that altitude. Until then I wouldn't pay it much attention.

[Bigjon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFtXoH0WFQo&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFtXoH0WFQo&amp;feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pVJfmL4NBlQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=pVJfmL4NBlQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoOLuX5vD-k


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoOLuX5vD-k

http://RadiationHormesis.com provides extensive research on low level ionizing radiation and its positive effects on health - radiation hormesis

[Bigjon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyHylhu2yCo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyHylhu2yCo

[pioneer]

This IS the appropriate device, at least for the swarm of DHS agents, which they were filmed using during Boston Marathon event. Check the videos.

I KNOW the person who took the readings. He knows his stuff, his machine is appropriate and his reporting accurate.

The LAST place I would get "definitive advice from" is a public generated blog called Wikipedia. There's all sorts of bullshit on there that is passed off as facts.

Normal, baseline background for all the Christmas Island, Chernobyl, 1960s above ground tests and "sunshine" has already been established as 200 CPM, and for many decades now. And these weren't established by sending up a geiger counter into the atmosphere on weather balloons!

The reported numbers by the known party who provided this dataset without fear of coercion or retribution are MULTIPLES of the 200CPM ESTABLISHED BASELINE at 30,000 feet known by all in the aviation/radiation monitoring belt.

I accept the validity of the reporting party, the posted facts, and the multiples of established baseline.

You all do with the data as you see fit. I've made my evaluation.

[JohnQPublic]

This IS the appropriate device for DHS which they were filmed using during Boston Marathon. Check the videos.

I KNOW the person who took the readings. He knows his stuff, his machine is appropriate and his reporting accurate.

The LAST place I would get "definitive advice from" is a public generated blog called Wikipedia. There's all SORTS of bullshit on there that is passed off as facts.

Normal, baseline background for all the Christmas Island, Chernobyl, 1960s above ground tests and "sunshine" has already been established as 200 CPM, and for many decades now. And these weren't established by sending up a geiger counter into the atmosphere on weather balloons!

The reported numbers by the known party who provided this dataset without fear of coercion or retribution are MULTIPLES of the 200CPM ESTABLISHED BASELINE at 30,000 feet known by all in the aviation/radiation monitoring belt. Probably not an issue (per the website (http://seintl.com/support/radiation_info.html#8): We recommend yearly calibrations, although our instruments hold a stable calibration and rarely need adjusting.).

I accept the validity of the reporting party, the posted facts, and the multiples of established baseline.

You all do with the data as you see fit. I've made my evaluation.

Thanks for the comments. But I think the cosmic ray comments may be valid, as well as solar storms, etc. Still very interesting and scary. 100 CPM is an alert, but at sea level, correct? Also, the manual states (http://seintl.com/manuals/InspectorPlus_Operation_Manual_English.pdf):

"Please take caution when using the unit at altitudes higher than 8000 feet (2438.4 meters), as tubes can rupture."

Has he verified his Geiger tubes are not damaged?

Some additional information:

"The Inspector* measures alpha, beta, gamma, and x-ray radiation." "...It cannot measure microwaves..."

Some other possible causes of high reading (not doubting the guy, just pointing this out), I adapted the table:

PROBLEM Reading is high, but another instrument;
has a normal reading in the same location
POSSIBLE CAUSE contamination
CHECK scan the Inspector+ (EXP+) with another instrument
replace rubber strips on back of Inspector+


PROBLEM Instrument has false high reading
POSSIBLE CAUSE moisture
CHECK circuit board may be wet; dry the instrument in a warm
dry place; if it still has a problem, it requires service

PROBLEM Instrument has false high reading
POSSIBLE CAUSE photosensitivity
CHECK remove from direct sunlight and ultraviolet sources; if
the high count drops, the mica window coating may
have washed off the Geiger tube due to getting wet; the
tube will need to be replaced

PROBLEM Instrument has false high reading
POSSIBLE CAUSE continuous discharge
CHECK replace the Geiger tube

PROBLEM Instrument has false high reading
POSSIBLE CAUSE electromagnetic field
CHECK move the instrument away from possible sources of
electromagnetic or radio frequency radiation"

Again, thanks for the input. Does this guy have a ground level reading in Oregon? When was the unit last calibrated?

[Ares]

I accept the validity of the reporting party, the posted facts, and the multiples of established baseline.

You all do with the data as you see fit. I've made my evaluation.

I know my stuff as well. Radiation awareness was part of basic training on being on board a nuclear powered aircraft carrier.

CPM is NOT ACCURATE above 8000ft. WAY too many sources of background radiation as the atmosphere has not filtered out ultraviolet or electromagnetic radiation. Also the guy did not mention were those readings taken during a solar storm, or a flare hit? Those alone would send CPM through the roof yet the RADs would be minimal to you and me.

CPM in my opinion is used as an early detector. NOT an identifier. if CPM is above 100, then get some more specialized equipment to measure the RADs and type of radiation emitted to get a better understanding of the danger.

CPM is a general testing tool, and is NOT to be relied upon for accurate assessment.

Hell CPM can even pick up radio frequencies.. Gee not too many of those bouncing around in the upper atmosphere is there? *sarcasm*

[JohnQPublic]

Some other comparisons (http://www.haz-map.com/radiation.htm):

"Typical background levels are 50 counts per minute (cpm) with a surface contamination meter and 0.02 mrem/hr with a gamma dose rate meter. The Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission: Working in a Radiation Environment (http://www.nuclearsafety.gc.ca/pubs_catalogue/uploads/0754_5.pdf)

Cosmic ray dose at 30,000 to 40,000 feet = 1 mrem/hr.

Dose from monazite sand containing natural radioactive thorium in Brazil = 5 mrem/hr. ATSDR Toxicological Profile: Ionizing Radiation, p. 234." (http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp149-c6.pdf)



50 counts = .02 mrem/hr equivalent
so 1 mrem.hr = 1/.02 = 50 times more counts at 30,000-40,000 ft.

50 x50 = 2500 CPM at 30,000-40,000 ft. (not sure it scales this way, count to dose)

monazite sand --> 12,500 CPM equivalent

The website for the instrument claims the 200 CPM for 30,000 ft. I am not sure if the instrument detects cosmic rays.

[Ares]

50 x50 = 2500 CPM at 30,000-40,000 ft. (not sure it scales this way, count to dose)

Unfortunately the count to dose is type specific. Different types of radiation have different rates of absorption. Have to know which kind of radiation your counting to get an accurate assessment of absorption.


The website for the instrument claims the 200 CPM for 30,000 ft. I am not sure if the instrument detects cosmic rays.

With CPM it could be anything. Cosmic background radiation is more prevalent above 10,000 ft. I can guarantee you that the manual for that device says not to use it above 8,000ft as the assessment will be inaccurate.

CPM is just a way to see if there is radiation around. Like I said in a previous post to Mamboni. It does not differentiate between ionizing and non ionizing radiation. It detects a wide range of radiation. Which isn't a bad thing at ground level. But is not accurate the higher up in the atmosphere you go.

[Ares]

Radiation test with a CPM meter if anyone wants to try it.

Take a CPM meter (if you have one available, and measure yourself with it.)
Eat a dozen banana's and then after an hour drink a 6 pack of beer. Your own CPM will go up by about a factor of 10 because beer is radioactive. Adding the potassium from banana's will cause you to hold on to it and radiate for a few hours.

Did that in the Navy, really freaked out the techs testing the TLD (device to measure radiation exposure) LOL

[JohnQPublic]

Here is another similar report (http://www.enviroreporter.com/2012/01/seasons-readings/). They did basically the same thing, and got similar results, they also did some ground testing including of contaminated respirators:

..."Packing gets peculiar and precise. Inspector Alert nuclear radiation monitor – check. N-95 approved valved respirators to wear during flight –
check. Apple pectin – check. Miniature lab to collect samples in a part of the country hammered by high fallout in rain, sleet and snow since March
11, 2012 – check. One pissed off newlywed wife having to endure this nightmare in a country of oblivious people now being forced to wear an
N95-rated respirator on the plane because of her enviroreporter husband – check..."

"...The captain came on the loudspeaker and announced that we were at 28,000 feet heading up to 38,000 feet. SE International’s “Radiation Basics”
page says “When you fly in an air plane at 30,000 feet your rate meter is getting 200 CPM [Counts Per Minute] for anywhere between 2 to 5 hours. Our reading was 1,035 CPM which was over five times higher. Two hours later we took another ten-minute average approaching the Missouri River north of St. Charles, Missouri – 1,238 CPM or over 36 times the background in the jet at the terminal. Descending into Chicago the count was 586.2
CPM or 17.40 times previous background in the jet. Once in our southwest Michigan lodgings, Denise Anne and I tested the two masks we had worn after taking a new background. One respirator
was 44% above normal and the other 69% higher than background..."

"...Luckily, both water samples near Palisades and Cook nuclear plants registered normal. Our luck didn’t hold out for long, though, because a new jet
stream-driven rain rolled across southwest Michigan the next day and with it came the highest radiation readings we’ve ever taken in a storm since
the meltdowns began.

The Dec. 30 storm’s first sample taken tested at 561% of normal. The second sample was even hotter coming it at 6.5 times background.
Fukushima had arrived in earnest..."

[the respirator tests were really not that significant based on Ares examples- JQP]

[JohnQPublic]

A bit of perspective from Arizona State University (http://www.asu.edu/radiationsafety/RAM_Survey.html):

"Low level removable contamination levels should not exceed 2500 cpm. An attempt should be made to remove any contamination above background. However, if an item is routinely used, the guidelines outlined below may be utilized."

[In a lab envoronment, 2500 CPM and less is still considered "low level" radiation from a survey perspective (I would prefer not to be around it). I am sure it also depends on the type of contamination.- JQP]

Here is another scenario in the memo (my emphasis):

"Scenario C:
The same technician finds 100,000 cpm on the work surface, 45,000 cpm on the beta shield, 4000 cpm on a pipette, 2000 cpm on the handle to the water bath, and several other areas. The worker obviously needs to improve his/her contamination control practices, but all is not lost. These levels are still easily controllable by laboratory personnel. Carefully clean all the areas, taking care not to cross contaminate clean areas, and then place all waste in the appropriate containers. When documenting the survey, summarize your findings. Indicate where the maximum levels were found, and that the area was decontaminated. We assume all the other areas were decontaminated as well."

[This sounds like beta radiation. If it were gamma at these levels, the story may be different. JQP]

[Spectrism]

We are all breathing in these radioactive fleas. They will keep biting our lungs and other organs as circulated in the blood. Wherever they take up residency they will burn. Life on planet earth is getting uglier every day.

[mamboni]

We are all breathing in these radioactive fleas. They will keep biting our lungs and other organs as circulated in the blood. Wherever they take up residency they will burn. Life on planet earth is getting uglier every day.

Exactly. One radioactive particle emitting beta rays can cause lung cancer if it's embedded in the lungs for a long enough time. Everyone should be abating risk by installing air filters in your homes, offices and cars. It beats doing nothing.

[Spectrism]

Exactly. One radioactive particle emitting beta rays can cause lung cancer if it's embedded in the lungs for a long enough time. Everyone should be abating risk by installing air filters in your homes, offices and cars. It beats doing nothing.

Thanks for weighing in Doc. I have a strong foreboding with this whole Fukushima event.... and it is ongoing. I wish we could have some kind of projection for what the real impacts will be. How many cancers and of what types will we see increase? Here is a description, I think, of the lingering impact written 2000 years ago:

Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
Rev 9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
Rev 9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
Rev 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.


The physical is a manifestation of the spirit. We know this as a natural follow on from things we do. It is conceived in the mind first and then we make it real in the physical.

I suspect there will be a time that these "scorpions" will take hold of the radioactive fleas and bring them down on the human race. Watch for something to happen in the atmosphere... maybe a comet or meteor that could sede a rainstorm of radioactive dust, bringing down to sea level.

[JohnQPublic]

...Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads...


Got baptism?

[Spectrism]

Got baptism?

Baptism isn't the seal. The seal is fixed by the Spirit of God, not the hands of men. Just sprinkling water on people won't do any good. There needs to be new life in the Spirit applied to the soul.

Having said that, I am prepared to be surprised since things don't always turn out as expected.

[JohnQPublic]

Baptism isn't the seal. The seal is fixed by the Spirit of God, not the hands of men. Just sprinkling water on people won't do any good. There needs to be new life in the Spirit applied to the soul.

Having said that, I am prepared to be surprised since things don't always turn out as expected.

God does work through man. Otherwise what use a Church (run by man) or Scriptures (written by the hands of man)? Baptism is rebirth and is an indelible seal.

[pioneer]

yes he has a ground level reading in Oregon. yes, a qualified tech 3rd party verified his unit is not damaged after this continental hopping trip. checking various vendors it is easy to see this unit comes with a rubber boot and a protective pancake plate pair of accessories to both protect & reduce both damage, and permanent contamination or cross contamination. the cost for the TN manufacturer to recalibrate is about one third the cost to buy a new unit. these aren't toys. he takes real good care of his. i didn't think to ask him the last time he had it calibrated after purchase, just know he did since the flight and arrival back in the states. wish he'd post for himself on here. he's busy defending his genuine effort to inform of his personal experience from attacks by quacks and zombies. i told him he should have kept his mouth shut and that this would happen because nobody wants to hear about radiation. he's no snowden, the current poster boy for whistle blowers. attacking whistleblowers seldom comes to good end for the whistleblower. i don't want to see him flamed for trying to do what he thought was right. makes me remember discussions with other guys at work when i was trying to warn about various unpopular topics. ate at my workbench alone alot before i finally learned to shut the hell up.

[Horn]

And then once you get off your radio active flight,

you get a sealer wax coat available at the body scanning stations.

[JohnQPublic]

yes he has a ground level reading in Oregon. yes, a qualified tech 3rd party verified his unit is not damaged after this continental hopping trip. checking various vendors it is easy to see this unit comes with a rubber boot and a protective pancake plate pair of accessories to both protect & reduce both damage, and permanent contamination or cross contamination. the cost for the TN manufacturer to recalibrate is about one third the cost to buy a new unit. these aren't toys. he takes real good care of his. i didn't think to ask him the last time he had it calibrated after purchase, just know he did since the flight and arrival back in the states. wish he'd post for himself on here. he's busy defending his genuine effort to inform of his personal experience from attacks by quacks and zombies. i told him he should have kept his mouth shut and that this would happen because nobody wants to hear about radiation. he's no snowden, the current poster boy for whistle blowers. attacking whistleblowers seldom comes to good end for the whistleblower. i don't want to see him flamed for trying to do what he thought was right. makes me remember discussions with other guys at work when i was trying to warn about various unpopular topics. ate at my workbench alone alot before i finally learned to shut the hell up.

Thanks, pioneer. I hope you don't think we are attacking the story. We are just looking at it critically. I do appreciate his posting it. He did make a measurement, and what he measured is worth talking about.

I have learned to be careful at work, too.

[Spectrism]

God does work through man. Otherwise what use a Church (run by man) or Scriptures (written by the hands of man)? Baptism is rebirth and is an indelible seal.

Yes- I agree completely. That is why I hedged on the comment. The only difference I may have is that baptism in water is only the outward sign of obedience and revelation of what has already been chosen and happened in the Spirit. Baby baptism does not engage the choice of man individually. Salvation is individual but I must leave room for non-salvational supernatural events. I think of the passover event where lamb's blood was applied to doorways for the entire group of occupants. I hesitate to even confuse signs, types and fulfillments in the discussion.

The scripture in Revelation refers to those written in the Lamb's book of life. They are not the same as a family during the passover... but again, I am not the Sovereign One.

[pioneer]

i told him what I thought would happen. there are consequences to every action and. questions for every claim belief or evidence brought. makes no difference what the subject matter is. more will come out from other sources if this is a new truth that needs paying attention to it. then the discussion will shift to what happens next. someone famous i think said something about the stages of truth. it will run its course on this story. i don't think not enough time has passed or the right person brought up airborne fallout measurements at 30K feet yet to make much difference one way or other for ordinary people as an issue. that's as i see it. he can't unring this bell. that's something we all have to learn.