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Libertytree
3rd July 2013, 07:25 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/bolivian-presidents-plane-diverted-over-snowden-suspicion-012100277.html

By Angelika Gruber
VIENNA (Reuters) - Bolivia accused Austria of "kidnapping" its president, Evo Morales, on Wednesday after authorities searched his plane during a stop-over in Vienna on suspicion he was taking fugitive U.S. intelligence analyst Edward Snowden to Latin America.


A senior Bolivian diplomat said the Austrians had acted at the bidding of the United States, which has been trying to get its hands on Snowden since he revealed details of its secret surveillance programs last month.


"We're talking about the president on an official trip after an official summit being kidnapped," Bolivia's ambassador to the United Nations, Sacha Llorenti Soliz, told reporters in Geneva.
The Bolivian plane, which was taking Morales home from an energy conference in Moscow, was stranded at Vienna airport for several hours after Portugal and France refused to allow it to fly through their airspace.


The search found that Snowden was not onboard and the plane eventually left Vienna about noon on Wednesday.
The 30-year-old Snowden is believed to be still in the transit area of a Moscow airport, where he has been trying since June 23 to find a country that will offer him refuge from prosecution in the United States on espionage charges.


The plane incident was the latest twist in a saga which has raised a furor in the United States and abroad over the balance between privacy rights and national security.
Revelations of U.S. surveillance on European countries have also strained trans-Atlantic relations.


France on Wednesday said free-trade talks between the European Union and the United States should be delayed by two weeks given tensions over reports stemming from the Snowden case that Washington is spying on the 28-nation bloc.


BOLIVIAN ANGER


Bolivia, which is part of a Venezuelan-led leftist alliance which has challenged U.S. political and economic influence in Latin America, denounced the Austrian action as an act of aggression and violation of international law.


"We have no doubt that it was an order from the White House," ambassador Llorenti said. "By no means should a diplomatic plane with the president be diverted from its route and forced to land in another country."


Bolivia will lodge a complaint at the United Nations.
Austria said however that Morales had agreed to a voluntary inspection of the plane. Deputy Chancellor Michael Spindelegger confirmed Snowden had not been on the plane.
"Our colleagues from the airport had a look and can give assurances that no one is on board who is not a Bolivian citizen," Spindelegger told reporters at Vienna airport.
Bolivia is among more than a dozen countries where Snowden has sought asylum and Morales has said he would consider granting the American refuge if requested.
But his options have narrowed since he arrived in Moscow from Hong Kong with no valid travel documents after the United States revoked his passport.
Five countries have rejected granting Snowden asylum, seven have said they would consider a request if made on their soil, and eight said they had either not made a decision or not received a request.


U.S. President Barack Obama has warned that an offer of asylum from a country would carry serious costs.
Russian President Vladimir Putin is unwilling to send Snowden to the United States, with whom Russia has no extradition treaty. But he is also reluctant to damage ties over a man for whom Putin, a former KGB spy, has little sympathy.


INTOLERABLE


Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, who was also in Moscow for the energy conference, said on Tuesday Snowden deserved the world's protection for divulging details of U.S. spying.
Maduro said he would consider any asylum application from Snowden, who worked for the National Security Agency as a contractor in Hawaii.
In a move indicative of the international fall-out from the revelations, France called for a delay in talks between the European Union and the United States on a free trade accord.
Government spokeswoman Najat Vallaud-Belkacem said Paris did not want to halt the negotiations on a deal that could boost the EU and U.S. economies by more than $100 billion each per year.
"On the other hand, it would seem wise to us to suspend them for a couple of weeks to avoid any controversy and have the time to obtain the information we've asked for," she said.
The European Commission in Brussels and Germany both said they wanted the first round of talks to start as scheduled on Monday in Washington.
The EU has demanded the United States explain a German magazine report that Washington was spying on the bloc, calling such surveillance shocking if true. French President Francois Hollande said the alleged action was intolerable and could hinder U.S. relations with Paris and the EU.

JohnQPublic
3rd July 2013, 07:53 AM
Someone in a high position somewhere in the US and/or allies governments is really afraid of something they suspect Snowden has.

Libertytree
3rd July 2013, 08:00 AM
With the US pulling this type of tactic I think it will only serve to piss off one of the countries that was on the fence about offering Snowden asylum. Plus, they have to be wondering the same thing as you JQP, what does he have or know that they are willing to cause an international event for?

palani
3rd July 2013, 08:04 AM
It certainly is not a breach of sovereignty if the President of Bolivia actually agreed to the search.

Same principle if you are asked by a coppiceman if you would mind him searching your car.

Cebu_4_2
3rd July 2013, 08:05 AM
This has got to be one of the biggest events in a while, OR it is all distraction from Bush and Fly Hustlers arrest warrants for war crimes.

Cebu_4_2
3rd July 2013, 08:06 AM
It certainly is not a breach of sovereignty if the President of Bolivia actually agreed to the search.

Same principle if you are asked by a coppiceman if you would mind him searching your car.

Sounded like he would be detained indefinitely unless he voluntarily participate.

palani
3rd July 2013, 08:09 AM
Sounded like he would be detained indefinitely unless he voluntarily participate.

Yeah ... that is how 'voluntary' works. Now if he actually had not agreed to the search and been indefinitely detained he would have a case.

The man doesn't have a proper handle on contract negotiation.

JohnQPublic
3rd July 2013, 08:18 AM
Yeah ... that is how 'voluntary' works. Now if he actually had not agreed to the search and been indefinitely detained he would have a case.

The man doesn't have a proper handle on contract negotiation.

I think the issue is he needed to land the plane, or have it crash into the ground or ocean. Negotiating under these circumstances becomes a bit tricky. "umm... we are almost out of fuel, do we have permission to land in Vienna?". "Sure, can we take a peek in your cargo hold as a condition?".

palani
3rd July 2013, 08:22 AM
I think the issue is he needed to land the plane, or have it crash into the ground or ocean. Negotiating under these circumstances becomes a bit tricky. "umm... we are almost out of fuel, do we have permission to land in Vienna?". "Sure, can we take a peek in your cargo hold as a condition?".

"No. You don't have my permission to search the plane. How about we circle the airfield until we run out of fuel and then we will declare an in-flight emergency and land anyway?"

JohnQPublic
3rd July 2013, 08:49 AM
"No. You don't have my permission to search the plane. How about we circle the airfield until we run out of fuel and then we will declare an in-flight emergency and land anyway?"

Or maybe- No, you cannot search my plane. I will be circling your residence so you don't forget about me while you decide. Your backyard garden would make a decent emergency landing strip.

Libertytree
3rd July 2013, 08:58 AM
Negotiations my happy ass! Bullshit. Negotiating at the end of a gun barrel is not negotiation, it's intimidation.

At the very least this was a US directed "message" to any who might consider taking Snowden in.

madfranks
3rd July 2013, 09:19 AM
Someone in a high position somewhere in the US and/or allies governments is really afraid of something they suspect Snowden has.

Yes, which is why I wish Snowden would release the info now before (if) he's caught!!! Snowden himself said he has more info to leak, so what's he waiting for? Release it!

Twisted Titan
3rd July 2013, 09:33 AM
Could you friggen imagin the uproar if on a trip from aboard The Halfrican was forced to.land Airforce one i. Anotger country and get his planed searched for a fugitive?

Are you shitting me?

JohnQPublic
3rd July 2013, 11:39 AM
...so what's he waiting for?

A place to live. I suspect if he were to "disappear", it would get released automatically.

JohnQPublic
3rd July 2013, 11:40 AM
Could you friggen imagin the uproar if on a trip from aboard The Halfrican was forced to.land Airforce one i. Anotger country and get his planed searched for a fugitive?

Are you shitting me?

Ummm..., but the president of Ecuador is beneath the world's Emperor, Caesarus Obamus Bidenus.

gunDriller
3rd July 2013, 02:13 PM
Could you friggen imagin the uproar if on a trip from aboard The Halfrican was forced to.land Airforce one i. Anotger country and get his planed searched for a fugitive?

Are you shitting me?

what would be the Get Out of Jail fee ? i guess that's called 'bail.'

do bail bondsmen accept Nobel Peace Prize's ?

Obama's Peace Prize is as TOTALLY WRONG as Kissinger's.

Libertarian_Guard
3rd July 2013, 08:45 PM
France apologises in Bolivia plane row......

France has apologised to Bolivia for refusing to allow President Evo Morales' jet into its airspace, blaming "conflicting information".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23174874

Glass
3rd July 2013, 09:15 PM
I don't think you can apologize for breaching international protocols on diplomacy. Done deal. Seems like the world is lining up on 2 maybe 3 sides at the moment. The world against the US (and subsequently the commonwealth) on 2 fronts. The middle east against the "West" as they call it and then the SouthAm countries starting with Ecuador, Venezuela and now Bolivia.

I get the feeling that an "iron curtain" might be being raised around the US at the moment. This may be the start of events that shut the US in.

Twisted Titan
3rd July 2013, 09:46 PM
That is a very plausible scenario.

Couple that with that fact that millions are jobless.

plenty of fodder for The War Machine