This really is The Twilight Zone

[Twisted Titan]

Im walking to a local corner and was waiting on line with my nick nacks and to the side where they have all their legal mumbo jumbo for various lisences ( Milk , Liquor, Tobbaco etc)

I saw what I thought was a lisecnce that I ve NEVER seen before and I was sure my mind was playing tricks on me.

It was Liscence for a Alarm system.

I said to my self there must be something more to this . Like they must be getting one installed and they had to file something while the installation was talking place.

I put it out my mind.

Later today I stopped at 3 different stores for drinks.

Sure as sh!t each of them had a liscence for a alarm.





I am still trying to wrap my head around this one.

Crime is bad and getting worse ......bumping off a corner store is a certainy its just a matter of when and how many times.

Cops have no responsible to Protect you or your property.

Getting a firearm is like a getting majic Unicorn

So the next logical step is to get a alarm system.


But you have to get a licesnce to protect your Property?

What the hell happens if you put and alarm but dont get a lisence??


You have to pay a fine or be imprisoned???

WTF.




This really is the twilight zone

[Shami-Amourae]

Make an alarm system like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PPqAVhtYg8


By the way, do you live in a Blue state or something?

[vacuum]

My guess would be that those alarm systems automatically call the police. I would imagine you could put an alarm system in that set of a siren, but to automatically call the police perhaps they want a license for that?

[Twisted Titan]

I wanted to ask the owner about it but I didnt want him to think I was trying to gather intel on his establishment

[Mouse]

stop drinking frothy death impregnated drinks?

[brosil]

It's all about the money. The .gov wants to be paid for everything you do. I believe the Beatles had a song about that.

[Twisted Titan]

I would just love to see on state letter head why is it i must pay a fee to proctect what is mines.



Kinda like a while a go The local Fire Department sent out letters requesting the contact info of owner of record and with it was a remittance portion where i was suppose to pay a fee for 50.00

I sent a letter back with contact info (They already had) and a note saying To forward the bill to city hall and have them take it out my property taxes.


I never heard anything again

[VX1]

The Land of the Fee, Home of the Naive!

[Ponce]

In CA my alarm went off by accident when I wasent there (I think that it was my cat)........anyway........it cost me $50.00 for a false alarm for the cops to take a look around........I really didn't mind.

V

[Blink]

Not necessarily a license, but, a permit. Because of the amount of false alarms (user error), the police need to establish if you have a legal installation (permits once again like any other trade). It also offsets the cost of showing up for absolutely f*ck all. A lot of cities are adopting a policy that the police will not respond unless you have a permit. Just more bullsh*t regulation and money grab really. There are also additional charges on top of that (varies from company to company) for "false alarms" like Ponce mentioned above. This program has been slowly implemented over the last couple of years and it'll probably end up being the norm everywhere. If you want to have someone (cops/alarm investigators) show up to make sure your sh*t is ok, then you're gonna have to pay for it.........

[Twisted Titan]

Well at least that seems a bit more plausible

Thanx for explaining

[messianicdruid]

Positive Control

When something is very dangerous, like nuclear weapons, standard forms of protection and control aren't sufficient.

Something that potentially dangerous needs something more aggressive.

In the military, that's called positive control.

Positive control is an active form of control where the dangerous item is under 24x7x365 monitoring, checking, patrolling, testing, etc.

In this type of system, no information = danger. Alarm bells sound when the feeds and system checks monitoring the item go dark.

This is the opposite of the type of security and law enforcement we're used to in our daily lives. These systems are best described as negative control systems.

Negative control systems are focused on detecting exceptions. A crime. Good behavior is expected. As a result, this system only takes action when a failure occurs.

Positive security and People

Positive security can apply to people too, if they are dangerous enough.

NOTE: When I was the Internet guru at Forrester Research over decade ao, we had an analyst day that discussed dangerous knowledge. The conclusion? Someday, technology and the knowledge of how to use it will become so dangerous that education would become a controlled substance. Granted, I influenced that conclusion, since I had experience working with people in the past who were under "positive" control. Most were in black programs, but one was a physics instructor who designed nuclear weapons (shaped charges, x-ray, etc.) as a profession.

We've even designed corporate environments where every movement is being tracked (keystrokes and other forms of Taylorism) to determine whether people are doing the busy work they were tasked with.

However, those situations are only possible because they are limited in scope.

We've always assumed, despite the fears stoked by fiction like "1984", that positive control wasn't likely more nightmare than reality.

So far, the attempts to apply positive control to complete societies in the past have fallen far short, even with an aggressive application of technology. Bureaucratic forms of dictitorial governance like communism and fascism never reached the level of active surveillance required for true positive control. Further, the process of attempting it undermined their ability to deliver robust growth over the long term.

How quickly things change. We're now actively moving towards a society, and a world, founded on positive control.

Why? Paranoia over terrorism, a massive national security infrastructure, and new technology has made it not only possible, but probable.

So, let me lay it out in simple terms.

Here's a framework that will allow you to put the stuff you read in the news into context.

From hat bans to NSA leaks about surveillance programs.

Problem: Everybody on the planet IS a potential terrorist.

Solution: Put everybody on the planet under positive control.

Positive control means the continuous monitoring.
•Location GPS phone. Implied by utility use (smart grid). Car GPS. CCTV. Facial recognition everywhere. Social media data.
•Network Phone. Social media connections. Proximity. Network analysis.
•Behavior Economic activity. Utility use. Content use. Usage monitoring.

In the case of positive control, any lack of activity or lapse in data flow is considered a dangerous act.

Try to hide = something to hide.

Any blocking of monitoring will be made illegal and a major crime.

Multiple systems with overlapping control will provide a complete cradle to grave blanket.

There's no way to avoid this. It's already here and nobody cares.

Sincerely,

JOHN ROBB

http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2013/06/positive-control-means-the-end-of-freedom.html

[Hitch]

But you have to get a licesnce to protect your Property?

What the hell happens if you put and alarm but dont get a lisence??

TT, think about it this way. When you install an alarm that alerts the authorities, you really aren't protecting your property. You are asking others (police) to protect your property.

The Koreans sitting on their shops rooftops with guns during the LA riots, they were really protecting their property.

If you owned a shop, you probably could install a silent alarm without needing a license that alerts only you. Then, you and a few friends could arrest the burglars yourselves. In fact, I might lean towards that way myself if I owned a shop. Make the arrest yourself, then just have the cops take the guy to jail while you press charges against him.

We need more citizens arrests. People I don't think understand that they, themselves, have a lot of rights to take matters into their own hands and protect themselves.

[Twisted Titan]

Make the arrest yourself, then just have the cops take the guy to jail while you press charges against him.



I got quite a chuckle out of that one.


If you do the above mentioned there is a 100% certAINY the scum bag is going to lawyer up and sue for violating HIS rights.

When you think about it.

He will get a bigger cut of money working WITH the legal system then if he was trying to going it alone.




Its sounds good in theroy but how the reality plays out will be much much different