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Twisted Titan
18th July 2013, 02:41 PM
The target of Vietnam (http://topics.bloomberg.com/vietnam/)’s campaign to stabilize its currency is in the locked bedroom wardrobe of retired civil servant Vu Thi Huong: gold bars.
“It’s been my habit for ages, buying gold whenever I can save up some money,” said Huong, 57, who watches the financial news every day to monitor the price of the precious metal. “With gold, I can save my fortune and later on have something valuable to pass down to my children and grandchildren.”



Huong is among millions of Vietnamese who hold an estimated 300 tons to 400 tons of bullion to store their wealth -- valued at as much as $19 billion at domestic prices and equal to official U.K. holdings -- a legacy of more than a century of war, revolution and economic turbulence. The central bank wants to convert the hoard, much of it smuggled in, into dong deposits to strengthen the currency, which has slid 21 percent against the dollar in five years.




Private gold holdings “reflect both the Vietnamese cultural values as well as the lack of confidence in the dong,” said Trinh Nguyen (http://topics.bloomberg.com/trinh-nguyen/), Hong Kong-based economist at HSBC Holdings Plc. “High inflation and depreciation of the dong in the past have caused people to keep their savings in gold.”




Demand for bullion prompts importers and smugglers to sell dong for dollars to buy gold from abroad, depressing the local currency, Michael Kokalari and Hang Vu, analysts at Maybank Kim Eng Securities in Ho Chi Minh City, wrote in a note July 3.
Storing GoldTo reduce contraband and persuade people to sell their bullion, the central bank made itself the sole importer and Saigon Jewelry Co. the only legal producer of gold bars. To discourage people from holding the precious metal, it banned banks from paying interest on gold deposits from June 30. Banks now have to charge customers a fee for storing it instead.




The central bank has held gold auctions since March, selling 1.17 million taels, or about 44 tons, according to bank data. Nguyen Quang Huy, head of the central bank’s foreign-currency management department, said in a posting on the bank’s website in April that banks would prioritize the purchase of gold from auctions to close their positions by the June deadline.




State Bank (http://topics.bloomberg.com/state-bank/) of Vietnam will reduce the volume and frequency of auctions because banks have bought enough gold to return gold deposits, the Tien Phong newspaper reported last week, citing an unidentified central bank official.
Gold Policy“The gold policy really is to help stabilize the dong because if people hold less gold, they don’t try to move away from the dong,” said Alan Pham, chief economist at VinaCapital Group in Ho Chi Minh City. “The side effect of that policy is increasing the amount of capital. That’s like hitting two birds with one stone.”




Monetizing private gold holdings isn’t the only measure the State Bank of Vietnam is pursuing to shore up the dong and increase cash deposits with lenders. The central bank said it will set up an asset-management company this month to buy non-performing loans from banks “to resolve bad debts and boost credit growth to a reasonable level to support the economy.”




Extensive use of gold and dollars is hampering the central bank’s ability to manage monetary policy, HSBC’s Nguyen said. “The holding of gold does not generate productive investment.”




While the central bank devalued the dong last month for the first time since 2011 as the dollar strengthened, it cut the interest-rate cap on dollar deposits to discourage people from holding U.S. currency and help boost foreign-exchange reserves.
Indian EffortsOther countries with large private gold holdings are also trying to wean citizens off bullion. India (http://topics.bloomberg.com/india/), the biggest gold consumer, has increased import duties (http://topics.bloomberg.com/import-duties/) and a trade group called for suspension of sales of coins and bars to retail investors to help narrow a record current-account deficit that pushed the rupee to an all-time low. During the Great Depression in 1933, President F.D. Roosevelt banned U.S. citizens from hoarding gold (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Executive_Order_6102.jpg), forcing them to sell to the Federal Reserve (http://topics.bloomberg.com/federal-reserve/).




“The State Bank of Vietnam can buy gold to pump out dong to serve as funds for socioeconomic development,” Huy of the central bank said on state television July 4. The central bank didn’t respond to written questions from Bloomberg News about its gold policy.




Vietnam’s central bank wants to convince savers that it’s more lucrative to hold assets other than gold, which means boosting their confidence in the dong, said an SBV official who asked not to be identified as the plans are still being discussed.
Record PremiumThat argument has been helped in the past nine months by a 27 percent slump in the world gold price, compared with a 1.8 percent drop in the dong against the dollar in the same period. Before the metal began to decline in October, its price more than quadrupled in a decade, while the dong slid 27 percent. Vietnam’s currency traded at 21,228 per dollar at 11:30 a.m. local time today.




Gold deposits at Vietnam’s banks dropped 75 percent as of the end of May from the end of 2012, according to a June 12 statement on the government’s website.




Still, Vietnam’s affinity for gold, combined with the central bank’s rules restricting imports, meant Vietnamese buyers paid a record premium of more than 6 million dong per tael ($235 an ounce) over the world price in April when the precious metal tumbled into a bear market (http://topics.bloomberg.com/bear-market/). Saigon Jewelry gold bars sold for 37.58 million dong a tael at 4:45 p.m. local time, according to data from the company. A tael is about 1.2 ounces.
‘Deeply Ingrained’The differential between world and domestic prices encourages smuggling. About 50 tons to 60 tons of gold were legally imported to produce bars each year in Vietnam prior to 2012, while some 50 tons to 70 tons were smuggled in, according to a central bank report this year.




Vietnam bought 77 tons of gold last year, both legal and smuggled, down 24 percent from 2011, the producer-funded World Gold Council said in a report in February. The U.K.’s official holdings in July were 310.3 tons, the World Gold Council (http://www.gold.org/download/value/stats/statistics/archive/pdf/World_Official_Gold_Holdings_as_of_April2013_IFS.p df) said.



“These habits are deeply ingrained,” said Jonathan Pincus, an economist with the Harvard Kennedy School’s Vietnam Program in Ho Chi Minh City (http://topics.bloomberg.com/ho-chi-minh-city/). “It’s going to take a long time.”



The central bank’s bullion rules combined with price swings in the gold market are starting to affect people’s attitude toward the metal, particularly in larger transactions such as property deals, said Nguyen Van Doanh, 39, a real estate broker in Hanoi (http://topics.bloomberg.com/hanoi/) since 2005.




“In the past, gold prices (http://topics.bloomberg.com/gold-prices/) were pretty stable, everything with a large value such as houses, land, cars were priced in gold,” Doanh said. “Given the changes in gold prices, together with the government restrictions in gold-bar trading, it’s no longer safe and convenient to use.”



Nguyen Thuy Huong, 64, is marketing her five-story house in downtown Hanoi for 7 billion dong ($330,000). She bought the house seven years ago for 190 taels of gold.



“I can’t price it in gold since nobody would want to pay in gold these days,” said Huong, pointing at the advertisement of her home in a local newspaper. “If someone wants to pay me in gold, I’m not going to take it either.”

Twisted Titan
18th July 2013, 02:46 PM
“With gold, I can save my fortune and later on have something valuable to pass down to my children and grandchildren.”




Imagine that:

A elder of the family is trying to secure a financial headstart for her youngest ones.

Spectrism
18th July 2013, 03:32 PM
So, what she is saying is:

Gold under the mattress is better than dong in your hand.
Drop your dong and hold your gold.
When the dong drops gold grips.

Serpo
18th July 2013, 04:14 PM
Yes they know or woke up ....something like this ...............Ding Dong

chad
18th July 2013, 04:35 PM
So, what she is saying is:

Gold under the mattress is better than dong in your hand.
Drop your dong and hold your gold.
When the dong drops gold grips.

+1 for best mamboni imitation ever.

osoab
18th July 2013, 06:58 PM
This was a real headline on BBG.

Frontrunning: July 15 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-15/frontrunning-july-15)

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Submitted by Tyler Durden (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden) on 07/15/2013 07:37 -0400




An actual Bloomberg headline: Granny’s Gold Bars Are Key to Vietnam Push to Boost Dong (BBG (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-14/granny-s-gold-bars-are-key-to-vietnam-push-to-boost-dong.html))
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Portugal's Parties Set Deadline for Pact (WSJ (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324348504578607130751732400.html))
Corporate Spending Set to Surge in U.S. (BBG (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-14/corporate-spending-set-to-surge-in-u-s-.html))... or not at all based on the actual corporate data
Bernanke Boom Signaled by Yield Surge as Market Recalculates (BBG (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-15/bernanke-boom-signaled-by-yield-surge-as-market-recalculates-1-.html))
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Hypertiger
18th July 2013, 08:11 PM
In 1944 Bretton woods made the US dollar the global trade medium of exchange...and all the rest of the currencies were fixed to the US Dollar but that made them all a derivative of the US dollar.

Vietnam's currency has lost strength the last 5 years...because the from 1944 to 2008 The US population was demanding the supply of US Dollars to inflate by around 7.9% per year.

From 1991-2005 there was a real estate boom in the USA that was producing massive amounts of US dollars that were being exported out of the USA in ever greater amounts.

But then after 14 years of exponential growth the USA ran out of people willing and able to sign on the dotted line to create credit and the boom collapsed which cut off the magic printing press and the supply of US Dollars stop inflating and began deflating.

The supply of US Dollars into Vietnam has been slowly drying up...While the production of Vietnamese currency has not stopped.

Less US Dollars bidding up the dong is causing the value in relation to the US Dollar to collapse.

The supply of US dollars has been cut to the rest of the world since 2008.

It's why China and India are slowing down and the EU is collapsing and the Middle east is imploding.

For the past 5 years the US money supply has been inflating by under 2%.

Because Bretton woods, that supposedly collapsed in 1971, did not....but since 2008 Has been collapsing along with the rest of the world.

All the chaos is being staged managed as cover...it's an effect of the collapse that is being promoted as the cause.

Like in Egypt...The revolution was ignited to cover the collapse of the Egyptian economy/pound and now they have both sides in the revolution blaming each other for the economic problems and they like the Vietnamese do not know the cause.

The population thinks the effect just before the collapse is the cause of the collapse but the collapse is just an effect that happened following the effect.

like in the USA...The official story is that money was leant to people that could not pay it back and that is the cause of the collapse.

But the cause of the collapse was the USA running out of people willing and able to sign on the dotted line to request the banks to inflate the supply of credit after 14 years of consumption of people willing and able to sign on the dotted line to sustain inflation of the US dollar supply.

Uncle Salty
18th July 2013, 09:52 PM
Women like hard gold, not weak dongs.

Uncle Salty
18th July 2013, 09:54 PM
In 1944 Bretton woods made the US dollar the global trade medium of exchange...and all the rest of the currencies were fixed to the US Dollar but that made them all a derivative of the US dollar.

Vietnam's currency has lost strength the last 5 years...because the from 1944 to 2008 The US population was demanding the supply of US Dollars to inflate by around 7.9% per year.

From 1991-2005 there was a real estate boom in the USA that was producing massive amounts of US dollars that were being exported out of the USA in ever greater amounts.

But then after 14 years of exponential growth the USA ran out of people willing and able to sign on the dotted line to create credit and the boom collapsed which cut off the magic printing press and the supply of US Dollars stop inflating and began deflating.

The supply of US Dollars into Vietnam has been slowly drying up...While the production of Vietnamese currency has not stopped.

Less US Dollars bidding up the dong is causing the value in relation to the US Dollar to collapse.

The supply of US dollars has been cut to the rest of the world since 2008.

It's why China and India are slowing down and the EU is collapsing and the Middle east is imploding.

For the past 5 years the US money supply has been inflating by under 2%.

Because Bretton woods, that supposedly collapsed in 1971, did not....but since 2008 Has been collapsing along with the rest of the world.

All the chaos is being staged managed as cover...it's an effect of the collapse that is being promoted as the cause.

Like in Egypt...The revolution was ignited to cover the collapse of the Egyptian economy/pound and now they have both sides in the revolution blaming each other for the economic problems and they like the Vietnamese do not know the cause.

The population thinks the effect just before the collapse is the cause of the collapse but the collapse is just an effect that happened following the effect.

like in the USA...The official story is that money was leant to people that could not pay it back and that is the cause of the collapse.

But the cause of the collapse was the USA running out of people willing and able to sign on the dotted line to request the banks to inflate the supply of credit after 14 years of consumption of people willing and able to sign on the dotted line to sustain inflation of the US dollar supply.

I am disappointed.

You could have just said the top sucks the bottom dry and the bottom is really dry right now. Rinse and repeat.

chud
18th July 2013, 11:23 PM
Holy Mackerel, a post from HyperTiger! I didn't know he was still alive.
Reading that takes me back to the old days of GiM1.

Hypertiger
19th July 2013, 01:06 AM
The winners live off the yield from the losers.

Allow me to take more power from another than I give an I care not who makes or breaks the rules of the game you all are playing.

Because eventually all the power is sucked from the hands of the many into the hands of the few or one.

Then they who have the power will make and break the rules of the game all are playing.

People.

Or want to be gods have no ability to make or break LAW

All that people have the power to do is make and break rules and call rules LAW

But if a rule attempts to break LAW

LAW will break the rule.

You can manipulate the Universe however you desire as long as you do not get caught breaking a rule or attempt to break LAW.

If it is against the rules to disappoint you.

I broke that rule.

Are you disappointed that I broke a rule or that that it is against the rules to disappoint you?

And if following the rules does not disappoint you. Then what rule have I broken to cause you to be disappointed to the point that you decided to manipulate the Universe enough to get my attention?