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Serpo
20th July 2013, 03:42 PM
It's the REAL thing: How tastier 'Mexican Coke' made with cane sugar has become a hit among those in the know By Margot Peppers (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Margot+Peppers)
PUBLISHED: 18:51 GMT, 18 July 2013 | UPDATED: 07:42 GMT, 19 July 2013








A version of Coca-Cola which is made with real cane sugar, rather than high-fructose corn syrup, has become the beverage of choice among trendy New Yorkers.
The U.S. uses the cheaper sweetener in its sodas because of government-imposed importation laws that make sugar more expensive here than in any other country.
But fans of Mexican Coke, as it is often called because it is bottled south of the border, say that this 'purer' soda is superior in both taste and quality - even if it costs a little extra.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/18/article-2368972-1AE0D790000005DC-323_634x609.jpg Soda wars: Fans of Mexican Coke (right), say that this 'purer' soda, which contains cane sugar, is superior - even if it costs a little extra than the American version (left), made with high-fructose corn syrup


Indeed, a Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/mexicancocacola)page dedicated to the non-American version of the drink has amassed nearly 10,000 fans. 'It's better,' says the fan page. 'Ask anyone.'
Cane sugar Coke hasn't been widely produced in the U.S. since 1985, when the soda company switched it out for high-fructose corn syrup.
Since the federal government provides a subsidy for corn farmers, there is an abundance of corn at a low price, much of which is converted into high-fructose corn syrup.
The syrup, which tastes nearly identical to real sugar, is then used to sweeten everything from sodas and fruit-flavored drinks to cereals and yogurts.



Cane sugar Coke has become a cult favorite in recent years, however, with grocery stores and restaurants across the country choosing to import the drink from Mexico.
In Williamsburg, Brooklyn, the hipster capital of New York City, loyal fans of the sugared drink pay up to $3.50 for a bottle.
Adalis Velez, owner of East Williamsburg taco joint La Gringa, which sells Mexican Coke for $2.25, told DNAInfo (http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130717/williamsburg/new-yorkers-enjoy-mexican-coca-cola): 'Our customers actually love Mexican Coke.

'At first I thought it was just the hype or the nostalgia of the glass bottle, but after drinking it I realized there was something to all the madness. For me, it’s smoother, sweeter and colder.'

And in May 2011, Momofuku chef David Chang defended his decision to price a bottle of Mexican Coke at $5, after an angry customer complained.

'Mexican Coke = hard to obtain in NYC + costs $' the chef responded via Twitter.
Here at Femail, we ordered a few bottles from Molcajete Taqueria in NoHo, at $2.50 a pop, to compare and contrast with a bottle of regular American Coke.
We found that while most said they preferred the Mexican version when they could see which was which, half failed to correctly identify the two drinks when they did a blind test.

SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AMERICAN AND MEXICAN COKE?Femail ordered a few bottles from Molcajete Taqueria in NoHo, at $2.50 a pop, to compare and contrast with a bottle of regular American Coke.
When the taste-testers knew which version they were drinking, the overall consensus was that the Mexican version, while more watery than its American counterpart, tasted more 'naturally sweet'.
By contrast, the high-fructose corn syrup-infused beverage was said to have a more 'synthetic' taste. 'It makes your mouth feel sour and bitter,' explained one person.
After sipping the two drinks from unnamed cups, however, half of our taste-testers said they preferred the Mexican Coke, while the other half stuck to the American version.
The ratio of people who correctly guessed which soda was which was also split in half.


Indeed, a 2010 Food Politics (http://www.foodpolitics.com/2010/10/new-study-hfcs-sweetened-drinks-higher-in-fructose-than-expected/) study suggested that there may not be a difference at all between the two versions.
Researchers who examined a sample of Mexican Coke could not find any sucrose in it, but they 'did find plenty of glucose and fructose'.
They noted that their findings meant either that Mexican Coke is also made with high-fructose corn syrup, or that the bottle had aged, causing the sucrose to 'invert' into its constituent glucose and fructose.

In any case, Mexican Coke aficionados often praise their preferred drink for being healthier, a claim that is disputed among experts.

A 2004 study, published by researchers at the Pennington Biomedical Research Center (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15051594) of Louisiana State University, stated that high-fructose corn syrup is a significant factor in America's obesity epidemic.
But according to the Mayo Clinic (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-fructose-corn-syrup/AN01588), 'there's insufficient evidence to say that high-fructose corn syrup is any less healthy than other types of sweeteners'.
Whether or not it is healthier, tastier, or even any different at all, Mexican Coke's trend status is undeniable.
And for those who don't want to shell out for the imported drink, there is another alternative: Coca-Cola switches their formula to real sugar once a year during Jewish Passover, when observant Jews aren't allowed to eat corn.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2368972/How-tastier-Mexican-Coke-cane-sugar-hit-know.html#ixzz2Zd1CqK8m

midnight rambler
20th July 2013, 03:52 PM
I noticed Mexican Coke in Costco recently.

Cebu_4_2
20th July 2013, 03:56 PM
No refund bottles too. I notice a difference and so does the family. We are probably more sensitive to the BS they put in food, we avoid most crap.

brosil
20th July 2013, 04:04 PM
Some of the Speedway gas stations along Lake Erie have Mexican Coke and Fanta. If I want industrial waste, I drink Pepsi Throwback, also sweetened with cane. I like the Fanta, though. It has a nice clean taste, not cloying.

Celtic Rogue
20th July 2013, 04:18 PM
I see the cane sugar cokes during the jewish holidays as I believe that HFCS is not kosher!

Cebu_4_2
20th July 2013, 04:31 PM
I see the cane sugar cokes during the jewish holidays as I believe that HFCS is not kosher!

It states that jews aren't allowed corn.

midnight rambler
20th July 2013, 04:37 PM
I'd rather drink this soft drink -

http://reedsinc.com/product/virgils-root-beer/

Serpo
20th July 2013, 04:38 PM
It states that jews aren't allowed corn.


There is a corny joke in there somewhere

Shami-Amourae
20th July 2013, 04:55 PM
Avoid sugar period. Don't drink soda.

osoab
20th July 2013, 07:14 PM
Avoid sugar period. Don't drink soda.

Unless it's fermented. ;)

Shami-Amourae
20th July 2013, 07:38 PM
Unless it's fermented. ;)

Example?

Libertytree
20th July 2013, 07:43 PM
Some folks swear by it, a dude use to come in the liquor store and would tip me $20 to stash whatever we got in and sell it to him. I'm a believer :)

madfranks
20th July 2013, 08:14 PM
I tried a Mexican coke once, to me the difference is that it comes in a glass bottle and hasn't been cooked in plastic like the US version.

MNeagle
20th July 2013, 08:30 PM
Pepsi is making several varieties w/ sugar: Pepsi Throwback, Mt. Dew w/ sugar, etc. Not glass bottles, but available.

zap
20th July 2013, 08:53 PM
Don't drink soda ! drink water.

Cebu_4_2
20th July 2013, 08:55 PM
I tried a Mexican coke once, to me the difference is that it comes in a glass bottle and hasn't been cooked in plastic like the US version.

Yes no plastic taste. If you drink a bit from glass and then try the plastic version you can taste the plastic, or something gross.

Publico
21st July 2013, 03:08 AM
The local supermarket has Mexican Coke in 16.9 oz. bottles for $1.50 (one liter). The bottle size reminds me back in the day when soda came in 8 - 16 oz. bottles with a nickel deposit on each bottle.

The Throwback Pepsi and Mountain Dew are available in 12 oz. bottles and cans as well as in 20 oz plastic bottles.

Down1
21st July 2013, 06:27 AM
Come Passover season I always become an honorary "chosen one" and buy the yellow cap Coke if I can find the stuff.
I find the cane sugar makes the Coke to be not as sweet, but still crisp unlike high fructose crap syrup.
I believe you can get cane sugar Coke from Belgium also.

Pepsi throwback is made with some beat sugar.
I have not looked at the Pepsi in a glass bottle to see what kind of sugar is in that.

Ares
21st July 2013, 09:41 AM
I do like Pepsi and consider it my weakness. But I drink maybe a can or 2 a month and it is Pepsi throwback. Once in a while isn't bad, its when it is part of your every day diet that that stuff will kill you.

Cebu_4_2
21st July 2013, 11:27 AM
The local supermarket has Mexican Coke in 16.9 oz. bottles for $1.50 (one liter). The bottle size reminds me back in the day when soda came in 8 - 16 oz. bottles with a nickel deposit on each bottle.

The Throwback Pepsi and Mountain Dew are available in 12 oz. bottles and cans as well as in 20 oz plastic bottles.

Never saw Mexican Coke in 16.9oz bottles, only the 12oz and never a deposit in several different states.

JohnQPublic
21st July 2013, 11:36 AM
I have to go with the "don't drink soda" crowd. I am not a prude, but if Dr. Lustig is right (and at this point I believe he is), it is just not worth it.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?67895-Sugar-The-Bitter-Truth-%28excellent%

Cebu_4_2
21st July 2013, 11:44 AM
Your link didn't work out all that well...


There have been no posts in the last 1 days in this forum. Try using the controls below to search for any older posts that may exist.

skidmark
21st July 2013, 12:07 PM
I do like Pepsi and consider it my weakness. But I drink maybe a can or 2 a month and it is Pepsi throwback. Once in a while isn't bad, its when it is part of your every day diet that that stuff will kill you.

Pepsi uses aborted fetal cells as flavor enhancers.....

http://www.realfarmacy.com/pepsico-says-it-will-halt-use-of-aborted-fetal-cells-in-flavor-research/

JohnQPublic
21st July 2013, 12:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCQIGiXf0JA

Neuro
21st July 2013, 12:43 PM
I think red wine is a way more healthier drink, than pretty much anything you could buy at the store to drink, loads of antioxidants, excellent blood sugar profile, no flouride, and it makes you happy and relaxed too! Totally natural! Probably a good idea to stock up on pre-2011 (before Fukushima) red wine now, if you're primary source is North American. I think Southern Hemisphere (Chile, South Africa and Australia) and European wines are pretty safe, after 2011, and possibly North American too. But red wine should always be more trustworthy than soda...

Cebu_4_2
21st July 2013, 12:52 PM
I think red wine is a way more healthier drink, than pretty much anything you could buy at the store to drink, loads of antioxidants, excellent blood sugar profile, no flouride, and it makes you happy and relaxed too! Totally natural! Probably a good idea to stock up on pre-2011 (before Fukushima) red wine now, if you're primary source is North American. I think Southern Hemisphere (Chile, South Africa and Australia) and European wines are pretty safe, after 2011, and possibly North American too. But red wine should always be more trustworthy than soda...

Aren't sulfites bad?

gunDriller
21st July 2013, 01:37 PM
I have to go with the "don't drink soda" crowd. I am not a prude, but if Dr. Lustig is right (and at this point I believe he is), it is just not worth it.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?67895-Sugar-The-Bitter-Truth-%28excellent%

i used to drink a Sierra Mist and a Mug Root Beer every day.

probably both of which use HFCS.

but i had a bad dentist appointment (8 cavities) on October 28, 2008 and stopped Cold Turkey the next day. also started brushing twice a day - etc.

a week later Obama was elected.


if it would kick Obama & Biden out of the White House before 2017, i'd start drinking soda again.

sometimes i see bottles of "Old Coke" (the kind with the cane sugar, but not so old it has a trace of cocaine) at garage sales.

osoab
21st July 2013, 01:45 PM
I think red wine is a way more healthier drink, than pretty much anything you could buy at the store to drink, loads of antioxidants, excellent blood sugar profile, no flouride, and it makes you happy and relaxed too! Totally natural! Probably a good idea to stock up on pre-2011 (before Fukushima) red wine now, if you're primary source is North American. I think Southern Hemisphere (Chile, South Africa and Australia) and European wines are pretty safe, after 2011, and possibly North American too. But red wine should always be more trustworthy than soda...

Any excuse for you to tip the bottle. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI3Bcgh4Jko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI3Bcgh4Jko

Serpo
21st July 2013, 02:41 PM
Don't drink soda ! drink water.

my favorite drink as well

Neuro
21st July 2013, 05:40 PM
Aren't sulfites bad?
Good point! It probably is! As I understand it, it is used as a kind of anti microbial in wine to prevent it from going bad. I wonder if it could be replaced with colloidal silver? I am planning to plant grapes at my land in Turkey, this autumn, to make my own wine, which would be ready for wine production around 2015-16. Even in the book about ecological wine making they stress that sulfite is a necessity, but not to use as much as big commercial producers, but it would be great if it could be replaced with colloidal silver... I'll research it...

Neuro
21st July 2013, 05:51 PM
Good point! It probably is! As I understand it, it is used as a kind of anti microbial in wine to prevent it from going bad. I wonder if it could be replaced with colloidal silver? I am planning to plant grapes at my land in Turkey, this autumn, to make my own wine, which would be ready for wine production around 2015-16. Even in the book about ecological wine making they stress that sulfite is a necessity, but not to use as much as big commercial producers, but it would be great if it could be replaced with colloidal silver... I'll research it...
Indeed it can be used instead of sulphur dioxide:
http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/colloidal-silver-complex-as-an-alternative-to-sulphur-dioxide-in-1E9M42lGt4

I will live to 120!

Son-of-Liberty
22nd July 2013, 09:09 AM
A version of Coca-Cola which is made with real cane sugar, rather than high-fructose corn syrup, has become the beverage of choice among trendy New Yorkers.
The U.S. uses the cheaper sweetener in its sodas because of government-imposed importation laws that make sugar more expensive here than in any other country.
But fans of Mexican Coke, as it is often called because it is bottled south of the border, say that this 'purer' soda is superior in both taste and quality - even if it costs a little extra.


So let me get this straight. The US government has to subsidize corn production and levy an importation tax on real sugar to make HFCS competitive?

What a fucking racket! and the health consequences of this are profound as well.

Seems like I get better at reading between the lines every day.

Libertytree
22nd July 2013, 09:31 AM
So let me get this straight. The US government has to subsidize corn production and levy an importation tax on real sugar to make HFCS competitive?

What a fucking racket! and the health consequences of this are profound as well.

Seems like I get better at reading between the lines every day.

Here's another kicker to add...They're paying people NOT to grow real sugar here in the US.

Son-of-Liberty
22nd July 2013, 09:38 AM
Didn't know about that either.

Is it just me or does that machinations of the corrupt system become glaringly obvious at some point?

Everyone bitches about people on welfare. That's nothing. This is corporate welfare at it's finest.

MNeagle
22nd July 2013, 09:49 AM
I thought they switched to HFCS since it was more shelf-stable & not as susceptible to temp. variations as sugar (& cheaper too). Or is that also bs?

Cebu_4_2
22nd July 2013, 10:05 AM
I thought they switched to HFCS since it was more shelf-stable & not as susceptible to temp. variations as sugar (& cheaper too). Or is that also bs?

I don't know why they switched but it's very hard to find anything made with sugar. Almost like a mandate or something. The sugar in the US has been made from sugar beets for a while and those are GMO. They do grow a little cane in FL and it's available at walmart, name is Florida Crystals and says organic. Watch the Stevia as most I found are a "blend" and not pure.

JohnQPublic
22nd July 2013, 12:09 PM
They switched to HFCS because it is a lot cheaper (I think even without cost subsidies). In either case, I do not think sucrose is any healthier than HFCS (or should I say HFCS is not less unhealthy than sucrose).

Son-of-Liberty
22nd July 2013, 09:58 PM
It says right in the article that sugar is cheaper.

HFCS is worse then sugar as far as I know. The liver processes fructose different then glucose. When the liver is full of glucose:; and most peoples livers are because they eat too much carbs and are sedentary so they don't tap into their liver reserves often; then fructose is turned into triglycerides by the liver and contributes to heart disease and fat storage.

Also I wonder what chemicals are needed to turn corn into sugar?

Wikipedia article says:


In the United States, HFCS is among the sweeteners that have primarily replaced sucrose (table sugar) in the food industry.[11] Factors for this include governmental production quotas of domestic sugar, subsidies of U.S. corn, and an import tariff on foreign sugar, all of which combine to raise the price of sucrose to levels above those of the rest of the world, making HFCS cheaper for many sweetener applications.

Cebu_4_2
22nd July 2013, 10:13 PM
It says right in the article that sugar is cheaper.

HFCS is worse then sugar as far as I know. The liver processes fructose different then glucose. When the liver is full of glucose:; and most peoples livers are because they eat too much carbs and are sedentary so they don't tap into their liver reserves often; then fructose is turned into triglycerides by the liver and contributes to heart disease and fat storage.

Also I wonder what chemicals are needed to turn corn into sugar?

Wikipedia article says:

I still think there is some mandate on this crap. Just like preservatives.

Son-of-Liberty
22nd July 2013, 10:39 PM
Well maybe not a written mandate but if they are rigging the price of this crap so food manufacturers have a financial incentive to use it then there might as well be a mandate.

Cebu_4_2
22nd July 2013, 11:19 PM
Well maybe not a written mandate but if they are rigging the price of this crap so food manufacturers have a financial incentive to use it then there might as well be a mandate.

True to a point. There are smaller companies that take pride in their products. One switched 2 years ago so I contacted them and said they didnt know why and wouldn't let me past the main desk to talk to anyone higher up in regards. I then mailed the inquiry and didn't get a response. This particular company specialized in salad dressings, some of the best I ever had, no preservatives etc. I first contacted them and was able to talk to someone in management to request them to get it in my area, 2 months later I got a letter thanking me and a new location to purchase the products. Then 2 years ago they made the switch.

I am going to try again to find out whats going on, internet searches aren't giving concise answers so far.

BrewTech
22nd July 2013, 11:33 PM
Avoid sugar period. Don't drink soda.

I agree, and I don't, but the quality of Coke made with sugar compared to HFCS is undeniable. I think that was the point.

Neuro
28th July 2013, 05:23 PM
Fructose is a absorbed quicker than glucose and sucrose in the bloodstream, so it gives more of a hit, and a more wildly swinging blood sugar, but I don't know how significant the difference is, best is probably to assume that anything refined is probably not that good for you...