US Knife Laws ................... V

[Ponce]

Very, very nice......lot of info.

Choose Your State

http://www.knifeup.com/knife-laws/

[7th trump]

Very, very nice......lot of info.

Choose Your State

http://www.knifeup.com/knife-laws/

Here in the state of Iowa you can carry any knife over 3 inches long that is if you have a carry permit.
"Weapon" isnt defined in the Iowa carry laws.
Its legal to carry an AR 15 on your person in view if you wish as long as you have a carry permit on your person.

[palani]

Here in the state of Iowa you can carry any knife over 3 inches long that is if you have a carry permit

You got a state issued permit for that machete you use to cut cornstalks?

How 'bout a chain saw? Can you go walking thru the mall with a concealed chainsaw?

I have a 6 inch fid (marlinspike ... wire working tool) I sometimes transport. I don't have a permit for it either.

[7th trump]

You got a state issued permit for that machete you use to cut cornstalks?

How 'bout a chain saw? Can you go walking thru the mall with a concealed chainsaw?

I have a 6 inch fid (marlinspike ... wire working tool) I sometimes transport. I don't have a permit for it either.

Believe it or not, but those same two questions came up in the class.
Actually Iowa doesn't have a conceal carry law....its "open" carry.
And after going through the class I wouldn't open carry anyway from the story's told about people open carrying.
Its perfectly legal to open carry an AR 15 down a sidewalk but I wouldn't even think of doing that.
One dickhead cop can make your day go bad in a heart beat. Even worse if you don't have the permit on your person.

And "weapon" isn't defined in Iowa's gun laws, so any knife over the legal limit of being defined as a tool (3 inches) is considered a "weapon".
So is a chain saw and machete as long as its being brandished as a weapon.
You can be arrested and charged for having a "weapon" without a permit on your person for carrying a machete if you aren't using it as a tool.

[palani]

You can be arrested and charged for having a "weapon" without a permit on your person for carrying a machete if you aren't using it as a tool.

Guy I know was attacked through the open window of a car by a known drug dealer. As he was getting pommeled he reached into the back seat and came up with a machete. He used the HANDLE of it on his attacker.

For that he got 10 days in jail while his attacker (perhaps because he was a steady customer) was out in 3 hours.

It is possible the penalty was more egregious because he happened to have the corn knife in the car where it was within 'grabbable' range.

[willie pete]

Guy I know was attacked through the open window of a car by a known drug dealer. As he was getting pommeled he reached into the back seat and came up with a machete. He used the HANDLE of it on his attacker.

For that he got 10 days in jail while his attacker (perhaps because he was a steady customer) was out in 3 hours.

It is possible the penalty was more egregious because he happened to have the corn knife in the car where it was within 'grabbable' range.

what state was that in? ...looks like the knife laws in Florida aren't too bad, guess I can keep my switchblade...lol

[7th trump]

Guy I know was attacked through the open window of a car by a known drug dealer. As he was getting pommeled he reached into the back seat and came up with a machete. He used the HANDLE of it on his attacker.

For that he got 10 days in jail while his attacker (perhaps because he was a steady customer) was out in 3 hours.

It is possible the penalty was more egregious because he happened to have the corn knife in the car where it was within 'grabbable' range.
What I know from the class is if you don't have a permit to carry a "weapon", any "weapon" by legal Iowa definition (knife, gun, machete), cannot be within reach while in a vehicle.
If you have a permit to carry, and it must be on your person, you can have a gun strapped to your side while in the vehicle driving down the road.
Driving down the road, in Iowa, with a piece on your side is legally no different than walking down a sidewalk which is perfectly legal, concealed or open.
However, I'd stay away from schools by a 1000 foot if you are concealing a gun while walking your dog. Its legal if you are on a public right of way, but I wouldn't do it.
One of the stories was a Bettendorf man walking his dog on the side walk and open carrying and one student seen and the teacher reported it and the Bettendorf PD (every available cop) went on a man hunt until they found him. He was let go after producing his permit, but every gun was drawn on him. He was taken down hard from what I was told.
Then there the question of was your friend in a life threatening situation?
You just cant pull a gun out unless you believe your life is in danger. A beating is not life threatening.
In a home invasion if the invader comes at you with a knife or gun you can fill him full of lead. But if he doesn't come at you and takes your tv you cannot shoot him....you are not in a life threatening situation.
It sucks but that's how the law is written currently.

[palani]

what state was that in?

Iowa

[palani]

What I know from the class is if you don't have a permit to carry a "weapon", any "weapon" by legal Iowa definition (knife, gun, machete), cannot be within reach while in a vehicle.

And here is where we get into language. A weapon is offensive and ought to be regulated. An arm is constitution and is mainly viewed as defensive .... this concept is in line with Bouvier's description


ARMS. Any thing that a man wears for his defence, or takes in his hands, or uses in his anger, to cast at, or strike at another.

And therein lies your defense. If another chooses to call it a weapon then they ought to have to prove that your intent was offensive rather than defensive. This would be very difficult to do unless you used it to rob a convenience store or hold up pedestrians.

[willie pete]

Iowa

no "stand your ground laws" in IA? ....I've heard of people getting shot and killed over traffic accidents/fender benders here and weren't prosecuted 'cause one of them started pounding on the other, there again, that's here ::) you don't here about it everyday, but it happens

[willie pete]

In a home invasion if the invader comes at you with a knife or gun you can fill him full of lead. But if he doesn't come at you and takes your tv you cannot shoot him....you are not in a life threatening situation.
It sucks but that's how the law is written currently.

I'm fairly confident here in Florida, if someone has "home-invaded" you, you're well within your rights to shoot them, how could you ever know their intents? ...even if they were holding your tv

[Twisted Titan]

I dont give a rat ass

I keep 2-3 blades on me every single day at all times.

I dont worry about laws cause i dont look for trouble nor find myself in shady company.

If i ever get questioned about possesion i am medical personel and i just saved a life with them last week (wink wink) or im electrical personel and use to strip and evaluate wires.

Im not asking anybody for permission to defend myself..

I think back to any recent mass shooting (real or imaginary) and i say to myself a firearm would have been ideal but a single knife in a vital area could have been just as effective in turning the tide.

If i ever find myself at the moment of truth. i will have something to even the odds up in my favor.

And its a known fact that people have a visceral fear of being stabbed and sliced

[7th trump]

And here is where we get into language. A weapon is offensive and ought to be regulated. An arm is constitution and is mainly viewed as defensive .... this concept is in line with Bouvier's description



And therein lies your defense. If another chooses to call it a weapon then they ought to have to prove that your intent was offensive rather than defensive. This would be very difficult to do unless you used it to rob a convenience store or hold up pedestrians.

Under Iowa law "weapon" can be a baseball bat if it is brandish as a weapon.
You are correct palani..."intent" plays a major role in what is and what is not a weapon that doesn't constitute as a "gun" or "knife" over three inches.
But if confronted with a ball bat I don't think I would shoot to kill unless I was beaten to a point I thought my life was still in danger to stay out of court and prison.

[7th trump]

I dont give a rat ass

I keep 2-3 blades on me every single day at all times.

I dont worry about laws cause i dont look for trouble nor find myself in shady company.

If i ever get questioned about possesion i am medical personel and i just saved a life with them last week (wink wink) or im electrical personel and use to strip and evaluate wires.

Im not asking anybody for permission to defend myself..

I think back to any recent mass shooting (real or imaginary) and i say to myself a firearm would have been ideal but a single knife in a vital area could have been just as effective in turning the tide.

If i ever find myself at the moment of truth. i will have something to even the odds up in my favor.

And its a known fact that people have a visceral fear of being stabbed and sliced

Here in Iowa you can have all the 2 and 3 inch knifes you want as that length is considered a "tool". But they are considered a weapon if brandished as a weapon.
Also Iowa allows you to shot to kill if another persons life is in danger.

[palani]

no "stand your ground laws" in IA?

The thing is you ALWAYS have a right to defend yourself. If killing the guy is the only way to do that then you are always going to be justified. You still will likely have to defend yourself and I don't have the faith I used to have in juries to be good judges of fact. I also don't have any faith in a judge whose retirement is based upon his ability to commit commerce to come to a good decision.

Sort of like when the neighbors dog comes to visit. I want to discourage it but 1) I don't want to piss the neighbor off by killing his dog and 2) I am too lazy to dig a hole to hide the fact.

Hence my policy is to shoot to miss. He still gets the message.

[7th trump]

I'm fairly confident here in Florida, if someone has "home-invaded" you, you're well within your rights to shoot them, how could you ever know their intents? ...even if they were holding your tv

Yep and thats why you can only shoot if the invader comes at you. Well that's what the instructor says!
You can always have the perp after being shot holding a knife. But a gun shot to the back is going to get you in possible trouble you may have to explain in court.
A neighbor cop once told me that if you are home invaded shoot the bastard dead (don't allow him to talk or lawyer up) and put a knife in his hand to show you didn't have a choice but to shoot.

[palani]

But if confronted with a ball bat I don't think I would shoot to kill unless I was beaten to a point I thought my life was still in danger.

I suppose it would depend on who I thought could run faster.

[gunDriller]

my Scythe is sharp but not super sharp.

i prefer to use it when i am wide awake. i want to Scythe the long-grass i'm aiming at.

it's about 70 years old & the handles are loose. i guess i should tighten them.

no license though.


never take a Scythe to a gun fight ? :)