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Libertytree
24th July 2013, 10:08 PM
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JULY 24, 2013
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Bonate
24th July 2013, 10:28 PM
The site isn't exactly helpful as to what the cause you're working for is. I mean, are you trying to earn over $50k to get these signs posted up everywhere? What do you think the signs will do and why so long after the attacks are we waiting to do this? The wounds are still there obviously, but I don't see anything about goals on the page.
gunDriller
25th July 2013, 02:16 AM
The site isn't exactly helpful as to what the cause you're working for is. I mean, are you trying to earn over $50k to get these signs posted up everywhere? What do you think the signs will do and why so long after the attacks are we waiting to do this? The wounds are still there obviously, but I don't see anything about goals on the page.
they appear to use contributions to buy bill board ads.
billboard ads are expensive. in Silicon Valley, a billboard visible from 101 is prime real estate costing about $10,000 a month. the one time i ever got a quote on that the total quote was $60,000 - where i would have provided the artwork, and they would have done the printing & billboard pasting.
they show a billboard in Houston. my guess is, that billboard is cheaper, but looking at all the ads, we're looking at $100K+ of advertising spending.
Shami-Amourae
25th July 2013, 02:41 AM
It's not real though since the TeeVee didn't say so.
:(
Jewboo
25th July 2013, 07:59 AM
billboard ads are expensive.
Some jew who owns billboards probably runs this Rethink scam...lol.
gunDriller
25th July 2013, 08:40 AM
Some jew who owns billboards probably runs this Rethink scam...lol.
yes, collecting donations from the Goyim to deflect attention away from Israel.
madfranks
25th July 2013, 08:40 AM
Unfortunately at this point anyone who does care enough has already seen the truth for what it is, and doesn't need a billboard to see it. 99.999% of the people who these billboards are targeted at simply do not care any more. "Oh, a third building collapsed that day? Meh, whatever..."
PatColo
25th July 2013, 09:32 AM
I was dismayed a bit with AE911 Truth when, back in March, Kevin Barrett had on this guest rep'ing AE911Truth:
Friday, March 22, 2013
Michael Figa on AE911Truth ad contest, Timothy Guzman on Orwellian "peace prizes" (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2013/03/michael-figa-on-ae911truth-ad-contest.html)
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First hour: Michael Figa of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth (http://ae911truth.org/) presents: Operation Tip the Planet (OTP), the first ever global, trans-media 9/11 Anniversary event (http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/734-architects-a-engineers-for-911-truth-proudly-announces-operation-tip-the-planet.html): "By the March 31 deadline, you create and submit the ultimate 9/11 truth slogan or ad to be seen all around the world this September." Jerry Mazza will also join us to discuss his new article on Argo and the October Surprise (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/03/22/the-october-surprise-and-argos-secret/).
http://ae911truth.org/actionalerts/images/OTP_prizes.jpg (http://www.wizehive.com/contests/otp)
[...]
Here's the MP3 link to this show, Figa's on first hour only,
http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Truth-Jihad-32k-032213.mp3
So in the comments of Barrett's radio blog entry for this show, I had this exchange with Figa (I'm Anon...)
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AnonymousMarch 23, 2013 at 9:10 AM (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2013/03/michael-figa-on-ae911truth-ad-contest.html?showComment=1364055032003#c8664137281 480033230)
At a minimum, AE911Truth should post one of those white house petitions, where if they get some min threshold of siggys (20K?) the WH responds. You know, like the one they set up to deport piers morgan. ;)
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punctuated equilibrium (http://www.blogger.com/profile/15702083911463786040)March 23, 2013 at 7:17 PM (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2013/03/michael-figa-on-ae911truth-ad-contest.html?showComment=1364091431489#c7536725907 494229591)
hi this is mike figa-
we have discussed this, and there are some strong proponents for exactly that- a WH petition.
sadly, i fear that it will be insurmountable for us to get the required number. even the AE petition which has been around for years, has under 20k.
the truth movement is somewhat fractured, has many people who come and go, and is unorganized. perhaps, from this campaign, we will begin to get some sort of unified front for actions/etc.
and though we may do a petition as one of the actions, i have little hope of it doing what we want, this coming sept.
thanks though, it is a good idea, and many suggest it... but i have my reasons for not thinking, at this time, it will work as intended.
-mike
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thanks for the reply mike. I differ in that I feel that attaining 20K siggys would be easy. How quick did it happen with the piers morgan petition? Just a few days.
As to AE's petition having only 20K after years, I think I speak for many (like, millions) in that my name's not on there (under "supporters") coz I see no identifiable benefit (outside of "bigger supporter # is better"), and lots of potential downside in self-identifying on such a "supporter" list. God bless the AE's who've signed, presumably most of them still working and having lots to lose. Many many more AEs surely agree with the petition, but they're just too cautious in light of the potential consequences of signing.
WH petition is different with that "20K = WH responds" target. Put up the petition, make the rounds on AJ and the dozens of other truth radio shows, flood the various truther 'net watering holes with a press release about the siggy drive with it's identifiable goal, make a youtube appeal etc (IOW make it go viral) and I believe it would swell to 20K+ in days.
Then the WH responds however they do, & the MSM needs to report the phenom in some form, just to stay relevant. It's a PR coup for the cause no matter the WH response.
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Mike FIga (http://www.blogger.com/profile/09929187245914274012)June 4, 2013 at 11:29 PM (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2013/03/michael-figa-on-ae911truth-ad-contest.html?showComment=1370413790911#c2358668141 574740687)
well, you have a point, and that is what others make... as this grows in the summer, then i think it is a real option. my main fear was lack of signatures... but if we all focus on one, and it is written well... i do agree. it def is something very much under consideration.
Notice Figa's last reply was made 6/4, nearly 2.5 mos after my last reply! I'd given up checking back there for a reply after, what, 2 weeks tops? I only noticed his 6/4 reply now, that I went and dug up the blog in order to make this GSUS post.
I say the AE911Truth WH petition drive idea is a gimme, a layup! But Figa just squirmed around, expressed skepticism that it'd get siggys, yada yada. :-[
Incidentally, I didn't submit any "slogan.." ideas to their thingee, but the best slogan is yet another gimme; namely:
WTC7 - WTF?!
http://noliesradio.org/images/wtc7small.gif (http://architects-engineers.org/)
Libertytree
25th July 2013, 09:35 AM
Unfortunately at this point anyone who does care enough has already seen the truth for what it is, and doesn't need a billboard to see it. 99.999% of the people who these billboards are targeted at simply do not care any more. "Oh, a third building collapsed that day? Meh, whatever..."
I think this is mostly right but if someone wants to spend their $$ on it, why not? It's possible it might wake some folks up, there's lots of younger folks that weren't really old enough at that time to really be aware of all the info. So, maybe one of these "signs" triggers folks to start researching the matter further? One thing is certain, without further action, talk etc... no one will be potentially woken up to all the is 911 and the truth will eventually fade off into nothing.
Libertytree
25th July 2013, 09:40 AM
Pat, I read somewhere that the WH raised the thresh hold from 20K to 40K? It might have been it was just a proposal so don't quote me on that.
Libertytree
25th July 2013, 10:14 AM
Wow, was I ever wrong!
"We the People," the White House's official online petitioning platform, has raised the number of signatures required for a response from the administration from 25,000 to 100,000, citing huge increases in both users and petitions.
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/white-house-raises-online-petition-threshold-100-000-1B8003970
madfranks
25th July 2013, 10:43 AM
Yeah, "we the people" can petition the government for redress, but only if you have 99,999 others who you can organize and get to agree with you.
Horn
25th July 2013, 10:49 AM
It should be renamed "We the entire Municipality"
PatColo
25th July 2013, 11:24 AM
Wow, was I ever wrong!
"We the People," the White House's official online petitioning platform, has raised the number of signatures required for a response from the administration from 25,000 to 100,000, citing huge increases in both users and petitions.
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/white-house-raises-online-petition-threshold-100-000-1B8003970
Well that does suck. But again, I think a properly marketed campaign could pull it off, ZSM-blackout be damned. Like I said to AE911T's Figa:
WH petition is different with that "20K 100K = WH responds" target. Put up the petition, make the rounds on AJ and the dozens of other truth radio shows, flood the various truther 'net watering holes with a press release about the siggy drive with it's identifiable goal, make a youtube appeal etc (IOW make it go viral) and I believe it would swell to 20K+ in days.
Then the WH responds however they do, & the MSM needs to report the phenom in some form, just to stay relevant. It's a PR coup for the cause no matter the WH response.
There are 10s of millions of Truthers-- what, this from friggin '06:
Only 16% Think Government Telling the Truth about 9/11 (http://911blogger.com/node/3720)
Posted by GeorgeWashington (http://911blogger.com/users/georgewashington) on Sat, 10/14/2006 - 12:16pm
poll (http://911blogger.com/topics/poll)
According to a new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth (http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/13469) about 9/11:
"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?
Telling the truth 16%
Hiding something 53%
Mostly lying 28%
Not sure 3%"
The 16% are probably a waste of energy: if they still believe the official story, then they are unlikely to change their minds based on facts. (If you have the patience to never give up, then more power to you). [...]
"ODDLY", we click the primary link to the poll now, and find it's been memory holed.
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/13469
Tried plugging it into archive.org's wayback machine, got it:
http://web.archive.org/web/20061119001257/http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/13469
So anyways, I think 100K should be doable today!
PatColo
29th August 2013, 09:22 AM
Raising Awareness on 9/11 Truth: Changing Opinions and Building Momentum (http://www.globalresearch.ca/raising-awareness-on-911-truth-changing-opinions-and-building-momentum/5347301) By Richard Gage (http://www.globalresearch.ca/author/richard-gage) and James Corbett (http://www.globalresearch.ca/author/james-corbett)
Global Research, August 28, 2013
Region: USA (http://www.globalresearch.ca/region/usa)
Theme: 9/11 & 'War on Terrorism' (http://www.globalresearch.ca/theme/9-11-war-on-terrorism), Intelligence (http://www.globalresearch.ca/theme/intelligence)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/rethink-9-11.jpg
As we approach the 12th anniversary of September 11, 2001, a coalition of organizations has started a new global PR campaign to raise awareness of 9/11 truth.
Combining an international advertising campaign with a national opinion poll and congressional outreach, ReThink911.org (http://rethink911.org/) hopes to change opinions and build momentum for a new investigation into 9/11.
Find out more in this week’s GRTV Feature Interview with Richard Gage of ae911truth.org. (http://www.ae911truth.org/)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4aTz-gnxeQ&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4aTz-gnxeQ&feature=player_embedded
Hatha Sunahara
29th August 2013, 11:11 AM
I think 911 has fallen into the dustbin of history, just as the Reichstag fire did. It was an event, the details of which are sketchy at best. What is important about 911 is that like a lot of other events (Lincoln Assassination, Kennedy Assassination, RFK, MLK Assassinations, and many others) it points to the existence of HIDDEN forces that shape our lives and change the direction of history. 911 is a piece of evidence that these hidden forces exist, as are the other events I alluded to. Most people don't want to admit that their lives and the world is shaped by these hidden forces. It's a titanic struggle to overcome this resistance in belief.
I see all the 911 truth campaigns as an attempt to overcome this curtain of belief--a resistance to letting this piece of evidence of the existence of a secret cabal go down the memory hole. Assertions about 911 now have the same comic character as people chanting "Remember the Maine" or anyone trying to initiate an investigation of the Reichstag fire. It doesn't matter any more. The perpetrators have achieved their goals, and they remain undetected by the masses--so they continue to stage events like 911. Every FBI bust of a terrorist 'plot' is a mini 911. Newtown was a mini 911. The Boston Marathon bombing was a mini 911. The real challenge now is to recognize a pattern, and to teach everyone what that pattern is so they can recognize all the 911s to come. If that is what this ReThink 911 campaign does, I'm all for it. If it falls short of establishing the pattern, it is a waste of time.
Hatha
PatColo
24th November 2013, 09:31 PM
Sunday, November 24, 2013
The Story the Times Missed (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-story-times-missed.html)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_LBZ9ogA3E
Building 7: The Story the Times Missed - ReThink911
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Published on Nov 23, 2013
http://ReThink911.org. Featuring Austin Farwell.
*More information
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PatColo
3rd January 2014, 12:15 AM
1 hr, must listen via the player console at http://noliesradio.org/archives/74520 ... no mp3. :(
Richard Gage: Will 9/11 truth triumph in 2014? _ on Kevin Barrett’s Truth Jihad Radio (http://noliesradio.org/archives/74520)
This show was broadcast on January 1, 2014.
It is now archived here for everyone — Use Player
EXCLUSIVE BROADCAST:
Richard Gage: Will 9/11 truth triumph in 2014?
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Guests: Richard Gage, AIA, of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth (http://ae911truth.org/)…joined in the last fifteen minutes by Andrew Steele, discussing 2013′s $400k ReThink 9/11 (http://rethink911.org/) campaign, and the prospects for even bigger things in 2014. Plans include:
*Taking 9/11 truth into the legal arena with the help of William Pepper (http://noliesradio.org/archives/1990), the legendary attorney who won a jury verdict finding that the CIA and US military conspired to kill Dr. Martin Luther King.
*Targeted advertising focusing on professional architects and engineers.
*Ever-bigger ad campaigns building on the success of Re-Think 9/11.
*Organized efforts to confront congressional representatives and media figures, especially through call-ins to C-Span (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/12/29/nyt911/) (Andy’s specialty).
We discuss ex-”debunker” Frank Greening’s apparent agreement of AE911Truth’s position on WTC-7 (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/12/20/greening/), the nanothermite issue, and much more!
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PatColo
8th March 2014, 03:39 AM
@ Prof. James Tracy's blog:
March 7, 2014 (http://memoryholeblog.com/2014/03/07/chomskys-challenge-interviewing-mit-engineers-about-911/)
Chomsky’s Challenge: Interviewing MIT Engineers About 9/11 (http://memoryholeblog.com/2014/03/07/chomskys-challenge-interviewing-mit-engineers-about-911/) 28 (http://memoryholeblog.com/2014/03/07/chomskys-challenge-interviewing-mit-engineers-about-911/#comments) Guest Posts (http://memoryholeblog.com/category/guest-posts/) • Tags: 9/11 (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/911/), academe (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/academe/), Public Opinion (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/public-opinion/), war on terror (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/war-on-terror/)
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by Dave Lewit*
Maggie Zhou and I—a molecular biologist and a social psychologist— were challenged to find out what MIT engineers think of the collapse of the World Trade Center’s (WTC) Building 7. Armed with a portable player and a 5-minute “Building 7″ segment of the hour-long DVD “9/11 Mysteries” (2007), we descended on the student center cafeteria and professors’ offices in the Civil & Environmental Engineering department. We were driven by Professor Noam Chomsky’s disdain for “the 911 Truth industry” and their “insane conspiracy theory” which implies that the fall of the Twin Towers of New York’s World Trade Center in the aerial attacks of 2001 might be an “inside job”. He challenged his audience in a recent lecture to go to MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology) and ask the experts. So we did.
Maggie and I were concerned mostly with the collapse of the 47-story Building 7 which was not hit by an aircraft but by some hurtling parts of the exploding towers, sustaining small fires fueled evidently by diesel oil stored in the building along with emergency oxygen supplies. The building suddenly collapsed several hours after being evacuated following the hits on the towers. It’s top buckled downward (“crimp”) and then went totally down at near free-fall speed,neatly into its footprint, generating huge clouds of toxic dust from its constituent materials. Buildings 3, 4, 5, and 6—closer to the towers—were more seriously damaged, and burned, but none collapsed. Building 7 was virtually unknown to the public outside New York City and ignored by the mainstream media.
Exploring Student Opinion
Before approaching the professors, we tried out our DVD with several pairs of young people having lunch. One engineering undergrad watched for a minute and then lectured us on fire-weakened steel and “exploding oxygen”—similar to explanations offered in reports by the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST). The second engineering undergrad was silent, but also rejected the idea of controlled demolition by set explosives. They both wanted more information on where the stored diesel and oxygen tanks in building 7 were.
At the next table two toxic waste removal workers under contract to MIT fully accepted the idea of controlled demolition, noting the extremely improbable form of the collapse. At yet another table the one mechanical engineering student who was not preoccupied with his own laptop watched carefully and rated the collapse “probably” a controlled demolition.
Now come the professors. It being around class time, most of the offices were locked, but we managed to talk with three professors in the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering and one more the following day. The first, evidently retired, said he had no expertise on any of the WTC buildings, but offered that burning office paper provided enough heat to weaken the steel skeleton of the towers, yielding to the weight of floors collapsing from above. He said he knew nothing about Building 7, but referred us to Professor Eduardo Kausel who had studied the Tower collapses. We approached the department head, who was on his way to teach a class, and he also referred us to Kausel, saying that Kausel was the only one in the department who had studied the WTC collapses.
An Engineering Department’s Expert
This was an experience. The award-winning professor Kausel, who teaches structural dynamics, had been shocked to see the towers falling on TV, and within hours was writing a paper on this, finished it within a few days, and circulated it among his colleagues, who “liked it”. This paper, accessible in the online book The Towers Lost and Beyond (May 2002) which Kausel edited, apparently framed his investigation of other sources and energized his conversation with us. The burden of his explanation was the fire-generated “pancaking” theory which, as a consultant, he shared with NIST—as well as The New York Times —which featured it and which became the basic explanation of the official US investigative commission.
The sounds described by firemen as sequential explosions around the perimeter of a tower Kausel attributed to the “ratchet-like” (approximately 9 per second) noise of floors hitting one another at nearly free-fall speed. He was very brief with this, but good-naturedly belabored the craziness of science fiction and movie kooks who want to believe that explosives were planted and used to bring the towers down. We gently stated that we were not sci-fi or movie fans but were PhD scientists looking for sound explanations of any anomalies that have been put forward by many architects and engineers. That made no difference. “It’s a free country,” he repeated. “People believe all sorts of things. They can believe what they want.”
Regarding Building 7, in response to our questions and not having watched our DVD, Kausel speculated that the specially heavy floor on which the mayor’s emergency control center was located might have forced collapse of the floors below, rather than a partial collapse. He said he did not investigate Building 7, and had no curiosity as to why it collapsed, or what questions other people have been raising about it, because he already has his explanations for 9/11 and the twin towers, and as far as he’s concerned, the matter is closed.[1] He ignored the squibs and flashes visible in later-appearing videos. He deflected mention of recent nanothermite findings indicating high-level explosives.
Years later MIT linguistics professor Noam Chomsky, annoyed by frequent e-mailers and not willing to discuss the physical evidence of 9/11, was saying much the same thing as his engineering colleagues, perhaps taking their word for it. In conversation, one gets the sense that Professor Kausel was the passing bandwagon of MIT on this issue, having been loaded with overall explanatory responsibility where only a few others issued more limited speculations, having approached the matter theoretically with sparse data on only a few available parameters.
Granted that Prof. Kausel had students waiting to see him, he seemed dismissive or defensive — mocking fanciful and prejudiced laypersons almost as a conclusion—rather than being open to evidence of explosives inferred by some practicing engineers and materials scientists studying the emerging evidence such as is reflected in Sofia [Smallstorm's] “9/11 Mysteries”, and most recently, chemistry professor Niels Harrit’s study of residues of extremely explosive nanothermite in WTC’s dust, online at Open Chemical Physics Journal.
Another Scientist’s View
The fourth MIT professor contacted (by DL alone) was Ted Postol, an award-winning, engineer-physicist professor of Science, Technology and International Security, who has had extensive experience with the US military and has been critical of government and industry distortion of ballistic missile defense capability. Now watching the Building 7 DVD for the first time, he recalled his immediate reaction nine years ago when he saw on TV the first tower coming down: Phone some influential person in New York and tell them to evacuate the second tower immediately! This, because the huge shock waves of the first building collapsing could be transmitted through the ground, weakening the structure of the second tower. If big fires were to break out in the second tower, it too could come down!
Professor Postol had not tried to research the WTC or Building 7 in particular, but offered two hypotheses: one based on fire and the other on explosives. Either might be true. The fire hypothesis would be plausible if the diesel-based fires noted in Building 7 were extensive enough—building up heat over the 6 or more hours before the building collapsed—to soften its shaken steel skeleton at the base. Once the mass of the building above the fires started to move downward, the collapse would likely be immediate and vertical. He did not know enough about the building or the fires to say how the central columns would give way first, as indicated by the crimp in the top floor before the rest of the building came down—a phenomenon critics attribute to timing of explosions by demolition experts.
He agreed that controlled demolition was also possible, but doubted that proof could be kept secret, since a hundred or more workers and agents would have to have been involved in a project of this size. Asked about the squibs—the horizontal spurts of smoke visible in videos below the collapsing upper floors of the towers attributed to explosives by critics—he guessed that they might have resulted from weak spots in the buckling peripheral columns under suddenly increased pressure from falling upper stories. I gather that evidence regarding the temperature, location, and duration of the fires in Building 7 would be critical in any investigation. But who will come forth with evidence?
Professor Postol teaches students in the School of Humanities, Arts and Social Sciences, and welcomed for possible use in classes the DVDs which I proffered concerning the collapse of all three WTC buildings, and concerning nanothermitic products found in the dust of the collapses.
After 9/11
Causes aside, the consequences are what troubles Postol. Toward the end of our hour he turned the conversation to the development here of a police state—fascism—which gained impetus from the 9/11 events. President Bush was foolish and cowardly to run from his responsibility to return immediately to Washington and deal positively with public panic and military disposition. The ongoing and looming loss of life and liberty far surpass that of 9/11 itself. The event has been exploited by large organizations, he said. Postol is concerned that we work to create real security.
These few hours of seeking out engineering students and professional experts, none of whom examined the remains at Ground Zero, were suggestive though hardly definitive. None of the people we interviewed had seen or read materials of the critics of the official 9/11 commission report. Surely folks in the Alliance for Democracy and many others share Ted Postol’s concerns regarding a police state and the challenge of creating the conditions for real security—with freedom and justice.
However, we believe that the process of justice in the case of 9/11 and of systemic change requires knowing the causes, including who orchestrated the events and why. There was no regular police investigation—amazing with this gigantic crime, but only a reflex military attack in geopolitically strategic Afghanistan supposedly to root out al-Qaeda, the small set of terrorists immediately judged to have trained or directed those who enacted the 9/11 attacks.
I parted from Ted Postol with the suggestion that he review evidence of possible CIA, FBI, and/or Pentagon involvement in this war-and-repression-triggering catastrophe in books by David Ray Griffin (e.g., The New Pearl Harbor Revisited and The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7), John Perkins (Confessions of an Economic Hit Man), and James Douglass (JFK and the Unspeakable).
Postol said that, in his experience with government, there have been unusual cases of maintaining complete secrecy. But let us hope that, in a new investigation with subpoena powers, some insider or insiders—Arab or American—will come forward.
Note
[1] Prof. Kausel did advise on a Master of Engineering thesis by Jeremy A. Kirk entitled “The World Trade Center Disaster: Analysis and Recommendations,” dated June 2005. In it there is no mention of explosives. His review of MIT publications cited nothing beyond the papers in Kausel (2002) on web. Kirk does not cite Griffin or any other critic of the official 9/11 story. Griffin’s The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11 was published in March 2004, and his 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions in Nov, 2004.
The article originally appeared in the November-December 2010 issue of BCA Dispatch, the newsletter of the Boston-Cambridge Alliance for Democracy, an affiliate of the national Alliance for Democracy, and is republished here with permission. The article is archived at newenglandalliance.org,
*A 40-year citizen of Boston, Dave Lewit is a social psychologist (PhD University of Minnesota, 1957) formerly at University of Massachusetts, Amherst, and other universities. As cochair and editor at BCA, Lewit led the forum at Boston College leading to collapse of the pro-corporate Multilateral Agreement on Investment (MAI), five workshops at the Boston Social Forum at UMass/Boston, and drafting of “A Common Agreement on Investment and Society” (CAIS—a citizen-group product; see introduction at http://www.thealliancefordemocracy.org/pdf/AfDJR6107.pdf with link to complete text). Lewit is currently organizing a working group to conceive a humane systemic alternative to global economic collapse, and writing on liberation psychology.
PatColo
12th March 2014, 12:19 AM
See KBarrett podcast w/Bob McIlvane at bottom.
High-rise Safety Initiative" exposes 9/11 truth: Analyst (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/03/353004/highrise-safety-initiative-tells-911-truth/)
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World Trade Center, New York, after the 9/11 deadly incident
Mon Mar 3, 2014 6:50AM
By Dr. Kevin Barrett
Related Interviews:
http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20130916/crabbe20130916142813393.jpg‘9/11 was a false flag operation’ (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/16/324314/911-was-a-false-flag-operation/)
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'US gov’t covers up truth behind 9/11' (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/12/261187/us-govt-covers-up-truth-behind-911/)
Do not ever set foot inside a tall building.
According to the US government, steel-frame high-rise buildings can suddenly crumble to dust for no apparent reason, plunging at free-fall acceleration straight into the ground.
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) asserts that World Trade Center Building 7, a 47-story high-rise, imploded at 5:20 p.m. on the afternoon of September 11th, 2001 due to modest office fires of undetermined origin. According to NIST, these small fires somehow triggered a new physical phenomenon, unknown to science before 9/11/2001, called "thermal expansion."
The results looked exactly like a classic controlled demolition.
If NIST were right, skyscrapers everywhere would be in danger of imploding at any time – all it would take would be a few small office fires.
Can tall buildings really just implode? A group of New Yorkers, led by 9/11 victims' family members, wants to find out. NYCcan.org is launching a campaign called the High Rise Safety Initiative. If passed, the Initiative would force the New York Department of Buildings to investigate the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7. Such an investigation would almost certainly conclude that the official story of Building 7's "collapse" is preposterous.
NIST's report on WTC-7 is so obviously false that even Dr. Frank Greening – the only independent scientist who has ever made a serious effort to support the government's position on the destruction of the World Trade Center – finds it ridiculous. Greening, formerly the go-to scientist for the so-called debunkers, is now a WTC-7 "conspiracy theorist." So is virtually everyone else who has studied the demise of WTC-7.
So the good news is that nobody, not even pro-government people like Frank Greening, really believes NIST's absurd claims about Building 7. That means that skyscrapers are not likely to start falling down due to wastebasket fires any time soon. "Thermal expansion" is almost certainly a myth - a complete and utter non-threat to the structural integrity of skyscrapers.
But the bad news is that skyscrapers really can suddenly implode at any time: They can be illegally destroyed in permit-free, unregulated demolitions by organized crime networks. And those deceptive demolitions can be disguised as "terrorist attacks" with the complicity of government insiders.
Larry Silverstein, a reputed organized crime figure with links to the Israeli and American governments, purchased the condemned-for-asbestos World Trade Center skyscrapers in July 2001. The first thing he did was to double the WTC's terror insurance policy and hardball the insurers into changing the terms to "cash payout."
After spending about $15 million of his own money to buy the condemned buildings, two months later – on September 11th, 2001 – "Lucky Larry" hit the jackpot. Controlled demolitions were conducted without permits, without asbestos removal, and without emptying the Twin Towers of people. Silverstein collected $4.6 billion dollars in cash from his insurers, plus rights to rebuild.
Silverstein's televised admission that he "pulled" or demolished World Trade Center 7 makes him the worst self-confessed insurance fraud criminal in world history.
A few years after demolishing the World Trade Center and collecting billions of "double-indemnity" insurance dollars based on the bizarre notion of two completely separate and unrelated terrorist attacks – the two planes – Silverstein used his ill-gotten gains to purchase Chicago's Sears Tower. Shortly thereafter, Silverstein hired Kroll Security, a company implicated in both the 9/11 and anthrax attacks, to guard his new high-rise icon.
The Sears Tower and other skyscrapers really could implode at any time for no apparent reason.
Thousands of lives really are at risk.
The High Rise Safety Initiative, sponsored by NYCcan.org, could help prevent future skyscraper disasters. A new investigation into the destruction of Building 7 could look at all the evidence, including:
*Eyewitness testimony that a countdown to demolition was broadcast over police radio during the seconds before the "collapse" of Building 7.
*Eyewitness testimony that preparatory pre-demolition explosions gutted WTC-7 on the morning of 9/11 before either Tower had collapsed.
*Videotaped proof that WTC owner Larry Silverstein confessed to demolishing WTC-7 on national television.
*Videotaped proof that the BBC and CNN erroneously reported the "collapse" of WTC-7 shortly before it happened, showing that those networks were reading scripts prepared by 9/11 conspirators but mistimed their script-reading.
The lead spokesperson for NYCcan.org's High-rise Safety Initiative is Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son Bobby when the North Tower of the World Trade Center exploded in ten seconds into thousands of tons of sub-100-micron dust, along with some grit and gravel-sized particles.
McIlvaine knows that the Twin Towers did not collapse; they exploded. (See the youtube video "North Tower Exploding" showing the explosions)
Bob McIlvaine knows that more than 1000 victims of the explosive demolitions of the Twin Towers did not leave behind so much as the tiniest sliver of bone. They were blasted to dust. Even the meticulous sifting and bucketing of WTC debris could not even find a sliver of fingernail from any of these 1000-plus people.
Other people who were blown to smithereens in the tremendous explosions that destroyed the Twin Towers did leave behind traces of themselves – and absolute, smoking gun proof that the buildings did not fall, but were blown up. That proof consists of the tiny splinters of human bone that were found all over the roof of the Deutsche Bank building, across the street from the World Trade Center, a few years ago.
Bob McIlvaine and the other family members of 9/11 victims deserve the truth about what happened to their loved ones. Only truth and justice can bring them inner peace. And only truth and justice can stop the neocons war on the world and establish world peace. The High Rise Safety Initiative, sponsored by NYCcan.org, could be an important step in that direction.
HRB/HRB
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/03/353004/highrise-safety-initiative-tells-911-truth/
The Kevin Barrett Show 2014.03.11 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-kevin-barrett-show-20140311.html)
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9/11 family member Bob McIlvaine: “I want justice for my son!”
Bob McIlvaine (http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html#McIlvaine) is the father of Robert McIlvaine (http://www.legacy.com/Sept11/Story.aspx?PersonID=93540&location=1), Assistant Vice President, Merrill Lynch, WTC North Tower, 106th floor. A former history teacher, Bob McIlvaine is one of the most articulate and outspoken of the 9/11 family members calling for a real investigation of 9/11 (http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html). Appearing on Fox News with mechanical engineer Tony Szamboti, (http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/407-buildingwhat-appears-on-geraldo-at-large-on-fox-news.html) Bob helped convince Geraldo Rivero that the 9/11 truth movement was right about the demolitions of the three World Trade Center skyscrapers. He may also have helped convince Mike Huckabee, who watched Bob and Tony explain the situation to Geraldo. (Bob discusses his encounter with Huckabee toward the end of this interview.)
Bob is a prominent supporter of the High Rise Safety Initiative (http://highrisesafetynyc.org/), which seeks a new investigation of the apparent controlled demolition of World Trade Center Building 7 (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/03/353004/highrise-safety-initiative-tells-911-truth/).
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mick silver
12th March 2014, 10:50 AM
they will never know by asking they people to find out ....9/11 victims' family members, wants to find out. NYCcan.org is launching a campaign called the High Rise Safety Initiative. If passed, the Initiative would force the New York Department of Buildings to investigate the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7. Such an investigation would almost certainly conclude that the official story of Building 7's "collapse" is preposterous.
PatColo
13th March 2014, 12:54 AM
30 min show, MP3: Download (http://noliesradio.org/archives/KB-TJ_walter_2014_0313_web.mp3)
Wednesday, March 12, 2014
Ted Walter: For high-rise safety's sake, investigate WTC-7! (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.ca/2014/03/ted-walter-for-high-rise-safetys-sake.html)
Special broadcast: Investigate WTC-7 fund-raising drive launches Thursday 3/13!
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The High-Rise Safety Initiative (http://highrisesafetynyc.org/) - which would force New York City to investigate the apparent controlled demolition of World Trade Center Building 7 - has received a generous offer of up to $50,000 to match all funds raised from today - Thursday, March 13th, 2014 - until April 1st.
Guest: Ted Walter, organizer of the High-Rise Safety Initiative, discussing how this project could dramatically raise the profile of WTC-7 and 9/11 truth, and take us one step closer to justice.
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