The Philosophy of Armaments: 'Why' before 'How'

[iOWNme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y62vnS0Qr6g

It seems throughout history most men have mastered the 'How' when it came to the use of armaments. Yet very few men have every fully understood the 'Why' and 'When' and the moral principles behind them.

There is never a shortage of men who have been trained in 'How' to use violence. But humanity has only seen a handful of men who have known 'Why' and 'When' it was morally justifiable to do so, and who have had the courage to act on that principle.

[Libertarian_Guard]

I liked it, but its not entirely true.

Everyone in the U.S. military learns about the "use of deadly force" and "lawful orders" ...... misapply these, and don't expect anyone in your chain of command to back you up.

In war time, the machine chews up and rolls over everyone in its path. War sucks, there isn't a bad enough word for it, but for the most part, the troops are following "lawful orders"

[iOWNme]

I liked it, but its not entirely true.

Everyone in the U.S. military learns about the "use of deadly force" and "lawful orders"


I disagree.....

NEITHER of these are any type of discussion about the moral and philosophical principles behind 'WHY' it is morally acceptable to use violence in defense. The reason the Military/Police cannot discuss this is because EVERYTHING the Military/Police does falls under the INITIATION of violence, not the defensive use of it.

If they did understand this, they wouldnt have joined the Military/Police.

Human history is stacked full of dead innocent bodies most of which have been MURDERED by men who were only trained in 'How' to use violence and didnt have a CLUE about 'Why' they should do it.

[gunDriller]

In war time, the machine chews up and rolls over everyone in its path. War sucks, there isn't a bad enough word for it, but for the most part, the troops are following "lawful orders"


that's what i was talking about when i said TPTB do whatever they want, and make up the law to support it.

like Bush's attorneys finding twisted legal rationale's to justify his war of terror.

a practice which Obama obviously continues.


he's even got his AG running guns to Mexico.

Bush could look at Obama and say, "Damn, I could learn something from you !"

[Hypertiger]

Human history?

Human being is a recient ideal.

People are animals that have been trained to think they are human beings or pretending to be Human beings.

People take more power than they give to sustain their existence.

Just like all animals...or all life or existence.

"The modern conservative (absolute capitalist) is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."--John Kenneth Galbraith.

In absolute capitalism there is persuasion then force followed by annihilation.

please (persuasion) or else (force) I will kill you (annihilation)

[Hypertiger]

People have no ability to make or break LAW

All that people have the power to do is make and break rules and call rules LAW

But if a rule attempts to break LAW.

LAW will break the rules.

[Ponce]

Guns are not the answer....but......is a good back up to have.

V

[Hypertiger]

Guns are like a castle that you use against the peasants you employed to build it when you do not need them anymore and lay them off or fire them.

You steal from the population to arm yourself for when they have nothing left to take and then when they show up trying to steal back what was stolen from them you pour boiling oil on and inject them with arrows.

[iOWNme]

I think this pretty much sums up why there has been so much violence in the world.

"Without knowing 'Why' you should use armaments for defensive force, you cannot possibly know 'When' it is morally justified to do so."

[govcheetos]

^ All good posts.

[Hypertiger]

Maybe you are a moron and do not realize what you are doing until long after when the consequences show up and you resist your fate.

But the logical conclusion is the same.

The power struggle is constant between those that take more power than they give from each other.

and it is persuasion followed by force and then annihilation.

Whether you are trying to or not.

chopping down trees faster than they regrow is the same thing as taking more power than you give to sustain your existence.

and when you run out.

your axe can not save you.

and your are defeated by GOD.

Mowing down peasants that flip out is not going against GOD.

It's what guns are being used for in the USA all the time...and if it was against Truth...You would not be able to mow them down.

You can all be mowed down.

it's simple.

There are stacks of corpses and rivers of blood flowing.

you walk out of your house and a sniper takes you out from 1000 yards or more away.

Or just slowly creeps in close and takes you out.

Been going on for all recorded history.

Thou shall not kill is more of a suggestion...a rule to take into consideration.

it is not LAW.

Truth can not be broken.

generally when you start killing people...if you are killing the right people...you have the whole population of the planet on your side...but you start killing the wrong people and you will have the whole population against you.

Humanity is asleep but wakes up when there is a threat to its continued existence and the threat is annihilated.

Evil people want life liberty and the pursuit of happiness just like all the good people.

Or is it the greater of two evils being evil and the lesser being considered as Good?

Well a gun is generally a more powerful lie than a knife.

You have to sneak up with a knife to kill a less powerful lie.

It is where a knife derives some of it's power from to appear to be Truth.

a rope is a less powerful lie that a more powerful lie can defeat.

Truth of course is the source of all power and you can not defeat it with a gun or a knife.

That is why Truth has no need of soldiers but soldiers need Truth

It is where powerful lies which are soldiers derive all their power from.

Lies take more than they give from Truth until they reach the point where the lie demands infinite power to sustain it's existence.

then it must defeat truth to obtain absolute power over all and everything.

it why when bullets which are powerful lies occupy the same place as a persons head which is a less powerful lie.

the persons head is annihilated.

I avoid this as best I can.

Lies you believe are Truth when followed to their logical conclusion end in collapse.

Like at CERN.

They smash two lies together and they shatter an then they use lies to study the lies or result looking for Truth.

Reasonable assumptions of what Truth is.

Key problem.

GOD has no logical conclusion...no beginning or end.

So Truth is rejected in favor of a reasonable assumption or lie and that is thought to be Truth.

Judge not lest ye be judged is just a warning...

Since you can not reverse your manipulations of the Universe to escape the negative consequences you cause to exist.

Until you figure out how to stop fighting to the death to enjoy the dream you are awake.

You will continue until you are forced to wake up into the nightmare when the negative consequences of your judgments can not be ignored any longer.

The Universe is perfectly fair. All and everything gets what all and everything deserves, and there is no hope.

Truth gives you what you need not what you want.

Guns give you what you want if they are used properly...they allow you to take more power from another than you give to them.

legally and illegally.

In a legal system.

Or rule based system like a game.

Where you can do something illegal as long as you are not caught and do something wrong as long as it is legal.

"When plunder (absolute capitalism, taking more power than you give, living beyond your means) becomes a way of life for a group of men (people or absolute capitalists) living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal (rule) system that authorizes it and a moral code (religion) that glorifies it."--Frederic Bastiat

[iOWNme]

Maybe you are a moron and do not realize what you are doing until long after when the consequences show up and you resist your fate.

But the logical conclusion is the same.

The power struggle is constant between those that take more power than they give from each other.

and it is persuasion followed by force and then annihilation.

Whether you are trying to or not.

chopping down trees faster than they regrow is the same thing as taking more power than you give to sustain your existence.

and when you run out.

your axe can not save you.

and your are defeated by GOD.

Mowing down peasants that flip out is not going against GOD.

It's what guns are being used for in the USA all the time...and if it was against Truth...You would not be able to mow them down.

You can all be mowed down.

it's simple.

There are stacks of corpses and rivers of blood flowing.

you walk out of your house and a sniper takes you out from 1000 yards or more away.

Or just slowly creeps in close and takes you out.

Been going on for all recorded history.

Thou shall not kill is more of a suggestion...a rule to take into consideration.

it is not LAW.

Truth can not be broken.

generally when you start killing people...if you are killing the right people...you have the whole population of the planet on your side...but you start killing the wrong people and you will have the whole population against you.

Humanity is asleep but wakes up when there is a threat to its continued existence and the threat is annihilated.

Evil people want life liberty and the pursuit of happiness just like all the good people.

Or is it the greater of two evils being evil and the lesser being considered as Good?

Well a gun is generally a more powerful lie than a knife.

You have to sneak up with a knife to kill a less powerful lie.

It is where a knife derives some of it's power from to appear to be Truth.

a rope is a less powerful lie that a more powerful lie can defeat.

Truth of course is the source of all power and you can not defeat it with a gun or a knife.

That is why Truth has no need of soldiers but soldiers need Truth

It is where powerful lies which are soldiers derive all their power from.

Lies take more than they give from Truth until they reach the point where the lie demands infinite power to sustain it's existence.

then it must defeat truth to obtain absolute power over all and everything.

it why when bullets which are powerful lies occupy the same place as a persons head which is a less powerful lie.

the persons head is annihilated.

I avoid this as best I can.

Lies you believe are Truth when followed to their logical conclusion end in collapse.

Like at CERN.

They smash two lies together and they shatter an then they use lies to study the lies or result looking for Truth.

Reasonable assumptions of what Truth is.

Key problem.

GOD has no logical conclusion...no beginning or end.

So Truth is rejected in favor of a reasonable assumption or lie and that is thought to be Truth.

Judge not lest ye be judged is just a warning...

Since you can not reverse your manipulations of the Universe to escape the negative consequences you cause to exist.

Until you figure out how to stop fighting to the death to enjoy the dream you are awake.

You will continue until you are forced to wake up into the nightmare when the negative consequences of your judgments can not be ignored any longer.

The Universe is perfectly fair. All and everything gets what all and everything deserves, and there is no hope.

Truth gives you what you need not what you want.

Guns give you what you want if they are used properly...they allow you to take more power from another than you give to them.

legally and illegally.

In a legal system.

Or rule based system like a game.

Where you can do something illegal as long as you are not caught and do something wrong as long as it is legal.

"When plunder (absolute capitalism, taking more power than you give, living beyond your means) becomes a way of life for a group of men (people or absolute capitalists) living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal (rule) system that authorizes it and a moral code (religion) that glorifies it."--Frederic Bastiat


Who are you talking to here? Your mindless dribbles of esoteric non-wisdom are amazingly VOID of any intellectual acumen.

Lets try this:

Can you rebut the point of this video?

Point: Most men have spent their time, money and energy learning 'How' to use armaments, and very few men have ever fully understood the moral principles behind the 'Why' and 'When' they should use armaments for violence.

In order for you to rebut this point, you must show that knowing 'How' to use armaments is vastly more important than knowing 'Why or 'When' you should use them.

Can you do this hyperkitty?

[Jewboo]

Your mindless dribbles of esoteric non-wisdom are amazingly VOID of any intellectual acumen.





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All hail HT.

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[iOWNme]

Where is all of your wisdom HT?

I am formally challenging you to a debate about this topic. We can do it over skype or whatever method you prefer and i will post it to my Youtube page. In fact, i will let YOU record it and post if you like. Surely you wont be outsmarted by some 'moron' (who didnt graduate high school) who cant understand the 'top' and 'bottom' that you speak of? Can you accept this challenge smarty?

You have an arrogant attitude and seem to think you are 'all knowing'. Im stepping up to challenge you to a nice peaceful respectful debate. What excuse will you give now? How many ad-hominems or character assassinations can you come up with while DODGING my challenge to you?

I stand by my pont of this video, and NOT ONE person has been able to prove otherwise. Thats because it is a logical fallacy to think that knowing 'How' to use arms is more important than knowing 'Why' and 'When'.