Constitution Free Zones in The United States

[Serpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsJ4JnWMQtg&feature=youtu.behttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsJ4JnWMQtg&feature=youtu.be

[Atocha]

F them. They can do or say all they want. I will never bow to their asses. Constitution free zone? Our forefathers are spinning at high speed in their graves.

[Glass]

theres no such thing. The border is also not 100 miles wide.

[palani]

theres no such thing. The border is also not 100 miles wide.

A border is as wide as a piece of cellophane but rhetoric can confuse that concept. 'Within this state' is a construction defined as 'the federal zone(s) within the EXTERIOR boundaries of the state'.

If you examine a piece of cellophane closely you will see it has two sides. One side (call it the one farthest from you) might be said to be the EXTERIOR side while the other side (closest to you ) might be said to be the INTERIOR side. Make sense? So mark each side accordingly.

Now drape that piece of cellophane over your wifes' best casserole dish after you have placed a tennis ball inside. Is the tennis ball within the EXTERIOR or INTERIOR boundaries of the casserole?

Isn't the tennis ball within BOTH boundaries?

Possible the nature of the boundary has more to do with the nature of the ball than with the physical territory the cellophane encloses. How 'bout if the ball was a U.S. citizen? Is a U.S. citizen 'within the exterior boundaries of the state'? Could be. Maybe we are talking of Indiana and this U.S. citizen happened to be born of parents born in Indiana. Is he then considered to be within the interior boundaries of the state as well? But this concept would be true if he were physically located in Ohio ... he would still be within the interior boundaries of Indiana because he is a member of the body politic of Indiana (Jus Soli and Jus Sanguinis both at work). That piece of cellophane has no effect at all on the boundary that determines whether you are within the interior or exterior boundaries of Indiana if you happen to be a citizen of that particular state. It is more of a filter of what your STATUS actually is with respect to your state and federal government. Should you be a federal citizen and within the geophysical boundaries of Indiana then you are located 'within the exterior boundaries' ... you are professing to be alien.... with a physical presence in the state.

[collector]

Definitely !! And is that saying that their authority ends at that 100 mile interior mark?

[govcheetos]

palani, what do you think of the lyrics to this song?

It's always piqued my interest.

http://youtu.be/UqVOPayrUVs

[palani]

palani, what do you think of the lyrics to this song?

It's always piqued my interest.

http://youtu.be/UqVOPayrUVs

If they have a point to make it is too obscure to tell ... all the guy wants to do is change water to wine? While driving?

[Libertytree]

My "Constitution Zone" extends from the tip of my fingers pointing outwards and 360 degrees around me and as far as my voice can travel. If I'm restrained my freedom zone has been reduced no doubt but they can't take what's inside of me away. Everyones "zone" is different though.

[Ares]

I posted this article earlier this week and had a poignant question. Since the Constitution gives the government legitimacy, and authority. If they suspend it, does that mean the government is no longer legitimate and can tell the mouth breathing TSA moron to kindly go fuck him(her)self?

[gunDriller]

Isn't the tennis ball within BOTH boundaries?


tennis ball ... national borders ... border security ...

OK, now you're making me think of the Williams Sisters and their 120 mph serve.


some emigrants would think twice about facing a 120 mph tennis ball.

Venus & Serena for border protection, firing fuzzy yellow bullets at whoever crosses the border illegally ?

[Jewboo]

Since the Constitution gives the government legitimacy, and authority. If they suspend it, does that mean the government is no longer legitimate and can tell the mouth breathing TSA moron to kindly go fuck him(her)self?





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Only from Moscow can we say anything like that.

http://www.emofaces.com/en/emoticons/r/russia-flag-waving-emoticon-animated.gif ironic huh

[gunDriller]

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Only from Moscow can we say anything like that.

http://www.emofaces.com/en/emoticons/r/russia-flag-waving-emoticon-animated.gif ironic huh


the timing is very interesting.

the US is in the process of taking its tantrum about Snowden and withdrawing from interactions with Russia at the G20 summit.


as Jim Willie points out, when the time between critical events decreases, that is a sign of rapid SIGNIFICANT change.

if the US is out of the room at the G20 summit, what reason do the other nations have to sit around and work to America's advantage ?

what stops the other nations from talking about reserve currencies - or from listening to a Chinese guy give a speech about a gold-backed yuan ?


someone put up a link to Jim Willie's interview with Greg Hunter. i like Jim Willie, he is a smart guy with little ego who tries to say it like it is.

the US losing its power, forcing draconian bullshit measures on the citizens, basically following Israel's lead since they were the ones who wanted the War on Scary Muslims and 'Terror'.


somehow it seems connected. people expected 2013 to involve some serious visible change. one of the main things we have is the attack on Gold & Silver, the release of 100,000 400 ounce Gold bars from England (Alistair McLeod interview) = 1300 tons, in addition to PM sales related to Comex redemptions (people bailing on PM's & giving up paper PM positions).


because the US is sitting in a corner fuming about Edward Snowden, it sort of creates an opening for discussion by the rest of the nations about how to free themselves from the 'Spoiled Child' the US is being.

to be honest, i see the 100 mile edict as primarily a sign of another jobs creation program. it doesn't make us any safer. it allows squads of goons and guys-who-needed-jobs pretending to be goons, to go around and do their jack-booted thug routine.

that is a sign of a nation in distress. near disintegration.


people expected 2013 to be historic, but it doesn't seem historic yet.

but maybe this 100 mile border bullshit and the gravitation away from the $ will prove to be damn historic, strangely glued together by the Ed Snowden saga.

[iOWNme]

I can only DREAM of a 'Constitution Free' country........That is a ridiculous contradicting OXY-MORON.

Then there would be no Federal Fascist Government Gestapo occupying us. Oh well one can dream.....

Every single thing the Feds do they derive from the US CON. Whether you agree or not THEY THINK they believe it and thats all that matters.

If we abolish the Constitution do we abolish the Feds? Im in!!!!! LOL

[palani]

[B]I can only DREAM of a 'Constitution Free' country.


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In Blackstones time the view was whether to modify or to throw out and start new. The same logic applies today as then. The only difference is the modification will likely be performed by welfare people who KNOW what THEY want. I choose to not be a part of a system that a dumbed down people think is great (look who got into the office of president ... I rest my case).

If you want to modify the system why not start with your own children and wait several generations? That is what you have allowed the current messed up system to do.

[iOWNme]

In Blackstones time the view was whether to modify or to throw out and start new. The same logic applies today as then. The only difference is the modification will likely be performed by welfare people who KNOW what THEY want. I choose to not be a part of a system that a dumbed down people think is great (look who got into the office of president ... I rest my case).

If you want to modify the system why not start with your own children and wait several generations? That is what you have allowed the current messed up system to do.


Im well ahead of you and so are millions of others...... :)

[Hitch]

What is interesting is how they consider the whole West, and East coast of the ocean a border. Those coasts are not borders. Furthermore, according to the map, as soon as you step off of land, you are out of their constitutional free zone. Take a look at the SF bay. All the land surrounding the bay is in the zone, but the actual waters of the bay are not.

Furthermore, coastal territorial waters extend out to 24 nms from the coast. But after that, it's international waters. International waters there is no governing entity, so you can't call that a border. There is no border on the West and East coasts.

[govcheetos]

What is interesting is how they consider the whole West, and East coast of the ocean a border. Those coasts are not borders. Furthermore, according to the map, as soon as you step off of land, you are out of their constitutional free zone. Take a look at the SF bay. All the land surrounding the bay is in the zone, but the actual waters of the bay are not.

Furthermore, coastal territorial waters extend out to 24 nms from the coast. But after that, it's international waters. International waters there is no governing entity, so you can't call that a border. There is no border on the West and East coasts.

I'm afraid you're mistaken Hitcher.

[Hitch]

I'm afraid you're mistaken Hitcher.

By definition, a border is the line separating two countries. How am I mistaken?

[govcheetos]

By definition, a border is the line separating two countries. How am I mistaken?

Perhaps you are right, I'll have to look into it. Maybe boundry is a better term. All I know is you catch a bunch of hell trying to come into a US port from certain other countries.

[govcheetos]

Plus, if I'm in "international waters" how come the "governing entity" of the US Coast Guard keeps pestering me when I'm loaded to the gunnels with square grouper? ;D

[Hitch]

Plus, if I'm in "international waters" how come the "governing entity" of the US Coast Guard keeps pestering me when I'm loaded to the gunnels with square grouper? ;D

Well, to add to the confusion, out to 200 nm from the coast is an economic zone. Basically the US has fishing rights. This is so foreign fishing vessels cant kill off the local fish population.

[palani]

8 USC 1357(3) provides


(3) within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States, to board and search for aliens any vessel within the territorial waters of the United States and any railway car, aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle, and within a distance of TWENTY-FIVE MILES from any such external boundary to have access to private lands, but not dwellings, for the purpose of patrolling the border to prevent the illegal entry of aliens into the United States;”

In other words an area somewhat similar to that in yellow below:

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[Twisted Titan]

I posted this article earlier this week and had a poignant question. Since the Constitution gives the government legitimacy, and authority. If they suspend it, does that mean the government is no longer legitimate and can tell the mouth breathing TSA moron to kindly go fuck him(her)self?

Technically they create a no mans lands where anything goes.

You can actually do what you want to anything or anyone and as long as you can defend yourself against all comers.


That would be a hell of a twist eh