Offending Activists

[iOWNme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiAThxUM_Mg

"Time to be a total party-pooper, and annoy and offend lots of people who think they are fighting for freedom. But there is a happy, hopeful ending to the video."

[Twisted Titan]

For the first time in history almost all of humanity is politically activated, politically conscious and politically interactive. Global activism is generating a surge in the quest for cultural respect and economic opportunity in a world scarred by memories of colonial or imperial domination

Zbigniew Brzezinsk

[Blink]

I wholeheartedly agree with his sentiments on protesting/petitions/etc. I came to that realization years ago and try to explain to my activist friends the futility of it all. But, that being said, his solution of "waking up" is as much a pipe dream as hoping to get results from activism. He's taken an outward expression of revolt (which does educate people with whatever limited coverage it gets) and takes it down a notch by asking us to do nothing, just ignore. I'm sorry, that won't achieve squat either. There is no way the current social welfare system is going to give up its selfish freebies. He talks about "thousands" (I'm assuming like minded people on blogs that he subscribes to), but, we need "millions", or more precise, tens of millions and hundreds of millions to "wake up" peacefully and start ignoring government and it's institutions. Good f*cking luck with that Santa. History has shown the correct course of action (time and time again) that will achieve the results needed, but, "millions" are afraid to admit it or have the balls to enforce it............

[Jewboo]

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Ignore the NSA eavesdropping on this thread.

Ignore TSA's hand down our pants at the airport.

Ignore the SWAT team kicking in our door.


:rolleyes: yeah...that will stop them

[Jewboo]

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:rolleyes: ignore we bought him his glove and we pay him to grope us with it.

[Santa]

Belief in authority is derived from the emotional reaction of fear toward an imagined future.

[iOWNme]

JewBoo and Blink: Did he offend you? LOL

YES ignoring them is the ONLY way. If a group of 535 strangers that were 3000 miles away sent you a letter demanding money or they will come put you in a cage, YOU WOULD IGNORE THEM. Please tell me what the difference is here?

If 100 million people IGNORED the IRS and their tax collecting mercanaries, do you REALLY think they have the man power, money, time, etc to do ANYTHING about it?

You honestly DO NOT understand the actual problem if you cannot understand this 1 simple FACT. YOU IMAGINE they have power. YOU IMAGINE they have the Right to rule you. The problem is between your ears.

Larken sums it up PERFECTLY here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs

[Rubberchicken]

In the battle between the brain and the mind, for a majority of people the brain seems to be winning.

[Hatha Sunahara]

I think when Larken Rose says Ignore the authoritarians, he means "Don't support them." If everybody at the airport decided to just walk by the TSA goons, and not respond to their commands to stop, what could they do--short of killing anybody who defied them? What would the cops do if they had to kill everybody they stopped? What would the IRS do if nobody filed a tax return?

The problem is that everybody has to do that. Or a substantial portion of the population has to do it. Obedience is a recognition of legitimacy. If you've read Larken Roses's book The Most Dangerous Superstition, you might feel a desire to proselytize it. Larken Rose should be rewarded for writing that book. His You Tube videos also have value in promoting a big change in the political consciousness of the masses. I've been convinced, and I can see that the answer is to convince others to change their view of themselves by changing how they see government. Change will happen when people change themselves.


Hatha

[Blink]

JewBoo and Blink: Did he offend you? LOL

YES ignoring them is the ONLY way. If a group of 535 strangers that were 3000 miles away sent you a letter demanding money or they will come put you in a cage, YOU WOULD IGNORE THEM. Please tell me what the difference is here?

If 100 million people IGNORED the IRS and their tax collecting mercanaries, do you REALLY think they have the man power, money, time, etc to do ANYTHING about it?

You honestly DO NOT understand the actual problem if you cannot understand this 1 simple FACT. YOU IMAGINE they have power. YOU IMAGINE they have the Right to rule you. The problem is between your ears.

Larken sums it up PERFECTLY here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs


No, he doesn't offend me at all. Its just another person's opinion. But, as much as "his opinion" dictates that protesting/petitions don't work, the feasibility of "everyone" putting the government on ignore isn't a reality either. With that said, I ignore and avoid interaction with government as much as I can and talk to others about the uselessness and criminality of it's governance (so in essence I actually agree with the guy), but, just because a few thousand of us do it, does not equate to "everyone (few hundred million)" doing it anytime soon..........

[iOWNme]

No, he doesn't offend me at all. Its just another person's opinion. But, as much as "his opinion" dictates that protesting/petitions don't work, the feasibility of "everyone" putting the government on ignore isn't a reality either. With that said, I ignore and avoid interaction with government as much as I can and talk to others about the uselessness and criminality of it's governance (so in essence I actually agree with the guy), but, just because a few thousand of us do it, does not equate to "everyone (few hundred million)" doing it anytime soon..........

I was kinda joking about being offended... :)

You say it is not a 'reality' that people will ignore the CRIMINALS that call themselves 'Government'. I disagree and here is why:

The cat is out of the bag. Nobody 'goes back' to STATISM once they have left that game. There are more and more people coming to the realization that THEY OWN THEMSELVES. How is the 'system' going to fix that?

'Everybody' used to think the earth was flat. But once science caught up with 'Religion' there were too many facts pointing towards the TRUTH: The earth is round.

And just like 'Everyone' knows 'Government' is real, this myth is DYING because there are to many facts pointing towards the TRUTH: I own me and you own you.

Now it may not be dying as fast as we would like, or it might not even die completely in our lifetime, but there is no stopping it because there are to many FACTS pointing towards the TRUTH.

[gunDriller]

I think when Larken Rose says Ignore the authoritarians, he means "Don't support them." If everybody at the airport decided to just walk by the TSA goons, and not respond to their commands to stop, what could they do--short of killing anybody who defied them?

that's what we do every time we drive a trip instead of flying it.


however, there will come a time when flying is necessary. personally, i think it works best to treat the TSA employees with respect. i do not trust the X-ray, that means i'm an "opt-out".

i would phrase it like, "i'm not questioning your authority. but i don't trust the scanners, so i would like to opt out."

sure, some of them are goons, but many of them are just people who needed jobs.

[iOWNme]

I think when Larken Rose says Ignore the authoritarians, he means "Don't support them." If everybody at the airport decided to just walk by the TSA goons, and not respond to their commands to stop, what could they do--short of killing anybody who defied them? What would the cops do if they had to kill everybody they stopped? What would the IRS do if nobody filed a tax return?

The problem is that everybody has to do that. Or a substantial portion of the population has to do it. Obedience is a recognition of legitimacy. If you've read Larken Roses's book The Most Dangerous Superstition, you might feel a desire to proselytize it. Larken Rose should be rewarded for writing that book. His You Tube videos also have value in promoting a big change in the political consciousness of the masses. I've been convinced, and I can see that the answer is to convince others to change their view of themselves by changing how they see government. Change will happen when people change themselves.


Hatha

Summed up beautifully.

[Jewboo]

I think when Larken Rose says Ignore the authoritarians, he means "Don't support them." If everybody at the airport decided to just walk by the TSA goons, and not respond to their commands to stop, what could they do--short of killing anybody who defied them? What would the cops do if they had to kill everybody they stopped? What would the IRS do if nobody filed a tax return?



Let's take one single moment to acknowledge what you just did here.

You put a logical thoughtful word into his mouth. A logical word that HE HIMSELF never actually said in his rambling too-long video.

He clearly said "Ignore" which is obviously a stupid unrealistic way to cope with our reality.

Larkin Rose said absolutely nothing that makes any logical sense in that video.

:)

[Jewboo]

Nobody 'goes back' to STATISM once they have left that game.





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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you or some other regular Sovereign Citizen here at GSUS once admitted to actually being homeless living entirety outside the system. How do you yourself transact basic exchanges for the things that we ALL need day to day? Have a home? A vehicle? A Wife? Children?

Describe one typical day in the life of Free Man Sui Juris.

:)

[iOWNme]

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you or some other regular Sovereign Citizen here at GSUS once admitted to actually being homeless living entirety outside the system. How do you yourself transact basic exchanges for the things that we ALL need day to day? Have a home? A vehicle? A Wife? Children?

Describe one typical day in the life of Free Man Sui Juris.

:)


Ive answered this many times. I Play all of the games out of fear to stay alive. Im one of the only people here who has the fucking balls to admit it. The only difference is I do not IMAGINE anything they to be legitimate. Im actually outside the cage. Ive escaped the myth and so have millions of others. There has never been a single time in history that so many people on the earth who have figured out the TRUTH: They own themselves.

Dont be scared Jewboo the great thing about Anarchists/Voluntaryists taking over, is that they are 100% GUARANTEED to leave you alone. :)

Will YOU be able to take on the responsibility of being a human being and figure out life on your own?

Then you try and say Larken rambles on and that he lacks intelligence. I think that may be a judgment on YOUR intelligence. You can say you disagree, but you will need to give us a logical rebut to any of his points, which is obvious you cannot do.

YOU think all of the problems of the world come from a race/religion of people. Yet you can not see that EVERYTHING they do is through the mechanism of STATISM. And without it they are powerless human beings who would not be able to accomplish ANYTHING because the 'sheep' would view them as common criminals and not 'Authority'. CASE CLOSED.

Please attempt to rebut ANYTHING i said. Please no more pictures. No more crayons and marbles. PLEASE try and logically refute what i have said.






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[Jewboo]

I don't use legalese terms. I live in a house that i pay taxes on.

...I pay out of fear just like you. I guess the difference is I DON'T IMAGINE it to be legitimate.






I've answered this many times. I Play all of the games out of fear to stay alive. I'm one of the only people here who has the fucking balls to admit it. The only difference is I do not IMAGINE anything they to be legitimate. I'm actually outside the cage. I've escaped the myth and so have millions of others...Please attempt to rebut ANYTHING i said...PLEASE try and logically refute what i have said.




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I dunno why you think we disagree Sui Juris. You, like all of us, pay taxes, don't shoot cops, and therefore (under duress) begrudgingly support our enslavement.

http://www.modacity.net/forums/styles/smilies/shrug.gif and yes...the jews do control this evil system and most goys have no clue...not a one

[iOWNme]

and yes...the jews do control this evil system and most goys have no clue...not a one

And i told you that without 'STATISM' your 'Evil Jews' can accomplish exactly NOTHING. And yet you continue to try and hack at the branches of evil while others (Like Larken Rose) are actually hacking away at the ROOT of the problem.

How are the 'Evil Jews' going to run a worldwide banking scam WITHOUT THE USE OF 'GOVERNMENT'? (Just admit your defeated here :))

If you arent willing to help remove the root, can you please get out of the way so the people who are trying to achieve REAL freedom can do it? I dont think you can, because you will be FORCED to become a human being: Responsible for your own actions, responsible for providing for yourself and your family, responsible for deciding what is Right vs Wrong and having to act accordingly.

Back on topic......

All political activism is WORSE than doing nothing. It not only NEVER accomplishes freedom, but it actually LEGITIMIZES the Masters rule over you.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Let's take one single moment to acknowledge what you just did here.

You put a logical thoughtful word into his mouth. A logical word that HE HIMSELF never actually said in his rambling too-long video.

He clearly said "Ignore" which is obviously a stupid unrealistic way to cope with our reality.

Larkin Rose said absolutely nothing that makes any logical sense in that video.

:)

Yes, let's just acknowledge what I just did here. I left out two words, immediately before "he means,". I left out the words "to me". I didn't put any words in his mouth, or anything like that. I made a reasonable interpretation of the meaning of what I heard and read from Larken Rose--and the validity of its reasonableness came from the guy who posted the video--Sui Juris.

You are entitled to your opinion, Jewboo, but be careful if you don't want others to think you are Juristic Person reincarnated. Larken Rose may have said nothing that makes any logical sense TO YOU in that video. He makes perfect logical sense to me.


Hatha

[horseshoe3]

Nobody 'goes back' to STATISM once they have left that game.

Bullshit. All across the Eastern Bloc, there is a growing nostalgia for the good old days of communism. "Gosh, this freedom business is hard. I miss being told what to do and not having to think for myself. Life was a lot simpler when the state had more power."

As alien as it may seem to you and me, most people don't want to be free. They would rather have the security of statism. Just keep telling them they live in a free country and they'll be happy.

[Jewboo]

...And i told you that without 'STATISM' your...






You are entitled to your opinion, Jewboo, but be careful if you don't want others to think you are Juristic Person reincarnated. Larken Rose may have said nothing that makes any logical sense TO YOU in that video. He makes perfect logical sense to me.

Hatha




They would rather have the security of statism...



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Ok. It appears that I am the odd man out in this thread and the consensus is that I am a "statist" whatever that means:




Definition of STATISM

: concentration of economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government often extending to government ownership of industry




This term doesn't even fit Juristic Person, whom we all despise for shilling for the federal government. In fact, nobody I know from GIM1, GIM2, or GSUS has ever once supported the notion of government ownership of industry. Nobody.

Can any of you three better define how I have offended your apparently shared sensibilities of so-called Freedom? Because I mock anarchy? Because I mock drunks and potheads? Link us to one of my offending posts for an example.

http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/images/smilies/smiley_yawn.gif Larken Rose offered no solution in this verbose rambling OP video. Not one.

[horseshoe3]

Jewboo, I was not referring to you at all. I was only responding to the post I quoted, and was referring to 90+ percent of the world's population.

[Jewboo]

Jewboo, I was not referring to you at all. I was only responding to the post I quoted, and was referring to 90+ percent of the world's population.



Ok. Thanks for the clarification. I think EVERYBODY here and at GIM2 despises our federal government and the NWO.

[Hatha Sunahara]

My definition of statism is 'The fear of having no government.' It is the antithesis of anarchism. It is an excuse for allowing (not objecting to) anything the state does. It is the belief that human beings need government to survive. It is a complete lack of confidence in one's own ability to deal rationally and logically with other people, requiring some external body that will force others to bend to some ill defined external will. It is the acceptance of the need for conformity and obedience to exist in a body politic. It is a denial of one's freedom and inherent inalienable rights. It is a willingness to be subservient to authority.

Statism goes far beyond economics. It is a philosophy about the use of force to govern people. If you believe that anyone or any group has a right to force others to bend to their will, you are a statist. If you are unable to act responsibly when there are no external restraints on you, and you believe that everyone needs an external force to require them to act responsibly and morally, then you are a statist. I could go on, but if you don't get the idea by now, it would be pointless.

Those who want to control and exploit you rely on this statist imperative in people to gain and keep control over everybody through the institution of government. The best form of government is self government. In a large group of people it requires a homogeneous sense of morality and fair play. External government always tries to assure that such a sense does not exist in the governed.


Hatha

[Son-of-Liberty]

I agree with the OP.

Fuck the government. They need us we don't need them.

[Jewboo]

If you are unable to act responsibly when there are no external restraints on you, and you believe that everyone needs an external force to require them to act responsibly and morally, then you are a statist. I could go on, but if you don't get the idea by now, it would be pointless.




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You have it backwards. The only thing preventing me from just shooting anarchist neighbors is the police and the courts. Government.

:rolleyes: you know...the ones who insist on loudly and rudely exercising their god-given Freedums.

[iOWNme]

Bullshit. All across the Eastern Bloc, there is a growing nostalgia for the good old days of communism. "Gosh, this freedom business is hard. I miss being told what to do and not having to think for myself. Life was a lot simpler when the state had more power."

As alien as it may seem to you and me, most people don't want to be free. They would rather have the security of statism. Just keep telling them they live in a free country and they'll be happy.

What does this have to do with what i said? Are you purposefully trying to twist what i said in order for you to make a point?

Once a person understands that THEY OWN THEMSLEVES they are never going back to 'Im the property of a ruling class'.

Its obvious im right about what i said. Please find me 1 person on planet earth that used to think they own themselves but then changed their mind and now thinks they should be owned by another, Ready go.

[iOWNme]

Most people here are STATISTS.

They want 'their' version of a small 'limited' 'Government'. They want what they think is 'freedom' TO BE IMPOSED ON OTHERS. They love the US CON and think that the Police can do anything they want as long as they 'follow the Constitution'. Thats what is BULLSHIT.

Jewboo - YOU ARE A STATIST. You point to idiots in the world as the reason we should all be FORCIBLY robbed. You actually think society would be WORSE without a GANG of mindless thugs stealing and killing us, so you advocate for some men to bypass human morality in order to save us all from the bad guys.

It is an irrational, self-contradictory, anti-human stance that constitutes The Most Dangerous Superstition.

How are the 'Evil Jews' going to run a worldwide banking scam WITHOUT THE USE OF GOVERNMENT?

Do you have the intellectual acumen to explain this to me? You dont, because you are a STATIST coward with the brains of a child. You can not answer this because it would shatter your entire belief system: That someone else is causing all of the problems in the world, and it couldnt possibly have anything to do with whats between your ears.

Keep hacking at thew branches while you complain about international Jewry........Something that only exists because YOU IMAGINE IT TO.

[horseshoe3]

Its obvious im right about what i said. Please find me 1 person on planet earth that used to think they own themselves but then changed their mind and now thinks they should be owned by another, Ready go.

You are speaking in absolutes, while I was speaking in degrees. I may not be able to come up with the example you requested, but there are plenty of examples of people who thought they wanted less government and were given that opportunity, but ended up wanting more government. That is almost as bad, and reveals a side of human nature that is very discouraging.

[Jewboo]

Keep hacking at the branches while you complain about international Jewry........Something that only exists because YOU IMAGINE IT TO.



Jewish Faces in the Government (http://jewishfaces.com/government.html)


:rolleyes: Sui Juris denies the glaring reality of this webpage. With a straight face. Who would do such a thing?

[Son-of-Liberty]

You are speaking in absolutes, while I was speaking in degrees. I may not be able to come up with the example you requested, but there are plenty of examples of people who thought they wanted less government and were given that opportunity, but ended up wanting more government. That is almost as bad, and reveals a side of human nature that is very discouraging.

I think the problem with your original example was that they went from a communist government to a crony capitalist/fascist government. The people were never in a situation where they weren't being taken advantage of in some way. When they split up the Soviet Union Look at all the oligarchs that were instant Billionaires. It isn't like the people all received a fair share of the wealth before they moved to a "free market system."

[Son-of-Liberty]

I Hope that some day the majority of people will be able to see government for what it is but I think it is going to be a long road. Until then we need to interact with government as little as possible and still live well to show people it can be done.

[iOWNme]

Jewish Faces in the Government (http://jewishfaces.com/government.html)


:rolleyes: Sui Juris denies the glaring reality of this webpage. With a straight face. Who would do such a thing?


Yes i do deny this because the Government DOESNT EXIST. Ive proved it to you 1000 times.....

I DO NOT call a group of CRIMINALS 'Government'. Yet you are so blinded by your own internal hate for a certain race/religion that you cannot see CRIMINALS for what they are. You IMAGINE them to be 'something else' other than CRIMINALS. What will it take to break your conditioning? It will take you being HONEST with yourself about what the ACTUAL problem is, not the symptom. FOOL.

Hack away at your IMAGINARY enemy. Some of us are trying to actually KILL THE ROOT.

I have NEVER had ANYONE on this forum be able to articulate and crystalize how getting rid of 'The Jews', BUT KEEPING GOVERNMENT is going to change ANYTHING.

[horseshoe3]

I think the problem with your original example was that they went from a communist government to a crony capitalist/fascist government. The people were never in a situation where they weren't being taken advantage of in some way. When they split up the Soviet Union Look at all the oligarchs that were instant Billionaires. It isn't like the people all received a fair share of the wealth before they moved to a "free market system."

I agree. But the point I was trying to make is that people FELT more free under crony capitalism than they did under communism. And that scares the hell out of them, just like it scares modern Americans. For most people, the happiest situation is to FEEL free while actually having very little real freedom. Most people want freedom only as some vague platitude. Real freedom is scary. It's much easier to let someone push you into a niche and tell you what do do. That way, your choices don't matter - you just follow orders.

[Jewboo]

My definition of statism is 'The fear of having no government.'...It is the belief that human beings need government to survive. It is a complete lack of confidence in one's own ability to deal rationally and logically with other people, requiring some external body that will force others to bend to some ill defined external will. It is the acceptance of the need for conformity and obedience to exist in a body politic. It is a denial of one's freedom and inherent inalienable rights.





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:rolleyes: You wouldn't want to live in an America where YOUR GOVERNMENT didn't deny my Freedom and inherent inalienable Rights to deal rationally and logically with other people...it is YOU who is the Statist here pal.