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Libertytree
12th August 2013, 01:31 PM
Maybe all this isn't just tax resistance? maybe folks see the writing on the wall?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/12/americans-renouncing-citizenship-in-record-numbers-seek-to-avoid-tax/?test=latestnews


The U.S.'s crackdown on global tax evaders is leading to a record number of people renouncing their citizenship, and its effects are being felt keenly in Asia -- now the world's wealthiest region by household assets.


A growing number of wealthy Americans in Asia -- and others with green cards -- are exploring whether to renounce their U.S. citizenship or give up their green cards to avoid onerous tax obligations.
Globally, more U.S. citizens have renounced their citizenship in the first and second quarters than all of 2012 combined, and 2013 is already on track to becoming a record year for renunciations. A total of 1,130 names appeared on the latest list of renunciations from the Internal Revenue Service, according to Andrew Mitchel, a tax lawyer who tracks the data. That is far above the previous high of 679, set in the first quarter, and more than were reported in all of 2012.


While those numbers are still a fraction of the estimated six million Americans living abroad, lawyers say the main trigger for cutting ties with U.S. recently is the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act, or Fatca, which requires foreign institutions to disclose the overseas assets of U.S. green-card holders and citizens to the U.S. government.
The U.S. Congress estimates that tax evasion by U.S. citizens results in losses of up to $100 billion a year. The main objective of Fatca is to identify people who may be evading taxes through offshore investment vehicles.


"When I became an immigration lawyer 30 years ago, people really were excited about going to America. Now, more than half of my clients are people thinking of other alternatives rather than people seeking to immigrate to America," said Eugene Chow, the principal of Chow King & Associates.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/12/americans-renouncing-citizenship-in-record-numbers-seek-to-avoid-tax/?test=latestnews#ixzz2bmxlnC7D

Ares
12th August 2013, 01:54 PM
Why keep your chains when there clearly is no benefit for doing so? If I had the financial means I would of left probably 2-3 years ago for the same damn reason. Before I started redeeming lawful money over half my paycheck was being taxed. Why in the hell would I work abroad so that I could pay that countries, as well as my former countries taxes? Completely fucking ludicrous. My only surprise is why it didn't happen sooner? Or is the population that indoctrinated to believe the bullshit of "The best country on earth"?

When they start instituting flight controls (trying to control people from leaving) you know the demise is not that far away.

gunDriller
12th August 2013, 02:20 PM
i am looking into it more. not seriously yet, just checking things, talking to people who have done it.

Thailand, Mexico, & New Zealand look good.

it's a heck of a lot of work and planning. i would have to sell a lot of tools to do it.


Obama care is one of the major incentives to leave.

basically just looking for places that are like America used to be - more freedom, with affordable health care, and more friendly to business.

Shami-Amourae
12th August 2013, 02:27 PM
i am looking into it more. not seriously yet, just checking things, talking to people who have done it.

Thailand, Mexico, & New Zealand look good.

it's a heck of a lot of work and planning. i would have to sell a lot of tools to do it.


Obama care is one of the major incentives to leave.

basically just looking for places that are like America used to be - more freedom, with affordable health care, and more friendly to business.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RlIrMZy0B4



Fone Star (http://www.youtube.com/user/weihrauchfan1999) 1 day ago (http://www.youtube.com/comment?lc=jkhcPz0lkMZOTfPjST7CcO54gG8sqO4D7A8bsmA D2Us)
Not only is the US clear that it is happy to have all it's gold flee abroad because of gross fraud and malfeasance, but they have shown that they want to push all internet hosting overseas.
Do not trust any data, money, bullion or pretty much anything inside the United States. If you do, you will lose everything.

palani
12th August 2013, 02:28 PM
If you have been naturalized then you have accepted U.S. citizenship.

If you have not been naturalized then precisely what have you to renounce?

milehi
12th August 2013, 02:51 PM
That's one of the questions asked when you fill out the firearm form

Serpo
12th August 2013, 03:28 PM
If I lived in U.S and was going to leave then would think of place not too far away and too me Ecuador sounds interesting as you can buy property there.

Shami-Amourae
12th August 2013, 03:43 PM
I'm currently happy with Idaho. I'm really hoping the United States divides up into multiple countries. I guess that's a pipe dream though.