Russia sends Syria most advanced anti-ship missiles on the planet (upping the ante!)

[Large Sarge]

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/russia-sends-obama-a-message-sends-syria-their-most-advanced-anti-ship-missile-system-to-destroy-us-ships

[Serpo]

just reading about this.............

nothing can beat the sunbird and onyx not even America...this is why they havnt gone to Iran yet


http://rense.com/general59/thesunburniransawesome.htm

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/09/the-sunburn-missile-the-weapon-that-could-defeat-the-us-in-the-gulf-2467754.html?currentSplittedPage=0

Russian Navy P-270 Moskit BrahMos Sunburn Yakhont Onix




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJgVaYmiggEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJgVaYmiggE<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJgVaYmiggE" target="_blank">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqqLJQeVSvM#t=24 (http://wwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqqLJQeVSvM#t=24w.youtube.com/watch?v=gJgVaYmiggE)





Though Sunburn can fly 150 kilometers at Mach 2.1 [1,520 mph] at an average altitude of 60 feet, Onyx leaves this performance for dead. Using the same launch tubes as Sunburn, Onyx streaks along its extended 200+ kilometer flight path at a blistering Mach 2.9 [2,100 mph], while hugging the ground even closer at an average altitude of only 45 feet. Onyx is 100% “Fire and Forget”, meaning that once out of the launch tube, flight management is entirely automatic, and you can forget the doomed 93,000-ton aircraft carrier sitting meekly down range, only minutes away from being converted into environmentally-friendly heat and light. Though SS-N-25 Onyx deployment might seem like giant overkill, this is far from being the case, because Onyx differs from Sunburn in one utterly crucial way. So great is the kinetic energy at the point of impact on the target, that Onyx might sink an American aircraft carrier using only a conventional penetrating warhead. Those boffins who might doubt this should calculate the impact energy of 5,500 pounds of missile striking a carrier at a terminal velocity of 2,460 feet per second. Of course if the missile's fuel is used up the weight on impact and kinetic energy generated by the impact will be considerably less in which event it could take several Onyx "hits" to sink a carrier. The Onyx missile means that, at close quarters Russia or China can sink American aircraft carriers at will without ever having to escalate to nuclear warfare, which gives both countries a massive strategic advantage. See: http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/archive/3655850.shtml


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http://abundanthope.net/pages/True_US_History_108/Russian-Super-Sunburn-SS-N-26-ONYX-Missiles-Make-US-Navy-Obsolete-US-Attack-on-Iran-Suicidal.shtml

[gunDriller]

from working there, i would estimate that at least 50% of US military R&D expenditures are on non-productive "circle jerks".

at least 1/3 of production expenditures.


those are conservative numbers, i think it's more, that is gone to waste.

that makes it that much easier for another country with common sense management to compete, even with a smaller budget.


especially if they are analytical and focus on America's weak spots.

[midnight rambler]

those are conservative numbers, i think it's more, that is gone to waste.


I'm relatively certain those directing this nonsense don't consider such activities a 'waste'.

[Hillbilly]

Everyone seems to forget about that Satellite the US Navy shot down that was going 10 times faster than any sunburn missile!!

[midnight rambler]

Everyone seems to forget about that Satellite the US Navy shot down that was going 10 times faster than any sunburn missile!!

Got a cite for this?

[Hillbilly]

Got a cite for this?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/02/20/satellite.shootdown/

[midnight rambler]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/02/20/satellite.shootdown/

Yeah, relatively easy to plot a solution on a target with a stable and known, unwavering FIXED trajectory at a very long distance in a clear field, however not only is the Onyx missile fired off in a much more limited area of operation (allowing very little time for detecting it much less plotting a targeting solution) flying at 10-15 meters above the water (easily below radar beyond the horizon) the Onyx also executes end run evasive maneuvers as it closes onto it's target. And by my own estimate I'm guessing that a targeted warship has less than 30 seconds after detection to do something about the incoming missile(s)* before impact - and if there's a salvo of a one or two dozen incoming Onyx or Sunburn missiles (let alone a salvo of subsonic Exocet missiles) one might as well kiss one's own ass goodbye...

*if a nation's military fires one anti-ship cruise missile, they might as well fire a couple of dozen for good measure

[Twisted Titan]

The advantage or disadvantages of weapons can be debated ad nauseum.

What is beyond all doubt is that for the first time i can remember Another nation made the US knuckle under.


Russia in less then 30 days bitch slapped the US and we did nothing but whine about it.


Snowden incident and telling them about SYRIA.

[StreetsOfGold]

Though Sunburn can fly 150 kilometers at Mach 2.1 [1,520 mph] at an average altitude of 60 feet, Onyx leaves this performance for dead. Using the same launch tubes as Sunburn, Onyx streaks along its extended 200+ kilometer flight path at a blistering Mach 2.9 [2,100 mph], while hugging the ground even closer at an average altitude of only 45 feet. Onyx is 100% “Fire and Forget”, meaning that once out of the launch tube, flight management is entirely automatic, and you can forget the doomed 93,000-ton aircraft carrier sitting meekly down range, only minutes away from being converted into environmentally-friendly heat and light. Though SS-N-25 Onyx deployment might seem like giant overkill, this is far from being the case, because Onyx differs from Sunburn in one utterly crucial way. So great is the kinetic energy at the point of impact on the target, that Onyx might sink an American aircraft carrier using only a conventional penetrating warhead. Those boffins who might doubt this should calculate the impact energy of 5,500 pounds of missile striking a carrier at a terminal velocity of 2,460 feet per second. Of course if the missile's fuel is used up the weight on impact and kinetic energy generated by the impact will be considerably less in which event it could take several Onyx "hits" to sink a carrier. The Onyx missile means that, at close quarters Russia or China can sink American aircraft carriers at will without ever having to escalate to nuclear warfare, which gives both countries a massive strategic advantage. See: http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/archive/3655850.shtml

Preparing the youth for decades

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE1K05Su5Zo

[gunDriller]

Yeah, relatively easy to plot a solution on a target with a stable and known, unwavering FIXED trajectory at a very long distance in a clear field, however not only is the Onyx missile fired off in a much more limited area of operation (allowing very little time for detecting it much less plotting a targeting solution) flying at 10-15 meters above the water (easily below radar beyond the horizon) the Onyx also executes end run evasive maneuvers as it closes onto it's target. And by my own estimate I'm guessing that a targeted warship has less than 30 seconds after detection to do something about the incoming missile(s)* before impact - and if there's a salvo of a one or two dozen incoming Onyx or Sunburn missiles (let alone a salvo of subsonic Exocet missiles) one might as well kiss one's own ass goodbye...

*if a nation's military fires one anti-ship cruise missile, they might as well fire a couple of dozen for good measure


i don't think the US will get their ass kicked in combat, but if they did, since the US $ strength seems to depend on US military alleged superiority - would the $ crumple ?


sure, yes, it's hypothetical, but i always wonder of the rest of the world, "why do you guys act like the US $ is actually worth something ?"

[BrewTech]

Onyx streaks along its extended 200+ kilometer flight path at a blistering Mach 2.9 [2,100 mph], while hugging the ground even closer at an average altitude of only 45 feet.

Damn...that's 3080 fps.

.308 Winchester muzzle velocity is about 2900 fps.

Sheesh.

[mick silver]

we have been at worldwar since sept 11 but all that both sides have been doing was beating up the little player so far . russia never forgot what we did to them . are we not in the same country that broke them in a war and we gave the ones they were fighting all the toys to win with and didnt the same people who fought russia say they would also break the usa with endless wars around the world . think for a second ,,, could they also team up on the usa this time around