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3rd September 2013, 04:50 AM
On Labor Day 2013, Welfare Pays More Than Minimum-Wage Work In 35 States
Avik Roy, Contributor rightwingskeptic

Since 2009, the Fair Labor Standards Act has dictated that the federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Some people think that’s too low; others think it’s too high. But it turns out that, in 35 states, it’s a better deal not to work—and instead, to take advantage of federal welfare programs—than to take a minimum-wage job. That’s the takeaway from a new study published by Michael Tanner and Charles Hughes of the Cato Institute.

“The current welfare system provides such a high level of benefits that it acts as a disincentive for work,” Tanner and Hughes write in their new paper. “Welfare currently pays more than a minimum-wage job in 35 states, even after accounting for the Earned Income Tax Credit,” which offers extra subsidies to low-income workers who take work. “In 13 states [welfare] pays more than $15 per hour.”

Losing ground in the war on poverty

The welfare system, at its best, is a system that gives people a way to live when they can’t find work for themselves, when they’re down on their luck. At its worst, the welfare system rewards people for not working, and incentivizes people to develop habits that make it harder for them to find work in the future, miring them in permanent poverty.

In 1984, a predecessor of mine at the Manhattan Institute, Charles Murray, published the definitive book on this subject, Losing Ground: American Social Policy 1950-1980. Murray found that despite the fact that we were spending trillions of dollars on anti-poverty programs, poverty was not improving; indeed, on many measures, it was getting worse.

Things had gotten so bad that a Democratic presidential candidate, Bill Clinton, campaigned in 1992 on a platform to “end welfare as we know it, to make welfare a second chance, not a way of life.” In 1996, Clinton signed into law a landmark welfare-reform bill called the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which, among other things, required recipients of cash welfare payments to seek work, or lose their benefits.

But though the 1996 reforms did shrink the cash welfare rolls, other programs have grown substantially in the last 17 years, so much so it appears that the significance of the 1996 reforms may have been overstated.

The welfare system has grown since 1996

In 1995, Cato published The Work vs. Welfare Trade-Off, which examined the value of welfare benefits in every state. They found that, in 40 states, welfare paid more than $8 an hour; in 17 states, welfare paid more than $10 an hour. Tanner, the principal author of that study, decided to reexamine the numbers in the context of 2013.

In Cato’s new 2013 study, welfare paid more than $10 an hour in 33 states; 17 paid less than $8 an hour. Comparing the two data sets and accounting for inflation, 18 states saw a decline in the total value of welfare benefits; 32 states and the District of Columbia saw increases.

Tanner and Hughes award the national welfare championship to Hawaii, which offers $60,590 in annual welfare benefits, once you account for the fact that welfare benefits are tax-free to the recipient, compared to work-related wages. That’s the equivalent of $29.13 an hour. Rounding out the top five were D.C. ($50,820 per year and $24.43 an hour), Massachusetts ($50,540 and $24.30), Connecticut ($44,370 and $21.33), and New York ($43,700 and $21.01).

States with the lowest welfare benefits were Idaho ($11,150 and $5.36), Mississippi ($11,830 and $5.69), Tennessee ($12.120 and $5.83), Arkansas ($12,230 and $5.88), and Texas ($12,550 and $6.03).

Vermont increased welfare payments by the largest amount

The biggest jump in welfare payments between 1995 and 2013 was enjoyed by Vermont, where annual pre-tax-equivalent benefits jumped from $31,580 to $42,350 in 2013 dollars: an increase of $10,770. Other big gainers were D.C. ($6,850), Hawaii ($5,589), New Hampshire ($5,299), and Oregon ($5,288).

The biggest decrease was in Alaska, where benefits dropped from $48,655 to $26,400, a difference of $22,255. The other major belt-tighteners were Virginia (-$20,035), Maine (-$18,718), Colorado (-$16,830), and Idaho (-$16,048).

Tanner and Hughes count 126 distinct federal means-tested anti-poverty programs in force today. For the purposes of their study, they looked specifically at: (1) Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), the post-1996 cash welfare program; (2) the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), formerly known as food stamps; (3) Medicaid; (4) housing assistance; (5) utilities assistance; (6) the Women, Infants, and Children program (WIC), and (7) the Emergency Food Assistance Program (TEFAP).

Not all of these benefits apply to every welfare beneficiary, and some are time-limited, like TANF. But it remains true that an alarming number of welfare beneficiaries do not have an economic incentive to find entry-level work.

Also striking about the Tanner and Hughes study is the degree to which this problem would be much worse without the Earned Income Tax Credit, which offers subsidies to working low-income individuals. In effect, the EITC serves as a negative income tax for those with little-to-no income tax liability. It ameliorates the disincentive that welfare recipients have to seek work.

The Swedish solution: Tax welfare benefits

A better way to address this problem would be to treat welfare benefits like taxable income. Even low-income workers with no income tax liability have to pay Social Security and Medicare taxes. But welfare benefits are entirely tax-free.

As Reihan Salam has noted, Sweden has a generous welfare state. But Sweden treats welfare benefits as taxable income. This gives even welfare beneficiaries an incentive to support efficient government, providing a welcome blur between “makers” and “takers.” In Sweden, according to Tino Sanandaji, “an astonishing 85 percent of working-age native Swedes work and pay taxes, far above the European average of 70 percent.”

You could even increase the scale of welfare benefits, in order to ensure that the taxable net income to welfare beneficiaries remained similar. Such a change would allow for more straightforward comparisons of income from work and income from welfare, and reduce the disincentive for work.

Obamacare is doing much to make it harder for Americans to find work, especially full-time work. At the same time, the aging of the Baby Boomers and the growth in welfare payments is making it easier for Americans to give up on looking for work. If we do nothing, this won’t end well.


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http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/02/on-labor-day-2013-welfare-pays-more-than-minimum-wage-work-in-35-states/

Twisted Titan
3rd September 2013, 04:57 AM
Bread and Circuses has always kept the unwashed masses at bay since the time of The Romans

palani
3rd September 2013, 05:06 AM
Look ... if you are on welfare and win the $100 million dollar lottery some people expect you to pay back what you were paid on welfare.

If you are working and win the $100 million dollar lottery then it is all yours (less federal taxes, state taxes, local taxes, relatives expenses, payment to the convenience store, you must pay your own expenses when you go to pick up the big check, etc).

I resolve the conundrum by not playing the lottery and staying away from welfare. Don't work much either.

Shami-Amourae
3rd September 2013, 05:15 AM
Look ... if you are on welfare and win the $100 million dollar lottery some people expect you to pay back what you were paid on welfare.

If you are working and win the $100 million dollar lottery then it is all yours (less federal taxes, state taxes, local taxes, relatives expenses, payment to the convenience store, you must pay your own expenses when you go to pick up the big check, etc).

I resolve the conundrum by not playing the lottery and staying away from welfare. Don't work much either.

Lotteries exist as revenue streams for the State.

palani
3rd September 2013, 05:17 AM
Lotteries exist as revenue streams for the State.

By Jove ... and so does welfare. No difference attalllll!!!!

Neuro
3rd September 2013, 08:11 AM
In Sweden, according to Tino Sanandaji, “an astonishing 85 percent of working-age native Swedes work and pay taxes, far above the European average of 70 percent.”
That is a very important distinction to make. I wonder what the corresponding numbers is for non-native Swedes? I know Somalis don't work at all, and they tend to have 5+ spawns too.

Twisted Titan
3rd September 2013, 09:18 AM
Lotteries exist as revenue streams for the State.

Lotteries exist for people that dont know how to do simple math.

Shami-Amourae
3rd September 2013, 09:26 AM
Lotteries exist for people that dont know how to do simple math.

That too.
:)

Hitch
3rd September 2013, 09:57 AM
Lotteries exist for people that dont know how to do simple math.

Lotteries also exist on hope. The most financially challenged seem to buy the most tickets. Which is probably why you hear about all these winners blowing it all and ending up broke again.

Ponce
3rd September 2013, 10:09 AM
I am guilty of playing the lotto, one ticket, when it goes above 200 millions....... the thoughts that come in that dream of winning the lotto is worth the money...........if winning the big one my plans are 1= a one week party at an isolated island for every one here and $10,000 2= a anti Zionist radio station to teach the world who those people really are.............. at my age I don't need much money and I am not trying to impress any woman.

V

Celtic Rogue
3rd September 2013, 10:20 AM
I spend on average 5 dollars a week when I can play... I just won $500 on a $5 scratch off. That got me with what I already had a nice AR15! I love to wager and gamble. to a point. Never with money needed to survive on.

Twisted Titan
3rd September 2013, 10:28 AM
Your being strategic CR and recreational about your purchases

Most folks are bound foot and chain to that Siren of destituation that plays a melodious tune.

milehi
3rd September 2013, 10:34 AM
Because of this site and the old site, I'm pretty much retired and debt free in my early 40s. Once I joined the old site in 07 I knew what my goal was. I'm on tour. Reporting live from north central az.

Edit. FTW

Ares
3rd September 2013, 11:27 AM
Because of this site and the old site, I'm pretty much retired and debt free in my early 40s. Once I joined the old site in 07 I knew what my goal was. I'm on tour. Reporting live from north central az.

Edit. FTW

Congrats, that's been my goal as well. Can you elaborate on how you did it? I'm just trying to accumulate enough FRN's to live comfortably and a job be an option instead of a necessity.

milehi
3rd September 2013, 11:49 AM
Congrats, that's been my goal as well. Can you elaborate on how you did it? I'm just trying to accumulate enough FRN's to live comfortably and a job be an option instead of a necessity.

The best advice my dad gave me was to pay myself first. It doesn't matter if its my paycheck or 12 bucks from taking the recycling in. I pay myself 15-20%. Always. And, don't take life too seriously. Life is just a dream, so goes the song.

Hitch
3rd September 2013, 12:03 PM
Congrats, that's been my goal as well. Can you elaborate on how you did it? I'm just trying to accumulate enough FRN's to live comfortably and a job be an option instead of a necessity.

That's my goal too. As much as I really enjoy my job, and it would be hard to give up, I do feel a bit chained to it however. While I don't ever plan on 'retiring' so to speak, I would like to work 3 months out of the year and take the rest of the 9 months off.

Have the freedom to work when I want, on my own terms.

I'm maybe 2-3 years from doing that, and in my industry it's possible thankfully. Now however, I'm just enjoying what I do and keep getting the certs I need.

singular_me
3rd September 2013, 12:04 PM
welfare more than the minimum wage... another step toward the final dead end....

but the whole society is amok... the CEO pay is insane

the system must go down the toilet - and the soon the better

milehi
3rd September 2013, 12:12 PM
That's my goal too. As much as I really enjoy my job, and it would be hard to give up, I do feel a bit chained to it however. While I don't ever plan on 'retiring' so to speak, I would like to work 3 months out of the year and take the rest of the 9 months off.

Have the freedom to work when I want, on my own terms.

I'm maybe 2-3 years from doing that, and in my industry it's possible thankfully. Now however, I'm just enjoying what I do and keep getting the certs I need.

I'm down to 2-3 days a week. I need a lot of downtime. I've whittled the bills down to utilities and insurance. The rest of the time I fuck off with a capital F. Like right now. I'm sitting in a hotel lobby in central az nursing a bloody mary. I do have to work tomorrow but that's light years away and I have the whole day ahead of me. And I have my kid with me who is a deciple of my school of not taking shit seriously.

Hitch
3rd September 2013, 12:32 PM
Thanks milehi. One thing I'll definitely say about folks on this forum, we live unique and interesting lives. With all the doom and gloom we discuss, it is very important to remember to not take things so seriously.

I've been effing off the last few days as well..just relaxing and enjoying a slow pace of life. I tend to work very hard, long hours, but I get a lot of time off too. Plus, don't take work home with me at all. Basically, I have zero responsibilities and sometimes it can be difficult to pursue goals when life is pretty damn great right now.