is this a wild grape or something that will kill me if i eat it?

[chad]

i was just out on part of the property i hardly ever frequent. found a huge pile of these things growing all over, the vine went up in to some trees at least 15 feet high or more. there are tons of these little wild clusters all over.

wild grapes or death?

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[Dogman]

i was just out on part of the property i hardly ever frequent. found a huge pile of these things growing all over, the vine went up in to some trees at least 15 feet high or more. there are tons of these little wild clusters all over.

wild grapes or death?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscadine

[Cebu_4_2]

Looks like you can make wine with them :o

[chad]

i don't think it's muscadine. the leaves look different than all of the leaf pics i just perused online. but, maybe it is, i don't know.

[Libertytree]

They make great jams/jellies too.

[Libertytree]

i don't think it's muscadine. the leaves look different than all of the leaf pics i just perused online. but, maybe it is, i don't know.

Send your pics to the local ag office, they should be able to give you specific info for your region.

[chad]

okay, that's a good idea lt. there's a crapton of them.

[ArgenteumTelum]

Chad,
I am a certified tree farmer self-managing a larger woodlot of mostly hardwoods. The grape vines that climb into the trees will eventually kill the trees because their leaves are quite large and shade out the tree's leaves. Eventually, it will create a tangled mess that gets tough to clear when things fall over. My forestry consultant advised me to cut the vines I could handle with loppers as high as I could reach above my head. That way, the dangling leftovers are a visible sign as to which areas have been cut. The rest had to be chain sawed, some with 6" diameters. I carried a small spray bottle filled with diesel to spray on those remaining stumps to kill them. To gain control took me 2 years. It's a never ending process, as wildlife eat the grapes and distribute seeds in their scat. I have the grape vines under control but even 20 years later still work on multiflora rose and honeysuckle...grrrr.
AT

[Libertytree]

If you find out that they're viable and want to keep them you could make some cuttings or dig a few of them up and transplant them to a place for a small vineyard. My grandparents had one (muscadine) and it was a great, she made jelly and jam and at the end of the season we had raisins that she used for cookies and pies.

[chad]

the "grapes" have 2-3 seeds and it has tendrils on the plant. thinking it's a grape.

[Hitch]

the "grapes" have 2-3 seeds and it has tendrils on the plant. thinking it's a grape.

Give them to your kids and see what happens. This is what kids are for, if they don't get sick, you are a-ok. If they do get sick, then you know not to eat them.

[Celtic Rogue]

This might help...


Wild Grapes at Chateau Z Vineyard



Here are the wild grapes currently in the collection at Chateau Z. All are very resistant to disease and insects, but they are not wine or table grapes by any stretch of the imagination. These grapes can develop high sugar contents but it is always accompanied by high acid levels, often 5-10 times higher than cultivated grapes. A big goal that has always been in the mind of American breeders is to get the great disease and insect resistance and lose the acid and (often) strange flavors. The great experiments of the past (such as the Norton variety) are a beacon to guide modern breeders if the advice can be gleaned from the historical literature.
Vitis aestivalis http://chateau-z.com/images/aestivalisbunchandleaves.jpg
Typical eastern Blue Ridge (of Virginia) Vitis aestivalis.
http://chateau-z.com/images/aestivalisbunchandleaves2.jpg
Another typical eastern Blue Ridge (of Virginia) Vitis aestivalis.
http://chateau-z.com/images/aestivalisbunchbigberry.jpg
Fairly large berry Vitis aestivalis from near the Chateau.
http://chateau-z.com/images/aestivalisberriesandseed.jpg
Closeup of our Vitis aestivalis berries and seed.
http://chateau-z.com/images/richmondgiantaestivalis.jpg
This is a Vitis aestivalis vine along the James River in Richmond, Virginia. Vines of this size are frequently reported in historical references to wild American grapes, but in the 21st century such sightings are becoming rarer and rarer.

Vitis labrusca http://chateau-z.com/images/greystonelabrusca.jpg
Greystone labrusca. A very interesting eastern Blue Ridge (of Virginia) Vitis labrusca. This vine was found in the National Forest in Amherst County and has peculiarly adherent berries compared to other wild labruscas in the area. It also has winged bunches which is unusual for wild labruscas in this area. It has ALL the foxiness of a good wild labrusca, however!

Vitis bicolor http://chateau-z.com/images/ohbicolor.jpg
This is a typical Ohio Vitis bicolor vine growing in Ashland County, Ohio. Several green cuttings were propagated from a very similar pistillate vine in 2004 for breeding at the Chateau. This variety is also known as "northern aestivalis" because of it's closely allied southern variants. As suggested by Lon Rombough on online discussions, this grape could be the foundation for the development of a cold-hardy Norton analogue that would bring the fine flavors and toughness of the aestivalis family to northern vineyards.

Vitis cordifolia http://chateau-z.com/images/wagontrailcordifolia2.jpg
This beauty is Vitis cordifolia from directly across the road from Chateau Z. It was discovered in Fall 2004 when our friend Tim was dared to taste it and when he did he didn't spit it out and say yuck, but instead, reported that it was sour but not bad tasting. This led to the making of a test batch of wine that came out remarkably tasty. It is an extremely high acid grape, but the flavor is unique from the cordifolia typical of our area which has the unpleasant fetidness typically reported for the grape. While Cliff will use the fetid types in breeding at the Sweet Briar Community Garden (http://www.faculty.sbc.edu/cambers/SBCG/grapebreeding.html), this salal-flavored variety will be the basis of cordifolia breeding at Chateau Z.
http://chateau-z.com/images/wagontrailcordifolia3.jpg
Wagon Trail Vitis cordifolia.
http://chateau-z.com/images/wagontrailcordifolia1.jpg
Wagon Trail Vitis cordifolia.

Vitis cinerea var. Baileyana

[Celtic Rogue]

Vitis cinerea var. Baileyana This is our smallest berried wild grape, typically only 1/8" in diamater in small, 1.5-3" clusters. It is fairly neutrally flavored and is reportedly resistant to leaf roller attack (per Munson), so it does have things to offer in breeding.
http://chateau-z.com/images/CZgrapes/Richland,%20MS,%20cinerea%202.jpg
Richland, MS Vitis cinerea.
http://chateau-z.com/images/CZgrapes/cinerea%203.jpg
Sweet Briar Vitis cinerea.
http://chateau-z.com/images/CZgrapes/cinerea%204.jpg
Sweet Briar Vitis cinerea.
http://chateau-z.com/images/CZgrapes/Wagon%20Trail%20cinerea.jpg
Wagon Trail Vitis cinerea.

Vitis riparia Sour but able to achieve very high solids, riparia is already incorporated into several cultivars and promises much for the New American Viticulture. IN addition to local strains, we have several selections from around the country supplied by the USDA, and other breeders. Also, in 2004 we had about 200 seeds returned to us from crosses made by Herb Fritzke in St. Paul, MN, of his select riparia with the fetid cordifolia. These may produce very interesting starting points for future hybrids. Recent acquisitions include a nice wild riparia from Lodi, OH, and a possibly white riparia from Polk, OH.
http://chateau-z.com/images/CZgrapes/Stevenson%20brook%20winegrape%20seedling%202.jpg
Stowe, VT Vitis riparia.
http://chateau-z.com/images/CZgrapes/beta.jpg
Beta, Louis Seulter's hybrid of Vitis riparia X Vitis labrusca.

Vitis rupestris We have two rupestris varieties from the USDA, Alphonse de Serres from Texas and R-66-4 from the St. Francois Mtns. in SE Missouri. Vitis rupestris is one of the foundation native grapes of the French hybrids from the 19th century. If there is a "French hybrid aroma," it probably owes it's existence to this North American native.
http://chateau-z.com/images/CZgrapes/Alphonse%20de%20Serres%20rupestris.jpg
Texas (Alphonse de Serres) Vitis rupestris.
Stop back for more pics in the coming years!

http://www.chateau-z.com/wildgrapes.html

[chad]

okay, i just got back from the extension office. the guy there said they are concords, totally safe. so, now i guess i have to figure out how to make wine, because i have a boatload of them! gallons and gallons of them are back there :D

[Horn]

You do that barefoot thing in a tub, but first you need to find real Italian or French girls.

[Libertytree]

okay, i just got back from the extension office. the guy there said they are concords, totally safe. so, now i guess i have to figure out how to make wine, because i have a boatload of them! gallons and gallons of them are back there :D

You'll need a crusher/destemmer and a press. There's a ton of info out there.

[Horn]

You'll need a crusher/destemmer and a press. There's a ton of info out there.

Dude you're a real downer sometimes, what's wrong with finding real barefoot Italian or French girls?

[willie pete]

Concord grapes are what "Welches" grape juice is made from, I'd say you've hit a Jack-Pot!!!!

[Libertytree]

Dude you're a real downer sometimes, what's wrong with finding real barefoot Italian or French girls?

Nothing wrong with finding the gals but I sure as hell wouldn't have them stomping grapes, can't you think of alternative activities?

[Horn]

Nothing wrong with finding the gals but I sure as hell wouldn't have them stomping grapes, can't you think of alternative activities?

The grapes are first, how their feet get cleaned will remain unwritten.

Do not question this, I'm having visions.

[MNeagle]

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/lucille-ball-grape-stomping-collage.jpg

[Hitch]

Do not question this, I'm having visions.

You probably have visions from drinking bad wine, made with unclean feet.

Now I know why you are even crazier than me.

What you vision as a hot French babe, with sexy feet, most likely looks more like this...

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[Horn]

You probably have visions from drinking bad wine, made with unclean feet.

Now I know why you are even crazier than me.

What you vision as a hot French babe, with sexy feet, most likely looks more like this...

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How am I supposed to sell a dream, when all I have to work with are dreamslayers?

If there's any message that needs to be accepted here, its that you all need work on your presentation if we're going to drink wine.

This requires only the purest of female feet from in and around the Savoy that are currently available.

[Cebu_4_2]

http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2217298/82292341.jpg

[Horn]

I've found the feet to do the job.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?72558-Dragon-Skin&p=659328&viewfull=1#post659328

[Cebu_4_2]

I've found the feet to do the job.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?72558-Dragon-Skin&p=659328&viewfull=1#post659328

WTF is that???

[Horn]

WTF is that???

You're looking at Book's post, yeah we can't help those.

The two in sneakers above it.

[Cebu_4_2]

You're looking at Book's post, yeah we can't help those.

The two in sneakers above it.

Was replying to your post.


I've found the feet to do the job.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...l=1#post659328 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?72558-Dragon-Skin&p=659328&viewfull=1#post659328)

[Horn]

Was replying to your post.

O.K.

would you like fries with that?

[Hitch]

Was replying to your post.

Why didn't you respond to Horn's post in the actual thread it was posted in? :(??

See Chad, this is what happens when you post about a grape horde to a bunch of alcoholics. :)

[chad]

eh, too drunk!

[Cebu_4_2]

Why didn't you respond to Horn's post in the actual thread it was posted in? :(??


I felt this was a more appropriate place.