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Serpo
8th September 2013, 01:35 PM
Smokers need not apply in one Florida county, which will soon require prospective job applicants to pass a nicotine test before starting work.
The Board of County Commissioners in Flagler County, in northeast Florida, voted last month to require potential county employees to undergo testing for nicotine use and to pledge in a signed affidavit that they will remain tobacco-free throughout their employment.
But the requirements have raised flags for a civil liberties group that said it is unconstitutional for the government to administer blanket tests for nicotine or drugs on any group of people.
The board chairman, Nate McLaughlin, told ABC News that rising health insurance costs and Flagler County's generally health-conscious outlook prompted the change. The county offers its employees weight-loss and smoking-cessation programs, and has a nutritionist and exercise physiologist available for staff.
Research has shown smokers hurt employers with lower productivity and higher health insurance. A recent study (http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/smokework.htm) said they cost employers in the private sector an average of more than $5,800 more per year than non-smokers do.
"At the end of the day, for the taxpayers, it's a smart business decision," McLaughlin said.
Other public employers have adopted similar policies, including the county's sheriff's department, according to Joe Mayer, the county's human resources director.
"We're following our own sheriff's department, who actually beat us to the punch," Mayer told ABC News.
Testing would begin Oct. 1 for all applicants who receive a conditional job offer, and would be part of the urine drug screening that the county already conducts. If applicants test positive for nicotine, the county will not consider them for employment for one year after the screening. If a new employee violates the policy, he or she could be fired.
But the policy may run afoul of the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, according to Baylor Johnson, a spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida. The amendment protects against unreasonable searches and seizures.
The U.S. Supreme Court has, on a number of occasions, struck down blanket testing of public employees and public school students, citing the Fourth Amendment.
Many Florida counties have drug-testing policies that violate these judgments, and the ACLU of Florida has challenged several of those policies and a similar statewide executive order, Johnson told ABC News.
"The government can't randomly drug test entire sections of the population, whether that's state employees or people receiving government benefits, without suspicion of wrongdoing," Johnson said.
The ACLU of Florida contends Flagler County's policy of drug testing all prospective employees already violates the Constitution.
"What they've essentially done is added another possibly unconstitutional provision to an already unconstitutional policy," Johnson said.
The county's lawyers are aware of the Supreme Court ruling but still approved the policy, pointing instead to a 1995 Florida Supreme Court ruling (http://www.leagle.com/decision/19951678653So2d1025_11585) that an applicant to a city government job had no reasonable expectation of privacy with respect to tobacco use.
"You have a responsibility to the public," Flagler County Administrator Craig Coffey told ABC News. "It'd be no different than doing a credit check on people handling money. … In this case, it's a tobacco check."


http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/florida-county-bans-smokers-jobs-100038130--abc-news-topstories.html

palani
8th September 2013, 01:47 PM
Decided I would change a word and see if I could come up with a more favorable outcome to this scenario.


Gays need not apply in one Florida county, which will soon require prospective job applicants to pass a Gays test before starting work.
The Board of County Commissioners in Flagler County, in northeast Florida, voted last month to require potential county employees to undergo testing for Gays use and to pledge in a signed affidavit that they will remain Gays-free throughout their employment.
But the requirements have raised flags for a civil liberties group that said it is unconstitutional for the government to administer blanket tests for Gays on any group of people.
The board chairman, Nate McLaughlin, told ABC News that rising health insurance costs and Flagler County's generally health-conscious outlook prompted the change. The county offers its employees weight-loss and Gays-cessation programs, and has a nutritionist and exercise physiologist available for staff.
Research has shown Gays hurt employers with lower productivity and higher health insurance. A recent study said they cost employers in the private sector an average of more than $5,800 more per year than non-Gays do.
"At the end of the day, for the taxpayers, it's a smart business decision," McLaughlin said.
Other public employers have adopted similar policies, including the county's sheriff's department, according to Joe Mayer, the county's human resources director.
"We're following our own sheriff's department, who actually beat us to the punch," Mayer told ABC News.
Testing would begin Oct. 1 for all applicants who receive a conditional job offer, and would be part of the urine drug screening that the county already conducts. If applicants test positive for Gays, the county will not consider them for employment for one year after the screening. If a new employee violates the policy, he or she could be fired.
But the policy may run afoul of the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, according to Baylor Johnson, a spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida. The amendment protects against unreasonable searches and seizures.
The U.S. Supreme Court has, on a number of occasions, struck down blanket testing of public employees and public school students, citing the Fourth Amendment.
Many Florida counties have drug-testing policies that violate these judgments, and the ACLU of Florida has challenged several of those policies and a similar statewide executive order, Johnson told ABC News.
"The government can't randomly Gays test entire sections of the population, whether that's state employees or people receiving government benefits, without suspicion of wrongdoing," Johnson said.
The ACLU of Florida contends Flagler County's policy of Gays testing all prospective employees already violates the Constitution.
"What they've essentially done is added another possibly unconstitutional provision to an already unconstitutional policy," Johnson said.
The county's lawyers are aware of the Supreme Court ruling but still approved the policy, pointing instead to a 1995 Florida Supreme Court ruling that an applicant to a city government job had no reasonable expectation of privacy with respect to Gays use.
"You have a responsibility to the public," Flagler County Administrator Craig Coffey told ABC News. "It'd be no different than doing a credit check on people handling money. … In this case, it's a Gays check."

gunDriller
8th September 2013, 01:53 PM
i remember when this happened in Silicon Valley in the 80's.

there were a small group of highly experienced & very productive engineers who had grown up smoking at their desk.

all of a sudden, that was FORBIDDEN.


i sort of felt sorry for them because some of them did their best work whilst smoking.

one co-worker adapted by taking all his drawings to the second cafeteria/ break room, because smoking was still allowed there.

Celtic Rogue
8th September 2013, 01:57 PM
I am not a smoker... but I think this smacks of discrimination!

This country was founded on personal freedoms and liberty, Not prohibitions and job denials for reasons that are totally unconstitutional.

First they banned alcohol... for a while, then drugs of all types ... then smoking in public places and on and on it goes!

We need a return to personal liberty as the founders had set forth in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights! And get far far away from all of this NANNY state crap that has come our way under the guise of its for the children or whatever they will try and sell it to the public with.

Cant we all just live our own lives and our pursuit of freedom as guaranteed by the Constitution!

Serpo
8th September 2013, 02:01 PM
Cant we all just live our own lives and our pursuit of freedom as guaranteed by the Constitution!




Er............ NO thats been banned........................

Horn
8th September 2013, 02:14 PM
Cant we all just live our own lives and our pursuit of freedom as guaranteed by the Constitution!

Strict laws need to be written on what needs to be Insured, and what isn't permitted to be insured. Of course public employees who hold the public's life in their hands probably should be tested. ie: busdrivers

The primary cause are insurance companies, and their ability to only pick the cream of the crop. It is discriminatory.

Insurance killed the U.S. & its Constitution.

Ponce
8th September 2013, 02:30 PM
While at the hospital waiting for my ride back home I noticed a "NO SMOKING" sign outside.......OUTSIDE......what the hell is wrong with smoking outside?

V

Twisted Titan
8th September 2013, 03:24 PM
It will soon be banned in your home if you have childeren or elderly members.

For their safety of course.

Shami-Amourae
8th September 2013, 03:50 PM
Related:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-q4QAqN6Bw

zap
8th September 2013, 04:52 PM
LOL , I don't smoke anymore, but I am addicted to Nicotine lozenges (coughdrops).... How would that work?

Hitch
8th September 2013, 05:07 PM
LOL , I don't smoke anymore, but I am addicted to Nicotine lozenges (coughdrops).... How would that work?

You'd probably need to stay off them for 3 days or so, to clear the nicotine out of your system for the test.

This story is a bit misleading. The county isn't banning employees who smoke from new jobs, just new jobs with the county. .Gov jobs. Not private jobs. You can still smoke and work for other places in that county.

This really isn't anything new. I once worked for a company that had a no smoking policy. The private company has all rights to create policies like that, so the county should too.

Horn
8th September 2013, 06:49 PM
The private company has all rights to create policies like that, so the county should too.

Nope.

Your line of thinking along with Insurance is what destroyed the U.S. & its Constitution.

Public Entities aren't free to make any policy they want.

And most of the time its not Constitutional for them to even bring it to a vote.

Hitch
8th September 2013, 07:07 PM
Nope.

Your line of thinking along with Insurance is what destroyed the U.S. & its Constitution.

Public Entities aren't free to make any policy they want.

And most of the time its not Constitutional for them to even bring it to a vote.

I agree. I stand corrected.

Horn
8th September 2013, 07:35 PM
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.

Thomas Paine

That's the Spirit of the Constitution, any and all policies written after it should be held in regard to the above quote.

Glass
9th September 2013, 12:22 AM
the problem is one of insurance. This is at the root of many problems. The issue is that the employees will be covered by an health insurance and the insrance provider is not going to cover smoking related illnesses.

Now if you could get a water tight waiver on insurance claims of a smoking related nature there would be no problem. Insurance companies dictate a lot of the loss of liberties people experience because they don't want to pay out.

I think this is what drives DUI roadblocks. The comprehensive insurance tied to vehicle resigtrations states no alcohol allowed by operators. As a result cops gotsta check everyone out for booze.

Horn
9th September 2013, 01:25 AM
the problem is one of insurance. This is at the root of many problems.

If you look into the History of Insurance its all colored very rosy, but the roots our ones that are born out of business extortion and blackmail of street thugs.

What would one expect through from a little brother to dishonest usury money.

The two of them have worked hand in fist to rape, pillage, and destroy most of the world we never knew, or should have known.

Serpo
9th September 2013, 01:41 AM
While at the hospital waiting for my ride back home I noticed a "NO SMOKING" sign outside.......OUTSIDE......what the hell is wrong with smoking outside?

V
That means you cant smoke anywhere OUTSIDE of the hospital.......that means the whole planet.