Dragon Skin

[Glass]

from the wiki so lots of links. Makes for an interesting read. Especially their battle for defence contracts. Wonder how many agendas involved in that.


Dragon Skin is a type of ballistic vest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_vest) made by Pinnacle Armor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnacle_Armor). It is currently produced in Fresno, California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresno,_California). Its characteristic two-inch-wide circular discs overlap like scale armor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_armour), creating a flexible vest that allows a good range of motion and is intended to absorb a high number of hits compared with other military body armor. The discs are composed of silicon carbide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_carbide) ceramic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceramic) matrices and laminates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminate), much like the larger ceramic plates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceramic_plate) in other types of bullet resistant vests.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin_%28body_armor%29#cite_note-1)

The armor is available in three basic protection levels: SOV-2000, which has previously had certification to Level III protection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletproof_vest#Performance_standards);[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin_%28body_armor%29#cite_note-DOJ-2)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin_%28body_armor%29#cite_note-Defense_Review-3) SOV-3000, which is rated as Level IV by the manufacturer, but has not officially certified as such;[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin_%28body_armor%29#cite_note-Defense_Review-3) and a rating-unspecified "Level V" variant not available to the general public.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/PEO_soldier_Dragonskin.jpg/220px-PEO_soldier_Dragonskin.jpg

Dragon Skin has been worn by some civilian contractors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_military_company) in Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq), some special operations forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_forces) in Iraq and Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan),[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin_%28body_armor%29#cite_note-M927-4) some SWAT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWAT) teams,[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin_%28body_armor%29#cite_note-5) nine generals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_officer) in Afghanistan,[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin_%28body_armor%29#cite_note-M927-4)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin_%28body_armor%29#cite_note-MSNBC550-6) bodyguards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodyguard) tasked with protecting generals,[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin_%28body_armor%29#cite_note-MSNBC550-6) and U.S. Secret Service (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secret_Service) personnel.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin_%28body_armor%29#cite_note-M927-4) The Central Intelligence Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency) (CIA) has also purchased Dragon Skin.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin_%28body_armor%29#cite_note-MSNBC550-6) The Seattle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle) superhero Phoenix Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Jones) is also said to have incorporated Dragon Skin into his suit.

Military testing
Dragon Skin became the subject of controversy with the U.S. Army[12] over testing it against its Interceptor body armor. The Army claimed Pinnacle's body armor was not proven to be effective. In tests run for the Air Force there were multiple failures to meet the claimed level of protection. This coupled with poor quality control (over 200 of the 380 vests delivered to USAF OSI were recalled due to improperly manufactured armor disks) and accusations of fraudulent claims of official NIJ rating which Pinnacle had not actually obtained at the time of purchase led to the termination of the USAF contract. Pinnacle attempted to appeal this decision, but courts found in favor of the USAF.[13]


wiki link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin_%28body_armor%29)

[ximmy]

sorry, i don't click on wiki links...

[Cebu_4_2]

History will repeat itself...

http://retrothing.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/armour.jpg

[Glass]

good for you ximmy

no one sees the manipulation persecution and cheating against these guys to make sure the people who have the current contract keep it, despite the dragon skin being leaps ahead. Also, wouldn't you want your guys to be as protected as possible? Why not? Why make decisions that would lead to higher deaths etc.

Just seemed pretty obvious to me. Someone has the contract and doesn't want to lose it. Personally if I was the maker I'd be selling to Joe P.

[ximmy]

good for you ximmy

no one sees the manipulation persecution and cheating against these guys to make sure the people who have the current contract keep it, despite the dragon skin being leaps ahead. Also, wouldn't you want your guys to be as protected as possible? Why not? Why make decisions that would lead to higher deaths etc.

Just seemed pretty obvious to me. Someone has the contract and doesn't want to lose it. Personally if I was the maker I'd be selling to Joe P.

you never need wiki to make a point ... ever! It is entirely pro joo...

http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/dragon-skin/

SOV™ Flexible Body Armorhttp://www.pinnaclearmor.com/images/flexpanel.jpg

"Moves when you Move"™
Developments in body armor over the last thirty years are numerous, but very few actually have revolutionized the industry. The last two major developments were the introduction of Kevlar and Spectra products which significantly lowered weights compared to ballistic nylon. Now, Pinnacle Armor presents a revolutionary technology called DRAGON SKIN®, the first practical, FLEXIBLE BODY ARMOR that defeats rifle rounds.
Pinnacle Armor was founded by a noted inventor and author in the field of ballistic armor, Murray Neal. Mr. Neal has relied on his combined expertise of ballistic sciences and field experience to achieve a quantum leap in technology-the first flexible body armor that defeats rifle fire. Now you can wear armor that flexes and molds to the contours of your body and allows for greater coverage than a rigid 10" x 12" plate which is the typical coverage offered in current technology.
SOV™ flexible armor is completely fabricated in the USA for American Special Forces, Police Tactical Teams and approved foreign militaries.
Unmatched in its capabilities, the SOV™ flexible body armor system provides the following benchmarks never before established in body armor development:


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18790506/ns/us_news-military/t/army-dragon-skin-armor-failed-battery-tests/



WASHINGTON (http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&where1=WASHINGTON&sty=h&form=msdate) — In a rare move, the U.S. Army on Monday released a barrage of test results showing that a privately sold flexible body armor that some families have sought for their soldiers failed extensive military testing.
Pieces of the hefty Dragon Skin armor, with ragged holes torn through its yellow inner skin, were propped up on the floor in the Pentagon, as Army officials systematically detailed the battery of ammunition and temperature testing the armor failed.
Although the tests were done nearly a year ago, the Army declined to release details until Monday, after recent NBC News reports suggested that the Dragon Skin may be better than the Army-issued Interceptor armor.
As a result of the reports, some members of Congress have asked for an investigation into the matter, and others have asked the Army for more information.....

Company implies Army lied
In response, Murray Neal, president of Pinnacle Armor which produces Dragon Skin, suggested that the Army lied about some of the testing, and he questioned why the Army was counting shots that "were fired into the non-rifle defeating areas."

[Serpo]

whos side are TPTB on .........................

[Glass]

so I was reading about Light emitting diodes and ended up reading about that in passing because of the make up of the dragon skins includes the chem. It was something I stumbled across that I thougth demonstrates corruption very well. The sort of corruption that gets innocent people killed..... for want.

The other thing this does is gives me an idea.

and ximmy, I can refer to what ever I want. Thanks.

[ximmy]

so I was reading about Light emitting diodes and ended up reading about that in passing because of the make up of the dragon skins includes the chem. It was something I stumbled across that I thougth demonstrates corruption very well. The sort of corruption that gets innocent people killed..... for want.

The other thing this does is gives me an idea.

and ximmy, I can refer to what ever I want. Thanks.

Yes sir!, you can drink what ever you want. Thanks.
http://www.ladental.org/cms/images/stories/FluorideLOGOslogan.jpg

[Glass]

I know you appear to be a young person but I don't grasp what the issue is exactly. I was reading the wiki for technical info. There is no political or social agenda. The other topic was a tangent I ended up on. I thought it spoke volumes of a particular modus operandi.

you can choose not to follow a link but if you choose not to it doesn't matter to me, if you want to inform the forum of this and why then that's all good but I think your posts in this thread are deliberately provocative not informative. Whats the point? Do we have a beef I don't know about? It would be news to me.

As for flouride, I filter. thanks for your concern.

[Cebu_4_2]

As for flouride, I filter. thanks for your concern.

Been looking into this, you use the bone char or the aluminum filter?

[ximmy]

As for flouride, I filter.

You filter your water for flouride but not the internet for joo influence?

[Glass]

I never thought you would make the list but there you go.

Back to the OT. I think this stuff is an interesting concept. Looking at the xray image my first response was, well that can be improved in terms of the arrangement of the disks. Looking at the Legionaire gives a clue as to how it can be improved. Shape and arrangement.

to me the interesting part, and the reason I ended up looking at that wiki topic, is one of the compounds used to coat the disks in the dragon skin. Its the same material as is used in the Diodes of an LED light. It can emit light when electrically polarised hence the use in LEDs. It is also semi conductive and can be doped for changes in conductivity. This means it has uses in all sorts of diodes not just LED's. It also contributes to an extremely tough surface coating hence it's use in body armour. I am curious about its manufacture and how complicated that process is. The material is used in coating vessels used in steel smelting because it resists heat well above the melting point of steel.

Anyway dragon skin is interesting of it'self.Maybe it will give some other people out there a few ideas. I'm trying to convince a mad scientist friend of mine to see if he can make some of this stuff. he's a bit reluctant after blowing up his lab with a free energy thing he made. I tried to point out the explosion was a sign of success but the large dent in the dispatch door seems to be putting him off at the moment.

[ximmy]

I never thought you would make the list but there you go.


you have thin skin...

[gunDriller]

You filter your water for flouride but not the internet for joo influence?

water is filtered pre-consumption ... or just using well water without fluoride.

internet ... filtered during consumption.


what is the latin word for during ?

e.g. Harvey Organ - has good info, AND he's Jewish and pro-Israel.

we just ignore what he says about Jews & Israel because his pro-Jew bias is blind to the Palestinians.


i think bullet-proof vest would be fun to make.

but possibly not fun to test :)

[Horn]

you have thin skin...

Hence the dragonskin and handle, I've been there a few times myself with glass.

Cool topic, if I were an independently wealthy Batman type fellow this would be first thing on my list of to do items.

My only addition to the simple design might be a fractal type arrangement for the disks of different sizes.

With an all over body type in the flex points, maybe why they look like they miss a few in areas on the X-ray?

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[Glass]

I'm sorry, I don't have time to play with members like ximmy. There just isnt enough of it in each day for provoking people. I don't come here to disrespect or bait people. I come here to learn and discover. Not everyone sees eye to eye but I can move on. I like technical types of subjects that give me ideas about things that could be a benefit to me or others sometime in the future, be it tomorrow, next week, next year or whenever. Something that gets you thinking, what if it was done this way or that way?

Anyhow. I've got some good ideas from this concept and the material that I was researching that led me there. I'm not specifically interested in the body armour side of things but it would be a beneficial side effect. I need a 3D printer.

[Horn]

I'm not specifically interested in the body armour side of things but it would be a beneficial side effect. I need a 3D printer.

Did I miss something?

[ximmy]

I'm sorry, I don't have time to play with members like ximmy.

It was not my desire to break the Glass...

[Horn]

It was not my desire to break the Glass...

Do you think you could handle some grape stomping?

Are you flat footed? :)

[ximmy]

Do you think you could handle some grape stomping?

Are you flat footed? :)

no, I have arched feet, and straight boned toes... crooked toes freak me out! A genetic mishap or something... EEK!

[Horn]

no, I have arched feet, and straight boned toes... crooked toes freak me out! A genetic mishap or something... EEK!

Hmmm, are arched feet better or worse for grape stomping?

I hereby request glass to 3dprint some exceptional dragonskin boots for ximmy until I can investigate this further on the wiki.. err I mean internet.

We will need to know your boot size ximmy :)

[Jewboo]

We will need to know your boot size ximmy :)






http://thewarpig.webblogg.se/images/2011/footguy_149026667.jpg
HORN HIJACKS ANOTHER THREAD...LOL.


:rolleyes:

[Horn]

http://thewarpig.webblogg.se/images/2011/footguy_149026667.jpg
HORN HIJACKS ANOTHER THREAD...LOL.


:rolleyes:



Book this is the second time I've told you, this is about chad's grapes.

There is no fetishism going on here, strictly the fascination and relation of female feet in the making of exceptional wine from the U.S.

Luckily I've found away to protect all female feet I encounter with this dragonskin thread, until I know more.

[Jewboo]

There is no fetishism going on here, strictly the fascination and relation of female feet...





https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4082/4919236208_e063e6188f_z.jpg
HORN publicly denying his fascination with Ximmie's feet.











:rolleyes: it's only about wine making he sez...lol.

[ximmy]

My feet are too small and I would probably bounce on the grapes instead of crushing them, thus injuring myself.

[Hitch]

My feet are too small and I would probably bounce on the grapes instead of crushing them, thus injuring myself.

This is where it is important to realize the effect of positive affirmations. You'll do just fine, ximmy, we all have faith in you. Just keep one eye on your feet, and the other eye on Horn. Just in case Book is right.

[Horn]

My feet are too small and I would probably bounce on the grapes instead of crushing them, thus injuring myself.

Hmmm, a size liability.

Are you able to walk on the snow without snowshoes, or are they so tiny that you sink?

[ximmy]

Hmmm, a size liability.

Are you able to walk on the snow without snowshoes, or are they so tiny that you sink?

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[Jewboo]

Luckily I've found away to protect all female feet I encounter with this dragonskin thread, until I know more.





http://i.imgur.com/ATdYv.jpg




:rolleyes: taste your last batch of foot-stomped wine Horn...it might be tainted.

[Horn]

5352

Where's the chad, someone get the chad in here.

These two sisters appear to have all the ingredients needed for an exceptional grape to wine stomp. I mean they've got it all! Proper coloring, demeanor, and size range... everything!

It appears they have no work to do also!

Chad we need plane tickets at harvest time...and a redwood tub.

[Horn]

My God Book, way to shatter the dream.

I was at least hoping for a supporting role on the label Chateau de Chad.

[EE_]

Ugh, this thread is all ruined now...ruined!

[Jewboo]

My God Book, way to shatter the dream.




http://media.katu.com/images/Steven_George_Bronson_mug.jpg


Foot fetish suspect captured in Clackamas Co.


OREGON CITY, Ore. (AP) - Clackamas County authorities arrested a 46-year-old man accused of fondling the legs and feet of female shoe shoppers.

Detective Jim Strovink says Steven George Bronson was captured Wednesday after an alert woman spotted him in Happy Valley. Surveillance video of a suspect had been broadcast on television.

Strovink says the incidents occurred during the past three weeks in Clackamas County and in Medford.
The man would concoct a reason for women to try on shoes. He would then assist them before rubbing their feet and legs.

Bronson has been charged with sex abuse and lodged at the county jail.
(Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)


:D Just trying to keep you out of jail Horn. Get professional help before it is too late. Nobody here believes your "wine stomping" premise...lol.

[Horn]

Just trying to keep you out of jail Horn.

Aha, so you are now A self admitted.

Who taught you of the ancient tradition and secret mystique to wine making, its obvious from the post above that you know of it too?

[Hitch]

My God Book, way to shatter the dream.

I was at least hoping for a supporting role on the label Chateau de Chad.

OK Horn, I'll help out with the dream.

Here's what you need...the riverdance girls. Imagine the possibilities!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As-DGKue2VA

[chad]

good lord! silver to $100, and i will fly the ladies out with horn to supervise and ponce to give pep talks. after that, we're bottling it all and sending it out for xmas gifts. might as well get toasted before it all goes down!

[Horn]

good lord! silver to $100, and i will fly the ladies out with horn to supervise and ponce to give pep talks. after that, we're bottling it all and sending it out for xmas gifts. might as well get toasted before it all goes down!

$100?!?!*-.*

And what of the wine and tender female feet stirring the sweet juices, dying on the vine? :(

If you wake in the morning and the grapes are gone you'll know who it was... :)