An observation about Americans at the range

[Norweger]

Shoots at target 7 feet away, happy with groupings all over the target, goes home feeling like a man.

[osoab]

You in the states currently?

[Norweger]

No, youtube. Here we shoot at targets 25 meters away. That's the standard.

[palani]

I felt pretty good when I hit a 3" clay pigeon at 100 yards with a Colt 45.... 'Course it took 3 shots.

[Norweger]

You're not a real American then. (just kidding).

Well, the reason for the differences is because on this side of the pond the only legitimate reason for getting a gun is to compete or practice therefore its an entirely different community.

[palani]

You're not a real American then. (just kidding).

Not a bit. I'm French.

[osoab]

No, youtube. Here we shoot at targets 25 meters away. That's the standard.

You are basing your info on the dorks that think they have to upload their shooting practice?


Please...



Real merikans don't upload.


We would rather you find out first hand. :D

[milehi]

I shoot at bedroom distance, living room distance and 40 feet.

[Horn]

4 of top 10 snipers in history from U.S. a Finn takes #1,

Sorry no Nazis made the list.

http://listverse.com/2009/11/13/top-10-snipers-in-history/

[Hitch]

I shoot at bedroom distance, living room distance and 40 feet.

Good man. Police training is all within 10 yards mostly. It's more on speed, than accuracy. Center mass is a big target and the more bullets you put there the fastest is what they teach. They teach close shooting because that's where you are going to find lethal force situations, right in your face.

[Jewboo]

Shoots at target 7 feet away, happy with groupings all over the target, goes home feeling like a man.






http://www.tokyohobby.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/pic_4541.jpg



:rolleyes: EXACTLY. IT ONLY TAKES ONE SHOT. WHY WASTE THE OTHER SHELL?

[Norweger]

Touché!

[Shami-Amourae]

Shoots at target 7 feet away, happy with groupings all over the target, goes home feeling like a man.

7 feet or 7 yards? I think shooting at a paper target at 7 yards is legitimate to learn how to shoot straight. I've never shot at 7 feet away except in outdoor training drills in classes I've taken.

[SWRichmond]

Good man. Police training is all within 10 yards mostly. It's more on speed, than accuracy. Center mass is a big target and the more bullets you put there the fastest is what they teach. They teach close shooting because that's where you are going to find lethal force situations, right in your face.

IMO you should practice pistol fast and close (7 yards and under) multiple rounds / multiple targets, further distances somewhat slower, shooting while moving laterally and axially, longer distances (50 yds+) slowly for accuracy. Fighting rifle same, but longer distances. Mag changes while moving, reholstering, switching from rifle to pistol on the fly, USE OF COVER, shooting around obstacles, use of support, weak hand pistol and rifle, concealed draw live fire, standing in hot sun and foul weather (rain, snow), prone in foul weather (take a change of clothes for the drive home).

Old men are allowed to shoot while comfortably seated at a bench. No one else should.

[Hitch]

IMO you should practice pistol fast and close (7 yards and under) multiple rounds / multiple targets, further distances somewhat slower, shooting while moving laterally and axially, longer distances (50 yds+) slowly for accuracy. Fighting rifle same, but longer distances. Mag changes while moving, reholstering, switching from rifle to pistol on the fly, USE OF COVER, shooting around obstacles, use of support, weak hand pistol and rifle, concealed draw live fire, standing in hot sun and foul weather (rain, snow), prone in foul weather (take a change of clothes for the drive home).

Old men are allowed to shoot while comfortably seated at a bench. No one else should.

That's how the PD training was, for pistol at least. We would be out in the rain, empty mags dropping in the mud, etc. That's the problem with most ranges here. You can't move and shoot at the same time. You can't rapid fire, 1 round per second, etc. It's such a controlled environment at most ranges for everyone's safety. I tend to piss folks off by letting empty mags drop on the ground. I got so used to doing that, I really have to watch myself at the range.

[horseshoe3]

Why does anyone care? It's your mag, you can drop it if you want.

[Hitch]

Why does anyone care? It's your mag, you can drop it if you want.

It's embarrassing to do that with other folk's mags, if I shoot one of their guns.

The whole drop your mag came about because of the newhall massacre, in the 70's (if I remember correctly). They trained LE in academy at the time of 6 shooter revolvers, to put the empty brass in their pockets during training so as to not litter the range. They found empty brass in the pockets of the dead officers after the shooting. So, during the firefight, when reloading, they took the time to save the empty brass, as they did in academy. That training was looked at as wasted time that was lost. So, with mags, the idea being you have a fresh mag in the gun before the empty one even hits the ground. Muscle memory.

http://www.chp.ca.gov/memorial/newhall.html

[Horn]

Fighting rifle same, but longer distances.

Unless you're a fella who shoots those ancient cowboy calibers.

Then you need to purchase a horse to shoot from.