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Serpo
7th October 2013, 11:37 AM
Bring It On: I Will Not Comply with Obamacare Posted by: Daisy Luther (http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/author/opsysgod) | on October 6, 2013


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There. I said it.
I am unequivocally not going to be complying with Obamacare.
I also won’t be purchasing health insurance at 4 times the regular price, nor will I participate in the government-funded “exchange” for “affordable” healthcare (http://www.thedailysheeple.com/obama-wins-you-lose-senate-to-fund-affordable-health-care_092013).
Now, first, let me be clear – this isn’t because I’d be paying $20,000 per year for the crappiest coverage. In reality, Obamacare and the subsidies my family is eligible for would make the cost incredibly reasonable – but that is not the point.
The point is this: I am an American, and as such, I refuse to be forced to purchase anything else. I have already been forced to have car insurance, forced to purchase annually the “privilege” of driving via a license and having a (paid-for) car on the road via a license plate, and forced to pay taxes on my income and every purchase that I make.
When I moved back home to America after living in Canada, I never expected to be subjected to government coercion on this grand scale. I will not comply. The government is fond of saying that they will not negotiate with terrorists. Well, neither will I – and the US government under the reign of Barack Obama is the biggest terrorist organization around.
(http://www.naturalnews.com/042344_Obamacare_ransom_demands_coercive_governmen t.html)
Michael Rivero of What Really Happened (http://whatreallyhappened.com/) gives the best explanation I’ve seen for why the government is so intent that everyone must participate in this program. They have run the country into the ground and want to force us all to pay as they vainly struggle to keep things afloat. This is a last ditch effort – the only alternative is economic collapse.

Obama’s utter refusal to compromise or delay Obamacare is more than mere political grandstanding. Obama has to prove he can continue to make the payments on the government debt. Now, based on reports we are getting form people who did sign up for Obamacare, they are being offered policies that cost about $500 a month, and have a deductible in the tens of thousands. That means that for the vast majority of Americans, they will be paying $500 month for insurance that will in fact pay none of their medical costs. So, $500 a month is $6000 a year times 200 million complying Americans equals $1.2 trillion a year pouring into the Health Insurance companies as pure profit, of which the US Government gets almost $200 billion in taxes (plus the IRS fines on those who refuse to sign up). And THAT is why Obama is demanding that Obamacare move forward now, despite a totally botched computer management system and despite 71% public opposition. Absent that new cash flow, the US Government will collapse, and the one year delay proposed by the House of Representatives is far to long to survive without some new source of loot from the public. (source (http://whatreallyhappened.com/))
It’s clear that our non-compliance in large numbers could stop this madness. We just have to say, “No. I will not comply.”
Why is this such a big deal? There are numerous reasons for my planned non-compliance.
1.) People who make more money than I do should not be forced to subsidize my health care. I have no desire for a handout and this is assuredly a handout. One of my closest friends will be paying over $15,000 per year for a family of 5. With the small amount that I’d pay for my family, it is quite clear that my friend, and others like him, would be paying for us. I have always paid my own bills and don’t expect others to take up my slack. I am not a welfare case.
2.) Despite the fact that my family is apparently far before the poverty level, we don’t feel poor. We have everything we need and some of what we want. I budget carefully in order to be able to pay for things like the emergency trip to the dentist for my daughter last week. My child wears nice clothes to school, always has enough to eat and seems to feel that she has the same privileges and possessions as her friends do.
3.) This is going to delete the middle class. Once the wheels are truly in motion, there will no longer be a middle class. Everyone will be dirt poor or well-to-do. There won’t be any middle ground, as average folks watch their expenses skyrocket. Soon people will be forced to make the choice between Obamacare and food.
4.) This is just another way to make the populace dependent on the benevolence of government. Much like the push to put people on food stamps, what better way to make people dependent than to force them to accept this type of assistance? If private health insurance continues to spiral wildly, then almost no one will be able to afford health care without Obamacare.
5.) This is an assault on my medical privacy. Does the government need to know a person is depressed? If a woman skipped a mammogram that they feel is vital? That someone might have opted for an “alternative” treatment? If they have an STD? If they have a sexual dysfunction? NO. It directly violates the doctor-patient privilege. Furthermore, data has already been leaked and the system isn’t even live yet (http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/hello-obamacare-goodbye-privacy-first-data-leak-reported-and-the-system-isnt-even-live-yet-10022013) – all sorts of non-medical-professionals will have access to my personal information, both medical and financial.
6.) I’m not having my family’s health care decisions made by other people. What happens when I refuse to vaccinate my children? Right now, that is my choice, but when someone else is paying for it, will I still have the option to say no? I always opt for the least chemical, least invasive treatments possible, but when someone else pulls the strings will that still be an option? If I refuse treatment will they refuse payment? Will I no longer be allowed to leave my home during flu season if I don’t get the flu shot (http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/will-you-line-up-for-this-years-lethal-injection-25-safe-natural-alternatives-to-the-flu-shot-09272013)?
What are the ramifications of non-compliance? Noncompliance with Obamacare has harsh penalties. The government wants you to feel as though you have no choice whether or not you participate. The scare tactics are already operational, as one man found when he attempted to opt out of the online sign up.

A man who attempted to sign up for Obamacare online was told that a fine of over $4,000 dollars a year for refusing to take out mandatory health insurance could be taken directly from his bank account, and that his drivers license would be suspended and a federal tax lien placed against his home, according to an entry on the HealthCare.gov Facebook page. (source (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/obamacare-fines-to-be-seized-from-bank-accounts_10022013))
If you refuse to comply, here are some of the potential punishments you could be subject to, according to a Senate research document called The PPACA Penalty Provision and the Internal Revenue Service (http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=2ec1e180-afbf-4a48-ba12-8dea812ac30a).
#1. You will be assessed a penalty by the IRS on your tax bill. You will be told to pay the fine and will not receive any retroactive health care coverage – in other words, you get nothing for your money.

If you skip the insurance, you’ll pay a penalty. For 2014 the fine is $95 for an individual or 1 percent of your income, whichever is greater, along with $47.50 per uninsured child, maxing out at $285 for the year.
But by 2016, an individual would pay $695 or 2.5 percent of your income.
The TurboTax website has a calculator to help you determine how high a penalty you’d pay.
Without insurance, you’d also face a double whammy. By 2016 you’d be forking over almost $700 to the federal government and having nothing to show for it, and still have to pay your own medical bills if you’re injured or become ill. (source (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/not-planning-buy-health-insurance-111054106.html))
#2. If you, like me, refuse to pay that penalty, they’ll up the stakes by withdrawing the penalty from any tax refund that you are due.
#3. If you aren’t due for a tax refund that they can seize, and you still refuse to pay the penalty, the next step might be for the IRS to pursue the penalty in the same way they would any non-payment of taxes.

Section 5000A(g)(1) of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC) states that “the penalty provided by this section shall be paid upon notice and demand by the Secretary.” Subject to certain exceptions, the penalty is to be assessed and collected in the same way as assessable penalties. Assessable penalties generally are assessed and collected in the same manner as taxes.15 (source (http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=2ec1e180-afbf-4a48-ba12-8dea812ac30a))
#4. This could include “silent” liens on your property which you wouldn’t even know about until you tried to sell something big like your home or your car.

Once the tax is assessed, the taxpayer will receive a Notice and Demand for Payment, which will advise the taxpayer of the balance due—the sum of the assessed tax plus interest and applicable penalties—and request payment in full within ten days. If such payment is not made, a federal tax lien will be created under § 6321 of the IRC.18 This is often referred to as a silent lien because, at this point, there has been no notice of federal tax lien (NFTL). Without notice, the IRS’s claim against property still takes priority over most other claims; however, certain claims would be superior to the IRS claim. These include a subsequent purchaser of the property as well as holders of security interests, mechanic’s liens, or judgments, even if they arise later in time.
Generally an individual taxpayer may receive up to 3 more notices requesting payment. The last of these notices is sent by certified mail and is a notice of the IRS’s intent to levy the taxpayer’s assets to satisfy the tax debt. This notice also advises delinquent taxpayers that the IRS may file a NFTL if payment is not made within thirty days. If none of these notices results in payment or a payment arrangement,20 in most cases the account is then transferred to the IRS’s Automated Collection System (ACS) (source (http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=2ec1e180-afbf-4a48-ba12-8dea812ac30a))
#5. Next they could potentially empty your bank account and take your property and sell it out from under you.

Thirty days after providing a Final Notice of Intent to Levy and Notice of Your Right to Appeal, the IRS may levy the taxpayer’s property, both real and personal.22 This means that wages may be garnished until the tax is paid in full. All funds in a bank account that are available for withdrawal on the date the levy is received by the bank may be taken.23 In some cases, the IRS may sell property belonging to the taxpayer after providing public notice and advising the taxpayer of the minimum bid price. (source (http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=2ec1e180-afbf-4a48-ba12-8dea812ac30a))
#6. No mention is made of taking away your driver’s license, but if you happen to be a federal contractor things could get hairy.

Delinquency in federal taxes is a ground for debarment of a federal contractor. However, debarment is not an automatic process and requires that the contracting agency initiate debarment proceedings against a government contractor. (source (http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=2ec1e180-afbf-4a48-ba12-8dea812ac30a))
#7. But maybe they won’t really do it. According to the PPACA, the IRS cannot go further than the silent liens for this particular penalty.

Section 5000A(g)(2) of the IRC limits the means the IRS may employ to collect the penalty established in the section. First, the taxpayer is protected from either criminal prosecution or penalty for failure to pay the penalty. Second, the IRS is prohibited from either filing a NFTL or levying any property in an effort to collect the penalty. There is no prohibition, however, on establishing a statutory lien against the taxpayer’s property under § 6321. No additional limits are placed on the IRS using correspondence or phone calls, either through its own employees or through private collection agencies, in an effort to collect the amount owed. Additionally, no restriction was placed on the IRS’s ability to use the refund offset as a means of collecting the amount due.
Those who are required to pay the penalty for failure to maintain minimum coverage but choose not to do so will be subject to increases in the amount owed due to interest and late payment penalties imposed on the penalty after it has been assessed by the IRS. The IRS may impose interest on tax, including penalties, under § 6601(a), (e)(2), and it may impose penalties under § 6651(a)(3).
A taxpayer who chooses not to pay the required penalty may ultimately forfeit more than the amount ofthe penalty if that taxpayer is ever in the position of having an overpayment to the IRS for any reason, since the refund offset applies not only to overpayments shown on original tax returns, but also to any subsequent adjustments, for example an audit by the IRS that results in an overpayment. Further, as explained above, it is possible that the IRS could present its claim when property is being sold and collect both the original penalty amount along with accrued interest and applicable penalties. (source (http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=2ec1e180-afbf-4a48-ba12-8dea812ac30a))
I’m not a lawyer, but it appears to me that, according to this federal document, the absolute worst case scenario is that you would be assessed penalties on your penalties and the only way they could collect those would be if you sold your home or car. The trustworthiness of both the government and the arm of enforcement for this, the IRS, are dubious, but according to the codes that I am reading, that looks like the ultimate allowable collection strong-arm tactic. (You might still want to consider only letting minimum amounts of money remain in your bank accounts, (http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/how-to-break-up-with-your-bank-03242013) however.)
Join me in saying no. http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/no-obamacare-300x300.jpg (https://www.facebook.com/pages/We-Will-Not-Comply-with-Obamacare/701584733203283)So, Obama regime, bring it on. I’m not just saying no, Mr. President. But HELL, no.
I am ready and waiting for the assaults from the IRS. I understand that within a period of time, I won’t be able to sell any large items that I have paid for – and that is fine – I would prefer to give them away than to pay this blood money. I have read the penalties and realize what I’m in for. I also know how other people who have said no have been treated – the IRS auditors are released like stealth weapons, destroying lives, shutting down accounts, and seizing property in order to make an example out of the resistor.
However, I’m done. I will not be forced anymore. I don’t really care what the Supreme Court says – I have also read the Constitution, and no place in it does it contain the phrase, “Participation in Obamacare is your duty as an American.” Mike Adams of Natural News (http://www.naturalnews.com/042344_Obamacare_ransom_demands_coercive_governmen t.html) referred to this as “unlimited theft and confiscation.” And he’s right.
I’ve started a page on Facebook called We Will Not Comply with Obamacare (https://www.facebook.com/pages/We-Will-Not-Comply-with-Obamacare/701584733203283), where I can pass on all of the information I come across regarding noncompliance with Obamacare. Please join me there if you have a social media account. Based on the figures that Michael Rivero put forth, the refusal of a small percentage of us to participate in this extortion could throw a giant cog in the wheels of this plan. If we have learned anything about resistance over the last few years, it is that the power of social media can be an enormous factor in educating the public and letting the government and large corporations know that our voices will be heard.
Sometimes revolution can be as simple as stating a calm and unwavering, “No. I will not comply.”


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ximmy
7th October 2013, 12:07 PM
if you type in boycott obamacare into google, almost all results are promoting obamacare.

google is probably promised a share of tax dollars gleaned for the Ocare money grab.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5468&d=1381169212

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Serpo
7th October 2013, 12:16 PM
Epic fail: 99% of Obamacare applications can’t be processed, ‘nightmare scenario’ coming in January (http://www.infowars.com/epic-fail-99-of-obamacare-applications-cant-be-processed-nightmare-scenario-coming-in-january/)



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Mike Adams
Natural News (http://www.naturalnews.com/042376_Obamacare_epic_fail_Healthcaregov.html)
October 7, 2013
Obamacare is going to crash and burn from technical issues more than political concerns, it seems. You’ve probably already heard that virtually no one can sign up using the online Obamacare exchanges. The web forms are broken. The code is buggy. The data integration is a jaw-dropping failure.
http://static.prisonplanet.com/slideshow/071013obamacare.jpgImage: Obamacare Supporters.

This is why, all over the country and across the media, no one can seem to locate anyone who has successfully signed up through Healthcare.gov. Even the one person the Obama administration rolled out as a “success case” turns out to be completely staged and fabricated (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-04/is-obamacare-s-first-enrollee-bogus-.html).
But there’s even more shocking news about Obamacare that could utterly destroy any credibility the system might have remaining: Of those applications who somehow make it through the broken online sign-up system, 99% can’t be processed and will fail.
99% can’t be processed
According to insurance industry insiders who spoke to CNBC (http://www.cnbc.com/id/101087965), 99 out of 100 applications don’t contain enough information to result in enrollment.
“…federal officials could face a situation in January in which relatively large numbers of people believe they have coverage starting that month, but whose enrollment applications are have not been processed,” reports CNBC.
“We’re getting incomplete data,” says one source from the insurance industry who goes on to describe the data as “corrupted.”
That’s fitting, of course, as the entire Obama administration is also corrupted. And incompetent. The Obamacare (http://www.naturalnews.com/Obamacare.html) socialism dream turns out to be one big job-destroying frag fest that deceived Americans on every level. Although called the Affordable Care Act, it isn’t “affordable,” the system doesn’t CARE about you, and even when you want it, it’s almost impossible to get the online applications to ACT properly.
Healthcare.gov tricks people into thinking they’re enrolled
The problem is that the Healthcare.gov website doesn’t ask users for sufficient information needed to process their enrollment. The website, in other words, is a joke. It’s a public relations facade. Even when people think they’ve signed up, the system doesn’t have enough information about them to actually complete the enrollment.
So between now and January, even those people who somehow make it through the broken Healthcare.gov (http://www.naturalnews.com/Healthcaregov.html) website and think they have enrolled will find themselves without any health insurance when January rolls around. Somehow, federal workers are going to have to contact these individuals one at a time and ask them for additional information to process their enrollment.
That process, of course, is fraught with nightmarish scenarios of failure and incompetence. Why? For starters, because the masses of government workers needed to carry out such a follow-up program have never been hired! And that’s because no one anticipated the Obamacare online exchanges would be such a nightmare of technical incompetence in the first place.
Secondly, even if you could hire all these people in the next few weeks, the simple fact of the matter is that support-level people who work for the federal government tend to be people who are really just there for the paycheck and who don’t actually give a crap about whether they are effective in their jobs. This is going to be worse than DMV workers. It’s going to be an office full of extremely unhealthy, over-paid, under-educated, “I-don’t-give-a-s#@t!” workers whose only real mission is to log enough hours to collect a paycheck, not to actually solve problems with Obamacare enrollment. Think TSA workers sitting behind computers all day long…
Obamacare is the ultimate vaporware
More and more people are now realizing that Obamacare is D.O.A. (Dead On Arrival). Most Americans don’t want it and most employers absolutely despise it. Even the few Americans who are interested in the program can’t seem to sign up because the websites are broken (and will remain broken for months). Of those who somehow do manage to complete the enrollment process, 99% will NOT actually be enrolled due to a lack of required information.
This is headed for an absolute P.R. disaster for the Obama (http://www.naturalnews.com/Obama.html) administration, which has so far been running on nothing but lies and vapor. Obamacare is, in fact, the ultimate “vaporware” because it makes promises the software simply can’t deliver.
No wonder the Republicans are trying to delay it or defund it. The public cry for precisely such action is only going to gain strength from here forward, especially as January rolls around and potentially millions of people who think they have health (http://www.naturalnews.com/health.html) insurance suddenly find out they have none whatsoever (even though they signed up and were told they had enrolled).
This is going to create a nightmare scenario with doctors and hospitals, where Obamacare enrollees show up demanding health care services but they don’t actually have insurance. This mess is going to be dumped right in the laps of medical clinics and hospitals, both of which are already suffocating under a tar pit of health insurance paperwork. Add to that a failed, incompetent system of non-coverage courtesy of the Affordable Care Act, and you get a system infested with so many critical failures that it just can’t function.
That’s where Obamacare is headed: An epic fail (http://www.naturalnews.com/epic_fail.html) at every level. Obamacare will long be remembered as the perfect example of what can go wrong when irrational Big Government worshippers shove complex socialist programs down everyone’s throats. It also shows the danger of taking an industry which should be based on a free market and instead trying to force it into a Soviet-style centralized command system run by a corrupt, incompetent government dominated by tyrants and fools.
Defund Obamacare now!
www.DontFundObamacare.com (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
www.RepealHealthCareAct.org (http://www.repealhealthcareact.org/)

http://www.infowars.com/epic-fail-99-of-obamacare-applications-cant-be-processed-nightmare-scenario-coming-in-january/

woodman
7th October 2013, 05:55 PM
Zero care can suck my dick! I will not participate.

Twisted Titan
7th October 2013, 06:12 PM
Im The Gingerbread Man...

Catch me if you can suckas!

osoab
7th October 2013, 06:33 PM
Zero care can suck my dick! I will not participate.

Uh, Barry would probably entertain that thought.

Shami-Amourae
7th October 2013, 10:14 PM
When you guys say you won't participate, do you mean you'll pay the penalty, or literally do nothing?

BrewTech
7th October 2013, 10:32 PM
Soon people will be forced to make the choice between Obamacare and food.

My food choices ARE my health insurance. Fuck them if they think they are going to take that away from me. A health insurance premium under this bullshit would do exactly that: take away my ability to buy food.

Serpo
7th October 2013, 10:37 PM
My food choices ARE my health insurance. Fuck them if they think they are going to take that away from me. A health insurance premium under this bullshit would do exactly that: take away my ability to buy food.

Great insight and reply.

You have a point there Brewtech , the right kind of food can be the best medicine .

Serpo
7th October 2013, 10:44 PM
When you guys say you won't participate, do you mean you'll pay the penalty, or literally do nothing?

As you know the medical system has a lot to be desired yet they want to force people into this system that if the facts be known maybe is harmful to your overall health except in first aid situations.

Even broken bones you would think would be fairly straight forward, however this isnt necessarily so. A few years ago as I was coming home from work and a guy hobbles into a shop with plaster on his leg and we find out that he has been back many times but the bone wouldnt set.
So I ask him if he has heard of comfrey the herb and how its also called bone knit.

Some weeks later the shop keeper tells me that this guy tried my advice and it worked. This is an example of how idiotic the whole thing is and to pay or get fined for something like this is BS.

Twisted Titan
8th October 2013, 03:21 AM
So I ask him if he has heard of comfrey the herb and how its also called bone knit.


Can you expand on this?

I never heard about this.

Serpo
8th October 2013, 03:40 AM
So I ask him if he has heard of comfrey the herb and how its also called bone knit.


Can you expand on this?

I never heard about this.

Can make a poultice of comfrey for broken bones or even take it.

Wrap it up if possible around the wound first,but if already in plaster maybe it is taken orally.

This guy went back to the hospital numerous times and the bone wouldnt set .

The simple answer here was comfrey ,too me this is beyond exasperating ,it is down right EVIL.

This is the point ,you havnt heard about it when it could be taught to 8 year olds but its suppressed.

Alternative medicine is suppressed totally and it sends me up the wall.

Alternative medicine is a lot bigger than allopathic medicine and the truth is that allopathic medicine is but a segment of alternative medicine or should I say true medicine.

Shami-Amourae
8th October 2013, 03:53 AM
So I ask him if he has heard of comfrey the herb and how its also called bone knit.


Can you expand on this?

I never heard about this.

http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/fractures.html

Libertytree
8th October 2013, 09:57 AM
"I will not comply!" is a statement that is fast becoming a frequent outcry. Not just in the alt media, discussion forums around the internet but in the MSM as well. It'll be interesting to watch it all play out.

SilverTop
10th October 2013, 08:45 PM
"I will not comply!" is a statement that is fast becoming a frequent outcry. Not just in the alt media, discussion forums around the internet but in the MSM as well. It'll be interesting to watch it all play out.

Agreed. This is probably what they intended in the first place just to bring on a "single payer" plan like Medicare, and just steal the $$ every payday.

PatColo
12th October 2013, 04:45 PM
OBAMACARE - More Than a Glitch (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2013/10/obamacare-more-than-glitch.html)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSX49qfPFo4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSX49qfPFo4

*Warning: Enrolling in Obamacare allows government to link your IP address with your name, social security number, bank accounts and web surfing habits (http://www.naturalnews.com/042427_Obamacare_private_details_Trojan_Horse.html #)

*12 Facts About The Epic Obamacare Launch Train Wreck That Every American Should Know

(http://investmentwatchblog.com/12-facts-about-the-epic-obamacare-launch-train-wreck-that-every-american-should-know/)

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Libertytree
12th October 2013, 04:55 PM
*Warning: Enrolling in Obamacare allows government to link your IP address with your name, social security number, bank accounts and web surfing habits (http://www.naturalnews.com/042427_Obamacare_private_details_Trojan_Horse.html #)

Once you go there there is no going back, they have you. I've said it before, in another fashion, but it's like stepping into a Copperhead nest, you're fucked!

Cebu_4_2
12th October 2013, 05:05 PM
From comments:



Fred
Nobody needs to pay this so called fine. The IRS has very limited mechanisms for collecting it.
They can’t charge you criminally and they can’t garnish wages or seize bank accounts. They can
only garnish refunds and put a silent lien on your house. Meaning they can’t seize the house,
only deduct the “fine” when you sell it. Both of these things are easy to protect yourself from.
On the lien just transfer title of your house to a blind trust. You don’t own it as far as the title
is concerned so the IRS can’t lien it for your tax liability. On the refund issue just stop all
with holding and pay quarterly so you never have a refund to garnish. Take these simple steps
and you can ignore the fine.



Me
Only fools will “sign up”. Giving away ALL of your personal, medical, financial information is NOT in your best interest.
Fuck the government. Fuck their “fines”. Fuck them ALL.



DerekJR321
93 MILLION DOLLARS to make a few web sites and databases??? I’ve been a programmer for over 18 years and I can’t possibly come up with a way to charge anyone that amount of money for a non-working system. They should have hired me.. I could have made it, and had it working properly for a cool million!




h5mind
Worse than the $93 million they so obviously wasted on a third-rate website, is the estimated $1.1 trillion bucks this “cost saving” initiative is going to cost. Sadly, it’s unlikely to improve the health of the average American. This is because it relies on the same flawed medical system which now ranks as the third leasing cause of death in this country (i.e., preventable medical errors), right after heart disease and cancer. So we’re left with the conclusion that Washington is populated with the dumbest people on the planet (with plenty of supporting evidence) or that the ACA was never really about healthcare in the first place.




cimmo
What is wrong with the USA? Socialized healthcare is successful all around the world.
But when the USA attempts it, it instantly becomes a fustercluck?
Because what you’ve been sold is NOT socialized healthcare: Obamacare is enforced privatised healthcare. The only stakeholders who benefit from this scheme are the medical industrial complex and the insurance companies.
People are just potential profits.

gunDriller
12th October 2013, 05:29 PM
*Warning: Enrolling in Obamacare allows government to link your IP address with your name, social security number, bank accounts and web surfing habits (http://www.naturalnews.com/042427_Obamacare_private_details_Trojan_Horse.html #)

Once you go there there is no going back, they have you. I've said it before, in another fashion, but it's like stepping into a Copperhead nest, you're fucked!


it certainly is related to the US gov's control-freak-ism.

in the last few years, the US gov. has also paid doctors to put their medical records online.

PatColo
12th October 2013, 06:22 PM
*Warning: Enrolling in Obamacare allows government to link your IP address with your name, social security number, bank accounts and web surfing habits (http://www.naturalnews.com/042427_Obamacare_private_details_Trojan_Horse.html #)

Once you go there there is no going back, they have you. I've said it before, in another fashion, but it's like stepping into a Copperhead nest, you're fucked!

It's like Katherine Albrecht has been warning for years (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?59965-SPYCHIPS-(RFID)-the-free-E-book&p=643225&viewfull=1#post643225) about supermarket "club cards", and more recently, joogle searches. All of it's datamining & building a dossier on your health, nutrition, job/ambitions, everything!

Katherine Albrecht - Google Gulag Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU2UrPRniwM)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU2UrPRniwM


Ordering Pizza in the Future (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJl9EEcsoE)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJl9EEcsoE

Cebu_4_2
12th October 2013, 08:36 PM
WoW! My wife just told me that at her job, which is less than 30 hours so they don't have to provide healthcare, since Zerocare is mandatory.... They are required to record your 'mandatory' health care insurance number. If you do not provide this number they can no longer employ you!

I have not read anything like this yet but at her work they are taking it quite seriously. They just told her this today.

PatColo
12th October 2013, 09:47 PM
Obamacare sign-up crash: what’s really behind it?

http://ferrellgummit.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/obama_care.jpg (http://ferrellgummit.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/obama_care.jpg)

It’s easy to say the government always screws things up and, therefore, the crash of its Obamacare sign-up system is merely another example of gross incompetence. But this is shortsighted. White House officials knew, months ago, the online site was an unmitigated disaster, and yet they let the train continue speeding down the track to its inevitable crackup. To understand this, we need to go back to the opening salvo in the Obamacare drama. To his advisors’ shock and surprise, Obama, taking office in 2009, announced that his first big move was going to be national health insurance. His people assumed jobs would be the top priority. The nation was clamoring for a solution. People were out of work. Banks were foreclosing on homes. Families were in peril. How could the President misread the national mood so badly? National health insurance? Now? Where the hell did that come from?

***Read article at Activist Post*** (http://www.activistpost.com/2013/10/obamacare-sign-up-crash-whats-really.html)

PatColo
15th October 2013, 02:13 AM
1st hour:

Jeff Rense Radio Show - 2013.10.14 (http://grizzom.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/jeff-rense-radio-show-20131014.html)

http://www.rense.com/1.mpicons/thinlogo2color.gif (http://www.rense.com/)

Listen (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/ychx4fv4wa/rense.20131014.1of3.mp3) Download (http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/ychx4fv4wa/rense.20131014.1of3.mp3) Hour 1 - Lindsey Williams (http://www.lindseywilliams.net/) - Obamacare Nightmare

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