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EE_
7th October 2013, 11:09 AM
Gold price 'is bound to go through the roof'
By Brendan Ryan
Business Day, Johannesburg
Monday, October 7, 2013

http://www.bdlive.co.za/markets/2013/10/07/gold-price-is-bound-to-go-thr...

Gold bulls have had it rough this year but many would have found solace in the Precious Metals Round Table web-based conference call and presentation held recently by Sprott Asset Management.

About 6,300 participants logged on to listen to speakers like investment "guru" Marc Faber -- publisher of the Gloom, Boom and Doom Report -- and Toronto-based Sprott chief investment strategist John Embry, a regular keynote speaker at gold conferences.

The bottom line? Hang on to your physical gold and gold shares because the point is fast approaching when the gold price is going to explode.

That prediction is, of course, completely at odds with what has actually happened in the gold market this year, where the price has plunged from about $1,700 per ounce to $1,200 per ounce, before recovering marginally to just above $1,300.

Predictions from institutions such as Natixis are far more restrained. The recently published Natixis Metals Review predicts gold dropping back to lows around $1,170 over the coming six months to a year and averaging $1,200 for next year.

By contrast, Mr Faber says the U.S. Federal Reserve is well on the way to creating a situation where the ---- will hit the fan."

Mr Embry says: "We are in the early stages of a classic monetary debasement. We are seeing more and more instances of where the physical gold does not seem to be available. The paper gold market will be seen for what it is, which is one of the greatest Ponzi schemes in history.

"The paper market has been controlled aggressively by the central banks, the BIS (Bank for International Settlements) and the bullion banks. Investors have been presented with an unbelievable opportunity," he says. "Demand for gold will explode at a time when the supply is not available and the price will reflect this dramatically."

The conviction held by all the speakers is that the gold price has been forced down through blatant manipulation of the gold investment paper market and that much of the gold that is supposedly held by various institutions such as the Fed is no longer available.

That is because the metal has been leased out to bullion banks, which have, in turn, sold it to investors and that bullion is not readily recoverable.

The allegation is that various banks are acting in concert to drive down the gold price so they can buy bullion back without sending the price through the roof.

Such suggestions of manipulation are dismissed out of hand in many investment circles as gold "conspiracy theories."

But one development has really focused attention on the issue and that was when Germany's Bundesbank early this year announced it had requested the return of 300 tons of gold from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. However, this would take seven years to complete.

That situation was forensically dissected by Grant Williams, analyst for Mauldin Economics, in his "Things That Make You Go Hmmmm" newsletter.

He says that three Boeing 747-400 aircraft in standard cargo freighter configuration could deliver the gold immediately from New York to Frankfurt -- assuming, of course, that the gold is actually available at the New York branch of the Fed.

On April 1 came news of the letter from Dutch state-owned bank ABN Amro to customers effectively stating that any holders of physical gold who had left the metal in custody with the bank would, in future, not be able to request physical delivery of their gold and would instead be compensated in cash. Mr Williams says: "There is a word for that where I come from: confiscation."

Sprott CEO Eric Sprott says: "Our analysis of the physical gold market shows that the central banks have most likely been a massive, unreported supplier of physical gold and that strongly implies that their gold reserves are negligible today."

His conclusion is that "a large portion of the Western central banks' stated 23,000 tons of gold reserves are merely a paper entry on their balance sheets -- completely unbacked by anything tangible other than an IOU from whatever counterparty leased it from them in years past."

Mr Sprott says: "We also realise that some readers may scoff at any analysis of the gold market that hints at 'conspiracy.' We’re not talking about conspiracy here, however. We're talking about stupidity.

"After all, Western central banks are probably under the impression that the gold they've swapped and/or lent out is still legally theirs, which technically it may be.

"But if what we are proposing turns out to be true, and those reserves are not physically theirs -- not physically in their possession -- then all bets are off regarding the future of our monetary system."
http://www.gata.org/node/13097

Serpo
7th October 2013, 11:21 AM
Gold goes thru the roof while debt goes thru the ceiling..................

Hatha Sunahara
7th October 2013, 11:29 AM
Just another confirmation of the wisdom of Ponce: If you don't hold it, you don't own it.

If Jim Willie is right, the Too Big to Fail Banks will fail fairly soon. When JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs go down the toilet, the POG will explode. The time is near. I expect it no later than spring of 2015. Another 18 months max. Sooner hopefully if current trends accelerate.


Hatha

Serpo
7th October 2013, 12:37 PM
How the gold price could double overnight in a major US dollar devaluation crisis



-- Posted Monday, 7 October 2013 | |


With the US Government shutdown last week weakening the US dollar across the board in global currency markets it is only too easy to read the relatively lacklustre performance of gold wrongly. For in a major US dollar devaluation crisis, like the one that would follow a failure to raise the debt ceiling on October 17th, gold would be king.
It’s a scenario played out perfectly in the penultimate chapter of hedge fund manager Jim Rickards book, ‘Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crisis’. He envisages a series of ‘black swan’ events that trigger a loss of confidence in the US dollar precipitating a rush to get out of the greenback.
Armageddon scenario
The last issue of our sister ArabianMoney investment newsletter has the full story (subscribe here (http://www.arabianmoney.net/home/paid_subscription/)). It ends with a ‘tsunami’ of dollar selling by traders in a mass panic and a switch to safe haven assets. Then the Fed responds with massive bond buying to force back the wave of selling.
However, the crucial difference between this crash and others is that the market then questions the Fed’s staying power and the dollar collapse continues. It is at this point that gold doubles in price overnight.
The US President is then left with no alternative but to take charge under the 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act. He nationalizes all gold held on US soil and suspends bond trading to halt the dollar’s fall. A bipartisan commission is appointed with 30 days to sort out what to do next.
Basically the US dollar has to be reissued and reset to a new value based on a much higher price of gold. If this all sounds far-fetched then it is. But so was the subprime mortgage crisis before it actually struck and yet it happened.
This correspondent can recall how HSBC chairman Sir John Bond saw the US economy as ‘fundamentally sound’ when I interviewed him just two years before this iceberg hit the Titanic (click here (http://www.ameinfo.com/57183.html)).
Going down?
The unsinkable can sink, and so could the US dollar, just as HSBC was the biggest loser in the subprime crisis (although the bank did not sink because its compartments held and it managed to right itself without a government bailout).
Other currencies in over-indebted economies have suffered this fate in the past. However, as Jim Rickards points out in his book the US still has a final card to play in the global currency wars as it has 57 per cent of the world’s gold reserves within its boundaries and so would command any new global monetary system as it did the old. To that extent it would not be different this time around.
But the gold price would be reset permanently higher, and $7,500-10,000 an ounce in old dollars is Mr. Rickards best estimate.
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1381151592.php

gunDriller
7th October 2013, 02:36 PM
i think the Cartel will do what is necessary to keep Silver below $30 and Gold below $1500, especially in 2014.

this year, market forces, year end profit taking, and Cartel raids on thinly traded volume between Christmas and New Year should do the trick (from the Cartel's point of view).

but 2014 is a whole new year. i would be surprised if the US has 1/2 their official gold, 4000 tons instead of 8000.


England is supposed to have 5200 tons, they contributed 1300 tons to the April-July raids - of Gold.

osoab
7th October 2013, 03:07 PM
It should also be noted that this forecast is given to you by the same people that want to sell you Au and Ag products.

Jewboo
7th October 2013, 03:20 PM
It should also be noted that this forecast is given to you by the same people that want to sell you Au and Ag products.



Took me awhile to realize that Food Prep dealers were also posting most of the doomer stories we see.

:)

gunDriller
7th October 2013, 03:32 PM
Took me awhile to realize that Food Prep dealers were also posting most of the doomer stories we see.

:)

exactly. like LATOC. "Life after the Oil Crash".


practices like fracking and incidents like the BP Oil Spill indicate that the 'low hanging fruit' has been picked (except for ANWR, i think the Jews are using environmental BS to keep that for themselves and the US military), oil-wise.


but i remember Matt Savinar ... "it's gonna crash ! buy my food preps!"

actually, there were a lot of preppers in his forums, maybe some ex-LATOC'ers here.

personally i was never a LATOC'er, too many damn ads.

osoab
7th October 2013, 03:50 PM
Can you imagine 6,300 gold bugs all in the same place at the same time.

If gold went up 20 during a speech, the cleaning crew would have to work overtime. :o

Serpo
8th October 2013, 02:57 AM
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/10/8_60-Year_Market_Veteran_Says_US_Is_Bankrupt_%26_Will_C ollapse.html

Shami-Amourae
8th October 2013, 03:12 AM
Took me awhile to realize that Food Prep dealers were also posting most of the doomer stories we see.

:)

Oy vey! Buy these DOOMSDAY™ Silver Barter Bags! Stroll down the street with your very own trendy bag of Silver in the post-apocalypse wasteland!
http://imageupload.co.uk/files/bp382o7xqeev6klw0oej.png

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgzbZ7qnAPg

EE_
8th October 2013, 03:21 AM
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/10/8_60-Year_Market_Veteran_Says_US_Is_Bankrupt_%26_Will_C ollapse.html

That's my time frame too.


We are in for one hell of a move in gold and silver over the next six to eight months.

Hatha Sunahara
8th October 2013, 09:00 AM
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/10/8_60-Year_Market_Veteran_Says_US_Is_Bankrupt_%26_Will_C ollapse.html


One thing screams out to me at this link: Bankruptcy doesn't mean sh*t in a country where there are institutions that are Too Big To Fail. The banks are too big to fail. The government is too big to fail. And the Fed has no limit on how much money it can print. So, those who expect a stock market crash need to take into account the fact that the Fed will continue to print money and call it Quantitative Easing, and use all that freshly created money to prop up the stock market, and to buy all the gold anyone is willing to sell at the artificially deflated price of gold.

A better measure for predicting a stock market crash and a gold price explosion would be to develop an index for 'Investor Tolerance for Corruption.' I think that measure now is at an all time high. It used to be that if someone didn't pay what they owed according to their contract, they were in default--bankruptcy. Today there are so many ways to avoid it (but still be in default) that bankruptcy means nothing. Evil people have free rein to steal from everyone with the protection of the law. Bankruptcy is the point at which this condition ends.


Hatha