Are humans really beings of light?

[Serpo]

Too hard to post fully so here is the link..................

http://www.viewzone.com/dnax.html (http://www.viewzone.com/dnax.html)
http://www.viewzone2.com/DNA.top.gif

[Glass]

interesting. Someone posted about hair. Not sure if that is one of yours or not. It kind of made sense that hair is like an optical fibre either feeding light into your skull or perhaps transmitting it out. Leading to the 3rd eye or some such. Either way, an idea of interest. I thought back to the story of Samson. The story goes he was blinded and Delilah cut his hair without him knowing and he lost his strength. I got to wondering, what is the story was a bit mixed up. Perhaps first Delilah cut his hair and that was what caused his blindness - the 3rd eye blindness that we all seem to suffer from.

Interesting ideas and I believe the answer is yes we are.

[Horn]

Interesting ideas and I believe the answer is yes we are.

And so are cucumbers and potatoes.

[osoab]

And so are cucumbers and potatoes.

What about dung?

[osoab]

In 1976, they were ready for their first test with cucumber seedlings. The photomultiplier showed that photons, or light waves, of a surprisingly high intensity were being emitted from the seedlings. In case the light had to do with an effect of photosynthesis, they decided that their next test -- with potatoes -- would be to grow the seedling plants in the dark. This time, when the seedlings were placed in the photomultiplier, they registered an even higher intensity of light. What's more, the photons in the living systems they'd examined were more coherent than anything they'd ever seen.

Popp began thinking about light in nature. Light was present in plants and was used during photosynthesis. When we eat plant foods, he thought, it must be that we take up the photons and store them.

When we consume broccoli, for example, and digest it, it is metabolised into carbon dioxide (CO2) and water, plus the light stored from the sun and photosynthesis. We extract the CO2 and eliminate the water, but the light, an EM wave, must be stored. When taken in by the body, the energy of these photons dissipates and becomes distributed over the entire spectrum of EM frequencies, from the lowest to the highest.

This energy is the driving force for all the molecules in our body. Before any chemical reaction can occur, at least one electron must be activated by a photon with a certain wavelength and enough energy.

The biochemist and Nobel Prize winner Lehninger mentions in his textbook that some reactions in the living cell happen quite a lot faster than what corresponds to 37C temperature. The explanation seems to be that the body purposely directs chemical reactions by means of electromagnetic vibrations (biophotons).


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[Horn]

What about dung?

Corn,nuts and or raisins should greatly extend its shelf life.

Not so sure about butter though, that maybe an ultra-violet inhibitor?

[Neuro]

And so are cucumbers and potatoes.
Probably even more so! I am a firm believer in photosynthesis. It has worked well for me!

[Serpo]

so food is condensed light in a package

the article needs to be read a couple of times

[aeondaze]

so food is condensed light in a package

the article needs to be read a couple of times

OK then, so what is light? o)(~

[aeondaze]

OK then, so what is light? o)(~

No takers?

Saying food is condensed light is as asinine as saying the power that powers your home appliances is condensed coal. 'Energy' by its nature is tranformative. Potential energy can turn into kinetic energy given the right circumstance just as the energy obtained from burning coal is tranformed into steam which in turn is used to generate electrical energy just like the energy a photon carries is tranformed into carbon building blocks via photosynthesis.

A photon of light by its very nature is taylor made to interact with matter, it carries no mass and its energy is directly proportional to the wavelength of the light, E=hv (where h is Planks constant and v is the wavelength) thus, the larger the wavelength the larger the photons energy.

The study of chemistry has basically becomes the study of how light (or energy if you will) interacts with matter. Litlle modern analysis could be performed without understanding this. IR, FTIR, NMR analysis would be inpossible without this understanding.

You guys think science has stood still for 200 years or that we are only now re-discovering the knowledge of the ancients but this utterly false with no basis whatsoever. The truth is the 20th century was the greatest period of discovery mankind has undetaken.

BTW, Russian 'science' news stories are about as believable as NEXUS magazine's stories.

Humans aren't light. With all due respect, thats about the most absurd notion you have come up with, and there have been some doozies...:rolleyes:

[aeondaze]

If you guys want the secret to the universe, in particular matter, study this. This is the most remarkable piece of data humans have 'discovered' period, or should is say periodic...:D

Herein lies the 'key' to the universe as we humans understand it. It is so special that one who is adept only needs to LOOK at it to understand why some elements react with others.

Read it, understand it and marvel...:o

http://www.chemicool.com/images/periodic-table.png

[Serpo]

If you guys want the secret to the universe, in particular matter, study this. This is the most remarkable piece of data humans have 'discovered' period, or should is say periodic...:D

Herein lies the 'key' to the universe as we humans understand it. It is so special that one who is adept only needs to LOOK at it to understand why some elements react with others.

Read it, understand it and marvel...:o

http://www.chemicool.com/images/periodic-table.png

This is a revelation...................


Its just when a tree which has leaves ,which soak up the sun and then produces fruit is what I mean by condensed light.

No light no fruit ,no tree no nothing.

[Serpo]

http://www.jsmineset.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/clip_image001_thumb3.jpg (http://www.jsmineset.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/clip_image0016.jpg)

[aeondaze]

This is a revelation...................

I'm glad that you've seen the light, FYI its actually more of a discovery than a revelation but if thats where you're at then good for you.

:)*#*

[aeondaze]

Its just when a tree which has leaves ,which soak up the sun and then produces fruit is what I mean by condensed light.

No light no fruit ,no tree no nothing.

Sure, a photon is a pretty important part of the evolutionary development of plant life, but it wasn't PRIMARY in plants, they EVOLVED that ability...


Plants have been using light in this primal way for a large chunk of Earth’s existence. But just how did they gain the ability to photosynthesize?

The short answer is they stole it, about a billion and a half years ago, when single-celled organisms called protists engulfed photosynthesizing bacteria. Over time, through the transfer of genes aided by a parasite, the absorbed bacteria became a functional part of the protist, enabling it to transform sunlight into nourishment.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves here and aportion some kind of supernatural power to light when it is a rather long term and well understood phenomena.

[Horn]

There could be energy patterns that are mimicked, copied, or otherwise modified to accommodate the future.

Butter would still most likely inhibit that process, not sure?

The energy's effect on one's light receptors would have to be investigated.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK63eUyk-iM

[Santa]

He claims organisms use this "light" to "talk" to other organisms and suggested that this could explain telepathy and ESP. It was like human beings already had their own wireless internet based on our DNA.

I suspect this is true.

[singular_me]

Walter Russel explains in his book the "Secret Of Light", that ALL matter is Light compressed at different levels and that as long as we do not understand Light, we'll remain unable to address our psychological and materialistic dilemmas... I read it 3 years ago and regard it as a "bible".

free ebook
http://archive.org/details/WalterRussellTheSecretOfLight


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOO6kR69PXM

[Neuro]

Walter Russel explains in his book the "Secret Of Light", that ALL matter is Light compressed at different levels and that as long as we do not understand Light, we'll remain unable to address our psychological and materialistic dilemmas... I read it 3 years ago and regard it as a "bible".

free ebook
http://archive.org/details/WalterRussellTheSecretOfLight


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOO6kR69PXM
It may be that matter is light compressed, but really you can't tell your children to go out in the sunshine instead of giving them food and paying the electricity bill. We can't transform light into matter.

[singular_me]

we cannot do it because our level of consciousness isnt that of God's... but we can feed off sun rays. Sun gazing consists in sending photons straight into your brain. Sun rays are beneficial 1 hour after sunrise and 1 hour before complete sunset. It is really good for mental and eating disorders. I did it an entire summer 2 years ago, and as always it is all about discipline... but I felt more joyful overall after 3 months. I even read that some who did it for many years can fast for days easily as it regulates appetite.
if interested, start with these videos... there are plenty on youtube


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv1VPQr7GZ4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhRsTU1Kwa8


It may be that matter is light compressed, but really you can't tell your children to go out in the sunshine instead of giving them food and paying the electricity bill. We can't transform light into matter.

[Horn]

we cannot do it because our level of consciousness isnt that of God's...

Next time you cut your finger, take a snap shot with the flash drive in your head of the opposite hand's equal finger, then apply it to your injury per the energy signature, and with your nervous system.

You should be all fixed up in the morning. :)

[Neuro]

Next time you cut your finger, take a snap shot with the flash drive in your head of the opposite hand's equal finger, then apply it to your injury per the energy signature, and with your nervous system.

You should be all fixed up in the morning. :)
The amazing thing is that it almost happens like that, but it takes a bit longer...

[Horn]

I thought back to the story of Samson. The story goes he was blinded and Delilah cut his hair without him knowing and he lost his strength. I got to wondering, what is the story was a bit mixed up. Perhaps first Delilah cut his hair and that was what caused his blindness - the 3rd eye blindness that we all seem to suffer from..

Was thinking about hair as fiber optics like you stated.

Now if the hair grows too long and receives a split end, would that also lead to a limited light influx situation?

may be why most Buddhist monks seem to shave it down... .)

[Horn]

The amazing thing is that it almost happens like that, but it takes a bit longer...

Could we speed it up, if conscious of its doings?

Conscious boosting...or even invent appliances which might boost the process?

[sirgonzo420]

It may be that matter is light compressed, but really you can't tell your children to go out in the sunshine instead of giving them food and paying the electricity bill. We can't transform light into matter.

Perhaps one should be more concerned with turning matter into light.

Metaphysically if not physically.

[singular_me]

the largest concentration of Light in humans is in the brain and possibly the heart...

I don't think it is possible to turn Matter into Light as both are 2 sides of the same coin, they evolve in parallel while validating each other dualities, as a matter of fact, they are complementary... what glues those two sides together is the Aether or the Field.

But we surely can use Light Principles, its frequency and wavelengths, to better existence, tehcnology and evolve spiritually. What is man's purpose but applying the Fractal Universe at his own level?

[singular_me]

LOL yeah... but I meant that each level of creation participates in the creation of its own Reality.



Next time you cut your finger, take a snap shot with the flash drive in your head of the opposite hand's equal finger, then apply it to your injury per the energy signature, and with your nervous system.

You should be all fixed up in the morning. :)

[vacuum]

I had never considered that the electromagnetic interaction that living things may have would literally just be normal light but at a micro-level at very low amplitudes. But this does make sense. We wouldn't be able to detect such micro interactions, measured in photons/second/square centimeter with any physical senses or known equipment. It's like the idea that heat is just moving molecules, yet you can't simply take a hammer and hit something to heat it up (typically).

The other thing is that light is so weird and we don't really know what it is.

[gunDriller]

kind of esoteric for me.

but i'd be willing to contribute some fingernail clippings or maybe some callous scrapings to the experiment.

i'm just trying to be community-minded ! :)

[vacuum]

interesting. Someone posted about hair. Not sure if that is one of yours or not. It kind of made sense that hair is like an optical fibre either feeding light into your skull or perhaps transmitting it out. Leading to the 3rd eye or some such. Either way, an idea of interest. I thought back to the story of Samson. The story goes he was blinded and Delilah cut his hair without him knowing and he lost his strength. I got to wondering, what is the story was a bit mixed up. Perhaps first Delilah cut his hair and that was what caused his blindness - the 3rd eye blindness that we all seem to suffer from.

Interesting ideas and I believe the answer is yes we are.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?60776-The-Truth-About-Hair-Covered-Up-Since-The-Vietnam-War

[Horn]

The other thing is that light is so weird and we don't really know what it is.

byproduct of energy

http://designcrave.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/field03.jpg

http://designcrave.com/2009-04-13/illuminated-energy-field-by-richard-box/

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvCHOBxN-wU

[StreetsOfGold]

1 John 1:5 ..that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

[expat4ever]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMLFLhw3UGs&list=PLyGWTmKUf1NhHDLJJow-R89X6HtJlEQW7&index=1

70 years with no food or water? He has to be living on sunshine. Not sure what he does if it rains. Maybe fast?

[Glass]

70 years with no food or water? He has to be living on sunshine. Not sure what he does if it rains. Maybe fast?

Maybe the barbie girl should go see him for some pointers. If it rains, maybe he absorbs? I wonder if humidity would have any influence? Very humid in that part of the world. Probably rains daily at 4pm or something like many other places in Asia.

[singular_me]

the secret of light describes natural laws in action -- full book in pdf
http://abundanthope.net/artman2/uploads/1/The_Secret_of_Light.pdf

according to russell, Light doesnt travel but photons reproduce (excerpt from the book)
https://lightspeedzero.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/light-does-not-travel-by-walter-russell/





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvCHOBxN-wU

[Glass]

This Russell guy is describing the reasons for the light wave / light particle conundrum. Interesting.

I see also the better explanation of the holographic universe which is rare to come across. Often times the comprehension of what that means is incorrect because it is poorly explained and people use their own understanding of what a holograph is, most often a projected image of a princess called Leia.

There is much I like on that page - second link. I could quote it all but that would be pointless. The few paragraphs leading up to this one and including this one: nope heck I'll quote those preceding para's.


Confusion Concerning Light Corpuscles
There is much confusion concerning the many kinds of particles of matter such as electrons, protons, photons, neutrons and others. These many particles are supposedly different because of the belief that some are negatively charged, some are positively charged and some are so equally charged that one supposedly neutralizes the other.

There is no such condition in nature as negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions.

Compressing bodies are charging into higher potential conditions. Conversely, expanding bodies are discharging into lower potential conditions. To describe an electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting body.

Contracting and expanding bodies move in opposite directions. Contracting bodies move radially inward toward mass centers, and expanding bodies move radially outward toward space that surrounds masses. In this two-way universe, light which is inwardly directed toward gravity charges mass and discharges space. When directed toward space it charges space and discharges mass. All direction of force in Nature is spiral.

Good stuff.

[Glass]

Light rays, for example, leaving the sun, are discharging the sun. They are also discharging themselves because they are expanding into greater volume. They are also lowering their own potential by multiplying their volume. They reverse their charge when radially converging upon the earth. They are then charging the earth and themselves by contracting into smaller volume and are simultaneously multiplying their own potential by thus contracting.

I think this is interesting as well. I have contended for a while now that we don't know where electricity comes from or how it is made. I believe we can invoke electricity by use of "generators" or "alternators" for instance but we don't make it by that process. We merely invoke it.

I think we are pulling it in from the sun. Our alternators and generators are drawing it here. Does this give rise to the cooling and quietening of the sun? Are we draining Sol of it's power by our ever increasing electrical drain or "consumption?

[Horn]

I think this is interesting as well. I have contended for a while now that we don't know where electricity comes from or how it is made. I believe we can invoke electricity by use of "generators" or "alternators" for instance but we don't make it by that process. We merely invoke it.

I think we are pulling it in from the sun. Our alternators and generators are drawing it here. Does this give rise to the cooling and quietening of the sun? Are we draining Sol of it's power by our ever increasing electrical drain or "consumption?

If Sol hisself is tied into the larger galactic grid, no he's a transformer relay. Maybe why he's also subject to a controlling cycle and not independent.

What's even more interesting to me is plasma's glow mode, and how I stay in the light.

[singular_me]

I am still trying to stretch it... but find those speculations/theories real brain teasers. Found all this on the Walter Russel facebook page

fundamental notion: we cannot see the Light but what Light reflects off of

didnt write this in caps: (from youtube page)
THIS MAN EXPLAINS THIS CONCEPT SOO WELL EVEN BETTER THAN THE LEGENDARY ERIC DOLLARD MATTER ONLY EXISTS FROM LIGHT OR ELECTRONS GOING THRU PROTONS AND ETC AKA THRU THE AETHER.

everything Is Invisible In Space In The Visible, Spectrum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twB9fPgCb6Q


(wild statement, sun is hollow, fusion happens in the flares, sun is a converter. The SUN can NOT be seen from space. The Sun is not a Nuclear furnace raging at millions of degrees. It is Electric and Cold!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvWKBFMw9Bs



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuSn6sc7sc

[Glass]

I watched all of those Dollard videos a while back and found it fascinating BUT I was not 100% on what he was doing when realigning his circuitry which then resulted in massive voltages within his circuits. To me the issue was that the voltage was "unregulated" and as a result dangerous, to components in the circuit, and to people if they became a component in the circuit. The big danger is in the amps, but it takes a very small amperage to shut the heart down.

But you could see that what he was doing was compounding the electrical force in his circuits, in much the same way the other guy describes it like a water wave and it is really a piston pumping up and down. We show it as a sine wave because we believe it, the wave induces forward motion when in fact it doesn't. Ir creates some kind of transference of energy but not through displacement from one location to another as our sine wave pictures suggest.

The concept of not being able to see the sun or the stars in space intrigued me. I was not convinced of the demonstration he gave, sorry his associate gave but it kind of made sense. That it was the atmosphere that enabled us to see the object where the "light" (frequencies) were coming form.

Reading the first couple of pages of that other guys book on light, you can see he hints at the same kind of thing. Does that mean Dollard read his stuff? But that guy says, you can't see light, not that you can't see the sun, he might say both. I need to reread it. But he is right, you cannot see light, only the effects/reflects of light.

You don't see any stars in NASA photos of men in space. The conspiracy is that it would be too hard to include stars when faking the footage, then these guys say it can't be seen anyway because you are out of the atmosphere. But what about the helmets? Do they have a way to show the light source or not in the visor or the atmosphere in side? IS it a specific part of the atmosphere that makes the light sources visible? Are chem trails messing with that?

[singular_me]

his concept of the Universal One is remarkable, this is profound spiritual physics stuff.

chapter XII is about the nature of Light... in which he stipulates that man cannot see darkness either :)






This Russell guy is describing the reasons for the light wave / light particle conundrum. Interesting.

I see also the better explanation of the holographic universe which is rare to come across. Often times the comprehension of what that means is incorrect because it is poorly explained and people use their own understanding of what a holograph is, most often a projected image of a princess called Leia.

There is much I like on that page - second link. I could quote it all but that would be pointless. The few paragraphs leading up to this one and including this one: nope heck I'll quote those preceding para's.



Good stuff.

[singular_me]

I completely understand the light phenomenon on earth and accept that atmosphere allows the reflection of the photons... but saying that one cannot see anything in space is definitely questionable for me right now. What do we make of hubble then?

cant find answers to your 2 questions as I type this.




You don't see any stars in NASA photos of men in space. The conspiracy is that it would be too hard to include stars when faking the footage, then these guys say it can't be seen anyway because you are out of the atmosphere. But what about the helmets? Do they have a way to show the light source or not in the visor or the atmosphere in side? IS it a specific part of the atmosphere that makes the light sources visible? Are chem trails messing with that?

[Glass]

The images we see of Hubble are post capture processed to add colour accents and possibly other things. The images of the galaxies and gas clouds are not coloured when taken but processed in.

Are the colors in Hubble images real?

There are no "natural color" cameras aboard the Hubble and never have been. The optical cameras on board have all been digital CCD cameras, which take images as grayscale pixels.
Sometimes the color is as natural as possible. However, the color given to the images is not just "artistic embellishment." The images are, indeed, downloaded as black and white, and color is added for a number of different reasons – for example, to show the dispersion detail of chemical elements and highlight features so subdued that the human eye cannot see them.
For more information, read The Meaning of Color (http://hubblesite.org/gallery/behind_the_pictures/meaning_of_color/index.shtml) on HubbleSite, which explains in detail how color is added to images.

link (http://hubblesite.org/reference_desk/faq/answer.php.id=93&cat=topten)

Hubble telescope is 559kms up. 343 miles. Is it outside the earths atmospheres influence at that height?

The concave earth guy had a couple images in his presentation that were of the same galaxy, one from an earth telescope and one from hubble. There did not appear to be any difference in resolution quality. It looked the same to me, suggesting that either a) hubble is a bit of a waste of money or b) is not in "space". It might be in orbit but not in space? I might try and find the section in the video and see if I can find the same images he presented.

I keep coming back to what I posted here:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?79802-Our-Universe-May-Have-Emerged-from-a-Black-Hole&p=761648&viewfull=1#post761648

The 2nd vid. Are they looking at something far far away or something very small? It's a bit tongue in cheek but hey.

[Cebu_4_2]

I don't trust any thing government.

[Horn]

I don't trust any thing government.

And here I was grasping for reply words in the dark. lol

I see both generated light, and reflected lights, and yes my eyes do have lenses in them.

Though the mercury point and molten core of the Earth with electo-magnetic field piece, does go another length in disproving mainstream science.

Everyone needs to crank up their midtones.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7375&stc=1

[Shami-Amourae]

I am still trying to stretch it... but find those speculations/theories real brain teasers. Found all this on the Walter Russel facebook page

fundamental notion: we cannot see the Light but what Light reflects off of

Dollard is a wannabe Telsa who is a complete psychopathic narcissist meth head. He's a complete scam artist, like most of the "leaders" in the New Age movement. Many people dumb enough to believe his shit donated tons of money and time to "help" him.



https://www.facebook.com/AetherForce1/posts/665378520171017

For those who still think Eric Dollard can be helped....
Here is a letter I just received from a former patron of his.
" I have been watching the whole Eric Dollard story go down for about 7 years . I watched and hoped he would get his act together. I saw his brilliance and potential. I worked for a billionaire client/friend at the time i met Eric. We wanted to help him develop himself and bring his interests to fruition. I offered him a place to stay and do his laundry, clean up his stuff, some cash to help him a bit, and a job doing anything he wanted to do ($50. per hour, cash) and or help me with my projects, which is , basically develop weather stations, new food growing and energy producing devises for schools, refugee camps, etc.. He chose to do nothing, he was very lazy and blamed everyone for setting him up to fail.
Basically, i got him a blank check, but he had to start by proving himself by showing up to work and being able to articulate what it is he wanted. In the end, he wanted a $5 million dollars studio, or nothing. Even then my client was not deterred, we knew he had communication issues with people. He did get 86’ed from my home by my girlfriend for foul behavior and misogamist diatribes, etc.. He was interacting with Stephan in Marin also at this time. He was lying quite a bit in your interviews during the video. His dog was also an interesting story. He treated Varmint very bad, he never fed the dog, and was trying to leave it with anyone he could.
I like the fact that you have a good heart and tried to reach out to him. Many people have tried to help him. I was hoping he would rise to the occasion and build his lab. All of us who knew him on the coast (Half Moon Bay, Ca. area) where rooting for him. I believe he is in the desert somewhere working on his studio theses days. My friend Justin is with him. They both have a victim complex. They both refuse kindness. The adventure continues!
"
Anything have to do with Eric Dollard now is 100% an ACT and a SCAM FRAUD organized by his pitpull controller Aaron Murakami, the same convicted violent felon who has waged an active war of suppression against genuine researchers like Ed Mitchell and Jerry Volland etc.. Murakami has also waged an active terror campaign against aetherforce, and the members of aether force, going after un involved members paypal and facebook accounts. Only a lawsuit got him to back off. Another one is being filed.
Let's learn our lesson people. Actively boycott anything these two are working on. I may release a video showing Eric Dollard calling Adam bull a moron and a lunatic as well. That they managed to brainwash Adam into helping them is astonishing.... Eric Dollard is a professional charlatan, nuff said."




The whole "free energy" business is a con. No one has ever produced any energy for free. There aren't government coverups, it's just a stupid idea with gullible suckers falling prey to its false promises.

((WATCH THIS))
What a wonderful "scientist":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCS5mGDa87A
He's right about the Jews, Niggers and Spics though.
:p
((WATCH THIS))

(*WARNING* The following vid contains Explicit/Racist language by Dollard which Aether Force in no way supports or condones.) AetherForce raised $136,000.00 for Eric Dollard. One of us sold his home to get him a new lab. Only to see the whole thing sabotaged by Dollard's methamphetamine addiction and a parasitic suppression agent. DO NOT throw away your money supporting their ongoing scam and threat to Humanity. "The finest trick of the devil is to persuade you that he does not exist"- Charles Baudelaire


Full documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE7M7tB4_qY

[Glass]

but are you seeing the light or the effect of the light? The eyes receiving the frequency and translating it into a brain sensation. I think I posted an excerpt on this of someones theory.

yes post #37 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?73270-Are-humans-really-beings-of-light&p=761650&viewfull=1#post761650)

You can't actually see the light itself. Only the things that it bounces off, which is an effect. Or the thing that is emitting it, a star, the face of a torch etc.

As for Dollard he does seem pretty out there. Figuring he's been unable to shrug off what happened when the lab got shut down back in the day. Some scientist people are pretty hard to talk with. Trying to get a project off the ground and the scientists keep kind of self sabotaging. I think it's a trait arising from being poorly treated, either imagined or real. Some people can't break out of it.

I don't know any of those people, either him or the people who criticize and I don't know the situations or events. That's all I can say. I also think that the energy is everywhere and at this stage untapped except by creation.

[Horn]

I think exactly 3/4s of the words coming from Dollard are truth, the other 1/4 tainted with regrets and conjecture.

Those 3/4s are pretty well informed though.

[Horn]

The whole "free energy" business is a con. No one has ever produced any energy for free.

Solar panel and wind energy is free after an initial purchase, I'm also certain there are plenty of other unmetered and greater energy sources available out there.

Un-metered Energy Technologies are of course nipped in the bud before they even have chance to get off the ground.

The rest of your post is about as ignorant as the above quoted portion, and reeks of godlessness.

[Horn]

You can't actually see the light itself. Only the things that it bounces off, which is an effect. Or the thing that is emitting it, a star, the face of a torch etc.

I see the plasma sheath corona of the Sun lit up.

I know what u mean, whether or not I see light the actual light is really of little or no consequence, well to me anyway. If we could we would be in the dark and blind.

[Glass]

so watching the first video it's looking like that Aaron guys a real problem. I remember him from when I looked at this ages ago. He runs a web site and does "interviews" where he talks with Eric about concepts and promotes the sale of products at the same time. So he is using Eric to endorse, without actual endorsement. Eric on the other hand is not helping and does seem to have problems. Whether pre existing or arising out of involvement with Aaron. I'd say pre existing and made worse.

There's a few stories like that out there. People who work to set something up only to be white anted by people who they were getting to help them. Domains and web sites being stolen is one of the popular ones. You give someone else the password to the domain account and before you know it they have transferred it to their name or company.

I don't think solar is free energy. It's certainly free from metering but there is an input cost that nullifies the benefit of the output giving a zero gain advantage. Maybe if the equipment is top notch it might pay for itself and you start getting a return. I don't know but taking into account production, cost of, materials, cost of and environmental impacts, pollutions from manufacturing, where does that leave you? In front or behind.

[Horn]

I don't think solar is free energy. It's certainly free from metering but there is an input cost that nullifies the benefit of the output giving a zero gain advantage. Maybe if the equipment is top notch it might pay for itself and you start getting a return. I don't know but taking into account production, cost of, materials, cost of and environmental impacts, pollutions from manufacturing, where does that leave you? In front or behind.

I know of several installations that have paid for themselves in under 3 years and are now "free".

Free in the world of free energy means no meter.

You guys are all out there on Ceres this evening.

[Neuro]

The investment of my solar panel battery led-lights ($150) at my bugout was magnitudes less than a grid solution, of course it's not exactly comparable because with a grid solution I could do many more things, but now I lit up the house free of charge. I heat the house free of charge with wood too (which I have to collect), and I will get free water by collecting rainwater in a cistern too soon. The only running cost would be to exchange the battery every 2-5 years at a cost of $15-20... Nothing is completely free. Especially not Eric Dollard it seems!

[Glass]

I know of several installations that have paid for themselves in under 3 years and are now "free".

Free in the world of free energy means no meter.

You guys are all out there on Ceres this evening.

ok well I was not aware of that. I don't think Shami-Amourae is either. I always understood, a reasoning that I arrived at by myself was that Free energy cost nothing to produce and had no inputs to make it appear. So now it appears that all the inputs to the device are irrelevant because it's not considered an input cost to the generation of power. (making power appear)

Its like saying a new design car is zero emissions to operate but the emissions to build it were higher than manufacturing a a regular car would be plus the whole of the emissions from running that regular car for it's lifetime.

Or a car is zero emssions at he tail pipe but all the emissions are shifted to an out of view power station spewing the same amount of emissions the car would make. Pollution shifting.

[Horn]

Right, know what you're saying. Humans are fairly fated with respect to energy, as if by intelligent design. Any large draws take a communal effort. It really couldn't be any other way, or some chump would've ended it all much sooner...

Most definitely tptb have buried items that can draw just near the amount to do individual tasks efficiently free. Such as moving a lightweight safe vehicle nicely. Stay out of the trucking lanes.

[Glass]

I think the concept of free energy being unmetered energy is valid. I've heard it said that you are not paying for the energy you are paying for the measuring and administration required to send you a report of how much you used. I've read suggestions that 0the energy flows down the outside of the cable, not inside the wire as we are taught. Does that mean the infrastructure is designed to suck the energy into the grid and the grid anchors the energy to it. I think yes to the first, don't know about the second. It seems to me if it flows internally its logical and clean. On the outside, sounds feasible. Don't know about clean or simple. Logical? There is some leakage with what we have. Whats is its cause? sign of outside or is leakage of inside. Not sure of the sense of that.

[Horn]

Skin effect in AC system, still in 2 wire loop as efficient as can be. The core lends itself to the alternating bits?

Check the coax cable diagrams...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect

[Horn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgsb26SXvJw&list=RDwgsb26SXvJw

......................^ states 1:45 in length, but is actually 1:44 :)