The Big FakeOut WTF?

[Cebu_4_2]

Affordable health care.
Obamacare.

I dont do Televits
I dont do radio
I dont pay for paper

I work.

WTF is this fine?

No one has received a federal letter telling them they have to apply online.

Sheep?

[BrewTech]

Affordable health care.
Obamacare.

I dont do Televits
I dont do radio
I dont pay for paper

I work.

WTF is this fine?

No one has received a federal letter telling them they have to apply online.

Sheep?

Crazy, ain't it?

"Obamacare" has got to be the nuttiest thing I've ever had the displeasure to be (expected) to be involved in.

[midnight rambler]

Hey, 'everybody' is doing it, gotta go along to get along.

[gunny highway]

The Today Show just informed me that "millions of Americans" are signing up for Obummercare. Is that what they want us to believe or are people really signing up? Does anyone have friends and family that are taking part?

[chad]

the last i heard, 5 people have been verified to have gotten through the whole process. five.

[Ares]

Hey, 'everybody' is doing it, gotta go along to get along.

That only applies to Democracy's. :)

[Ares]

The Today Show just informed me that "millions of Americans" are signing up for Obummercare. Is that what they want us to believe or are people really signing up? Does anyone have friends and family that are taking part?

The "Today Show" is just a mouth piece for Obama. So if they say millions, it's probably in the thousands. There was an article I was reading the other day where something like 75-80% of the people responded with not even knowing there was a website where you would go to sign up. Most assumed that they were covered automatically after the "law" passed.

[chad]

what's going to be funny is when people don't pay the fine and then find out that leins will be placed against property, social security garnished, etc. to come up with it. lots of people are under the assumption they can just not pay it. they don't understand what is going to happen.

[Ares]

what's going to be funny is when people don't pay the fine and then find out that leins will be placed against property, social security garnished, etc. to come up with it. lots of people are under the assumption they can just not pay it. they don't understand what is going to happen.

I'm trying to be proactive and remove myself from their jurisdiction. But the more I read and look into it, it appears that it only applies to governments that actually follow laws. This one doesn't appear to do such things.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

I heard that the few people that did sign up, they didn't get enough information in the submission form to properly sign them up for obamacare so they will eventually have to be contacted for more information.

[Cebu_4_2]

If you don't watch televitz, dont but a paper, how would you even know about it? Say if you did find out what, you have to buy a computer to sign up? I call bullshit.

[osoab]

If you don't watch televitz, dont but a paper, how would you even know about it? Say if you did find out what, you have to buy a computer to sign up? I call bullshit.

They have "groups" that have sign up wagons. Public Health offices can sign you up too.

[chad]

i think everyone should just print off a palani or 7th trump law screenshot from 1765 and send it in. i'm sure that will work fine to get you out of it.

[EE_]

what's going to be funny is when people don't pay the fine and then find out that leins will be placed against property, social security garnished, etc. to come up with it. lots of people are under the assumption they can just not pay it. they don't understand what is going to happen.

So it's just another law that allows men in masks to enforce it at barrel of a gun

http://media.heavy.com/media/2012/06/SWAT.jpg

[sirgonzo420]

That only applies to Democracy's. :)





The deliberations of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were held in strict secrecy. Consequently, anxious citizens gathered outside Independence Hall when the proceedings ended in order to learn what had been produced behind closed doors. The answer was provided immediately. A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.” (Benjamin Franklin (http://www.ourrepubliconline.com/Author/21)) http://www.ourrepubliconline.com/Images/details.gif (http://www.ourrepubliconline.com/Quote/41)





Some of us still "keep the Republic".


EDITED to add: Here is a picture of a page of a book that is currently listed for sale on Ebay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1797-United-States-Constitutions-Declaration-Independence-Articles-Confederation-/290974599368?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item43bf7008c8), that I happened to be looking at when I posted in this thread.

note "Confederated Republic of America".

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1797-United-States-Constitutions-Declaration-Independence-Articles-Confederation-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/i2UAAOxy1NxSFoYr/$%28KGrHqR,!qwFIN7kBNvFBSFoYqvvww~~60_57.JPG

[Horn]

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/217153/137110268/stock-photo-obamacare-ahead-caution-sign-137110268.jpg

[Libertytree]

I'd love to see the look on the faces of those who thought they were signing up for free healthcare, only to find out that their costs have increased, doubled etc and that they will be fined for non-compliance. LMAO at the fools.

[gunDriller]

So it's just another law that allows men in masks to enforce it at barrel of a gun

http://media.heavy.com/media/2012/06/SWAT.jpg


how will they find you ?

e.g. if you rent, have an anon. telephone (paying cash), and don't sign up with the power company.

that last one is challenging. might need a solar array for the summer and a generator for the winter.

[Libertytree]

It's not as hard as ya might think. I rent, the power isn't in my name. Dropping Ins and selling truck. The one link I have is the phone and I can't get around that on right now. Of course there's the online trail but that falls in the same category as the phone. The interesting thing as far as I am personally concerned is how they'll get blood outta this turnip.

[Hillbilly]

It's not as hard as ya might think. I rent, the power isn't in my name. Dropping Ins and selling truck. The one link I have is the phone and I can't get around that on right now. Of course there's the online trail but that falls in the same category as the phone. The interesting thing as far as I am personally concerned is how they'll get blood outta this turnip.

How to get blood out of a turnip??? first they soften it up with the tazers then the fill you full of lead!

[EE_]

how will they find you ?

e.g. if you rent, have an anon. telephone (paying cash), and don't sign up with the power company.

that last one is challenging. might need a solar array for the summer and a generator for the winter.

Better wear a disguise
http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/504e2d5becad048607000003/the-fbis-nationwide-facial-recognition-system-ends-anonymity-as-we-know-it.jpg

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Smart+camera+face+recognition_9d25eb_3657165.jpg

[Cebu_4_2]

I was checking costs on auto Ins the other day, just from my name they had my current address, my vehicles, my family etc... Couldn't complete it so I called, they are sending something for me to sign and mail back so they can get me a quote, another WTF. Creditors can't find me but these guys have everything just from my name?

[Libertytree]

I was checking costs on auto Ins the other day, just from my name they had my current address, my vehicles, my family etc... Couldn't complete it so I called, they are sending something for me to sign and mail back so they can get me a quote, another WTF. Creditors can't find me but these guys have everything just from my name?

A lot of times they just think they have you, then you confirm it.

[Horn]

I'm a turnip

First you will be placed on the No Fly List for unknown reasons, then your car insurance co. will refuse to cover based on no medical coverage, after your D.L. is suspended for failure to provide insurance your mobile phone provider will require to see a valid license with S.S.# to ensure that you can make it to the store to pay your bill after the U.S. postal service goes under and goes private.

[Cebu_4_2]

Obamacare application tool is ‘down’ By Caroline May (http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/themes/dctwo/authorbio.php?user=cmay) 2:18 PM 10/11/2013




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The Obamacare “enrollment tool” is “down,” according to a representative answering questions at Healthcare.gov’s phone number.
The representative made the comments to insurance broker and blogger Dave Petno, who posted (http://davepetno.com/2013/10/11/audio-day-11-obamacare-supervisor-admits-online-application-is-down-indef/) the conversation he had with an “Obamacare supervisor” Friday morning.
“The system is not available, it’s not you, it’s not accepting information. So once it becomes available you’ll be able to log on with your current information,” the supervisor told Petno.
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Another operator speaking with The Daily Caller on Obamacare’s “1-800″ number Friday afternoon explained that operators have been encouraging people who call to try the online feature in a few days.
“We are diligently trying to get those systems up and running more proficiently to where our consumers can get on and navigate the system and they are giving us a timeframe of around Oct. 15,” the operator told The Daily Caller.
When pressed about whether potential applicants would be able to sign up before Oct. 15, the operator encouraged filling an application out with him.
The supervisor reached by Petno insisted that Healthcare.gov is not down completely, just the application system.
“Healthcare.gov is working, the enrollment tool is not,” she said.
When Petno asked why there is no notification on website that the application tool is down, the supervisor said “that has been suggested, so the idea has been sent to the people that would make that decision.”
“I understand. It is very frustrating to keep trying it over and over,” the supervisor said.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/11/obamacare-application-tool-is-down/#ixzz2hRs2snE4

[gunDriller]

what's going to be funny is when people don't pay the fine and then find out that leins will be placed against property, social security garnished, etc. to come up with it. lots of people are under the assumption they can just not pay it. they don't understand what is going to happen.

and they have guns.

i expect security at the IRS will be beefed up.


it sounds like it would not be difficult to set up a 'situation' that keeps the Zero-care website at a crawl.

if enough people have trouble signing up, they won't be able to implement the Mandate.


one idea is to partially sign up, and to archive the screen captures, to show that you TRIED. in case they waive the Mandate fee for anybody who can show that they tried.

[Cebu_4_2]

Insurance premium increases shock Charlotte consumers
By Karen Garloch
kgarloch@charlotteobserver.com
Posted: Sunday, Oct. 06, 2013
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Across North Carolina, thousands of people have been shocked in recent weeks to find out their health insurance plans will be canceled at the end of the year – and premiums for comparable coverage could increase sharply.

One of them is George Schwab of Charlotte, who pays $228 a month for his family’s $10,000 deductible plan from Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina.

In a Sept. 23 letter, Blue Cross notified him that his current plan doesn’t meet benefit requirements outlined in the Affordable Care Act and suggested a comparable plan for $1,208 a month – $980 more than he now pays.

“I’m 62 and retired,” Schwab said. “This creates a tremendous financial burden for our family.

“The President told the American people numerous times that… ‘If you like your coverage, you can keep it,’” Schwab said. “How can we keep it if it has been eliminated? How can we keep it if the premium has been increased 430 percent in one year?”

Schwab and others who purchase insurance individually, and not through employer-sponsored group plans, are finding that the Affordable Care Act may be unaffordable for their families.

The new law, which rolled out to consumers this week with the opening of the online insurance marketplace, requires most Americans to buy insurance or pay a fine. It also sets minimum standards for health benefits and prohibits insurers from excluding or charging higher premiums for people who have pre-existing medical conditions.

“There’s good and bad in the law,” said Chris Blount, a Blue Cross agent wth Piedmont Benefits Group in Charlotte. “I think it’s bad that we can’t have as many choices as we’ve had before. But it’s not like you’re having to pay more and getting less. You’re having to pay more, and you’re getting more.”

Under the new law, all insurance plans must cover 10 “essential health benefits,” including maternity care and pediatric dental and vision care. Plans must also provide certain preventive services, such as mammograms and colonoscopies for free.

Today, people who buy individual policies often choose plans without maternity coverage, for example, to reduce premiums. That choice is gone, too.

“Now maternity is loaded into everybody’s plan,” Blount said.

That means men will generally be paying more than they did before. But women, who can no longer be charged more just for being female, will probably pay less.

Using Blue Cross rates, Blount calculated two examples: The premium for a “middle of the road” plan for a 25-year-old healthy male will increase from $124 per month to $240. But the premium for a 25-year-old female will drop from $378 to $240 per month.

People like Schwab may face “huge increases … because they’re having to buy lower deductibles,” Blount said. But they will benefit from having better coverage and lower out-of-pocket costs, he said.

But Blount agreed with Schwab that the president shouldn’t have made promises he couldn’t keep. Consumers are able to keep the insurance they have if their policies were written before, and not changed since, the law went into effect in March 2010.

“That’s one thing that really bothers me about all of this,” Blount said. “He didn’t just say it once. He said it a lot.”

Hit by big increases

Blue Cross spokesman Lew Borman said Friday that large premium increases will affect about one-third of the approximately 400,000 North Carolina customers who buy Blue Cross insurance in the individual market. Some of their policies were canceled because they didn’t meet the new federal standards, he said.

The other two-thirds of individual customers have policies that are “grandfathered” and will have smaller premium increases similar to recent years.

Those who got notices about large increases should go to the insurance exchange and compare plans, Borman said. In North Carolina, Blue Cross and Coventry Health Care of the Carolinas are offering a total of 51 plans from the least expensive “bronze” model to the most expensive “platinum” plans.

“We have 26 plans on the exchange and an equal number or more off the exchange,” Borman said. “They just need to take a look and do some research about what kind of plan is appropriate.”

Adam Linker, a policy analyst at the North Carolina Health Access Coalition, said the Blue Cross letters are scaring people unnecessarily.

“What people need to do is ignore the price that’s on those letters,” Linker said. “That’s just Blue Cross trying to guess at what may be a comparable plan.

“People just need to go shop for insurance in the marketplace and find plans that are probably more comprehensive than what they had and are much less expensive than Blue Cross is saying their new price would be.”

Those who buy insurance through the exchange may also qualify for federal subsidies that can make the premiums more affordable, Linker said. The subsidies are tax credits that are available to individuals who make between $11,490 and $45,960 per year. Families of four who make between $23,550 and $94,200 can qualify for subsidies.

Steve Graybill, a senior benefits consultant in Mercer’s Charlotte office, said the “new world of health care reform” is disrupting some people’s lives more than others’, depending on where they live. For example, in Massachusetts and New York, where state insurance requirements were similar to the new federal benefit requirements, changes in premiums are less drastic.

Another reason premiums are higher in North Carolina, Graybill said, is the lack of competition among health care providers. For example, Carolinas HealthCare System and Novant Health – the two major providers in Charlotte – have large networks of hospitals and doctors that cross state lines. They are able to use their size to leverage better reimbursement contracts with insurance companies.

“Ninety percent of the care (in North Carolina) is controlled by seven health care systems,” Graybill said.

Sticker shock

Michael Hood, 46, who lives near Winston-Salem, is another of the Blue Cross customers who is suffering sticker shock after receiving a recent renewal letter.

He and his wife, who is expecting their third child, now pay $324 per month for a plan with a $10,000 family deductible. The comparable plan suggested by Blue Cross for next year would cost $895.27 per month with an $11,000 family deductible. Their annual payment would rise from $14,000 to $24,000.

Self-employed as part owner of a medical device distributorship, Hood said he and his wife “try to live a healthy lifestyle and keep our medical costs down.” They chose the high-deductible plan to keep their premium low.

Hood said his income is about $85,000 a year, which would mean he might be able to qualify for a subsidy. He said he checked the online marketplace, which has been operating only sporadically this week, and didn’t think it looked like his family would be eligible.

One of the pluses of any new plan is that it will cover maternity care, which his current plan doesn’t. But “is that really worth paying $1,000 a month more for?”

“I’m angry that legislation has been passed that is forcing me to purchase something that otherwise I would not have to purchase,” Hood said.

“The president told us Obamacare would make health insurance affordable and reduce costs. It is now impossible for our family to afford private health insurance.”

[Libertytree]

suckers!