UK doctors given bonuses for placing patients on ‘death lists’ - report

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General practitioners in England have been receiving £50 bonuses for placing patients on controversial ‘death lists’ in order to reduce the number of occupied hospital beds. The move is yet another tactic aimed at cutting NHS costs, UK media reported.

Each death which occurs outside an NHS hospital has been calculated to save the health system some £1,000 ($1,600) in England. On average, deaths which occur inside NHS hospitals cost the service around £3,065 (just under $5000), while those elsewhere cost £2,107 (around $3,400).

Doctors have been given bonuses for drawing up ‘end-of-life advanced care plans’ for patients they predict will die within a year.

http://rt.com/news/nhs-gp-bonus-deathlist-457/


http://rt.com/news/nhs-gp-bonus-deathlist-457/

[Norweger]

Under this usurious economical system humans are nothing more than stocks and bonds.

[collector]

Nice allocation of tax dollars - people work, pay taxes which are then used to pay for their own death order from the government controlled doctor

[Glass]

I thought the hospitals got a lot more than that. I thought they got upward GBP 100 000 for every one going onto the death pathway, as they call it.

Maybe it was the number of people going through it. On that point. Just do the numbers when you see them. It says 60,000. but thats the thing. What is it about those 60,000?

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60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told but minister still says controversial end-of-life plan is 'fantastic'



Pathway involves the sick being sedated and usually denied nutrition and fluids
Families kept in the dark when doctors withdraw lifesaving treatment
Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said pathway was a 'fantastic step forward'
Anti-euthanasia group said: ‘The Pathway is designed to finish people off double quick'


Up to 60,000 patients die on the Liverpool Care Pathway each year without giving their consent, shocking figures revealed yesterday.

A third of families are also kept in the dark when doctors withdraw lifesaving treatment from loved ones.

Despite the revelations, Jeremy Hunt last night claimed the pathway was a ‘fantastic step forward’.

Mr Hunt has made a nonsense of the claim of his ministers that there is going to be an independent inquiry.’

The review follows a public outcry over a string of disturbing cases, highlighted by this paper, in which patients or their families were ignored.

The pathway involves withdrawal of lifesaving treatment, with the sick sedated and usually denied nutrition and fluids. Death typically takes place within 29 hours.

The 60,000 figure comes from a joint study by the Marie Curie Palliative Care Institute in Liverpool and the Royal College of Physicians.
t found many patients were not consulted despite being conscious when doctors decided on their care.

Records from 178 hospitals also show that thousands of people on the pathway are left to die in pain because nurses do not do enough to keep them comfortable while drugs are administered.

An estimated 130,000 patients are put on the pathway each year.

Concerns have been raised that clinical judgments are being skewed by incentives for hospitals to use the pathway.

Health trusts are thought to have been rewarded with an extra £30million for putting more patients on the LCP.
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link to article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255054/60-000-patients-death-pathway-told-minister-says-controversial-end-life-plan-fantastic.html)

It goes on to talk about how the errors are few and we shouldn't worry. It's extremely sick. No one has the right to withhold the necessities of life in any circumstance.

So at the end of all that, it isn't 60,000 people at all. There's another 70,000 they do tell they are going to kill them. Per year. Now I know people die in large numbers as the natural order of things, but I don't agree with this way.

[mamboni]

Under government run healthcare, everything is itemized cost-wise and each patient is an account. The population is budgeted for and the expenses and revenues must match. Under Obamacare ACO (Accountable Care Organizations) will be created wherein doctors, hospitals and support services are paid one flat dollar amount to care for a designated population of several thousand lives. If the ACO derives a net profit this is shared with the doctors and hospitals. Now can you see how collectivized healthcare undermines the doctor-patient relationship in several ways. First, the doctor is supposed to be the patient advocate, limited only by the patient's desires and means. Now the doctor answers to a corporate board for his profit-loss statement. He is incentivized to do less for the patient, withold expensive care options, and channel the patient into cheaper alternatives, a direct conflict of interest with the doctor-patient relationship. Also, the patient's chart is no longer held in trust by his doctor, but is the property of the collective ACO, government, regulators, and insurers. So as a patient, if you can't trust your doctor to do right by you, and you can't trust that your personal and private health history will be secure, then in effect your access to healthcare has be completely obviated. Under these circumstances, patients will be afraid to trust their doctors or share their health histories and this will undermine the ability of the doctor to provide good care. And even if don't like the results of your care or suffer harm , there is no redress because you cannot sue the soveriegn. You have lost control over your own person, your literal personal property.

Soylent green anyone?

[Son-of-Liberty]

That is basically how we are treated here in Canada although I don't think it is that bad yet.

The main issue I see, beyond the eugenics angle is that the payer of the hospital is not the patient so the patient is not treated as a customer.

Under private care if a doctor is not giving you the level of service you expect you can legitimately refuse to pay, just the way you might refuse to pay for a meal that took an hour to be served and had a hair in it. But since the government is footing the bill it doesn't really matter if the patient is unsatisfied with the level of care, the customer (government) still foots the bill.

[Twisted Titan]

Moral of the story :Dont get sick but we want you to keep paying into the system until you die.

[mamboni]

Moral of the story :Dont get sick but we want you to keep paying into the system until you die.

Yep! We're all human batteries. The uberkitty was right. The top sucks from the bottom.

[ShortJohnSilver]

Mamboni, read up on Russian and Eastern European serfdom and "arendar" which was when the serfs were attached to a piece of land. The owner would lease his land and serfs out to whoever could pay for a 3 or 5 year lease, and then it was up to the renter to get back his investment.

[Uncle Salty]

But are they placing bets after placing patients on the list?

Is there a death pool?

[mamboni]

But are they placing bets after placing patients on the list?

Is there a death pool?

That's really twisted. I'm worried about you Uncle.

[Glass]

a death pool sounds like it might have some legs. Place bets on how long on Bessie will keep going for. Will she make the full 29 hours? What happens then? If you don't kick it in 29 do they top you?

In Oz you get a credit card to pay your medicare. Just like an EBT card. You can use it as much as you like but there is always a co-pay of about 30%.

In the old days your card was only for proof of access and you had to pay the invoice then take the invoice to the medicare place which is just like a social security office, to get your re-imbursement. Depressing and full of sick people.

Now the system is fully electronic and you simpy swipe at the Doctor Shop and then pay the difference. Easy.

I send my cards back cancelled and pay all my costs myself. I don't run private cover because basically there is none and I pay a Medicare penalty each year which is < 1/3 the cost of the private cover which covers nothing. Minimum private cover for me, last I checked, which was about 10 year ago was, back then $3000 per year.

For that I got:
1 x ambulance trip upto $300 - that would pay to the suburb boundary
2 x dentist trips upto $95.00 - maybe a clean or a quick squiz but no treatment
2 x doctor trip upto $95.00 - 2 x 15 minutes

Medicare on the other hand has some problems. #1 is like they said, All the medical centres got bought up by big corporates. Now my medical records are stored in Hong Kong or somewhere.

When looking at my record the screen pops up with all these prescription suggestions based on the words in the history record. They just want to sell me drugs and the new Doc doesn't know jack. The old guy retired after selling out. Don't blame him.

Another issue is the Govt can withhold treatment or make rules. I got hit with some rules while "applying" for a special medication. This medication costs $4000 per month subsidized to $400. I was required to sign a bunch of paperwork and I had to undertake an agreement which was astounding to be honest but would have put me at risk of being liable for as much as $500,000 PA in recovery expenses and some other things. The medication doesn't actually cure anything either.

That was pretty much the end right there. I stay away, I pay my way when I need help but the rest they can stick. The medicare penalty is less than 1/3 cost of private cover so the way I see it I am in front.

[Neuro]

Throw them off the cliffs of Dover. Once a month whatever the tides and the guls hasn't taken can be dosed with lime...

Getting rid of all those NHS doctors will save the system so much...

[mick silver]

and yet they set back and take it up the ass and do nothing to stop this , it seam as no one cares no more about there love ones

[chad]

research how life insurance started. death pool betting in london pubs financed by lloyd's of london.

[Neuro]

research how life insurance started. death pool betting in london pubs financed by lloyd's of london.
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