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Ares
22nd October 2013, 08:52 AM
South Carolina Doctor Mike Vasovski has joined a growing group of doctors and taken his medical practice off the insurance grid.

Last week Dr. Vasovski wrote on his Facebook page:

“My medical practice has gone off line. Effective yesterday, the computers that contain patient’s account information including billing diagnosis, have been completely de-linked from the internet. Therefore, your health information is completely secure. Accounting will be done in house with Quickbooks on a PC that is not connected to the internet. We are moving towards a payment at time of service model in which my practice does not participate with insurance companies. Fees will be truly affordable and your medical records will not be in a format that can be accessed electronically. Peace and Liberty, Dr. Mike Vasovski.”

In an interview with Joshua Cook, he discussed a variety of reasons – both ideological and practical – for his choice, and described the effects of these actions on patients. Vasovski showed how such practices could keep a free market healthcare system alive even as Obamacare takes effect.

“Off grid” or “cash only” practices collect money directly from the patient at the time of service. Vasovski described two off grid payment models, one in which doctors charged a per month fee in which people could visit as often as necessary, and one in which there is simply a reasonable office visit charge. Vasovski’s practice has chosen the second model with a $45 benchmark, and says that is enough to provide most services because most vaccinations and other shots are being provided by pharmacies.

“So we’re not responsible for buying those things, storing them and counting them and that kind of stuff.” Adding that cost-saving development to the nearly $6000/year saved on insurance software, this becomes an increasingly viable business model. There is also a huge number of generic drugs – over 300 – available for $4/month at major pharmacies. “That’s less than a 6-pack and it gets you a month worth of your medicines.”

The direct payment business model has a number of benefits for both practices and patients. One of the most topical is security. Because Vasovski’s office isn’t connected to insurance companies, he has been able to take his entire practice off the internet. No hackers, Assange-like activists, or government entities can access any patient information, like Social Security numbers or health problems.

Even the most “secure” encryption services cannot provide that assurance. He even described a telephone call in which a salesperson tried to sell him a 284 bit encrypted program. When Vasovski asked him what he thought of Julian Assange, he replied that he didn’t know who that was. “At that point I said, ‘you’re trying to sell me a computer security program and you don’t know who Julian Assange is?’”

Another benefit Vasovski described is lowered costs. With insurance companies acting as the middle man, there is no check on costs because there is no incentive to cut back on costs. Insurance companies earned more the higher the prices, and consumers aren’t paying the bill. “So it looks like healthcare costs more, but that’s not the true bottom line.” In fact employers had to deal with most of the costs of care. “In the price of a new car from GM, like 14-15% of the cost of the car is nothing but health insurance.”

Vasovski also said that the off grid system improves the doctor patient relationship. “You do spend a little more time – not less time – you spend more time with them, and by design, you’re going to be a little bit more interested in satisfying them than if it’s just a checkmark on a sheet with the bill going to the insurance company.”

On a more ideological level, the direct payment model also gets back to the true nature of insurance. “If you’re dealing with no deductible or a $20 co-pay for a visit or something, it’s not really insurance because then it’s like going to eat at the Golden Corral. Once you’re in you get to eat all you want.” People don’t use car insurance for oil changes; they use it for wrecks. A $5000 deductible means people can use insurance for any major event – even a broken leg will cost about $10,000 to fix and any emergency room visit will start at $2,500 – while paying $45 for simple visits. A high deductable “turns it into real insurance. It’s only used when there is something really bad, and the rest of the stuff you have to pick up on your own. Then you become a very good shopper.”

Dr. Vasovski eliminated the insurance aspect of his practice because he could provide better care cheaper on a free market system. Many doctors who are currently deliberating whether to keep their practices open may choose to convert to such a system, too. Direct pay programs, along with generic drugs and pharmacy-provided shots and vaccinations, mean that the free market will continue to play a role in healthcare and insurance.

http://benswann.com/exclusive-dr-mike-vasovski-discusses-reasons-for-going-off-the-insurance-grid/

mamboni
22nd October 2013, 09:44 AM
Tag for later reading..

iOWNme
22nd October 2013, 09:46 AM
Just imagine what would happen to 'Government' if everyone did this exact same thing with their business?

'Government' is a BELIEF system, nothing more. This Dr has made the conscience decision to stop BELIEVING that some distant group of criminals has the right to run his life.

Very few people have the courage to face this FACT and move forward with their own conscience.

mick silver
22nd October 2013, 03:36 PM
what sad about this is that the goverment will put him out of biz before long

Ares
22nd October 2013, 03:38 PM
what sad about this is that the goverment will put him out of biz before long

There's no law that says he has to accept medicaid, medicare, or Obamacare patients.

mick silver
22nd October 2013, 03:41 PM
may not be right now , but you know how they like to make new laws

iOWNme
22nd October 2013, 03:54 PM
may not be right now , but you know how they like to make new laws

Mick is absolutely right. In 5 years or less it will be 'illegal' to NOT accept 'Government' ponzi schemes.

Which is why this Dr should throw his medical license in the GARBAGE, buy some weapons, and continue to run his business voluntarily and peacefully. If men show up to truy and close down his shop, extort money from him, threaten him with violence or try to lock him in a cage, he will have the means to defend himself, his family and his business, AND HE WILL BE IN THE MORAL RIGHT FOR DOING SO.

Libertytree
22nd October 2013, 04:00 PM
Even seeking such doctors will be a crime as well.

midnight rambler
22nd October 2013, 05:28 PM
Even seeking such doctors will be a crime as well.

Well then I suppose us 'slaves' need to start an 'underground railroad'.

Jewboo
22nd October 2013, 06:06 PM
Direct pay programs, along with generic drugs and pharmacy-provided shots and vaccinations, mean that the free market will continue to play a role in healthcare and insurance.





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The doc is just skimming the easy office care. He sends all his patients to their drug store to get their shots. What if you break a bone or need a real surgeon? He have affiliation with any hospital? He have his own imaging equipment?

:(?? where's the fine print?

Ares
22nd October 2013, 06:13 PM
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000861473/polls_polls_polls_polls_dr2_xlarge.jpeg


The doc is just skimming the easy office care. He sends all his patients to their drug store to get their shots. What if you break a bone or need a real surgeon? He have affiliation with any hospital? He have his own imaging equipment?

:(?? where's the fine print?


No idea, feel free to call him and ask him.

(803) 649-4446 (Office Hours 8am to 5pm)

Jewboo
22nd October 2013, 06:34 PM
(803) 649-4446 (Office Hours 8am to 5pm)



None of his patients get sick or injured after 5pm?

:)

ShortJohnSilver
22nd October 2013, 06:54 PM
He is taking the non-critical patients, not the people that got in a car accident and had their arm ripped off. I don't see a problem with it. I do remember going to a cash-only doctor about 14 years ago - and paying about $45 for the visit. So the guy is probably not going to get wealthy doing this, but maybe he can have some self-respect.

Twisted Titan
22nd October 2013, 08:09 PM
He is taking the non-critical patients, not the people that got in a car accident and had their arm ripped off. I don't see a problem with it. I do remember going to a cash-only doctor about 14 years ago - and paying about $45 for the visit. So the guy is probably not going to get wealthy doing this, but maybe he can have some self-respect.

I agree ...there was a time when you went to the emergency room when you had a immediate emergency.

Anything else was taken care of by a primary.

Twisted Titan
22nd October 2013, 08:10 PM
He is taking the non-critical patients, not the people that got in a car accident and had their arm ripped off. I don't see a problem with it. I do remember going to a cash-only doctor about 14 years ago - and paying about $45 for the visit. So the guy is probably not going to get wealthy doing this, but maybe he can have some self-respect.

I agree ...there was a time when you went to the emergency room when you had a immediate emergency.

Anything else was taken care of by a primary.

ximmy
23rd October 2013, 10:29 AM
I agree ...there was a time when you went to the emergency room when you had a immediate emergency.

Anything else was taken care of by a primary.


I agree ...there was a time when you went to the emergency room when you had a immediate emergency.

Anything else was taken care of by a primary.

A déjà vu is usually a glitch in the Matrix...

gunDriller
23rd October 2013, 02:13 PM
He is taking the non-critical patients, not the people that got in a car accident and had their arm ripped off.

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/img/4ffc/QMaxim/31m.jpg

i hate it when that happens !