NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders - the final straw!

[mamboni]

NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders

This is huge and will have massive consequences both political and economic. How many are being blackmailed today? On top of anger over FED QE, and the ME wars, and Snowden revelations, and the embaressing federal government near shutdown with America's totally busted budget on display for all to see, Saudi Arabia breaking off diplomatic relations on the heels of China surpassing the US as the world's largest oil importer, now this! This is going to be the final straw for the US dollar. It won't happen over night to be sure, but the world has begun fleeing the dollar en masse. It is obvious to all that USA Inc. has had her last hurrah and this USS Titanic is going down. Our former friends have no desire to get sucked into the drink with us:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/24/nsa-surveillance-world-leaders-calls
http://rt.com/usa/nsa-monitored-world-leaders-692/

There is only one refuge from a collapsing dollar, reserve currency at the base of all the world's fait currencies: GOLD.

[vacuum]

If you closely read the article, the 35 world leaders was just a single example of a single government official giving the NSA his rolodex. It was a just a side-note in the memo of an example of how soliciting contact info from other branches of the government can be helpful. So the scale of this is absolutely massive.

[Horn]

As if it hasn't been going on since dawn's creation.

Don't all of them have dedicated Red phones like Bruce Wayne for sensitive calls, anyway?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgCkmUS1IYI

[mick silver]

http://www.thedailybell.com/images/library/brainscrub150.jpg

[7th trump]

I havent yet seen it mentioned on the web yet, but if you really think about it, the "internet" is a US government communication infrastructure creation and the whole damn world is connected up to it..........HELLO!!!
Basically the US government is connected to the world......who knows what they can do and what they cannot do............I suspect they can do more than they cannot do.
Do you really think the NSA spy buildings ( yes theres more than 1 of those huge buildings.....there are several in Utah) are just for us, 1 country?

[mamboni]

I havent yet seen it mentioned on the web yet, but if you really think about it, the "internet" is a US government communication infrastructure creation and the whole damn world is connected up to it..........HELLO!!!
Basically the US government is connected to the world......who knows what they can do and what they cannot do............I suspect they can do more than they cannot do.
Do you really think the NSA spy buildings ( yes theres more than 1 of those huge buildings.....there are several in Utah) are just for us, 1 country?


To wit:


Germany Wants A German Internet To Keep The NSA Out


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Submitted by Tyler Durden (http://gold-silver.us/users/tyler-durden) on
10/25/2013 09:14 -0400




As the 'diplomatic' debacle continues to rage between the US and Europe (most
loudly France and Germany) over the Obama administration's ongoing eavesdropping
on its allies' cell phone,
Reuters reports that (state-backed) Deutsche Telekom is calling for
German comms companies to cooperate to shield local internet traffic from
foreign intelligence services. "It is internationally without precedent
that the internet traffic of a developed country bypasses the servers of another
country," notes one academic, warning that if more countries wall themselves
off, it could lead to a troubling "Balkanisation" of the Internet, crippling the
openness and efficiency that have made the web a source of economic growth.
Despite Obama's denials, the situation is not fading away, and
Germany and France continue to demand a "no spying"
agreement.



Via
Reuters, (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/25/us-usa-spying-germany-idUSBRE99O09S20131025)



As a diplomatic row rages between the United States and Europe over spying
accusations, state-backed Deutsche Telekom wants German communications
companies to cooperate to shield local internet traffic from foreign
intelligence services.



More fundamentally, the initiative runs counter to how the Internet works
today - global traffic is passed from network to network under free or paid-for
agreements with no thought for national borders.

If more countries wall themselves off, it could lead to a troubling
"Balkanisation" of the Internet, crippling the openness and efficiency that have
made the web a source of economic growth, said Dan Kaminsky, a U.S.
security researcher.


Controls over internet traffic are more commonly seen in countries
such as China and Iran where governments seek to limit the content
their people can access by erecting firewalls and blocking Facebook and
Twitter.

"It is internationally without precedent that the internet traffic of
a developed country bypasses the servers of another country," said
Torsten Gerpott, a professor of business and telecoms at the University of
Duisburg-Essen.

"The push of Deutsche Telekom is laudable, but it's also a public relations
move."

...

Government snooping is a sensitive subject in Germany, which has
among the strictest privacy laws in the world, since it dredges up memories of
eavesdropping by the Stasi secret police in the former East Germany, where
Merkel grew up.

The issue dominated discussions at a European summit on Thursday, prompting
Merkel to demand that the U.S. strike a "no-spying" agreement with
Berlin and Paris by the end of the year.


...



Brazil's President Dilma Rousseff, angered by reports that the U.S.
spied on her and other Brazilians, is pushing legislation that would force
Google, Facebook and other internet companies to store locally gathered or
user-generated data inside the country.

[mamboni]

Snowden disputes Feinstein claim that NSA spying isn't 'surveillance'


By Brendan Sasso -
10/24/13 04:20 PM ET




National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden on Thursday disputed Sen. Dianne Feinstein's (D-Calif.) claim that the government's phone record collection program is not "surveillance."

"Today, no telephone in America makes a call without leaving a record with the NSA. Today, no Internet transaction enters or leaves America without passing through the NSA's hands," Snowden said in a statement Thursday.

"Our representatives in Congress tell us this is not surveillance. They're wrong."
Snowden didn't mention Feinstein, the chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, by name, but she has said repeatedly that the NSA's program to collect records on all U.S. phone calls is not a surveillance program.



"The call-records program is not surveillance," she wrote in an op-ed (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/10/20/nsa-call-records-program-sen-dianne-feinstein-editorials-debates/3112715/) in USA Today this week. "It does not collect the content of any communication, nor do the records include names or locations."She said the NSA only collects phone numbers, call times and call durations.


"The Supreme Court has held this 'metadata' is not protected under the Fourth Amendment," Feinstein wrote, referring to the court's 1972 decision in Smith v. Maryland.
The existence of the phone record collection program was one the most controversial revelations from Snowden's leaks earlier this year. Many lawmakers, including Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), have expressed outrage that the NSA is collecting records on millions of Americans not under any suspicion of wrongdoing.
Snowden provided his statement to the American Civil Liberties Union to promote a rally the group is holding on Saturday along with other civil liberties groups in Washington.
"Now it's time for the government to learn from us," said Snowden, who is currently living in Russia.




Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/330497-snowden-fires-back-at-feinstein-over-surveillance-claim#ixzz2ik7n2tS1
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[Horn]

To wit:


Germany Wants A German Internet To Keep The NSA Out

Oh boy,

yeah problem solution there.

Who cares what Merkel, says on the phone anyways, what does she discuss the type of German sausage she's sharing with Netanyahoo?

[mamboni]

Oh boy,

yeah problem solution there.

Who cares what Merkel, says on the phone anyways, what does she discuss the type of German sausage she's sharing with Netanyahoo?

Actually, that would be a kosher sausage.{0}

[Horn]

Actually, that would be a kosher sausage.{0}

I could see how the the world may interpret this news though, you're correct.

each country might try to nationalize, and lockdown (even more) communications.

U.S. shunned away, but at the same time benefits as they divide and conquer.

[Horn]

Germany's Angela Merkel calls White House over phone monitoring fears5552

Yes, Benjamin I have'n yur orden for the new extra suave kosher brand sausages.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/germanys-angela-merkel-calls-white-house-over-phone-monitoring-fears-20131024-2w2a5.html#ixzz2ikpTn6ST

[vacuum]

It just keeps getting better:

NSA surveillance: Merkel's phone may have been monitored 'for over 10 years' (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/26/nsa-surveillance-brazil-germany-un-resolution)

[mick silver]

there no place in the world thats they are not spying on leaders and there people , hell this is just one big take over of the world ......... welcome to the NWO . i just dont see how the people of the world can take back their rights now . it just keeps getting bigger .http://www.thedailybell.com/images/library/brainscrub150.jpg

[vacuum]

It just keeps getting better:


Barack Obama 'approved tapping Angela Merkel's phone 3 years ago' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10407282/Barack-Obama-approved-tapping-Angela-Merkels-phone-3-years-ago.html)

[mamboni]

Barack Obama 'approved tapping Angela Merkel's phone 3 years ago' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10407282/Barack-Obama-approved-tapping-Angela-Merkels-phone-3-years-ago.html)


But but but.....I don't understand....Obama lied? The One lied?

[JohnQPublic]

Merkel is pissed, and should be, but I doubt that anyone in that position ever believes that they actually do have privacy on cell phones (or any phone, or the internet etc.), and I am sure they act accordingly. Big brother is here, and everyone knows it. Investigating technologies for cyber coding emails, etc. is needed just to maintain some dignity. Someone also ought to start servers just to pump tons garbage into to cybersphere to overload the f*cking spies. Of course technology can filter through a lot of chaff. Unfortuinately the sheep don't care as long as they get their football, Budweiser, and a few treats now an again.

[gunDriller]

If you closely read the article, the 35 world leaders was just a single example of a single government official giving the NSA his rolodex. It was a just a side-note in the memo of an example of how soliciting contact info from other branches of the government can be helpful. So the scale of this is absolutely massive.


they are building what is shown fictionally in the TV series "Person of Interest", where they have a 24/7/360-180 AI computer that sucks up all the info about everybody.

like TIA, what Negroponte was talking about under Bush.

there are obviously ways to stay off the radar.


one thing that would help people is to create small generators that are practical in an apartment.

you can use a cell-phone (anonymous, if you pay attention to the details) and you can also work something out with a neighbor, rent wireless access from them.

but - electricity ? as soon as you give your name to the power company, you are no longer anonymous.


that's if you rent. if you own, you need to own the property in the name of a trust or LLC.