Have we had an endrun around the 2nd amendment?

[Ares]

(Gulagbound.com) There are numerous alarming reasons why the US government and the military have been buying up all the ammo. Here’s one of them. Obama and the EPA just shut down the last lead smelting plant in the US. They raised the EPA regulations by 10 fold and it would have cost the plant $100 million to comply. You can own all the guns you want, but if you can’t get ammo, you are out of luck.

http://www.noisyroom.net/blog/102913.jpg

Remember when Obama promised his minions that he was working on gun control behind the scenes? Welcome to it. Now, all domestic mined lead ore will have to be shipped overseas, refined and then shipped back to the US. Not only will ammo now be even harder to come by, the demand and the process of supply will cause the price to skyrocket even more. And ponder this… there is an excellent chance that Obama will rig the market to where all ammo has to be purchased from a government entity instituting de facto ammo registration. So much for the Second Amendment. There has not been a peep about this in the major news outlets and it is done. With the US no longer producing lead, all supplies will now have to come from China, Australia or Peru, with the overwhelming emphasis on China. More redistribution of wealth; more economic and liberty crippling of the US on tap.

The asshats at the EPA (evil protection agency) had this to say:

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said the company “made a business decision” to shut down the smelter instead of installing pollution control technologies needed to reduce sulfur dioxide and lead emissions as required by the Clean Air Act.

The Doe Run Co. announced last year that it had dropped plans to build a new lead processing facility in Herculaneum that would have used a new, cleaner lead production technology. The company cited the $100 million project as too financially risky.

The EPA is playing Mafioso I guess — we didn’t make them shut down, they made a business decision. In other words, they couldn’t pay the extortion, so the thugs shut them down. I’m pretty sure that Americans are getting ready to make their own business decision regarding the Marxists and I don’t think it will be pleasant. But Marxists will do or die and are doubling down on the destruction of energy in America, our way of life and the Constitution.

The smelting plant has known since 2010 this was coming. They couldn’t stop it and no one else rose up to stop it either. The business had been in production for 120 years and now goes the way of our auto industry.

The military’s obsession with ammo was related to security and supply. They knew this was coming too, so they bought up all they could get before the plug was pulled. Screw the average American. It’s as Chris Muir said, he’s not as worried about where the bullets will come from, as much as how the government will deliver them and I’m right there with him on that one.

So, back door gun control is moving forward and while we are all distracted with shiny stuff, our Second Amendment rights are just about gone. Obama is one Marxist dictator who is savvy at political chess. He has flanked the Second Amendment. Now it’s our move.

http://www.libertyfederation.com/have_we_had_an_endrun_around_the_2nd_amendment

[Ponce]

New word of the day........"endrun"..........unable to find out the meaning.........end= the end?.....run= running?......end of the running?

V

[chad]

good thing i bought about 8 billion rounds since last november.

buy what you need today like you won't be able to tomorrow (or something like that)
-ponce

[midnight rambler]

Another reason I've always suggested everyone should get their 'lifetime supply' of ammo.

[chad]

i shot about 400 rounds on monday. maybe i shouldn't have done that. whatever.

[EE_]

i shot about 400 rounds on monday. maybe i shouldn't have done that. whatever.

You better hang on to the last 7,999,999,600 you have left.

[Ares]

Doe Run workers to be cut at end of December

HERCULANEUM • About 145 employees of the Doe Run lead smelter have learned they will lose their jobs at the end of December because of the plant’s closure, the Doe Run Co. said Wednesday. An additional 73 contractor jobs also will be eliminated.

The job cuts were expected. The plant, which has operated for more than a century and is the lone remaining lead smelter in the United States, announced in 2010 that it will cease operations at the end of this year.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said the company “made a business decision” to shut down the smelter instead of installing pollution control technologies needed to reduce sulfur dioxide and lead emissions as required by the Clean Air Act.

The Doe Run Co. announced last year that it had dropped plans to build a new lead processing facility in Herculaneum that would have used a new, cleaner lead production technology. The company cited the

$100 million project as too financially risky.

Employees were notified of their future with the company or of their impending layoff between Sept. 30 and Oct. 8 in face-to-face meetings, said Tammy Stankey, a company spokeswoman.

The company will keep about 75 employees into 2014 to operate its refinery and strip mill and to prepare the property “for closure and repurposing.” It expects to have transferred 43 employees to other Doe Run divisions by this year’s end, according to a company statement.

Some operations, such as the water treatment plant, will operate indefinitely, and a maintenance staff will remain to “maintain essential facilities,” the company said.

The company said it had been working with employees for months to help them transition to new roles and had set up a career center to help with resume writing, interviewing and job searches.

“We have a very talented workforce and encourage businesses looking for dedicated, hardworking and skilled employees to contact us,” Gary Hughes, general manager of the smelter, said in the statement.

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/doe-run-workers-to-be-cut-at-end-of-december/article_56182c9f-0413-59a5-865e-e864715f3c2d.html

[chad]

i gues we know now why the government has been buying and hoarding insane amounts of ammo the last couple of years.

[Ares]

i gues we know now why the government has been buying and hoarding insane amounts of ammo the last couple of years.

Yep, there's always a reason for everything they do. We all thought it was to be used against us (It very may still happen) but it was to stock up on ammo because they know the only lead smelting factory in the country was closing its doors.

[Horn]

What's this do to all the domestic ammunition companies, as a multiplier effect,

Or were they already positioned in Mexico?

[Dogman]

https://maps.google.com/?ll=38.26164,-90.37448&z=16&t=h

[Horn]

https://maps.google.com/?ll=38.26164,-90.37448&z=16&t=h

So they will send raw lead ore thousands of miles across the world to be refined then send back

burning thousands of gallons of fossil fuel the entire way to make a bullet.

Thanks for the clean air EPA.

[milehi]

I'm still heading across the street to the range after I finish lunch but ill buy their reloads to shoot.

Edit. Living room distance.

[Horn]

@ the 1:02:30 mark


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXrQQXWbyQ

[Ares]

Good movie... Sadly it may have to come to that yet again in order for us to be free...

[Cebu_4_2]

So next year lead will surpass silver in price... Silver bullets to kill the evil fvcks sounds good to me.

[Horn]

So next year lead will surpass silver in price... Silver bullets to kill the evil fvcks sounds good to me.

Silver's an excellent choice, as it wouldn't make it thru much kevlar,

yet give us enough time to imprison them in their own FEMA camps.

Way better than Bitcoins in any case...

[Shami-Amourae]

i shot about 400 rounds on monday. maybe i shouldn't have done that. whatever.

Good firearms training is just as valuable as ammo.

[Dogman]

One option or feeling the pain?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9zQg5SEDx4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9zQg5SEDx4



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT-rTHJZmAU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT-rTHJZmAU

[Hitch]

I have a question for the forum, based upon this thread and a side business idea of mine... So, it seems physical lead may be in strong demand. If you could deliver a huge chunk of lead directly to an ammo manufacturer, could they cast bullets from it? Say, a 4000 pound block of lead? If you trucked it to them, what do you think they might pay for it?

[Dogman]

I have a question for the forum, based upon this thread and a side business idea of mine... So, it seems physical lead may be in strong demand. If you could deliver a huge chunk of lead directly to an ammo manufacturer, could they cast bullets from it? Say, a 4000 pound block of lead? If you trucked it to them, what do you think they might pay for it?

Most make bullets from lead wire and not cast.

[Hitch]

Most make bullets from lead wire and not cast.

OK, so how hard would it be to turn cast into lead wire?

[Dogman]

OK, so how hard would it be to turn cast into lead wire? Not sure if the makers cast their own wire or have third partys do it. Also it is important the purity/alloys that is in the lead they probably would not take out of spec lead. But it may be worth a try...

Who knows?

[Libertytree]

As there was no such thing as the 2cnd amendment at the time...the British didn't come and try and take away our guns, they went straight for the ammo.

[Horn]

As there was no such thing as the 2cnd amendment at the time...the British didn't come and try and take away our guns, they went straight for the ammo.

Someone should apply that same sentiment, and start a petition to reopen this smelter.

[iOWNme]

Learn how to cast your own projectiles. There are many vids on Youtube.....

Another cool thing about Shotgun shells: Load what you want! :)

[woodman]

So all those old lead-acid batteries I've been planning on taking to the scrap yard might be worth a little more soon.

[mick silver]

http://www.noisyroom.net/blog/102913.jpgbeen thinking the same thing for some time

[Cebu_4_2]

This has nothing to do with melting/smelting/anything about making bullets. It is about the company that turns dirt into lead being forced out of business. The usi just wont be able to do that anymore and will pay china to do that for them.

[woodman]

This has nothing to do with melting/smelting/anything about making bullets. It is about the company that turns dirt into lead being forced out of business. The usi just wont be able to do that anymore and will pay china to do that for them.

It takes care of a few issues for the Gov. And China will of course do it in the dirtiest, cheapest way. This will add way more pollutants to the atmoshpere than the process used in the US and we being downwind from China, will still get all the pollution they generate. This is some great government!

[Norweger]

Didn't commiefornia ban lead ammunition for hunting recently? The dumbshit norwegian corrupt government banned lead shotgun ammo a couple of years back and they want to ban all lead ammo by 2019 or thereabouts.

The anti-gunners are attacking from every angle imaginable.

[Horn]

Maybe it will advance the ammunition business into providing metal jacket high explosive rounds only. :)

[midnight rambler]

Lead is the new PM, and I assert it will far outperform Ag and Au...when in the most popular configurations.

Anyone having any luck finding quality* bulk .22 LR ammo?

*obviously I'm not referring to Remington since you can find Remington in bulk here and there

ETA: day-um, .22LR is commanding twice as much as AK ammo was a few short years ago - http://ammoseek.com/ammo/22lr

[chad]

Lead is the new PM, and I assert it will far outperform Ag and Au...when in the most popular configurations.

Anyone having any luck finding quality* bulk .22 LR ammo?

*obviously I'm not referring to Remington since you can find Remington in bulk here and there

lots of stores here have tons of cci 22, but it's all shorts. oh well, i'm buying it, works fine in my single shot and my revolvers.

[midnight rambler]

lots of stores here have tons of cci 22, but it's all shorts. oh well, i'm buying it, works fine in my single shot and my revolvers.

Where's all the fucking .22LR?? I checked several sources including ammoseek, midway, sgammo, sportsman's guide, etc. all out of stock - there's been plenty of time to catch up with demand

[midnight rambler]

Gram for gram .22LR ammo could potentially be more valuable than gold...

[chad]

Gram for gram .22LR ammo could potentially be more valuable than gold...

people are getting pissed, too. i was at walmart last weekend buying my allotment of .223 value packs, and there were 3 other random guys all bitching about .22LR. walmart gun guy was telling them they in 2 or 3 boxes a week, and that's it. it certainly is extremely weird that a year later you can't buy it anywhere.

[steyr_m]

Is there a Cdn or Mex lead smelter? If the EPA does this, the Cdn gov will be in lock-step and do the same...

Glad that I just bought a battery for my truck [and still have the core]

[Hitch]

Where's all the fucking .22LR?? I checked several sources including ammoseek, midway, sgammo, sportsman's guide, etc. all out of stock - there's been plenty of time to catch up with demand

I recently took a 1500 mile trip through Cali and Oregon, stopped at a lot of places, could not find any .22LR. The West Coast seems to be "out of stock" completely. I'm grateful for this forum for that, I've got plenty for now.

[Shami-Amourae]

Gram for gram .22LR ammo could potentially be more valuable than gold...

It was used for barter during the 1930s Great Depression.

[Shami-Amourae]

I recently took a 1500 mile trip through Cali and Oregon, stopped at a lot of places, could not find any .22LR. The West Coast seems to be "out of stock" completely. I'm grateful for this forum for that, I've got plenty for now.

Where are you buying it now?

I had a buying splurge of 22LR the week before Sandy Hook. Glad I listened to my instincts.

[Hitch]

Where are you buying it now?.

I'm not buying right now. I'm done buying ammo for a bit, I have what I feel like a comfortable amount thanks to all the advise on this forum. I will however, grab up more bricks of 22LR if I could find it. Which I have not been able to out here. Other calibers are available at high prices, but no 22LR. Glad I've got a decent amount now in hand.

[Hypertiger]

so sad...The USA is armed to the teeth.

anyone know how many gun barrel machines are in the USA hidden...because you can make all the rest of the parts of a rifle with a metal file and metal and effort (aka work)...and a rifle to work off of.

But the barrel...the rifling is the technically difficult part.

Or are you all like the people they show on the prepper show...enjoying the fantasy that I can not plink them like a gopher from a mile a way?

The tax men will show up to collect taxes...and you better have what they want...Or you will be air striked...and the mess bulldozed away and replaced with an obedient tax payer.

[midnight rambler]

Twisted Kitty must be bored today, so we get to endure all of it's 'wisdom'.

Something stinks to high heaven in here, go clean your litter box.

[Hypertiger]

when the system collapses...The gloves will fly off and the world will become a free fire zone.

There are not going to be war crimes trials or LAW and order like you see now.

The instant the chaos you call order now...turns into what you all call chaos.

Play time for the children of Bretton woods will end

[Hypertiger]

You endure what you think you are enduring...It looks like you are enduring the cherished delusion that you have a clue about anything real good.

you know teh biggest mistake teh USA made...when they went on line and the rest of the world could see the shit behind all the pretty pictures or lies you broadcast to the rest of the world depicting how wonderful you are.

You just went on line and connected to the world and showed them what a bunch of inconsiderate selfish back stabbing aholes you really are.

and almost 20 years latter...of flushing your good Hollywood special effects augmented reputation down the toilet....You still are clueless you slit your own necks and the necks of all the good Americans that are not bags of puss you hide behind.

like that wisdom?...call up some of your old dickhead buddies and see if any of them have the power to ask president Obama to please send a drone to splatter my family to protect your cherished delusions from being shattered.

flip out and kill yourself.

[midnight rambler]

You endure what you think you are enduring...and it looks like you are enduring the cherished delusion that you have a clue about anything real good.

And of course you suffer your cherished delusion that you have any 'wisdom' to impart to all us hairless monkeys, you faux intellectual. lol If you have such utter contempt for us, what's your point in posting here?? To see your spew on your monitor screen on the interwebs? Or simply to annoy the 'hairless monkeys' for your own amusement? (that's probably it)

[Hypertiger]

You are a dickless monkey.

I did not say anything about hair...

freedom of speech.

Oh now you are going to turn into a victim and cry out for other American air heads to come to the resuce of the former bully.

flip out and kill yourself.

two kids with pressure cooker bombs...turned Boston into a kicked ant hill of cowards in body armor running around like fools looking tough.

Those two were complete and utter jokes.

Two jokes can cause the baby seals to shit their pants with fear and shelter in place.

[chad]

i like to go the gun range or my front yard and shoot targets. thanks for the hyperbole, though.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-Sn-cwkVf0

[midnight rambler]

I didn't watch that video, however I see the wheel weights. Be advised that lead wheel weights have not been used for years now, the wheel weights being used now are strictly steel, NO lead!

[Cebu_4_2]

Be advised that lead wheel weights have not been used for years now, the wheel weights being used now are strictly steel, NO lead!

Not in this side of the country, all use pounded or stick on lead weights. Just bought a pack to balance weights recently and was of no issue.

[Half Sense]

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