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Dogman
1st November 2013, 07:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDAcdRXu27I


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDAcdRXu27I

'Smart Rifle' shows off long-range accuracy, but raises questions of safety, sport


Video at link.

by MARIE SAAVEDRA
Posted on October 31, 2013 at 11:34 PM
Updated today at 7:44 AM


MINGUS, Texas -- Billed as the first in the world, a Texas-based company has created a 'smart rifle' that allows even novices to hit targets nearly 1,000 feet away.
Manufactured by Texas company TrackingPoint (https://tracking-point.com/), it makes promises unlike any other firearm in the market

-- ones News 8 had to see to believe.

On a hill near the West Texas town of Mingus, we met Gary Smith, a sales director at TrackingPoint. He's part of the Austin-based start up whose founder, a hunter, dreamed of making aiming easier when it comes to long-range shooting.

“This is very revolutionary,” Smith said. “The system we have today is the result of about three-and-a-half years of product development and about $40 million.”

The first 500 rifles went on sale this January, featuring the Smart Rifle's brains in a high-tech scope. Rotation of the earth, spin drift, temperature, humidity, barometric pressure, uphill or downhill angles, and moving targets up to 10 miles per hour –– almost every variable is calculated by computer.

“The only thing the shooter has to do is make a wind call,” Smith said. “It can hit a target out to 1,200 yards.”

From there, the info is displayed on an iPad through WiFi. The rifle comes with both. Using a fighter jet's target-locking system, the shooter sets his r tag, match up the crosshairs and fire.

Experienced marksmen can forget the math. For amateurs, the learning curve just got shorter.

“This system really allows a shooter who doesn't have a tremendous amount of time in their schedule to get out and be proficient right away at shooting at long distances,” Smith said.

News 8’s Marie Saavedra had never fired, much less held, a firearm before filing this story. So to put the Smart Rifle’s accuracy claims to the test, she took a turn. Within the system, she hit all three targets on the first shot, at 250, 575, and 850-yards away.

For some, the fact that novices can turn into solid shots in seconds is a big problem. They call it a threat to safety.

“There’s no real words to describe how insane this is!” said Elliot Fineman with the National Gun Victims Action Council.

He calls the weapon a disaster waiting to happen.

“There's no defense against this. If I can hit a target from 10 football fields away, no one's going to catch me, and there's nothing you can do to defend yourself against it,” he said.

TrackingPoint's response is that any tool can be dangerous in the wrong hands and, as a luxury brand, there are hurdles beyond background checks.

“I would venture to guess that someone who's going to use it for something they shouldn't, they’re not going to select a gun of this size and weight and cost,” Smith said.

That cost starts, for the base model, at $22,500.

Still, those aren't the Smart Rifle's only critics. There is push back from hunters themselves, including Cody Chamberlin, a firearms instructor in Fort Worth.

“It's a purist thing,” Chamberlin said. “If you just go out and use electronic devices, you're not actually doing the real thing. You're cheating. That's my opinion on it.”

But there are hundreds who disagree with him, the majority being in Texas, where TrackingPoint has made most of its Smart Rifle sales. The company has sold so many that it's backlogged.

“Depending on which model you order, you're probably looking at January delivery,” Smith said.

That's not too long, especially if you have the money, but not the time.

“I think this is the future of firearms,” Smith said.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/business/Smart-Rifle-shows-off-long-range-accuracy-but-raises-questions-of-safety-sport-230153991.html

This is ether very good or very bad.. In some ways this tech worry's/scares the hell out of me.

zap
1st November 2013, 08:29 AM
Bumping for later

Horn
1st November 2013, 09:00 AM
That cost starts, for the base model, at $22,500.


Stupid price.

VX1
1st November 2013, 09:35 AM
Stupid price.

Maybe not, when they know that money is absolutely no object to the government.

I had one of those Burris Eliminator computer scopes on a .308, and sold it off after figuring all the computer/range finding complexity would just be a hindrance in the stressful situation of a firefight.

Dogman
1st November 2013, 09:53 AM
Maybe not, when they know that money is absolutely no object to the government.

I had one of those Burris Eliminator computer scopes on a .308, and sold it off after figuring all the computer/range finding complexity would just be a hindrance in the stressful situation of a firefight.

One thing that bothers me is this tech cuts "chance" (not sure right word) down to next to nothing. It removes skills that normal shooters sometimes take years to achieve to make one shot kills/hits at long range, and not everyone can achieve that degree of skill.

With this tech, you can take a dummy/idiot off the street and give them this or any rifle that uses this tech and they will be deadly at range. If they see it, they can hit it and that takes a bunch of the chance to survive if you are on the wrong side of these sights next to zip.

If the military adopt this, which we know they will eventually, then the whole game will change and not in a good direction if you are their targets. Everyone with this tech could becomes a super sniper.

And that could be a good thing or a very bad thing...

IMHO

Horn
1st November 2013, 10:04 AM
Most valuable targets are moving, you need a smart bullet to hit those.

It won't make second shots any easier for defensive snipers.

Dogman
1st November 2013, 10:07 AM
Most valuable targets are moving, you need a smart bullet to hit those.

It won't make second shots any easier for defensive snipers. That dam rifle takes into account that the target is moving, the sights have tracking ability.

https://tracking-point.com/innovations/hardware/tag-button



(https://tracking-point.com/innovations/hardware/tag-button)https://tracking-point.com/innovations/hardware

Dogman
1st November 2013, 10:26 AM
Here is another view from a gun "hater"

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/06/05/trackingpoint_smart_rifle_everything_that_s_horrib le_about_american_gun.html

The TrackingPoint “Smart Rifle” Exemplifies Everything That’s Horrible About American Gun Culture

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So you’ve got the urge to send some rounds downrange, but you can’t shoot and don’t want to take the time to learn? Well, have I got the weapon for you! Meet the brand-new TrackingPoint weapons system, a so-called smart rifle that uses advanced sensing and imaging technology to turn any wealthy dilettante into an expert sharpshooter. Here’s NPR’s Mark Dewey (http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/05/15/184223110/new-rifle-on-sale):

The rifle's scope features a sophisticated color graphics display. The shooter locks a laser on the target by pushing a small button by the trigger. It's like a video game. But here's where it's different: You pull the trigger but the gun decides when to shoot. It fires only when the weapon has been pointed in exactly the right place, taking into account dozens of variables, including wind, shake and distance to the target.

The rifle also incorporates technology that lets you record every shot and post that recording to YouTube or Facebook. It’s not clear whether the rifle also captions the recording for you, but, if not, here’s one you can use: “I used a real-life cheat code to make this tremendously difficult shot! Please shower me with your scorn, because I deserve it.”

I have nothing but disdain for the TrackingPoint, which exemplifies everything I hate about a gun culture that is quick to put firearms in the hands of people who neither respect nor know how to use them, and that treats proficiency as a product to be purchased instead of a skill to be earned. Granted, the purchase price for the TrackingPoint is really, really high—its manufacturer sells TrackingPoint systems to civilians starting at $22,500—which means the only people who buy this thing will be wealthy enthusiasts. (The TrackingPoint website (http://tracking-point.com/apply-now) invites shooters to “Apply Now” to buy one.) But it’ll get cheaper over time; NPR reports that Remington is already interested in incorporating the technology into rifles that will retail for about $5,000.

While the TrackingPoint technology has definite military applications, I can’t think of any real civilian use for it. In a sense, the TrackingPoint is just a really advanced scope. But even the best scope doesn’t fire the gun for you. Any self-respecting hunter ought to be disgusted by something that promises to turn every hunt into a canned hunt. Despite the manufacturer’s claims, TrackingPoint really isn’t suited for target shooting—where’s the fun in shooting at a target that you know you’re going to hit? It’s overkill for self-defense; the only way you would feel like you were in imminent danger from someone standing 500 yards away is if that person also had a TrackingPoint. Who would actually use this weapons system?

Aspiring snipers, maybe? People with bad intentions who borrow or steal the rifle from its actual owner? Not to worry, says the manufacturer: TrackingPoint owners can guard against misuse by password-protecting the scope, which eases my mind, because we all know how diligent gun owners are about properly securing their weapons (http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/06/04/kao_xiong_accidental_child_shooting_death_a_four_y ear_boy_killed_his_two.html)! The company also says it will thoroughly vet every buyer, although that somehow doesn’t bring me much comfort either.

I’d wager that the TrackingPoint doesn’t work half as well as the manufacturer claims. Early versions of technologies are always buggy. But a half-good automated long-range rifle is still more of a long-range rifle than any civilian needs. This thing is legal now, but let’s hope it isn’t for long.

*Correction, June 13, 2013: This post originally misidentified the reporter who wrote the NPR story on the TrackingPoint. He is Mark Dewey, not Matthew Dewey. The relevant sentence has been corrected.


Justin Peters (justintrevett@fastmail.fm) is Slate’s crime correspondent.

Horn
1st November 2013, 10:40 AM
That dam rifle takes into account that the target is moving, the sights have tracking ability.

https://tracking-point.com/innovations/hardware/tag-button

Not a game changer technology, is just a crutch.

Paint then shoot instead of just shoot, is the crutch.

Deer I think, have a hard time knowing when they're truly undercover :)