a personal testimonial from Me

[Large Sarge]

I ended up trying/buying MMS earlier this year (like Jan or so)

when I bought it, I had 1 package sent to my folks, their dog was dying...

well,

the MMS saved their dogs life, 1 drop and the dog went from catatonic/near death, to jumping around, tail wagging, ready for a walk, etc (no exaggeration here)

my father was just flummoxed, he kept mumbling "1 drop did this...."

anyway, this stuff will literally put the pharmaceutical industry out of business.... (seriously)

it is antibacterial, anti-viral, anti-fungal, it chelates metals/toxins, it is nontoxic, and it costs pennies a day (serious), plus it appears to stimulate mitochondrial function (very very important),

I have saved 3 dogs now with that (both my parents dogs, and another)

all for different illnesses

it cures autism, cancer, etc

it literally cures about everything on the planet

you will feel amazing on this stuff,

recommend everyone here own some, you can get a kit (2 bottles), for like $20 or so...

it will last you a year

(pennies a day)

give it a try folks, you will not be disappointed.... amazing stuff

read some testimonials

http://genesis2church.org/mms-testimonials.html

[mamboni]

You've got my interest in a big way. Can you tell us more about the product? How it work? Ingredients? Where to buy?

[Large Sarge]

You've got my interest in a big way. Can you tell us more about the product? How it work? Ingredients? Where to buy?

ok,

it is a super strong oxidizer

it kills like 6 pathogens for each molecule

when you order, you will receive 2 bottles....

1 is acetic acid (vinegar), that is the activator

the other is "water purification" (MMS)

http://mmswiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

here is where I order mine from

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MMS-Pure-Water-Solution-with-28-Authentic-and-50-Citric-Acid-Kit-4oz-/320995905668?


they are curing malaria with this stuff,

autism, cancer, etc

it cures everything, seriously

as stated, it is a super strong oxidizer, kills all the nasties.... then it chelates out the bad stuff.... then it stimulates mitochondrial function

it does everything

my fingernails/hair grow like weeds, so it must help with protein synthesis as well...

my parents, the first sick dog (lymphoma), she gets MMS a few times a day (when she started treatment), well, she went from 70 lbs to 80 lbs, its all muscle, she looks half her age now (serious), she is 10 and 1/2 years old, she should be dead, serious

the vet was coming in feb to collect the body, and put her down,

its amazing stuff

[Dogman]

https://www.google.com/#q=master+mineral+solution

[7th trump]

You've got my interest in a big way. Can you tell us more about the product? How it work? Ingredients? Where to buy?

List of sites in America to buy.

United States / USA

Reiki Ranch Store ( WP supplier )
Website: mms.reikiranch.net
Email: taylorevance@gmail.com
Products: DMSO, WPS1


WPS4sale.com ( WP supplier )
Phone: 480-499-0545
Website: https://wps4sale.com/
Email: wps4sale@cox.net
Products: CDS, Citric acid, Plastic bottles, Glass bottles, DMSO, Calcium bentonite clay, Diatomaceous earth, Sodium chlorite flakes, Syringes, Hydrochloric acid 4%, Seawater, CDS Generation kit, Hydrochloric acid 10%, Capsules, Test strips Cl02, WPS1, WPS2


Discover MMS ( WP supplier )
Website: discovermms.com
Email: service@discovermms.com
Products: Citric acid, Plastic bottles, DMSO, Diatomaceous earth, Sodium chlorite flakes, Hydrochloric acid 4%, Capsules, WPS1, WPS2


H20 AIR WATER AMERICAS ( WP supplier )
Phone: 816-682-6425
Website: h2oairwateramericas.com
Email: customerservice@h2oairwateramericas.com
Products: Citric acid, Plastic bottles, WPS1


Exclusive Wellness Club ( WP supplier )
Phone: 305-791-2072
Website: exclusivewellnessclub.com
Email: info@exclusivewellnessclub.comsclub.com/
Products: CDS, Citric acid, Plastic bottles, Glass bottles, DMSO, Capsules, Dropper, WPS1, WPS2


The Health Ranch ( WP supplier )
Phone: 888-445-4774
Website: thehealthranch.com
Email: support@TheHealthRanch.com
Products: Citric acid, Plastic bottles, WPS1


MMS For Health ( WP supplier )
Phone: 1-888-909-4828
Website: mmsforhealth.com
Email: mmsforhealth@gmail.com
Products: CDS, Citric acid, Plastic bottles, Glass bottles, DMSO, Calcium bentonite clay, Diatomaceous earth, Syringes, Moringa oleifera, Capsules, Dropper, WPS1, WPS2


MMS DEPOT CO ( WP supplier )
Website: mmsdepot.com
Email: info@mmsdepot.com
Products: CDS, Citric acid, Calcium bentonite clay, Sodium chlorite flakes, WPS1, WPS2


MINERAL SOLUTIONS US ( WP supplier )
Website: mineral-solutions.net
Email: support@Mineral-Solutions.net
Products: WPS1, WPS2


Clean Plus ( WP supplier )
Website: www.cleanplusonline.com
Email: sale@cleanplusonline.com
Products: CDS, Citric acid, Plastic bottles, Glass bottles, DMSO, Calcium bentonite clay, Diatomaceous earth, Syringes, Moringa oleifera, CDS Generation kit, Capsules, Dropper, WPS1, WPS2


Rejuvenate with MMS ( WP supplier )
Website: rejuvenatewithmms.com
Email: spiritualleverage@gmail.com
Products: Citric acid, Glass bottles, DMSO, Diatomaceous earth, Sodium chlorite flakes, Syringes, WPS1, WPS2


MMS1.biz ( WP supplier )
Website: mms1.biz
Products: Citric acid, DMSO, WPS1, WPS2


KEAVY'S CORNER ( WP supplier )
Phone: 1 863.658.0235
Website: keavyscorner.com
Email: sales@keavyscorner.com
Products: Plastic bottles, DMSO, Moringa oleifera, WPS1, WPS2


MMS Mexico ( WP supplier )
Phone: 775 624 85 23
Website: mmsmexico.com.mx
Email: info@mmsmexico.com.mx
Products: DMSO, Calcium bentonite clay, Diatomaceous earth, Moringa oleifera, WPS1, WPS2

[Large Sarge]

you start with 1 drop of MMS and 2 drops of activator, add in bottom of glass, wait for 3 minutes (you will smell chlorine gas)

then add a fruit juice (no vitamin c added to the juice), I use fresh apple juice... (simply apple from publix)

no coffee or vitamin c 1+ hours before or after taking MMS (coffee and vitamin c are anti-oxidants, diminish the effect)


simply amazing stuff,

[7th trump]

This looks like something needed in your medical preps.

Havent liked doctors since the 1970's when doctors stopped treating the cause. Atleast in my small home town of 400 people the doctor was actually an old guy who practiced out of his home. He always had patients parked out in front of his house.
I remember the guy asking my mom what kind of diet we ate. And now I know why he asked.

[Large Sarge]

just do it everyday, like 6 drops, maintenance dose, you will not get sick, tons more energy, etc

when you first start, you might think of doing it a "blitz" (taking it every couple hours, for 2 to 3 weeks)

this will clean you out completely, even parasites, again the cost is minimal

[iOWNme]

You've got my interest in a big way. Can you tell us more about the product? How it work? Ingredients? Where to buy?

A lot of info here:

http://mmswiki.org/index.php?title=Basic_Science_of_MMS

[Large Sarge]

I (MMS), and some nutritional knowledge, cured a guy with fibromyalgia, he was disabled, and I am helping a mom with 2 autistic kids....


again this is mainly MMS

but it does work...

[Spectrism]

I read the title... your personal testimony.... and I expected a bare hyperlink.

I heard about MMS long ago and have not tried it. I think you got me interested enough to give it a shot.... not.... see below.

[chad]

waiting to hear the good doctor's opinion...

[Spectrism]

Scientifically, if you consider it is "like" bleach, I would expect it to be unstable and reactive with any organic matter. This would make it an assassin-molecule killing anything it encounters. That it would survive as an active assassin long enough to kill the bad stuff seems unlikely.

However.... when people report great results, presumptions must be thrown out the window. There could be more than we, in our brilliant and all-knowing advanced state, could grasp by reasoning with our existing tools.

====================

see my next post below..... same concerns I have about this "treatment". I have to be suspicious of anectdotal reports.

[Cebu_4_2]

I have the 2 bottle kit in a box somewhere. Need to read up on this again.

[Ponce]

OK my order in in and I should get it by Friday or Saturday :)

V

[osoab]

Tag.

& thanks Sarge

[Libertytree]

I gotta try this stuff! I have a bad recurring carbuncle or something akin to it and so far nothing has worked, at least not for long. I've tried antibiotics, miracle honey, baths, etc.. It'd be quite the blessing if this works as well as is being reported.

[Spectrism]

I think y'all need to read this first-

http://owndoc.com/candida-albicans/miracle-mineral-solution-scam/

No miracle, no mineral, no solution (Jim Humble’s MMS scam)

I never knew what MMS really was. I had read it stood for “Miracle Mineral Supplement” or “Miracle Mineral Solution”, so I suspected it to be a mineral supplement containing Magnesium and Phosphorus or something. I do not frequent alternative health forums and never visit sales sites for “miracle” products – they are a dime a dozen and it’s impossible to keep up with the latest scam – so I had no idea what MMS was, until yesterday.

It turns out that MMS, instead of curing cancer, causes cancer!MMS is Sodium chlorite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_chlorite), a common form of household bleach, a toxic industrial disinfectant, a powerful oxidant (= free radical) that causes cancer when ingested in small quantities and massive organ damage or death when taken in significant quantities.

There also is a “MMS2″, containing another form of bleach, used to scrub swimming pools’ walls for disinfection (it’s not added to the actual water because it would make people sick).I thought: “How come people haven’t been dropping dead from that stuff in droves – it’s so heavily promoted that it must be killing off gullible folks left, right and center?”The answer is simple: One bottle contains only 4 fl. oz. (118 ml), of which 22.4% is Sodium Chlorite (better known as household bleach (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/sep/15/miracle-mineral-solutions-mms-bleach)):You’d have to drink a couple of those small bottles to be lethally poisoned, so I guess that is rare, since the instructions say not to take more than 15 drops per day.


Not that we should pay much attention to the treacherous FDA but just to show that it’s not just me who says MMS is poison: The FDA said this about Miracle Mineral Supplement (http://www.fda.gov/Safety/MedWatch/SafetyInformation/SafetyAlertsforHumanMedicalProducts/ucm220756.htm):“The product, when used as directed, produces an industrial bleach that can cause serious harm to health. The product instructs consumers to mix the 28 percent sodium chlorite solution with an acid such as citrus juice. This mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a potent bleach used for stripping textiles and industrial water treatment. High oral doses of this bleach, such as those recommended in the labeling, can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and symptoms of severe dehydration.”Even the FDA sometimes says the right thing, like a broken clock showing the correct time twice a day.

Canada banned the sale of MMS because a Canadian who took it nearly died (http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/advisories-avis/_2010/2010_74-eng.php). Other countries banned its sale as well. By itself no proof of a bad product, as Stevia is illegal nearly everywhere as well, as a sweetener.25 mg of Sodium chlorite per bottle. That would make the bottle and its packaging an order of magnitude more expensive than the cost of the bleach it contains.When I see products heavily advertised using terms like “miracle”, I always look at their profit margin. When it is above a thousand percent, alarm bells go off and I investigate. I did that with the $4 dermarollers sold for $80 (2,000% profit) and I am now doing it with a tiny bottle with 20 cents of bleach sold for $20 as “Miracle Mineral Solution” or “Miracle Mineral Supplement” (MMS). 10,000% profit –
you’d truly expect a miracle.
http://www.owndoc.com/uploads/jim-humble.jpg (http://www.owndoc.com/uploads/jim-humble.jpg)

Let’s not dwell too long on the man behind MMS, “Bishop” James V. Humble. He usually appears with a gemstone on his forehead nowadays, to appeal to magical thinkers. He bought his Bishop title from a religious title mill “Church” of which both the founder and his successor were criminally investigated for child rape (http://www.esowatch.com/en/index.php?title=Jim_Humble). He needed that title so that it was easier for him to start a tax-exempt “Church”.

Instead of attacking the vendor, we should judge his claims on their merit: James Humble claims that MMS cures all disease known to mankind including Malaria, Diabetes, Influenza, Crohn’s disease, Herpes, Arteriosclerosis, Tuberculosis, CFS, Hepatitis A, B and C, Cancer and of course AIDS. Everything except dying of old age. MMS enlarges breasts too! “A teenage girl, overweight with depression and failure to develop breasts, was given MMS. The next day her breasts started to grow (http://www.health-science-spirit.com/MMS.html).” Yes people, MMS truly works wonders. If not for your health or breast size, then certainly for Mr. Humble’s finances.

Bishop Humble the Bleach Healer. Funny how he had a massive spinal tumor removed in early 2009. MMS clearly didn’t work for him.A cure for all ills, where have we heard that before? Every couple of years someone becomes wealthy with a miracle cure. It seems none of these miracle cures work, because millions of people keep buying one after the other and they still feel the need to email me and tell me they tried all those magical potions – fruitlessly. People should first get educated on what could be the cause of their health problem, instead of wasting money on “miracle solutions”.

I have not been able to find any references to studies done with MMS that suggest that even one sick person has been cured, neither did I find any evidence based in science that would suggest that MMS could kill pathogens in the body, as opposed to on surfaces. The ravingly positive testimonials are fake, published by spammers, MMS resellers and affiliates.

In fact there is ample evidence that MMS (bleach) taken orally causes, not cures, cancer. MMS contains hundreds of times more bleach than allowed in drinking water and that rule is for a good reason: Bleach is a powerful oxidant and free radical, and the reason people are advised to eat antioxidants is because they neutralize oxidants. Why do oxidants need to be neutralized? Because they cause cellular damage. Cellular damage leads at best to premature aging and at worst to cancer. Oxidants ravage RNA, leading to cell apoptosis, tissue necrosis and, if the immune system has a bad day – cancer. More about how MMS causes cancer here (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/213275-MMS-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-or-Trojan-Horse-Your-Body-and-DNA-Decide).

Mr. Humble the magical potion millionaire says that MMS “kills all bacteria, pathogens, viruses, cancer cells” and whatnot, but – another great miracle – the gut flora is left in peace! Mr. Humble abuses microbiological terms like “aerobic” and “anaerobic” to make you believe that that’s actually possible. As far ar Mr. Humble is concerned, the invention of Penicillin was a waste of time. A few drops of bleach in your lemonade cures Tuberculosis, Cancer and AIDS and enlarges your boobies too.From http://www.health-science-spirit.com/MMS.html“Jim Humble, a chemist and metallurgist accidentally discovered the MMS by using a whole bottle of Stabilized Electrolytes of Oxygen (S.E.O.) to immediately cure a companion of malaria during a jungle expedition. S.E.O. contains about 3 % sodium chlorite. Humble gradually realized that S.E.O. is too weak”.Let’s ignore the fact that Jim Humble is no chemist, but focus on the claim: Malaria was instantly cured by drinking a 3% bleach solution, but 3% was too weak. It was in fact extremely much too weak, since Jim increased the concentration in his Miracle Mineral Supplement roughly tenfold. Then how come Malaria was instantly cured?

That page contains so much baloney and downright ridiculous gobbledegook that I could debunk every sentence as hilarious nonsense but it would take an article ten times this size. Just as one crazy man can ask more questions than ten wise men can answer, it takes quite some scientific reasoning, backed up by references, to refute the baloney in those claims. Such as the claim that Lyme disease is caused by a virus, instead of the bacterium Borrelia burgdorferi (s.l.) And that bleach can’t damage body cells. The abject advice is given to rinse out burns with the MMS bleach, causing of course even deeper tissue damage, increasing the risk of permanent scars. There are countless web pages devoted to the crapolic MMS cult. Literally every sentence is nothing but lies, disinformation, pseudoscience and psychological manipulation.


Mr. Humble bought his Bishop title from a religious title mill. Hoping to get rich quick, he started as a gold prospector in Africa, but he found a richer goldmine in sick people’s gullibility and he now is a billionaire. He says he has more than 5 million customers (http://www.miraclemineral.org/). Say that each customer buys on average 5 bottles during their lifetime, that’s 5,000,000 x 5 x $20 = five hundred million dollars. Tax-free, since “Bishop” Jim Humble owns the “Genesis II Church of Health and Healing”. Yup, if you don’t want to pay taxes, do as Ron Hubbard of Scientology did: Start your own cult. James Humble made at least twice that amount and is a billionaire because it’s not just bleach he sells. Books, DVD’s, ebooks, courses, seminars, consultations, the lot. On top of that, he sells pastor titles. His pastors give away MMS on street corners, but they “solicit donations” in return that go to a numbered offshore account belonging to Mr. Humble. For his “legal defense fund”. Sick but rich individuals are asked up to donate up to one million dollars (http://www.badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17733) to the “Church” as a sign of gratefulness for their “cure”.Because various countries would like to arrest Mr. Humble for causing the deaths of their citizens, he exiled himself to the Dominican Republic, a country without extradition treaties. Imagine the splendor of his mansions and the beauty of his mistresses. The man is more liquid than Bill Gates. The best Cuban cigars are but a short yacht trip away. Mr. Humble can afford the world’s best lawyers, wealth managers, tax attorneys, search engine optimization experts, web designers and forum spammers. He employs his own private army of affiliates – ready to rip their enemies – anyone with a brain – to shreds. I think I should also launch a “miracle supplement”.. Caustic soda, anyone? (Kills all pathogens stone dead, leaves the body alone because “its got electrolytes! (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/)“)

Why MMS does not kill pathogens in the body, but the body itself
On the MMS disinfo pages it is claimed:“When a chlorine dioxide ion contacts a harmful pathogen, it instantly rips up to five electrons from the pathogen, in what can be likened to a microscopic explosion… harmless to us, but terminal for pathogens.”The big lie here is the “harmless to us” Because this also happens with the first human cell the bleach ion encounters. Since the chance that those ions touch a body cell before they touch a pathogen is almost infinitely high, in reality, when you drink bleach, all it does is cause cell damage to your own body, leaving virtually no bleach left to kill any pathogens. So it’s a double lie. All damage is done to your own body, and none to any pathogens – except perhaps some in your throat. Bleach indeed kills pathogens – but the catch is that bleach absolutely can’t distinguish between your cells and bacterial/viral/fungal/parasitical cells. It kills the first cell it stumbles upon. It denatures the first protein it sees, cuts through DNA like a hot knife through butter. The problem is that the average person just doesn’t grasp this simple scientific principle. When confronted with the incessant barrage of lies coming out of James Humble’s multi-level marketing machine, it’s all too easy for a little seed of hope to grow and from there it’s a small step to pulling out a credit card.“Bishop” James Humble is a criminal, plain and simple. Megalomaniac liar as he is, he claims to have saved the lives of 100,000 people. I say on the contrary: He undoubdedly has contributed to the death of many sick people who could otherwise be saved. By promising them that MMS cures all disease, he encourages patients to cease unpleasant, but life-saving treatments in favor of his bleach. With his admitted 5 million customers, if just one in a hundred suffered from cancer and only one in a thousand of those decided against that extra treatment that could save their lives, then we have over four dozen poor sods who died because they believed that quack’s lies. Such cynical, yes psychopatic liars must be cut out of society. The damage they do is too great. It’s not the billion dollars stolen from the weakest in our midst. It’s not the spreading of magical belief systems-for-profit on an industrial scale. It’s the globally spread hope and faith in a poison that makes the sick sicker and bereaves children prematurely of their ailing parents and grandparents – not to mention those deluded individuals who administer this vile broth to their toddlers in the hope they’ll stop crying – because that happens too. MMS is good for you and totally harmless, right? And when it’s harmless and good for you, the more the better, right?Several countries have already put out arrest warrants (http://hubpages.com/hub/Jim-Humble-Is-Going-To-Jail) for this thug.“Jim Humble is wanted in Malawi Africa and other African countries surrounding it, and has at least two arrest warrants out for him, regarding the poisoning and death of several people who have died due to taking this procedure and giving them false information. On his websites he is careful not to say it cures just helps conditions, but in Africa he says it does cure all, the problem is he has been saying it cures everything from aids to hep and more, these peoples immune systems are already compromised so if they take this in heavy doses they become very ill or die!”From that same page:
“I’m a chemist, and I can tell you for a fact that chlorine dioxide will attack anything that it can grab electrons from. That includes healthy cells in the body, such as the stomach and gut lining. That causes irritation which results in nausea, vomiting and diarrhea as the body desperately tries to rid itself of the poison you have ingested. Chlorine dioxide cannot tell a toxin or a bacterium from a healthy human cell, it will happily damage any of them. If you took enough MMS to get blood concentrations of chlorine dioxide high enough to kill a single pathogen, you would probably die, though that would take about 400 ml or a couple of bottles full. Antibiotics are far more potent at killing bacteria than MMS, and far less toxic. Dicloxacillin, for example, is 100 times more potent at killing bacteria than MMS, and 20 times less toxic.”Noone knows exactly what this man is up to. He say he’s working with prison authorities in African countries to do experiments on prisoners, to give but one example.MMS affiliates and magical thinkers alike will be saying: “Bishop Humble is the victim of a Big Pharma/FDA witchhunt, they want to neutralize him because he found the cure for all disease!” Sure. When I start selling caustic soda as the cure to all ills, I’ll also eventually be “witch-hunted”. The real witch hunting is done on MMS forums. Anyone who speaks against MMS is immediately banned, like Rhys Morgan, a boy with Crohns disease who explained why he thinks MMS can’t cure disease – on the contrary. (http://www.twitvid.com/Z7TOH)MMS doesn’t work, period. It can’t work, because it would have to violate a few laws of nature to do so. Ions would have to have brains and legs to direct them to pathogens, instead of random body cells. Of course you can believe in miracles and believe “Bishop Humble” on his honest-to-God word, since this do-gooder, in his own words, descends from a line of priests all the way to Jesus. Some people buy into Humble’s snake oil and innocent people are the victim of that.MMS bleach is being given to autistic babies orally and as enemas by Kerri Rivera, with the dose increased until they get very sick – this woman should stop causing harm to small children:
Video streaming by Ustream (http://www.ustream.tv/)

[Large Sarge]

I suggest you try it,

what "sold me" to try it initially was all the testimonials....

from all over the web, and 95%+ of all testimonials were not selling it, (they had no financial interest in selling it)


I am telling you, this stuff will put the FDA & Big Pharma out of business....

it is a miracle,

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

So....it's basically bleach?

[Large Sarge]

andreas kalcker presents info on MMS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTVPaMtwT4

[Large Sarge]

So....it's basically bleach?

its not bleach.....

its closer to table salt,

"sodium chlorite" (MMS)

"sodium chloride" (table salt)

[Large Sarge]

for all the non-believers, read the testimonials....

and from my own experience, there are 3 dogs, happy, healthy, and running around.....

they would all be dead, otherwise

[Ponce]

By the way Sarge......thank for posting more than just the heading......miracles do happen hahahahahahahah.......I can only guess that you had your coffee this morning.

V

[Spectrism]

andreas kalcker presents info on MMS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTVPaMtwT4


Watching this now. Makes some good sense and he admits to the fallacies of Humble's early explanations.

I also looked this up....

Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is a chemical compound used in the manufacturing of paper (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Paper).

The main application of sodium chlorite is the generation of chlorine dioxide (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide) for bleaching and stripping of textiles, pulp, and paper. It is also used for disinfection of a few municipal water treatment plants after conversion to chlorine dioxide.[1] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-epa1999-1):2 An advantage in this application, as compared to the more commonly used chlorine, is that trihalomethanes (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Trihalomethane) (such as chloroform (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Chloroform)) are not produced from organic contaminants.[1] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-epa1999-1):25,33 Chlorine dioxide generated from sodium chlorite is approved by FDA under some conditions for disinfecting water used to wash fruits, vegetables, and poultry.[2] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-2)
Sodium chlorite, NaClO2, sometimes in combination with zinc chloride (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Zinc_chloride), also finds application as a component in therapeutic rinses, mouthwashes,[3] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-3)[4] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-4) toothpastes and gels, mouth sprays,[5] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-5) as preservative in eye drops,[6] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-6) and in contact lens cleaning solution under the trade name Purite.
Under the brand name Oxine it is used for sanitizing air ducts and HVAC/R systems and animal containment areas (walls, floors, and other surfaces).
Neuraltus Pharmaceuticals is investigating a drug that they refer to as NP001 for treatment of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Amyotrophic_lateral_sclerosis).[7] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-7) Some people with ALS have concluded that NP001 is a formulation of sodium chlorite, and are ordering the chemical and self-dosing outside of any scientific study. Preliminary results suggest that this sodium chlorite treatment is less effective than NP001.[8] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-8)[9] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-9)
Chemical reagent[edit (http://gold-silver.us/w/index.php?title=Sodium_chlorite&action=edit&section=2)]

In organic synthesis (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Organic_synthesis), sodium chlorite is frequently used as a reagent in the Pinnick oxidation (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Pinnick_oxidation) for the oxidation of aldehydes (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Aldehyde) to carboxylic acids (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Carboxylic_acid). The reaction is usually performed in monosodium phosphate (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Monosodium_phosphate) buffered solution in the presence of a chlorine scavenger (usually 2-methyl-2-butene (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Pentene)).[10] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-10)
Recently, sodium chlorite has been used as an oxidizing agent to convert alkyl furans to the corresponding 4-oxo-2-alkenoic acids in a simple one pot synthesis.[11] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-11)
Acidified sodium chlorite[edit (http://gold-silver.us/w/index.php?title=Sodium_chlorite&action=edit&section=3)]

Mixing sodium chlorite solution with a weak food-grade acid solution (commonly citric acid), both stable, produces short-lived acidified sodium chlorite (ASC) which has potent decontaminating properties. Upon mixing the main active ingredient, chlorous acid (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Chlorous_acid) is produced in equilibrium with chlorite anion. The proportion varies with pH, temperature, and other factors, ranging from approximately 5–35% chlorous acid with 65–95% chlorite; more acidic solutions result in a higher proportion of chlorous acid. Chlorous acid breaks down to chlorine dioxide which in turn breaks down to chlorite anion and ultimately chloride anion. ASC is used for sanitation the hard surfaces which come in contact with food and as a wash or rinse for a variety of foods including red meat, poultry, seafood, fruits and vegetables. Because the oxo-chlorine compounds are unstable when properly prepared, there should be no measurable residue on food if treated appropriately.[12] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-12)[13] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-13) ASC also is used as a teat dip for control of mastitis in dairy cattle (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Mastitis_in_dairy_cattle).[14] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-14)


Sodium chlorite, like many oxidizing agents (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Oxidizing_agent), should be protected from inadvertent contamination by organic materials to avoid the formation of an explosive mixture. The chemical explodes on percussive impact,[15] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-15) and will ignite if combined with a strong reducing agent (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Reducing_agent).

[chad]

for all the non-believers, read the testimonials....

and from my own experience, there are 3 dogs, happy, healthy, and running around.....

they would all be dead, otherwise

just wondering...what of all of the testimonials are shills that actually work for the companies making and selling this? product trolls.

[Dogman]

Tried to find sodium chlorite on line for sale, even tried some lab chemical supply places that I used to use back when I played around with my study of microbiology/histology and playing with microscopes and making slides.(Hobby) When I was not out chasing critters in pound water and such (mainly diatoms)

No joy!

But for sale other than that site it does not exist except ebay and that is questionable.

Seems it is banned in Europe and some other country's and has been pulled from the shelf. Because of a couple of deaths, but mostly because of that guy that tried to roast/blow his balls off on that commercial flight a few years ago. (In its pure dry form, it is explosive/very strong oxidizer)

Seems like the only source is the mms website and other sellers of these kits,

Or you make it your self which is a multi step process.

I can find it under another name "Oxine" which is a dilute and used for cleaning livestock areas and such. Smallest quantity is one gallon.

https://www.google.com/#q=Oxine

[mamboni]

its not bleach.....

its closer to table salt,

"sodium chlorite" (MMS)


In any event, I would appreciate any followup on how the dogs are doing. I'll try anything if it works. But this stuff is toxic and dangerous.

"sodium chloride" (table salt)


Sodium chlorite is similar to the active ingredient in bleach, sodium hypochlorite. Big difference between chlorite and chloride. I am trying to keep an open mind but this makes no sense. Chlorite ions and chloride dioxide are highly reactive oxidants. These will react with the lining of your mouth, esophagus and stomach (and do damage) long before any reachs the blood stream.

[Dogman]

Sodium chlorite is similar to the active ingredient in bleach, sodium hypochlorite. Big difference between chlorite and chloride. I am trying to keep an open mind but this makes no sense. Chlorite ions and chloride dioxide are highly reactive oxidants. These will react with the lining of your mouth, esophagus and stomach (and do damage) long before any reachs the blood stream. Doc,

My read is when the activator is added chlorine and or the gas is produced.

[ShortJohnSilver]

So what could be (assuming it works!) a possible explanation? Is the idea to create some kind of buffered solution that makes its way to the stomach, and then does what, exactly? What does it dis-infect? Does it somehow release or break down, some bad stuff, or make some other good stuff more bio-available?

[Spectrism]

The video translated into English states that the effect is to provide electrical conductivity through the cells. It is not so much that there is a sanitizing reaction as it is an enabling of the mitochondria within the cells to produce power. He says that the old concept of "free radicals" and "anti-oxidants" is completely wrong.

Adding oxidizers to the body helps the body. Anti-oxidants force the body into fermentation for energy, instead of oxidation.

I have not yet worked through the chemical reaction of the combination of the two solutions. Adding acid to.... sodium chlorite(?)......

Anyway.... if you add acid to bleach and chlorine gas is released, do not breathe in the chlorine gas. That is deadly in sufficient quantity, but it won't do any good for you. Perhaps that chlorine release in the prep stage is what makes the solution a fit "salt" for consumption, but still with some toxic kick to it.... so limited is the dose.

[Cebu_4_2]

And this is the exact reason my bottles are sitting in a box somewhere. The good sounds great and the bad sounds like propaganda bullshit with a little truth stuck to it for confusing fun.

[Spectrism]

And this is the exact reason my bottles are sitting in a box somewhere. The good sounds great and the bad sounds like propaganda bullshit with a little truth stuck to it for confusing fun.

Wise to wait until you know it is good.... but the conventional beliefs seem to be completely wrong. I am puzzling over this and think there may be some value. If people report energized pets, spouses, themselves.... and certain diseases gone.... and maybe because the body is energized into an oxidation-energy mode, it may have something.

[old steel]

So you don't have to buy this stuff you can just make it at home, apparently.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TMZkKSIqxc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNNU6MpKH9w

[PatColo]

Spingola had this guy on yesterday's show, sort of an herbal med guru, see one of his vids below. In the 2nd hour somewhere, when they take calls, a caller asks about guest's opinion of MMS. Guest said positive things, but I'd have to re-listen to recall what he said.

Spingola Speaks 2013.11.04 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2013/11/spingola-speaks-20131104.html)



http://www.spingola.com/Deanna%2005.jpg (http://www.spingola.com/Deanna%2005.jpg)
Guest: Tony Pantalleresco (http://augmentinforce.50webs.com/), a guy who knows some stuff

News Page (http://mynewspage.wordpress.com/websites/deanna-spingola/)
Deanna's site (http://www.spingola.com/radio_schedule.html)
Official chat room (http://spingola.chatango.com/)
Spingola Speaks .Info (http://spingolaspeaks.info/)

Download (http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/x682660cu2/spingola.speaks._tony.pantalleresco.2013.11.04.mp3 )


19 mins:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xp3hir_queen-of-hungary-formula_webcam

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xp3hir_queen-of-hungary-formula_webcam

[Spectrism]

So you don't have to buy this stuff you can just make it at home, apparently.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TMZkKSIqxc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNNU6MpKH9w

Both of these clowns have NO idea what they are doing. Do not follow them. The last guy is scary. He was taking the outgassing chlorine and charging the water with pure chlorine gas. Of course he got 50 ppm chlorine. That will outgas from the water in a couple hours. He did not measure Cl O2.

The girl with the capsules.... sheesh. How hard would it be to let the reaction take place in a glass and then take the product drops into the capsule. If it tastes that bad, and she can't handle it in the mouth, it is not right for the body.

[osoab]

Why did you delete your post zap?

[Cebu_4_2]

Why did you delete your post zap?

The plot thickens...

[FreeEnergy]

tagg pending doctor mamboni's opinion.

[osoab]

The plot thickens...

I hadn't taken the time to read the whole thing yet. Now it is gone. Dogman gave a thanks if memory serves correctly.

[Dogman]

I hadn't taken the time to read the whole thing yet. Now it is gone. Dogman gave a thanks if memory serves correctly.

Here is the article she posted.. Sans her personal commits.

Fasting Cancer Patients Works: the research of Valter Longo PhD.
Jacob Schor, ND, FABNO
DNC News
June 6, 2013

I believe that the current research on the natural treatment of cancer conducted by Valter Longo PhD may be one of the most exciting, interesting and clinically useful new developments in the field of oncology. Not just naturopathic oncology, but in the entire field of oncology.

Longo’s early research looked at the impact fasting has on longevity, but in recent years he has shifted his focus to fasting and its impact on cancer chemotherapy. Longo now claims that fasting increases the effectiveness of many chemotherapy drugs at slowing cancer growth, while simultaneously reducing the deleterious side effects of treatment.

Even though fasting is such a fundamental part of naturopathic therapy I am still surprised at the extent of the benefits it may bring to cancer treatment. On a more fundamental level, Longo’s work brings insight into how naturopathic therapies work.

I was first introduced to Longo’s ideas by an article in an August 2008 issue of the journal Science. Longo is a professor at the University of Southern California (USC) and until his recent foray into cancer research had studied the effect of caloric restriction on life span. Animals that spend most of their lives hungry live longer than well-fed animals. Cutting calories slows the growth rate of cells and makes them more resistant to stress. Healthy cells when hungry become stress resistant; they budget their energy and spend it on protective and maintenance functions rather than on reproduction and growth.

Longo questioned whether this same phenomenon might be utilized in cancer treatment. Slowing the growth rate of healthy cells might protect them from chemotherapy, which preferentially injures faster growing cells. Longo’s earlier research using yeast suggested that cancer cells could not slow their growth rates when hungry, the way healthy cells do. Thus fasting might have a two-fold benefit during chemotherapy, selectively protecting healthy cells while leaving cancer cells susceptible. [1]

The first experimental results were published in 2008. Longo tested his ‘hunger protects theory’ on yeast and then on mice. Mice who had been without food for 48 to 60 hours exhibited no signs of toxicity when given high doses of chemotherapy (LD-50 doses). Half of the control animals used in this experiment that were allowed to eat up to and during the chemo treatment died. While fasting lessened chemo side effects in this first report, tumor cells, at least neuroblastoma cells, remained sensitive to chemotherapy. [2]

When Longo’s 2008 paper was first published, it was met with concern from oncologists. They warned curious patients against fasting. After all, “The dietary recommendation for cancer patients receiving chemotherapy, as described by the American Cancer Society, is to increase calorie and protein intake.”

It is reasonable to worry that patients will lose weight. Weight loss is a red flag for all of us. With advanced cancer, the body’s metabolism gets tangled up. The chemical cycles that generate energy from food become less efficient. With advanced cancer, it’s as if people get lousy gas mileage from their food. Even if they eat plenty of calories, they still lose weight. Since they can’t eat as much food as they did when well, they lose weight even faster. This ‘cachexia’ often marks the beginning of the end. As a result, people who work with cancer patients are frightened to see them lose weight. The idea of patients fasting is scary.

Even so, desperate times call for desperate measures and people started fasting on their own shortly after Longo’s very first paper was published. Anecdotal reports of good results encouraged others to try doing it.

Science described one of these experimenters:
“One enthusiast is Thomas Cravy, a 66-year-old retired ophthalmologist in Santa Maria, California, who is battling metastatic prostate cancer. Cravy just finished his third round of chemotherapy in 2 months, each combined with fasting. After the first round left him suffering some side effects, Cravy extended the time he fasts after treatment from about 8 hours to 24 hours, to go beyond the half-life of the most toxic drug; he also fasts for about 64 hours before treatment. Cravy now reports virtually no ill effects from chemotherapy. ‘On day five [after treatment] was the first time I played golf and walked the whole golf course,’ he says. He admits that his mental sharpness fades during the 3½ days he fasts. But the approach has made him much more willing to try chemotherapy, which he had long resisted because he so feared its side effects.”

These stories led to a report published in the December 2009 issue of Aging. Safdie et al describe the results of human experiments they conducted with Longo. They described 10 cases in which patients diagnosed, “… with a variety of malignancies had voluntarily fasted prior to … and/or following … chemotherapy. None of these patients, who received an average of 4 cycles of various chemotherapy drugs in combination with fasting, reported significant side effects caused by the fasting itself other than hunger and lightheadedness. …. The six patients…. reported a reduction in fatigue, weakness, and gastrointestinal side effects while fasting. …. fasting did not prevent the chemotherapy-induced reduction of tumor volume or tumor markers. …the 10 cases presented here suggest that fasting in combination with chemotherapy is feasible, safe, and has the potential to ameliorate side effects caused by chemotherapies…”

While Longo and colleagues were not ready to, “… establish practice guidelines for patients undergoing chemotherapy,” they had set an example that spurred our interest and that of our patients. [3]

Why would not eating have such an impact on cancer? Monkeys on long-term caloric restricted diets experience half the cancer rate as monkeys on a standard diet. But what about these short term diets? Short-term starvation (STS) is the term Longo now favors in his writing. STS causes healthy cells to rapidly switch to a ‘protected mode,’ which triggers significant changes in IGF-I and many other proteins and molecules and is capable of protecting mammalian cells and mice from various toxins, including chemotherapy. A range of biological parameters decrease including IGF-1, blood glucose and inflammatory cytokines in particular. [4]

Longo coined the term “Differential Stress Resistance (DSR) to describe the ability of STS to trigger protective reactions in healthy cells but not in cancer cells. In the early yeast experiments, the effect was dramatic, a 1,000-fold difference in protection against chemotherapy induced oxidative stress between normal cells and cancer-like yeast cells. If even a fraction of this DSR were seen in humans it would still be clinically relevant, significantly impacting long-term survival. [5,6]

A milestone study was published February 8, 2012 that brought us closer to the day when telling patients to fast during chemotherapy becomes the standard of care. While the earlier publications informed us that fasting reduced chemotherapy toxicity, in this paper published in Science Translational Medicine, Longo presented evidence that fasting enhanced the benefit of chemotherapy by sensitizing cancer cells.

(snip)

More at the link.

http://www.denvernaturopathic.com/Longo2013.htm

[zap]

Why did you delete your post zap?

I didn't want to hijack his thread about the MMS, I was talking about cancer instead.

[steel_ag]

mms red cross clinical trial in Uganda. Saw the video showing promising results for people with malaria. Looked legit to me. <shrug>

but then I see this... http://www.pepijnvanerp.nl/2013/07/update-on-mms-malaria-trial-in-uganda/ (i haven't read it fully yet)

[Libertytree]

Well, there's only one way to find out for sure and that's to try it. Personally, I have no problem being a test subject and I'll give it a go just as soon as possible. I've spent over $300 on this little problem with most all of it at a docs office and their meds, so spending $20-30 is no biggie, especially if it does the trick.

[Serpo]

38 autistic Children Recovered in 20 months with MMS


http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?70576-38-autistic-Children-Recovered-in-20-months-with-MMS (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?70576-38-autistic-Children-Recovered-in-20-months-with-MMS)

[Serpo]

I gotta try this stuff! I have a bad recurring carbuncle or something akin to it and so far nothing has worked, at least not for long. I've tried antibiotics, miracle honey, baths, etc.. It'd be quite the blessing if this works as well as is being reported.


Maybe coconut oil might work and will do no harm.

[mick silver]

if i was to order this , i need to know what i need . all that i see is there two bottles why do i need both thanks mick

[Large Sarge]

1 is the activator, and 1 is the MMS

you add them together, and the magic begins (just kidding, In part)

try 1 activated drop per hour for 8 hours, see how you do from that, and report back

;)

[mick silver]

LS what this used for .... Black Walnut Tincture

[Large Sarge]

LS what this used for ....Black Walnut Tincture

parasites


MMS will do parasites also,

I have used both, MMS stimulates mitochondrial function (along with anti-viral, anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, anti-toxin, chelating agent, etc)

Black walnut hull only does parasites

[chad]

sounds like a good way to kill you liver and/or pancreas.

[Large Sarge]

sounds like a good way to kill you liver and/or pancreas.

you need to be more specific.....

[Large Sarge]

just add a personal thought/note

Everyone here should own/have some MMS on hand, if for no other reason than an emergency

Bioweapon release (MMS cures HIV, the supposed Godzilla of viruses) the way MMS works there Is no build up of resistance by viruses/bacteria


so if/when we get some major release, you will be the "only game in town" as they say...

it will be the best $20 you ever spent, seriously

food for thought

[BrewTech]

its not bleach.....

its closer to table salt,

"sodium chlorite" (MMS)

"sodium chloride" (table salt)

Spoken like a true snake-oil salesman.

Do you really believe what you just wrote?

Does that mean you can clean drains with table salt? ROFL.




Chlorine can assume oxidation states of −1, +1, +3, +5, or +7 within the corresponding anions Cl−, ClO−, ClO2−, ClO3−, or ClO4−, known commonly and respectively as chloride, hypochlorite, chlorite, chlorate, and perchlorate. An additional oxidation state of +4 is seen in the neutral compound chlorine dioxide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide) ClO2, which has a similar structure.

Sodium Hypochlorite = Clorox, not Morton's.

Chlorine Dioxide is a powerful sanitizer, sometimes used in the brewing industry under the brand name Star-Xene.

[Large Sarge]

Spoken like a true snake-oil salesman.

Do you really believe what you just wrote?

Does that mean you can clean drains with table salt? ROFL.



Sodium Hypochlorite = Clorox, not Morton's.

again, you have not tried it, and they are curing malaria, MRSA, and a billion other ailments with it

you will gladly dump $20 for beer and pizza with your buddies, and laugh at $20 for something that will save your life......

spoken like a true ignoramus......

[BrewTech]

again, you have not tried it, and they are curing malaria, MRSA, and a billion other ailments with it

you will gladly dump $20 for beer and pizza with your buddies, and laugh at $20 for something that will save your life......

spoken like a true ignoramus......

I pay for neither beer, nor pizza. And when was I laughing?

What's your chemistry background, smart guy?

My job is based heavily on biochemistry, microbiology, and enzymology.

Like I said, chlorine dioxide is an industrial grade sanitizer.

I'm not saying this MMS stuff works or doesn't. I was criticizing your equating sodium chlorite with table salt, and trying to sell your product based on that fallacy.

[Large Sarge]

I pay for neither beer, nor pizza.

What's your chemistry background, smart guy?

My job is based heavily on biochemistry, microbiology, and enzymology.

Like I said, chlorine dioxide is an industrial grade sanitizer.

I'm not saying this MMS stuff works or doesn't. I was criticizing your equating sodium chlorite with table salt, and trying to sell your product based on that fallacy.

from my understanding,
it converts into table salt after reacting, in the body.... (Harmless byproduct)


again, it is an oxidizer, and it stimulates mitochondrial function....

now, I have used this stuff on animals, and seen mind boggling results, literally hours from death, to full recovery.. now, the million dollar question is "who is whispering in that animals ear, to give him that STUPENDOUS placebo effect", because acording to you, it does not work.....

[Horn]

Seems to me it could work to cure many an ailment.

Not sure why you'd want to do a regular regiment of eruptions though?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV6SmY04WdE

[BrewTech]

from my understanding,
it converts into table salt after reacting, in the body.... (Harmless byproduct)


again, it is an oxidizer, and it stimulates mitochondrial function....

now, I have used this stuff on animals, and seen mind boggling results, literally hours from death, to full recovery.. now, the million dollar question is "who is whispering in that animals ear, to give him that STUPENDOUS placebo effect", because acording to you, it does not work.....


I pay for neither beer, nor pizza. And when was I laughing?

What's your chemistry background, smart guy?

My job is based heavily on biochemistry, microbiology, and enzymology.

Like I said, chlorine dioxide is an industrial grade sanitizer.

I'm not saying this MMS stuff works or doesn't. I was criticizing your equating sodium chlorite with table salt, and trying to sell your product based on that fallacy.

Yup... exactly what I said. (http://www.readingcomprehensionconnection.com/)

MSDS - Sodium Chlorite (http://www.cleartech.ca/msds/sodchlorite.pdf)

MSDS Chlorine Dioxide (http://www.fivestarchemicals.com/wp-content/uploads/StarXeneMSDS2.pdf)

Best to know at least some of the facts.

[Hypertiger]

Forget belief...I do not believe...I know or I do not know.

Taking into consideration does not mean you have to believe.

People that do not choose to take things into consideration...are lazy.

Thanks for bumping this...It was put lower down in priority of things to consider researching.

[Hypertiger]

The way criticism works by those who employ absolute self indulgent reason to solve the problem of continued existence.

"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everybody (All who choose to employ absolute self indulgent reason) gets busy on the proof."--John Kenneth Galbraith

Throwing the baby out with the bath water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quibble_(plot_device)

[Spectrism]

A little off topic here but something to consider. I have about 3 dozen chickens. Mostly, they have never been sick. A couple months ago they seemed to all get a diarhea illness. Part of it is that they are overcrowded and get out too little because I have had attacks by hawks.

Anyway, I tried dosing their water with some bleach. I always use diluted bleach for washing the eggs, and tried using a mild dose in their drinking water. Almost immediately the diarhea stopped. The chlorinated (hypochlorite- not chloramine) water made them more healthy.

[Horn]

And the egg yolks are blonde?

[BrewTech]

A little off topic here but something to consider. I have about 3 dozen chickens. Mostly, they have never been sick. A couple months ago they seemed to all get a diarhea illness. Part of it is that they are overcrowded and get out too little because I have had attacks by hawks.

Anyway, I tried dosing their water with some bleach. I always use diluted bleach for washing the eggs, and tried using a mild dose in their drinking water. Almost immediately the diarhea stopped. The chlorinated (hypochlorite- not chloramine) water made them more healthy.

So, basically you sanitized their water supply? And their diarrhea stopped?

Amazing. I wonder if cleaning up the water supply in overcrowded human populations would have the same effect?

:confused:

[Horn]

Maybe the idea behind a daily regiment is to get enough in people's systems,

placing a small amount of Hydro acid in every Bayer aspirin everyone then spontaneously combusts?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HepP3LS64T8

[Horn]

Inadvertent Production and Explosion of Liquid Chlorine Dioxide Description
Chlorine dioxide (ClO2) has been used for decades as a bleaching agent, as a biocide and in water treatment. As one would expect from the formula, it is an unstable compound and decomposes in the gas phase at concentrations above 10% to chlorine and oxygen, liberating approx 100 kJ/mole. The liquid and solid forms are prone to unpredictable and explosive decomposition.


Researchers at Los Alamos National Laboratory in USA were experimenting with ClO2 as a biocide, and generated the gas by the standard methods of passing a mixture of chlorine and nitrogen through a packed bed of sodium chlorite flakes at ambient temperature. This reaction has a heat of reaction of approx 200 kJ/mole ClO2.


During a series of experiments, which were carefully designed to minimise hazards, the researchers noticed a dramatic rise in temperature and wisely evacuated the room and activated the automatic shut-off valve for the feed. Shortly afterwards, an explosion destroyed the experiment and did considerable damage to the fume-hood.


It transpired that in the experiment, the ClO2 had condensed as a liquid. Only a few ml of ClO2 had condensed, but the liquid has roughly one-third the power of TNT, hence the damage concerned. Fortunately the temperature rise had given sufficient warning for the experimenters to escape before the explosion occurred. For more details see Chem and Eng News, Dec 9, 2002, pp 4 and 5.


This is perhaps a warning to all who deal with compounds with halogen-oxygen bonds of the potential hazards of these compounds. I still see many academic reports of preparations of perchlorate salts of organic compounds, followed by drying. Without knowing the properties of the product, this can be extremely dangerous. I believe that all papers which describe such salts should have a safety warning and refer to the extensive literature on the subject, for example Kirk-Ohmer’s Encyclopaedia of Chemical Technology and Bretherick’s Handbook of Reactive Chemical Hazards, the latest edition of which was 1999 in the hard copy (Butterworth-Heinemann).

http://www.scientificupdate.co.uk/process-chemistry-information/item/inadvertent-production-and-explosion-of-liquid-chlorine-dioxide.html

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLawcrgIUsU

[Large Sarge]

Yup... exactly what I said. (http://www.readingcomprehensionconnection.com/)

MSDS - Sodium Chlorite (http://www.cleartech.ca/msds/sodchlorite.pdf)

MSDS Chlorine Dioxide (http://www.fivestarchemicals.com/wp-content/uploads/StarXeneMSDS2.pdf)

Best to know at least some of the facts.

I am not selling anything,

and again, your MSDS does not mention mitochondrial function at all....

you are just whistling Dixie a this point.... you are like a high school kid reading the official story on 9/11, and giving us a nice book report on it....

[Large Sarge]

MMS is a close cousin to DCA
(notice how DCA turns on mitochondrial function, and all of the sudden everyone is healthy and happy..no coincidence there)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichloroacetic_acid


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/08/04/dca-and-turmeric-on-cancer.aspx


http://www.thedcasite.com/dca_how_it_works.html

[BrewTech]

I am not selling anything,

and again, your MSDS does not mention mitochondrial function at all....

you are just whistling Dixie a this point.... you are like a high school kid reading the official story on 9/11, and giving us a nice book report on it....

Oh, yes mitochondrial function. Why don't you give us your ORIGINAL (not copy/pasted) report on what mitochondrion are and how their function in living organisms is so important.

I've noticed you like to throw the term around, but how can you be so sure that your readers here have a sufficient microbiology background to know why what you are claiming is important, or even relevant?

Again, I'm not taking sides either way at this point, but I would like to better understand the metabolic pathway related to this compound and the synthesis of ATP, if that is what you are describing.

[Large Sarge]

MMS & DCA restore the membrane of the mitochondria, they restore is electric potential

when the membrane is restored, energy creation/transfer is much easier.

fish oil does this, via a different route and not as effectively as MMS or DCA

illness and aging are fundamentally a lack of energy, increase energy by increasing mitochondrial function

[Horn]

Sarge, I understand at a base level how the chemical reacts in the system against oxidizing pathogens.

Could you further explain the need for a regular maintenance program for those once rendered healthy, and or liberated from a controlling pathogen. Is it simply to keep the church in business with regular donation?

I can understand it in a chronic illness that can not be cured, but otherwise healthy individuals it seems the risk of unknown side effects from long term usage would be more a risk, or bad science by letting more durable pathogens develop thru immunity as in the case of overuse of other antibiotics.

[Large Sarge]

Sarge, I understand at a base level how the chemical reacts in the system against oxidizing pathogens.

Could you further explain the need for a regular maintenance program for those once rendered healthy, and or liberated from a controlling pathogen. Is it simply to keep the church in business with regular donation?

I can understand it in a chronic illness that can not be cured, but otherwise healthy individuals it seems the risk of unknown side effects from long term usage would be more a risk, or bad science by letting more durable pathogens develop thru immunity as in the case of overuse of other antibiotics.


no,

first of all the "cost" issue, 6 drops a day(maintenance for an adult), now that is literally "pennies a day" keeping the church in biz is not a factor, you could not even buy a cup of coffee with this amount of money)

regarding the "everyday use", it restores the electric potential of those membranes, and it acts to remove toxins/pathogens, it even helps to deal with damages from GMO foods....

let me shout this one point "AGING AND ILLNESS ARE A LACK OF ENERGY"

you want to stay young and healthy? take care of those mitochondria..... or else....

[Horn]

Found a mouthwash , toothpaste, and skincare products modeled off the process product.

http://www.frontierpharm.com/index.html

[Horn]

let me shout this one point "AGING AND ILLNESS ARE A LACK OF ENERGY"

you want to stay young and healthy? take care of those mitochondria..... or else....

Well everyone eventually dies, a regular regiment of explosive gateway solution would only lead to an inevitable natural counter force creativity.

The host individuals body will eventually fight the effect through developed immunity.

[Large Sarge]

Found a mouthwash , toothpaste, and skin product modeled off the process product.

http://www.frontierpharm.com/index.html

yes,

it does amazing things for the mouth/teeth (squeaky clean is an understatement)

you can take the MMS, add the activator (you need to visualize this), add them in a glass, then let the reaction occur while you hold the cup in your mouth, then as it runs/bubbles into your mouth, only the gas goes into the mouth, not the liquid(You have to breathe through your nose, very important)

anyway, it will oxidize everything in your mouth, feels like nothing you have ever experienced.... do it maybe once or twice a week or so.....


we did In in the eyes, that was amazing also...

anyway, the stuff is absurdly cheap, it cures everything on the planet... even works on poisons (snake/insect/spider/etc)
it does about everything

the real question is "why would you not want it?"

[Hatha Sunahara]

Recently I read about some research in the area of reversing aging. It was about a chemical that was being used on rats that turned a two year old rat into one that was as fit as a six month old rat. This chemical reversed the aging process. The explanation offered was that as you age, the coordination between your cells nuclear biochemistry and the mitochondria outside the nucleus in the cell becomes sloppy. This chemical restored that coordination and the rats were able to produce more energy--thus reversing the aging process. This makes a lot of sense to me. I am sure there is more than one chemical that can play a positive role in this process, and perhaps MMS is one of those chemicals. I bought some MMS several years ago but never used it because I had my doubts about its safety. I think I might buy another small quantity and try it out. I'm inclined to believe the positive things I hear about it, and I hope I have the courage to try it starting with very small doses and increasing them incrementally until I know what I am experiencing with it. I read Jim Humble's book about it. I found nothing to make me believe that it is anything but what he says it is. This is one of those things that you just have to ignore the naysayers and try it to really know one way or the other whether it works for you.


Hatha

[Large Sarge]

Well everyone eventually dies, a regular regiment of explosive gateway solution would only lead to an inevitable natural counter force creativity.

The host individuals body will eventually fight the effect through developed immunity.

there is no immunity to MMS,

they have been using it in water treatment for hundreds of years, we would have super germs like no other

it does not work like traditional antibiotics/antivirals.... different pathway

[Large Sarge]

Recently I read about some research in the area of reversing aging. It was about a chemical that was being used on rats that turned a two year old rate into one that was as fit as a six month old rat. This chemical reversed the aging process. The explanation offered was that as you age, the coordination between your cells nuclear biochemistry and the mitochondria outside the nucleus in the cell becomes sloppy. This chemical restored that coordination and the rats were able to produce more energy--thus reversing the aging process. This makes a lot of sense to me. I am sure there is more than one chemical that can play a positive role in this process, and perhaps MMS is one of those chemicals. I bought some MMS several years ago but never used it because I had my doubts about its safety. I think I might buy another small quantity and try it out. I'm inclined to believe the positive things I hear about it, and I hope I have the courage to try it starting with very small doses and increasing them incrementally until I know what I am experiencing with it.


Hatha

that is what I am saying, Ozone therapy stimulates mitochondrial function as well, those are the only ways I am aware of

[Horn]

there is no immunity to MMS,

they have been using it in water treatment for hundreds of years,

Treated to only trace elements remaining, direct application internally on a regular basis a different immunity schedule all together.

[Large Sarge]

Treated to only trace elements remaining, direct application internally on a regular basis a different immunity schedule all together.


from my perspective, the mitochondria benefits outweigh all else, but you do your own homework...

when I am taking MMS, my hair and nails grow like weeds.. seriously, maybe 70 to 80% faster than normal

the barber said my hair now grows double the normal rate

that is just increased mitochondrial function......

one of the many perks

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLawcrgIUsU

You're the fired test candidate, Sarge. I think I'm several years younger than you,

So thanks for being a lab case, or no thanks for developing a new immune pathogen strain...

[BrewTech]

MMS & DCA restore the membrane of the mitochondria, they restore is electric potential

when the membrane is restored, energy creation/transfer is much easier.

fish oil does this, via a different route and not as effectively as MMS or DCA

illness and aging are fundamentally a lack of energy, increase energy by increasing mitochondrial function

What is the mechanism for this mitochondrial membrane restoration? In other words, what causes it to fail, and how does MMS/DCA repair this damage?

[Spectrism]

Horn- those Videos, while being good warnings of what not to do, are actually doing some stupid things with large quantities of the chemicals in 100% concentration. The acid and ClO2 powders were not diluted. Hell yeah you will get things exploding. The heat of reaction will make the glass explode.

You can get a strong acid drain cleaner and bleach.... these two together will produce chlorine gas in a violent reaction and if you use enough, will kill anything in the closed space. Deadly mixes when done in large amounts.

[Horn]

Horn- those Videos, while being good warnings of what not to do, are actually doing some stupid things with large quantities of the chemicals in 100% concentration. The acid and ClO2 powders were not diluted. Hell yeah you will get things exploding. The heat of reaction will make the glass explode.

You can get a strong acid drain cleaner and bleach.... these two together will produce chlorine gas in a violent reaction and if you use enough, will kill anything in the closed space. Deadly mixes when done in large amounts.

Know what you mean, the Sodium chlorite video stated he was at a 30% mixture.

Point is on a molecular level chlorine dioxide is an explosive agent. MMS creator Jim Humble has stated its as such, it blows holes through pathogens walls with violent reaction.

If long life is promoted through its regular consumption, it is through violence of the (its) state that it will be won.

A church of violence if you will. :)

[Large Sarge]

What is the mechanism for this mitochondrial membrane restoration? In other words, what causes it to fail, and how does MMS/DCA repair this damage?


paramagnetic membrane is restored (sodium/potassium pump)
DCA & MMS restore the electrical potential

[BrewTech]

paramagnetic membrane is restored (sodium/potassium pump)
DCA & MMS restore the electrical potential

Paramagnetic membrane? Of the cell, or just the mitochondria? I couldn't find any reference to a "paramagnetic membrane".

We aren't headed down this road, are we?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4

[Horn]

We aren't headed down this road, are we?


Fizzy Lifting Drinks for a break, anyone? :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQytqzQOR3Y

[Large Sarge]

http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/citation/140708/[Interaction_of_a_membrane_preparation_of_Na+_K+_AT Pase_with_a_spin_labeled_analog_of_ATP]_
paramagnetic membrane,

MMS help the electric potential of the body, oxidation in this sense means more electric potential

the reason sugars are so bad, is because of the carbon (carbohydrates), carbon is an insulator, it shuts down (reduces) the electric potential

that's why sugar causes cancer... (and a myriad of other problems)

all that carbon

[chad]

one thing i've never understood about all of the "cancer is caused by a fungus, cancer is caused by sugar" angles is how does radioactivity factor in to that? when you're exposed to radiation does it dump sugar and fungus in your body and then you get cancer? LOL

[Horn]

one thing i've never understood about all of the "cancer is caused by a fungus, cancer is caused by sugar" angles is how does radioactivity factor in to that? when you're exposed to radiation does it dump sugar and fungus in your body and then you get cancer? LOL

From what I know its when one cell goes crazy, and thinks he's found the fountain of youth in explosive devices.

Radiation being the explosive device there.

[BrewTech]

http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/citation/140708/[Interaction_of_a_membrane_preparation_of_Na+_K+_AT Pase_with_a_spin_labeled_analog_of_ATP]_


paramagnetic membrane,

MMS help the electric potential of the body, oxidation in this sense means more electric potential

the reason sugars are so bad, is because of the carbon (carbohydrates), carbon is an insulator, it shuts down (reduces) the electric potential

that's why sugar causes cancer... (and a myriad of other problems)

all that carbon

Tell that to the Krebs Cycle, and to glycolysis in the cytoplasm of all cells, glucose being the molecule ATP interacts with to create energy.

You're linking to what appears to be some kind of mobile app, for what I don't know?

Got any real real research reference links?

Indirectly, you are calling my beloved S. Cerevisiae a cancer cell. That ain't nice.

[BrewTech]

http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/citation/140708/[Interaction_of_a_membrane_preparation_of_Na+_K+_AT Pase_with_a_spin_labeled_analog_of_ATP]_


paramagnetic membrane,

MMS help the electric potential of the body, oxidation in this sense means more electric potential

the reason sugars are so bad, is because of the carbon (carbohydrates), carbon is an insulator, it shuts down (reduces) the electric potential

that's why sugar causes cancer... (and a myriad of other problems)

all that carbon

All life on this planet is carbon-based.

And now you have determined that carbon is the enemy.

Wow.

What's you're next product to schuck? Sunscreen?

[Large Sarge]

All life on this planet is carbon-based.

And now you have determined that carbon is the enemy.

Wow.

What's you're next product to schuck? Sunscreen?


excess carbon acts as an insulator

and again, we sit here going back and forth, you saying that's impossible, etc, you will not even spend the amount of money for 2 movie tickets to find out (and there are like 500 people selling it, not me)

all truth passes through 3 stages..... first it is ridiculed, second It is violently opposed, and lastly it is accepted as self evident...

[BrewTech]

excess carbon acts as an insulator

and again, we sit here going back and forth, you saying that's impossible, etc, you will not even spend the amount of money for 2 movie tickets to find out (and there are like 500 people selling it, not me)

all truth passes through 3 stages..... first it is ridiculed, second It is violently opposed, and lastly it is accepted as self evident...

The smart people listen to a claim, consider it, formulate questions to verify, and then move forward.

I'm not ridiculing, violently opposing, or accepting.

Seems your claims can't stand up to scrutiny.

You're telling me that if I drink fucking industrial grade sanitizer, it will cure me of EVERYTHING.

You expect me to just accept a claim like that from somebody on the fucking internet?? When I demand real evidence that it works, you call me an ignoramus. You answer my question with terminology you just make up on the fly.

You're a scammer, dude. Never have trusted you.

The fact that I saw very little little skepticism from the folks responding in this thread makes me question a lot of things I thought I knew...

[Large Sarge]

one thing i've never understood about all of the "cancer is caused by a fungus, cancer is caused by sugar" angles is how does radioactivity factor in to that? when you're exposed to radiation does it dump sugar and fungus in your body and then you get cancer? LOL

you have glutathione In the body, radiation destroys glutathione and it damages DNA

when glutathione levels are low, health suffers, direct link to longevity and glutathione


regarding DNA damage from radiation, DMSO helps that, as weird as that sounds, its one of the few things I am aware of that repairs DNA

[ximmy]

first impression...

http://cowpu.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/snake-oil.jpeg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQChjJERXWo

[Horn]

direct link to longevity and glutathione

Ahh. glutathione sounds like a scientific extension of gluten, no wonder they're making everything gluten free.

I have no idea what either are, but kinda like gluten just for the way it sounds.

More gluten please...

[Spectrism]

Horn- you are being disengenuous.

If we dried your body out, removing all water, ground it up into a fine powder and created a cloud with that powder, it would be explosive. Just a spark would make you blow. It seems you blow at times even without a spark.

Any extreme or distortion of things must be accounted as beyond reasonable. Drinking too much water can kill you yet many people still drink water.

[ximmy]

second impression...

curezone has a link for where to purchase and good video info.

MMS - Miracle Mineral Solution Debate Forum

http://curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=873


http://thehealthranch.com/mms-sodium-chlorite-citric-acid-combo-hdpe-4-oz/

[Horn]

Horn- you are being disengenuous.

If we dried your body out, removing all water, ground it up into a fine powder and created a cloud with that powder, it would be explosive. Just a spark would make you blow. It seems you blow at times even without a spark.

Any extreme or distortion of things must be accounted as beyond reasonable. Drinking too much water can kill you yet many people still drink water.

Quit blowing holes in the side of my pathogens, my DNA gets enough violent temptations from HT posts.


ok let me put this to rest.
chlorine dioxide, also known as chlorine peroxide http://www.scienceforums.net/latex/img/603592cc1b8b38c750cfe61c7600320e-1.png
is extremely unstable because chlorine can't really have a +4 oxidation state or formal charge. it decomposes in an explosive manner to form chlorine and oxygen. it will oxidize things.

according to my merck index (13th edition):
"strongly oxidizing, yellow to reddish-yellow gas at room temp. unpleasant odor similar to that of chlorine and reminiscent of that of nitric acid. unstable in light; stable in dark if pure, but chlorides catalyze its decompn even in the dark. REACTS VIOLENTLY WITH ORGANIC MATERIALS. in concns in excess of 10% at atm pressure easily detonated by sunlight, heat, contact with mercury or carbon monoxide. mp=-59 celsius; bp= 11 celsius. sol in water (3.01g/l at 25 celsius and 34.5mm Hg) with slight hydrolysis to chlorous and chloric acid; sol in alkaline and sulfuric acid solns. solid is yellowish-red crystalline mass; liquid is reddish-brown.

http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/7186-chlorine-dioxide-properties/

[Glass]

ok, it's a huffpost article but the first one I came to


Glutathione: The Mother of All Antioxidants

It's the most important molecule you need to stay healthy and prevent disease -- yet you've probably never heard of it. It's the secret to prevent aging, cancer (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/reducing-breast-cancer-risk), heart disease (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/cholesterol-heart-disease), dementia (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/9-steps-to-reverse-dementia) and more, and necessary to treat everything from autism (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/current-thinking-about-autism) to Alzheimer's disease (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/9-steps-to-reverse-dementia). There are more than 89,000 medical articles about it -- but your doctor doesn't know how address the epidemic deficiency of this critical life-giving molecule ...
What is it? I'm talking about the mother of all antioxidants, the master detoxifier and maestro of the immune system: GLUTATHIONE (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/glutathione) (pronounced "gloota-thigh-own").
The good news is that your body produces its own glutathione. The bad news is that poor diet (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/ultrawellness-key-1), pollution (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/ultrawellness-key-5), toxins (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/ultrawellness-key-5), medications, stress (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/ultrawellness-key-7), trauma, aging, infections and radiation all deplete your glutathione.

This leaves you susceptible to unrestrained cell disintegration from oxidative stress (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/ultrawellness-key-6), free radicals, infections and cancer. And your liver gets overloaded and damaged, making it unable to do its job of detoxification.
In treating chronically ill patients with Functional Medicine (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/functional-medicine) for more than 10 years, I have discovered that glutathione deficiency is found in nearly all very ill patients. These include people with chronic fatigue syndrome, heart disease (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/cholesterol-heart-disease), cancer (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/reducing-breast-cancer-risk), chronic infections, autoimmune disease (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/autoimmune-disease), diabetes (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/type-2-diabetes), autism (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/current-thinking-about-autism), Alzheimer's disease (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/9-steps-to-reverse-dementia), Parkinson's disease, arthritis (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/9-simple-steps), asthma (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/9-simple-steps), kidney problems, liver disease and more.


more at link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/glutathione-the-mother-of_b_530494.html)

[Cebu_4_2]

MMS - Miracle Mineral Solution Debate Forum

http://curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=873


It was information like this that has left my supply in a box somewhere. Hard to tell real from shills, if it works it is hammered into oblivion, if it don't work it is hammered into oblivion. Where do you start? I'm waiting for LT's experiment, although I don't personally know him I would trust him more than sites that promote or disclaim.

[Glass]

ok I bought some of this from the local Oz supplier when they reopened after christmas. I have had it sitting here for a while now. Decided to try it out from today. I get these needle like pains in my abdomen. Starting to cause some concern.

I was starting on 1 x 1/2 dose per hour as per the instructions. But on the second dose I just went with 1 drop of MMS and 1 drop of Citric Acid. I am diluting with about 250ml water ~8oz. I think that is about right for dilution. First dose didn't kill me. Lets see what the second dose does?

The regime is to take this 8 times per day. The gist of it seems to be that you just do it during the waking hours and if you do it in 8 straight hours, that is no biggie. I think that is curious in that you can get it all done in 1/3 of the day. I will probably try and spread it out a bit more.

Stuff smells like a chlorine or bleach. Changes colour to yellow when activated. Still smells when watered down but I am using a low dose. I think you would need to mask it with something when using higher dosages. I thought of maybe mixing up the days batch in one go but I am not sure that is a good idea. Not sure if there are limitations to storage once activated? Length of time or container material?

Anyway lets see what happens.

[Tumbleweed]

I took it for awhile several years ago as a preventitive and it didn't kill me. I didn't notice any change in my health either since I was healthy anyway.

[Bigjon]

I took it for awhile several years ago as a preventitive and it didn't kill me. I didn't notice any change in my health either since I was healthy anyway.

I have a kit sitting in my fridge and I too tried it for the ailments that I have. Did not work.
But nothing seems to work, except to avoid GMO's like they are the plague, as I believe they are.

[Tumbleweed]

I have a kit sitting in my fridge and I too tried it for the ailments that I have. Did not work.
But nothing seems to work, except to avoid GMO's like they are the plague, as I believe they are.

What are your ailments?

[Bigjon]

What are your ailments?

My face swells up one muscle group at a time sometimes the left cheek and then shifting to the mouth, sliding over to the right cheek, then going inside with the right side of the tongue then the left side and then it disappears for a day, week, month. Loads of fun, looking like a circus clown without any makeup.

Then there are my hands and feet they also swell up get bright red and itch like crazy and if I'm real lucky my fingers and feet will have red perfect circular eruptions about 1-2 millimeters in diameter. These itch even worse than the red swollen areas.

When I go to the Doctors they say I need vaccinations, blood pressure meds, statins for cholesterol, the standard fare, they never admit they don't have a clue. They are a waste of time and money.

[Serpo]

When I go to the Doctors they say I need vaccinations, blood pressure meds, statins for cholesterol, the standard fare, they never admit they don't have a clue. They are a waste of time and money.

Nothing against anyone on this forum of course but what you say is unfortunately true.................generalizing ...

[Spectrism]

My face swells up one muscle group at a time sometimes the left cheek and then shifting to the mouth, sliding over to the right cheek, then going inside with the right side of the tongue then the left side and then it disappears for a day, week, month. Loads of fun, looking like a circus clown without any makeup.

Then there are my hands and feet they also swell up get bright red and itch like crazy and if I'm real lucky my fingers and feet will have red perfect circular eruptions about 1-2 millimeters in diameter. These itch even worse than the red swollen areas.

When I go to the Doctors they say I need vaccinations, blood pressure meds, statins for cholesterol, the standard fare, they never admit they don't have a clue. They are a waste of time and money.

That sounds like a toxin being passed through vascular system. Radioactive particles? What you are seeing on the skin is happening internally. It sounds like the body is responding to some foreign particle or bug.... but it seems more chemical than biological.

Where is the in-house doc?

[Bigjon]

That sounds like a toxin being passed through vascular system. Radioactive particles? What you are seeing on the skin is happening internally. It sounds like the body is responding to some foreign particle or bug.... but it seems more chemical than biological.

Where is the in-house doc?

This has been an ongoing condition for the last 12 years. I take 2.5 mg of ceterizine (zyrtec) per day and it keeps it under control. If I stop it comes back. Barley malt and peanuts are the worst triggers for an attack. I can eat organic peanuts in limited quantities and have an occasional beer, boohoo.

[Tumbleweed]

My face swells up one muscle group at a time sometimes the left cheek and then shifting to the mouth, sliding over to the right cheek, then going inside with the right side of the tongue then the left side and then it disappears for a day, week, month. Loads of fun, looking like a circus clown without any makeup.

Then there are my hands and feet they also swell up get bright red and itch like crazy and if I'm real lucky my fingers and feet will have red perfect circular eruptions about 1-2 millimeters in diameter. These itch even worse than the red swollen areas.

When I go to the Doctors they say I need vaccinations, blood pressure meds, statins for cholesterol, the standard fare, they never admit they don't have a clue. They are a waste of time and money.

Have you tried using turmeric or black seed? they are supposed to be beneficial for inflamation and swelling.

[Libertytree]

I have a kit sitting in my fridge and I too tried it for the ailments that I have. Did not work.
But nothing seems to work, except to avoid GMO's like they are the plague, as I believe they are.

How long did you use it, how did you use it and in what doses? Also, have you researched DMSO?

[Bigjon]

Have you tried using turmeric or black seed? they are supposed to be beneficial for inflamation and swelling.

Yep and No help, no diff.

[Glass]

It does sound like a detox chelating might be useful. Something to detox and purge the body of toxins that might be causing this. I'm going to make my usual suggestion of lipsomal Vit C.

[Bigjon]

How long did you use it, how did you use it and in what doses? Also, have you researched DMSO?

It's so long ago I can't be sure how long I used it. Must have been five years or thereabouts back. When It first came on the scene. I think I used it for a couple of months, as I recall you start out at a couple of drops and work your way up to 20, then take a week off and resume. As I recall 20 to 26 drops for therapeutic and 10 to 12 for maintenance. I couldn't see any difference, all I have to do is stop taking zyrtec for a few days and symptoms return. Same goes for dmso, but I couldn't handle the garlic thing with dmso. Didn't take it for very long.

Have seen some help with MSM crystals, but haven't given up my zyrtec to see if there is a cure. Going through a bout with the symptoms is a real pain and seems pointless. I have pretty much resigned myself to taking cetirizine for the rest of my life. Two and a half mg is not very much. I buy 5 mg tablets and cut them in half. When I started taking it, I was also taking Singular 20 mg per day and 10 mg twice a day for Zyrtec.

[Bigjon]

It does sound like a detox chelating might be useful. Something to detox and purge the body of toxins that might be causing this. I'm going to make my usual suggestion of lipsomal Vit C.

Been there done that 10 times over... no help.

I even tried a water fast and went without any food for 15 days. It is supposed to give your system time to heal itself. I felt real weak at the end and then symptoms flared up and that was the end of that.

[Tumbleweed]

One more thing I'm wondering if you've tried Bigjon. Since Glass suggested a detox have you tried food grade diatomaceous earth?
a link here to some information on detoxing with it.
http://www.naturalnews.com/039326_diatomaceous_earth_detox_mercury.html

[hoarder]

Then there are my hands and feet they also swell up get bright red and itch like crazy and if I'm real lucky my fingers and feet will have red perfect circular eruptions about 1-2 millimeters in diameter. These itch even worse than the red swollen areas.Could be hepatic stones (gallstones). Since the foods we eat these days are not what our bodies were designed to process, our liver fails to purge toxins. They accumulate in the bile ducts of the liver and gallbladder. Most older people are carrying a pint or more of these "stones".

A symptom is itching.

Over the years, I've passed more than a pint of these stones by doing liver flushes.
http://www.drhuldaclark.org/liver-cleanse/

[Neuro]

My face swells up one muscle group at a time sometimes the left cheek and then shifting to the mouth, sliding over to the right cheek, then going inside with the right side of the tongue then the left side and then it disappears for a day, week, month. Loads of fun, looking like a circus clown without any makeup.

Then there are my hands and feet they also swell up get bright red and itch like crazy and if I'm real lucky my fingers and feet will have red perfect circular eruptions about 1-2 millimeters in diameter. These itch even worse than the red swollen areas.

When I go to the Doctors they say I need vaccinations, blood pressure meds, statins for cholesterol, the standard fare, they never admit they don't have a clue. They are a waste of time and money.
I have never heard or seen of any of those manifestations in my life. The hands and feet could be some autoimmune rheumatological reaction, but the face muscles swelling at different places I really have no clue about, facial nerve related problems would only create symptoms on one side.

Do the hand feet symptoms usually happen at the same time as the face symptoms?