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Cebu_4_2
6th November 2013, 06:12 AM
Colorado voters overwhelmingly approve state marijuana tax

By John Ingold
The Denver Post

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2013/1105/20131105__colorado_pot_proposition_succeeds%7Ep1.j pg (http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=5523941 )Advocates for Proposition AA celebrated after the Associated Press and the Denver Post called the vote in their favor, Tuesday night, November 5, 2013. Rick Ridder, left, high-fived Christian Sederberg at a victory party in downtown Denver. Proposition AA would impose a pair of taxes on legal marijuana sales. (Karl Gehring, The Denver Post)

A state ballot measure imposing special excise and sales taxes on recreational marijuana won handily in statewide voting Tuesday night. This story will be updated throughout the night.

9:20 p.m.: Latest count on Proposition AA : 668,358 in favor, 359,248 opposed.
9:12 p.m.: Results on local marijuana tax measures are beginning to come in from around the state.
Voters in Pueblo County are favoring — by 60 percent to 40 percent — a measure to impose a 3.5 percent sales tax on recreational marijuana. In a night of blowouts in favor of marijuana tax issues, that race is about the closest there is.
Marijuana Tax Questions
(http://data.denverpost.com/election/results/2013/)
COMPLETE ELECTION RESULTS
(http://www.denverpost.com/election2013/ci_24459348/colorado-election-results-2013)
In Carbondale, voters are favoring their marijuana tax proposal 73 percent to 27 percent. In Fraser, voters are approving marijuana taxes 66 percent to 34 percent. And in the tiny mountain town of Red Cliff, voters are giving a thumbs-up to marijuana taxes 40 to 25. Those tallies aren't percentages; they're vote totals.
Voters in Eagle are narrowly saying no to recreational marijuana stores in their town, according to the Eagle County clerk's Twitter feed. If those stores were approved, though, voters in Eagle favor a special, local tax on them.
Results are still not available from Summit County, where voters in Breckenridge, Frisco and Silverthorne are all deciding on recreational marijuana tax measures.
8:56 p.m.: From Brian Vicente with Yes on AA: "The passage of Proposition AA today completes the historic process of regulating and taxing marijuana in Colorado."
8:43 p.m.: "I think we played hard, fought the good fight and the yes campaign is to be congratulated, if the present trend continues," said Rob Corry, the leader of the campaign against Proposition AA.
8:22 p.m.: With more than 850,000 votes counted, Proposition AA maintained its 65 percent to 35 percent lead.
8:16 p.m.: From Mike Elliott of Medical Marijuana Industry Group: "The passage of Proposition AA means Colorado will have a strong and well-funded regulatory system."
8:02 p.m.: The Denver Post projects Proposition AA, the statewide sales and excise tax on recreational marijuana, will pass. With about 680,000 votes counted, the measure leads 65 percent to 35 percent. Its sizeable lead has remained virtually unchanged since the first results were released Tuesday night.
7:50 p.m.: With more than 680,00 votes counted, Proposition AA was leading 65 percent, or 442,271, to 35 percent, or 241,420.
7:34 p.m.:
With about 550,000 votes counted, Proposition AA continued to hold a 66 percent to 34 percent lead.
7:25 p.m.: Local marijuana tax measures are also faring well in early returns.
With nearly 12,000 votes counted, Boulder's pot tax measure — which would impose a 5 percent excise tax and a 3.5 percent sales tax — is leading 68 percent to 32 percent. A measure in Manitou Springs to impose a special 5 percent sales tax on recreational marijuana is leading 67 percent to 33 percent. A marijuana tax measure in Denver is also leading.
Returns from the nine other cities and counties with marijuana tax measures on the ballot are not yet available.
In Englewood, though, voters are favoring a ban on recreational marijuana shops, by 53 percent to 47 percent with 4,200 votes counted.
7:10 p.m.: Proposition AA — the measure to impose special excise and sales taxes on recreational marijuana sales in Colorado — has a sizeable lead in early returns. With nearly 350,000 votes counted, the measure is leading 66 percent to 34 percent, according to the Colorado secretary of state's office.
Earlier on Tuesday, proponents of the measure expressed confidence the taxes would pass, saying that internal polling has long showed the measure leading by a healthy margin.
Original story: Voters across Colorado on Tuesday will decide whether to make marijuana one of the most heavily taxed consumer products in the state.
Proposition AA — on the ballot statewide (http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2013/10/29/marijuana-tax-supporters-vastly-out-raise-and-out-spend-tax-opponents/102124/) — would impose a 15 percent excise tax and an initial 10 percent sales tax on recreational marijuana.
At least a dozen cities, including Denver and Boulder, and one county, Pueblo, also have special recreational marijuana tax measures on their ballots. The local measures involve either excise taxes, sales taxes or a combination of both.
According to the state's voter guide (http://www.yesonpropaa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Blue_Book_2013_Prop_AA_Analysis.pdf), Proposition AA is expected to bring in $67 million a year. Of that, $27.5 million generated by the excise tax would go toward school construction, as specified in last year's constitutional amendment that legalized recreational marijuana use and also allowed for pot to be sold to anyone over 21 at specially licensed stores.
The rest of the money would go toward paying for the regulation of the pot shops, as well as any collateral impacts from marijuana legalization. Some cities, which will receive a share of the statewide sales tax (http://www.denverpost.com/marijuana/ci_24447584/marijuana-tax-windfall-from-proposition-aa-unclear-colorado) on pot, are also looking at using the money for non-marijuana-related projects, such as road repairs.
Determining what the taxes would all amount to for a typical marijuana-store customer is complicated.
The excise taxes would be applied to the wholesale price of pot when it is transferred between the grow room and the showroom. Because growers and sellers must initially be part of the same company, state regulators will set a fair-market wholesale price, but they have yet to do so.
Recreational marijuana sales would also be subject to standard state and local sales taxes.
All of those taxes combined are likely to amount to a hefty chunk of the retail price (http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2013/09/10/marijuana-taxes-group-opposed-to-proposition-aa-inflates-cost-of-excise-tax/100333/). For instance, if an eighth of an ounce of marijuana — a common purchase unit that is roughly equivalent to a 12-pack of beer — costs $30 at the retail level and $15 at the wholesale level, state taxes alone would be about $6, or around 20 percent.
If all the local tax measures pass Tuesday, some areas — such as Boulder, Carbondale and Manitou Springs — would have tax rates on marijuana that exceed 30 percent, according to a Denver Post analysis. In Denver, the rate would be nearly 29 percent, or $8.59 on that $30 eighth of an ounce of pot.

madfranks
6th November 2013, 07:15 AM
What's stupid is that pot is already extremely readily available on the black market. By taxing, and taxing, and taxing more, all they're going to do is push it back underground where the established market already exists.

Ares
6th November 2013, 07:25 AM
What's stupid is that pot is already extremely readily available on the black market. By taxing, and taxing, and taxing more, all they're going to do is push it back underground where the established market already exists.

The power to tax is a power to destroy.

palani
6th November 2013, 07:58 AM
Iowa is WAY ahead of Colorado (since 2003).

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2003/06/03/216/97265/crimepolicy/Iowa-Touts-Illegal-Drug-Stamp-Tax


Drug stamp taxes aren't new. But Iowa is making a killing on them. They've added some new twists and are raking in the dough.

Iowa law taxes all illegal drugs - from marijuana to cocaine. The state issues stamps, which vary in cost and color according to the drug, to be affixed to the drug to show the tax has been paid.

The stamps cost $5 a gram for marijuana, $750 per marijuana plant, $250 a gram for other drugs and $400 per 10 doses of drugs that come in tablet form, such as ecstasy. The minimum charge is $215.

Some may get a good chuckle out of the idea of drug users trotting down to the revenue department to buy a tax stamp - only seven batches of stamps have been sold (none were sold last year) - but the state is making a small fortune off of those who get caught without them.

In 2002, Iowa took in $1.3 million in drug stamp tax penalties and revenues.

Note that stamp sales are non-existent but the PENALTIES for not having one are HUGE.

Libertytree
6th November 2013, 08:13 AM
What's stupid is that pot is already extremely readily available on the black market. By taxing, and taxing, and taxing more, all they're going to do is push it back underground where the established market already exists.

Yep, they'll never see as much money as they're projecting now. Colorado also allows cultivation of up to 6 plants, so why not buy a quarter from a friend for the same price as a an eighth from the taxing authorities?

Ponce
6th November 2013, 08:38 AM
All that will happen is that the state will crack harder on those who are growing marijuana and now they will have to sell their product to the state for less so that the state can sell it for more........will there be a background check on those marijuana buyers?

V

iOWNme
6th November 2013, 10:24 AM
The power to tax is a power to destroy.

Whats interesting is almost everyone has the POWER to steal money from another. But NOBODY has the moral Right to do it.

madfranks
6th November 2013, 02:13 PM
I had a client lined up to do some architectural work; they were hoping to buy an old warehouse and renovate it into a growhouse with an accessory retail space to grow and sell cannabis. Well, the guy told me their projected profits were right on the margin, and they had some investors standing by waiting to see if these taxes were voted in, and if they were, the investors weren't going to provide the capital to make the project happen because those profits would disappear. So, once again, thanks to government for stopping economic development and ruining jobs.

StreetsOfGold
6th November 2013, 02:27 PM
voters overwhelmingly approve.....tax

Why would ANY voter approve ANY tax?

insanity

Ares
6th November 2013, 02:32 PM
voters overwhelmingly approve.....tax

Why would ANY voter approve ANY tax?

insanity

Most people lack the capacity for personal responsibility so decide to "outsource" it to government. They'll use the proceeds of this tax to continue to grow government and the people will march right in unison so as to go along with the "greater good". Individual freedom and god given rights be damned.

palani
6th November 2013, 03:05 PM
voters overwhelmingly approve.....tax

Why would ANY voter approve ANY tax?

insanity

An example?

Say a wine tax were proposed and I don't happen to drink wine. Why WOULDN'T I vote for a tax on those who do? No money out of my pocket and possibly this new income stream will satisfy .gov for a few years before they decide they can tax anything I might be into. But when that happens expect there to be quite a few dissatisfied wine drinkers who will be willing to vote FOR just for payback.

madfranks
6th November 2013, 03:57 PM
An example?

Say a wine tax were proposed and I don't happen to drink wine. Why WOULDN'T I vote for a tax on those who do?

Because in reality you actually don't have the authority to give one party the right to extort from another party.

Libertytree
6th November 2013, 05:20 PM
Because in reality you actually don't have the authority to give one party the right to extort from another party.

But the reality is that some do have the ability to tax others and that's made obvious with this vote. What they don't fully realize is that if it works against someone else it can also work against them. Morons.

palani
6th November 2013, 05:28 PM
Because in reality you actually don't have the authority to give one party the right to extort from another party.

Get this. It would not be the WINE that was taxed but the commercial transaction. Don't want to pay the tax? Make your own wine. There is no transaction to tax then.

The general umbrella over all commercial transactions is that they occur in the commercial plane. Who gets to determine who has or has not authority to come up with the rules of transactions that occur in commerce? If you don't like those rules then what is your recourse? [hint ... it has to do with getting out of commerce]

Libertytree
6th November 2013, 05:41 PM
Get this. It would not be the WINE that was taxed but the commercial transaction. Don't want to pay the tax? Make your own wine. There is no transaction to tax then.

The general umbrella over all commercial transactions is that they occur in the commercial plane. Who gets to determine who has or has not authority to come up with the rules of transactions that occur in commerce? If you don't like those rules then what is your recourse? [hint ... it has to do with getting out of commerce]

That's why I make my own beer and roll my own smokes. In the long run though if the supply chain goes down so does my plan.

palani
6th November 2013, 06:16 PM
That's why I make my own beer and roll my own smokes. In the long run though if the supply chain goes down so does my plan.

I don't have a plan.

Of course I use 'plan' in the context of a Devils Island prisoner as described in the book Papillon


Papillon endured a brief stay at a prison in Caen. As soon as he boarded a vessel bound for South America, he learned about the brutal life that prisoners had to endure at the prison colony. Murders were not uncommon among convicts, and men were cut with makeshift knives for their charger (a hollow metal cylinder containing money, lodged in the rectum; it has also been called a plan). Papillon befriended a former banker convicted of counterfeiting named Louis Dega. He agreed to protect Dega from those seeking to murder him for his charger.

When anyone asks .... I DON'T HAVE A PLAN!!!!