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Horn
9th November 2013, 04:21 PM
For grievous transgressions against a tipping Precious Metals market, war has been declared.

Sometimes violence is the only way to shake sense into thicker skulls before removing them.

Silver Knights join the call to arms.

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Hitch
9th November 2013, 04:45 PM
Right on Horn!! Cheers to silver!!

Dogman
9th November 2013, 04:52 PM
The Golden knight will join this worthy cause!

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Serpo
9th November 2013, 04:52 PM
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Horn
9th November 2013, 04:57 PM
The Golden knight will join this worthy cause!

Thank You

Every sword is needed, even though yours looks a bit heavy.

madfranks
9th November 2013, 05:22 PM
You know, for all it's worth, I only sold one roll of silver dimes to covert into "e-coins". The rest of my hoard is safe and sound, resting peacefully at the bottom of the lake where I dropped it years ago.

Horn
9th November 2013, 05:56 PM
Note to all Silver Knights,

while remaining conservative in your principles, apply your sword strokes liberally upon the transgressors.

Cebu_4_2
9th November 2013, 06:58 PM
Note to all Silver Knights,

while remaining conservative in your principles, apply your sword strokes liberally upon the transgressors.

What do you have against the transgenders?

Hitch
9th November 2013, 07:00 PM
What do you have against the transgenders?

We don't have anything against you, Cebu.

Horn
9th November 2013, 07:12 PM
What do you have against the transgenders?

synonyms: betrayer, backstabber, double-crosser, renegade, fifth columnist; turncoat, defector, deserter;
collaborator, informer, mole, snitch, double agent;
Judas, Benedict Arnold, quisling;informalsnake in the grass, two-timer, rat, scab, fink

"convicted traitors will be executed"

Hitch
9th November 2013, 07:49 PM
synonyms: betrayer, backstabber, double-crosser, renegade, fifth columnist; turncoat, defector, deserter;
collaborator, informer, mole, snitch, double agent;
Judas, Benedict Arnold, quisling;informalsnake in the grass, two-timer, rat, scab, fink

"convicted traitors will be executed"

Cebu, read this and learn from it. Maybe then you'll answer my question, I asked you, via PM.

Shami-Amourae
9th November 2013, 08:53 PM
You guys, I really don't have a side. I like Precious Metals, Crypto-Currencies, Preparedness Supplies, and Guns/Ammo.


The fact of the matters is we are in uncharted waters in this world. It's good to diversify. There's good and bad about all of these things and frankly I think we need all of them. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Each of the things I listed are good things to store wealth in for a variety of different reasons that will give you a higher probability of being right in the end.




If you're into Gold, why not own a couple Bitcoins too incase you need to slip out of an area with nothing but the shirt on your back.
All you own is Guns/Ammo? You need some Gold/Silver too to preserve your wealth in a concentrated way that probably wont be confiscated by the government.
You have a bunch of Bitcoins, but no Food or Water in case of a disaster? Time to stock up on Preparedness Supplies.
You've got Preps, but no Guns/Ammo to defend them?!



Any one of the four can increase and/or preserve your wealth over time. Why not have them all? I'm not saying have equal wealth into each. Just get yourself exposed to them all at least so you have more options. Believe it or not, the largest percentage of my wealth is still in Gold/Silver. So I'm actually in the Precious Metals camp.



We should be working together. Get along. Gay shit like that.

Gay Shit
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Mouse
9th November 2013, 09:38 PM
This is a solid hit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knkAftDv9HU

Horn
9th November 2013, 11:02 PM
It's good to diversify.

In war, diversify your enemy, not yourself.

Though any thousandth point of light might think dividing himself is covering his own.

Rothchild loves your diversity even further than you yourself do.

Next victim & thousandth point of light.

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Horn
10th November 2013, 05:56 PM
Currently we're facing a full frontal attack from the nihilistic forces of E-nothingness.

The less faithful are being cast into the great abyss, and darkened clouds have gathered around the website's flag moniker,

claiming to rename it EcoinsRus.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?73935-GSUS-Worldcoin-Promotion

All hands on deck!

Son-of-Liberty
10th November 2013, 06:02 PM
Lol.....

Horn
10th November 2013, 06:14 PM
Lol.....

Faithless primitive screwheads, its one of their conspirators...

The Army of Darkness approaches.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5iTpleCndo

Hitch
10th November 2013, 06:23 PM
Horn, our true love is silver and gold. We must not forget that. Think about e-coins as a mistress on the side, our hearts remain faithful, but our balls seek out many opportunities.

Horn
10th November 2013, 06:34 PM
I will not go!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsZEWhj4pVg

madfranks
10th November 2013, 06:37 PM
Horn, our true love is silver and gold. We must not forget that. Think about e-coins as a mistress on the side, our hearts remain faithful, but our balls seek out many opportunities.

Well... I guess that's one way of putting it...

Silver Rocket Bitches!
10th November 2013, 06:39 PM
Don't fall for the divide and conquer tactics. It's all part of the WAR AGAINST FIAT! Hold strong no matter your FRN alternative!

osoab
10th November 2013, 06:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

Horn
10th November 2013, 07:09 PM
Hold strong no matter your FRN alternative!

You can't hold an E-coin.

Join the silver knights, or follow the nihilistic & pied piped E-coin lemmings into the abyss.

Sparky
10th November 2013, 11:17 PM
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Sparky
10th November 2013, 11:20 PM
And look, it's ximmy...

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Horn
10th November 2013, 11:27 PM
I knew it was gonna end up with just me and you in the foxhole, Sparky.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqKLtp6MRv4

Keep your head down, I'm calling in special forces. Indians at all angles....

Neuro
11th November 2013, 11:21 AM
I wonder how many younguns have been prevented from being gold and/or silver bugs by the meteoric rise of the e-coins?

sirgonzo420
11th November 2013, 12:04 PM
I wonder how many younguns have been prevented from being gold and/or silver bugs by the meteoric rise of the e-coins?

Not too many.

Many original bitcoiners are goldbugs and freedom lovers.

There are younguns who have obtained masses of "e-coins" very cheaply, and are using them to purchase gold and silver.




Not long ago at all one could buy bitcoins for $1-$5 each.


Now, less than 4 of those same bitcoins will buy a 1 oz gold Krugerrand.

Horn
11th November 2013, 12:50 PM
Not too many.

Many original bitcoiners are goldbugs and freedom lovers.


Another purity thru diversity creature enters the arena, beware all ye E-mutant flakes who breech these walls.

so long to a second sub-divided thousandth point of light entered into the great abyss of nothingness.

Trust in me no more, for your line of salvation has been crossed and ever abandoned.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-0lGiLZj48

chad
11th November 2013, 12:59 PM
i'm going to take my account that liberty had me make and buy $10 of every coin out there. then i'm going to just leave the account alone for 5 years and see what happens.

Horn
11th November 2013, 01:30 PM
i'm going to take my account that liberty had me make and buy $10 of every coin out there. then i'm going to just leave the account alone for 5 years and see what happens.

Don't think any slight of hand is going to save you, chad, along with Franks and "only a roll of junk silver"

I see an E-mutant gook flake on my wire, I'm smokin it.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ed5_1287461175

chad
11th November 2013, 01:38 PM
Don't think any slight of hand is going to save you, chad, along with Franks and "only a roll of junk silver"

I see an E-mutant gook flake on my wire, I'm smokin it.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ed5_1287461175

yeah, i'm treating it as play money. the real wealth is in a pile of metal.

Neuro
11th November 2013, 02:50 PM
Don't fall for the divide and conquer tactics. It's all part of the WAR AGAINST FIAT! Hold strong no matter your FRN alternative!
Bitcoins are FIAT! They are not backed by anything...

Neuro
11th November 2013, 02:58 PM
Not too many.

Many original bitcoiners are goldbugs and freedom lovers.

There are younguns who have obtained masses of "e-coins" very cheaply, and are using them to purchase gold and silver.




Not long ago at all one could buy bitcoins for $1-$5 each.


Now, less than 4 of those same bitcoins will buy a 1 oz gold Krugerrand.
Yes, there are such cases, heavily marketed to draw in the resources of thousands for every such case. That is how the bubble is sustained. As it seems a large number of the participants at GSUS have been drawn in, and even in some cases starting to question gold and silver as the ultimate storage of wealth, I would think that it had a significant effect among the lesser of us who haven't reached the wisdom of the average GSUS'er in terms of the conspiracy against common man.

Ares
11th November 2013, 03:08 PM
Yes, there are such cases, heavily marketed to draw in the resources of thousands for every such case. That is how the bubble is sustained. As it seems a large number of the participants at GSUS have been drawn in, and even in some cases starting to question gold and silver as the ultimate storage of wealth, I would think that it had a significant effect among the lesser of us who haven't reached the wisdom of the average GSUS'er in terms of the conspiracy against common man.

No we just got tired of participating in a heavily manipulated market. I'll still buy gold and silver. But if shit hits the fan, I may just end up having to leave my physical supply here in the states. You think they're going to just let me walk across the border with ounces and ounces of precious metals? Hell good luck getting out of the country now with 10k in cash or more.

What you guys don't realize is what is driving bitcoins price increase. What really shot it off this year was the Cyrpus event. People start piling into Bitcoin because they know the government and banks can't confiscate it. Can you say that for your gold or silver? We've already had our own history show that they have, and will do so again if push comes to shove. Heads they win, tails you lose. I'm tired of playing a game that is stacked against me.

Bitcoins are not FIAT. Fiat is a legal tender law, you'll recognize FRN's because the government says so. They were backed by Silver certificates prior to Nixon and yet they were still a FIAT currency.

If you're going to preach that your elder and wiser, then at least get the word usage right.

Bitcoins may not have any backing whatsoever. But neither do FRN's or any other currency on the planet currently. The only thing that sets Bitcoins apart is that it is Stateless, no central bank can control it, and has a set number that will ever be in existence. A single coin can be divided 100,000,000 ways, so even if a single coin gets up into the trillions of market cap, they are divisible down to every day folks who work for a living.

With gold locked up in central bank vaults under the guise of "It's tradition" according to Ben Ben Bernanke, you're never going to get a system in this world outside of banker and government control. They hold all the keys, they control all the levers, and they have all the advantages of first market mover. EXCEPT, with digital currencies.

Horn
11th November 2013, 03:27 PM
I've made it across the border with close to a metric ton of silver. on successive trips.

Problem is trading it when I get here, I have to teach the natives what real freedom is.

They lost is when the Rothchild's arrived with paper, now we are losing it with Bitcoins.

Neuro
11th November 2013, 03:50 PM
Yes the Cyprus event was the triggering factor in setting off bitcoins. I don't think so. By then bitcoins had pretty much reached a critical mass, and certainly the confiscation pulled out there, triggered a lot of hype related to bitcoins, by its pundits, if you wanted to have your cash in the bank protected from confiscation all you need to do was take it out, anywhere but Cyprus really, that is the easiest solution, but people didn't choose that did they? Instead they went to buy bitcoins, which is much more difficult, for most. Really if you don't want to stay in your country in the future you should consider leaving now. Maybe later you have to be chipped to be able to leave? It ain't going to be any easier anyway. It may not be so easy to open a bank account in your new home country, how when will you transfer your bitcoin wealth to yourself? I just think bitcoin are not the slam dunk perfect currency it is marketed to be...

Horn
11th November 2013, 04:42 PM
The Cyprus event seems all too coincidental with the ripening of Bitcoin.

It would seem as if some natural human conspiracy had Cyprus been coordinated to occur between April 1 and the 11th

at the same time Bitcoin made its stunning commercial debut, and then we all joined into it like we did this site from GIM, between April 1 and the 11th

Uncle Salty
11th November 2013, 05:45 PM
BTC will go to the tens of thousands. Whether or not they will be spendable or redeemable is another question. Capital controls could kill it in the US, but the rest of the world loves Satoshi as the US dollar continues its decline as the world's reserve currency.

Horn
11th November 2013, 05:57 PM
BTC will go to the tens of thousands. Whether or not they will be spendable or redeemable is another question. Capital controls could kill it in the US, but the rest of the world loves Satoshi as the US dollar continues its decline as the world's reserve currency.

It isn't going to make any strides here too soon after the U.S. invaded Costa Rica back in May.


U.S. authorities revealed on Tuesday they have shut down a Costa Rica-based money transfer company that they said provided a digital currency system widely used around the world by cyber-criminals.

In a statement, officials said authorities in Spain, Costa Rica and New York arrested five people on Friday and seized bank accounts and Internet domains associated with the company, Liberty Reserve.

Costa Rican prosecutor José Pablo González said Liberty Reserve and related businesses were used to launder funds from child pornography websites and drug trafficking.

Digital currency is made up of transferable units that can be exchanged for cash. Over the past decade, its use has expanded, attracting attention from the media and Wall Street. The most widely known digital currency is Bitcoin. Liberty Reserve's currency was not connected to Bitcoin.


http://www.cnbc.com/id/100769961

My guess is they already have Bitcoin compromised or it too would have suffered the same fate early on.

They're just waiting to milk the juice out of everyone with their HSBC version.

mick silver
11th November 2013, 06:22 PM
gold an silver the only real money

sirgonzo420
11th November 2013, 06:26 PM
Yes, there are such cases, heavily marketed to draw in the resources of thousands for every such case. That is how the bubble is sustained. As it seems a large number of the participants at GSUS have been drawn in, and even in some cases starting to question gold and silver as the ultimate storage of wealth, I would think that it had a significant effect among the lesser of us who haven't reached the wisdom of the average GSUS'er in terms of the conspiracy against common man.

Neuro, some of us have been familiar with Bitcoin since the beginning, and have tried to discuss it here and have been ridiculed.

Bitcoins can buy lots of gold and silver.

Ares
11th November 2013, 06:33 PM
gold an silver the only real money

Agree 100%, but good luck getting TPTB to let go of the stranglehold they have over that highly sought after, highly valuable money.

Horn
11th November 2013, 07:55 PM
Neuro, some of us have been familiar with Bitcoin since the beginning, and have tried to discuss it here and have been ridiculed.

Maybe ridiculed for all its many, many, many, flaws of what you claim it to be, but never yet completely exorcized then ostracized.

1. Secure and anonymous: Week after week of some news piece of a place or person getting seized or robbed.

2. Stable as Currency: Weekly gyrations of 100% fold leading to pump and dump sales across the boards.

3. Good as Gold cryptography system and blockchain count: Recent study concludes that entire system could currently be compromised and sent reeling at any moment, bitcoin officials grumble for a reply and states "only a dishonest miner would do that"...geesh

Hitch
11th November 2013, 08:06 PM
Horn, you've proven to us all, you are the helmsman on watch. Maritime you do us proud, gold and silver.

A compass is a guide, a captain however..

Horn, I promote you from swab, to mate.

Horn
11th November 2013, 08:10 PM
Horn, you've proven to us all, you are the helmsman on watch. Maritime you do us proud, gold and silver.

A compass is a guide, a captain however..

Horn, I promote you from swab, to mate.

You know how I despise gratuity or promotion,

get rid of that ham of an avatar too, unless you plan on sailing some more silver to me...

Hitch
11th November 2013, 08:16 PM
You know how I despise gratuity or promotion,

get rid of that ham of an avatar too, unless you plan on sailing some more silver to me...

It is just an avatar. I don't plan on sailing any silver your way, you can piss off! When you relax and enjoy things again, let us all know...

Jewboo
11th November 2013, 08:25 PM
It is just an avatar.



http://thumbs2.picclick.com/d/w225/pict/130970418357.jpg

:rolleyes: kinda gay

Horn
11th November 2013, 08:34 PM
When you relax and enjoy things again, let us all know...

I'm always sincere, even when I may appear in writing not to be.

You probably should know that by now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPbEXzQPYAc

Hitch
11th November 2013, 08:50 PM
:rolleyes: kinda gay

I'm sure you are the only one on this site, who thinks that avatar is gay. Care to explain your thoughts? Does the patch over one eye challenge your manhood?

Hitch
11th November 2013, 08:52 PM
I'm always sincere, even when I may appear in writing not to be.

You probably should know that by now.

I do know that. I hope you don't take my posts as any form of disrespect.

sirgonzo420
11th November 2013, 10:19 PM
Maybe ridiculed for all its many, many, many, flaws of what you claim it to be, but never yet completely exorcized then ostracized.

1. Secure and anonymous: Week after week of some news piece of a place or person getting seized or robbed.

2. Stable as Currency: Weekly gyrations of 100% fold leading to pump and dump sales across the boards.

3. Good as Gold cryptography system and blockchain count: Recent study concludes that entire system could currently be compromised and sent reeling at any moment, bitcoin officials grumble for a reply and states "only a dishonest miner would do that"...geesh


You're right, Horn; I'm a dumbshit. If these bitcoins weren't so virtual I'd dump them in a lake because I'm such a retard for having them.

Buying something at $1 and holding onto it while the free market of the world says the item is worth $395 or over 1/4 oz of gold is just a dumb idea I guess. I should have sold when bitcoin reached $10, right?

I never said that Bitcoin is a perfect protocol, but there is tremendous utility and value in such a thing. I originally mentioned it, not just because of the novelty of crypto-currencies in general, but because it's a chance for someone to buy $25 worth of bitcoin, wait a year, and have $1,000 worth of bitcoin, or wait two years and have $1,000,000 worth of bitcoin. If you had bought $100 worth of BTC when I first brought it up on this forum, and held it until today, you could sell it for a shit ton more than $100 worth of gold.

I know you don't like Bitcoin, but you also do not understand it. This is painfully obvious from the fear in your posts.

Some people *do* understand Bitcoin, and are making fortunes out of it. They are not idiots. They are not traitors to gold and silver... in fact, many of them are multiplying their stacks of gold and silver with modest holdings of bitcoins.

Not long ago, I got a commission for bringing a $25,000 gold sale to a particular company (the customer purchased with bitcoin). The amount of my commission was $125. Instead of getting a check in the mail, I asked for bitcoin, and was sent $125 of BTC at that day's rate. Now what had been $125 is more like $500, because I chose to hold it in bitcoin, instead of FRNs. This happened just a couple months ago.

The free market is choosing bitcoin.... it's rise in price is due to the fact that people are choosing to exchange fiat, and goods and services for bitcoin.

Horn
11th November 2013, 11:29 PM
If you want it to even have a chance at becoming a valid currency or investment vehicle you wouldn't be promoting it as such anywhere, any flag that's raised above trench line level at this point is either compromised or taken down. I would do it here to protect my faith in silver, they out there to protect the FRN.

I would thank anyone for introducing it to me as a trade chip that's all.

As far as playing in it, or trying to make it more than it is, you're only self defeating it anyway, I could reply with some more snide comments here, but we are soldiers meeting at a halfway mark in the middle of the evening. Tidings Kentucky brother.

I will cut you down in the morning when crossing my path, Buddah.

Horn
11th November 2013, 11:55 PM
The free market is choosing bitcoin.... it's rise in price is due to the fact that people are choosing to exchange fiat, and goods and services for bitcoin.

Bullshit, on the goods and services portion. They are playing in it, and destroying it with dollars

Not that I care, but that's the case if anything.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht7mxF9XZiA

You'd have to be an E-mutant flake to believe anything otherwise. If it is because of an applied goods and services demand its shelf has probably less than I imagined at about 6 months left before becoming deflated out of existence.

It will not divide nearly as easily as you believe it will, trust me on that forecast.

See here I am trying to think of it more than it is because of your E-mutant flaking about it.

mick silver
12th November 2013, 06:01 AM
;D;D


bitcoins are fighting words this is were i draw the line

EE_
12th November 2013, 06:16 AM
What's to say a stuxnet type virus can't be incerted into bitcoin's code? The US/Israel government took down Iran's nuclear computers with one. Or is bitcoin invincible to computer viruses too?

I just saw the Winklevoss jew twins on CNBC. They said that bitcoin should be valued at 100X of where it is now. $359 X 100 = $35,900

EE_
12th November 2013, 06:58 AM
fiatleak - watch the world's currencies flow into BTC in realtime

http://fiatleak.com/

Horn
12th November 2013, 08:22 AM
I just saw the Winklevoss jew twins on CNBC. They said that bitcoin should be valued at 100X of where it is now. $359 X 100 = $35,900

Why gold was pinned at equiv. 35$ an oz. for all those years in its trade chip position.

Silver would've taken up root as the go to trade chip commonality.

Those guys are suicidal zionists., take care of them from the rear flank nest.

Ares
12th November 2013, 08:40 AM
Bullshit, on the goods and services portion. They are playing in it, and destroying it with dollars


Wrong again...... :rolleyes: Baidu accepts Bitcoins (China's google) and just for shits and giggles. Here's a "small" list of businesses that accept bitcoins for goods and services.

BTCWebhost.com - BTC Web Host is not just another fly by night web hosting company. We created BTC Web
ModifiedController.com - Modified Xbox controllers.
Pocket Artillery - Miniature REAL Cannons ***BOOM***
Alpaca Products for Bitcoins - alpaca socks
Babbletees - Design Savvy Science/Academic Based T-Shirts. Bitcoin accepted at checkout.
Heatslingers.com - 100% Authentic Nike Dunk SB, Air Force 1's, Air Jordans and Clothing. Accepts Bitcoin
R-Shirt - Accepts Bitcoins for geeky pirate R-Shirts.
7Del.net - Electronic Cigarettes
Pirates of Savannah - Website for historical adventure novel - ebooks and audio books for sale
Video Seconds - New DVD concerts, movies, select CD's and misc eclectic products. Ships International
posters of paintings - Artist Stefan Burger, Academic Painter, Nuremberg, Germany The paintings by the ge
Memory Dealers - Cisco Routers, Switches, Optical Transceivers, Memory, Networking Hardware & Cabl
bitcoinauction.us - Bid bitcoins to get some more bitcoins as a prize.
Happy Tree Cosmetics - Natural hand made cosmetics. Bitcoins are accepted on the main business page for gift
ottonormalo - we offer premium postcard, audio books and outstanding photography. German
cryptoanarchy.com - We sell embroidered polo shirts, bumper stickers, magnets and some computer component
TizzyTazzy - We are dedicated to providing high quality and affordable web hosting solutions world
CRON-O-Meter - CRON-O-Meter is a premium web application for tracking your nutrition and health data
camoList - VPN and SSH Tunnel provider accepting bitcoins via Mt.Gox. US and UK servers, no logs
bitmit - Biggest bitcoin user to user shopping marketplace (auction house and buy now)
FUSA - FUSA offers dedicated servers, virtual private servers and colocation for a competive
BTCInstant.com - We provide instant Virtual Master Cards sent to your email .
txt4coins.net - Worldwide SMS service. No registration, pay-per-use, bulk messages supported, full AP
MiniBits - Buy mini (micro) Bitcoins with PayPal. No fees to the buyer!
Mybitcointrade.com - The Bitcoin stock market On http://mybitcointrade.com/en you can register for free
NESTORGAMES - NESTORGAMES manufactures and sells physical board games worldwide in a nice portable
Shire Silver - Shire Silver makes physical precious metal easy to trade and handle. Embedding pure s
Stomp Romp Guitars - Stomp Romp is a pedalcentric guitar store in New Hampshire, USA. We ship worldwide.
Anonymous Ads - Unusual and transparent advertising network that doesn't collect personal data about
Stateless Sweets - Delectable homemade, all real ingredient candy, delivered to your home as a treat or
BitLasers - We sell handheld lasers and accessories for bitcoin.
Online-Tipjar - Find the project that you like and give it a tip/donation. Like Flattr but with Bitco
George's Famous Baklava - George's Famous Baklava has been baking and shipping baklava online since 2009. Avail
Coinabul - Coinabul - The first Gold to Bitcoin marketplace. We sell gold and silver for Bitcoin
Bitcoincommodities.com - Buy Gold and Silver for Bitcoin. Get paid in Gold and Silver for your Bitcoin Miners!
Bits For Coins - Quality Dedicated Servers, VPS, VPNs and seedboxes.
HowToTeachEnglishOnline.com - Discover how to teach English online and make money. The e-book will show you how to
ClintonCharlie - Designer Jeans labels now accepting BTC payment! All jeans are designed and manufactu
Escape To Life - Private Swiss detox clinic. Rapid, gentle and discreet 5-day escape from painkillers.
Lakota Hosting - Lakota Hosting offers web hosting for the average person. With fast, friendly, U.S.-b
BitcoinAg - Purchase silver from BitcoinAg and receive it straight to your door within 5 business
Dashing Valet Dry Cleaning - Dry cleaning delivery service
Guerilla Packs - Great backpacks
Eastern Mountain Sports -
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Minethings.com - Minethings.com is a fun online game that pits you against people around the world to
Volternal Consulting - Volternal Consulting is an IT Consulting firm that specializes in using Free, Libre,
Real G&G - Here you can convert bitcoins to what ever you like
fiveminutecoin - Get free bitcoins or advertise cheap with the instant advertising feature.
Bitcoin Magazine - Bitcoin Magazine is an international distributed print publication covering all econo
Vaper's Mark - Vaper's Mark is an electronic cigarette company that makes premium e-liquid and woode
thebitcointshirtcompany - QuailitytshirtsforBitcoins Small range of bitcoin tshirts, more to come ;]
BitJack21 - Bitcoin blackjack
BitcoinAdvertisers.com - Advertise for bitcoins
BitcoinNetworks.com - Bitcoin hosting and cloud
Bitronic Technologies - Bitronic Technologies now accepts bitcoins as a payment method. You can now buy domai
Bitronic Technologies Web Hosting - Bitronic Technologies accepts bitcoins as a payment method. Now you can buy domain na
XSNL.NET Internet Services - Get your own webhosting for bitcoins. Send us an e-mail with your request, and we wil
honestbeef - Selling Australian grass feed beef direct from the farmer. Transparent pricing and bu
MyDogtag.com - Design and order your own custom Dog Tags with the online Dogtag Generator! Pay with
Qiqqa - Qiqqa is free research management software. You can purchase Premium membership using
North Outboards - We mainly sell used boat parts, but we sell anything. We will accept bitcoins and wil
SuperSeedbox.co.uk - Seedbox and dedicated server provider.
Mach 1 Web Design - Whether you prefer to create a website yourself, or let us create one for you, Mach 1
CISTHENE - https://www.cisthene.com/about "Jewelry is personal. Some, such as myself, could argu
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Now go down that list, and see how many are exchanging survival supplies, gold and silver for bitcoins. The answer may surprise you.

Ares
12th November 2013, 08:46 AM
What's to say a stuxnet type virus can't be incerted into bitcoin's code? The US/Israel government took down Iran's nuclear computers with one. Or is bitcoin invincible to computer viruses too?

Because you can't infect a protocol. At least I've never seen it take place. A protocol is a set of standards and procedures that MUST be followed in order for it to viable means of communication between 2 computers. There really isn't anything to infect.

Horn
12th November 2013, 08:54 AM
All = approx. 2% velocity on the disposable trade chip aka; Bitcoin

Jackass

Ares
12th November 2013, 08:56 AM
All = approx. 2% velocity on the disposable trade chip aka; Bitcoin

Jackass

You said no one was accepting bitcoin for goods and services.


Jackass, proven wrong yet again.

2% still not bad for a currency that's only 4 years old.

It also has a 4.5 Billion FRN market cap. Also not bad for a 4 year old currency.

https://blockchain.info/charts/market-cap

Let's put this into perspective for you, since you definitely have a hard time following along. The U.S. Dollar has a 70 Trillion (with a T) global market cap. Even IF Bitcoin get's a small percentage of that, anyone who owns a single coin is looking at being a wealthy individual if they got in early enough.

I hope to buy enough Gold and Silver with Bitcoins that Scrooge Mcduck will look like a pauper.

Horn
12th November 2013, 09:07 AM
You said no one was accepting bitcoin for goods and services..

No I said that gonzo was futicacka, for including it as any evidence to apparent demand.

Satoshi would've been better off supplying them all at once, or inflating them over 4 years, not 140.

But we're here to put it out of its misery, and quickly.

Sparky
12th November 2013, 09:15 AM
Ares, if the integrity of a currency is determined by the number of retailers by whom it is accepted, I'll remind you that the corresponding retailer list for FRNs would overwhelm the posting capacity of this forum.

Ares
12th November 2013, 09:18 AM
Ares, if the integrity of a currency is determined by the number of retailers by whom it is accepted, I'll remind you that the corresponding retailer list for FRNs would overwhelm the posting capacity of this forum.

Yep, but an FRN has a 100+ year history. It was also the model used that became a global reserve currency. But it's been abused for power and control. It's losing its luster.

Now compare that to a currency that's only 4 years old. Is easier to transfer, less fees, and requires no bank to transfer via domestic or international. Which one is more attractive to do business with?

Horn
12th November 2013, 09:19 AM
I hope to buy enough Gold and Silver with Bitcoins that Scrooge Mcduck will look like a pauper.

Ps. drop the act, and pick a side.

You're either for E-terror and turning PMs into an industrial only material.

Or you're with the Silver Knights,

if you choose to be a double agent milking man to supply us, state it clearly for GSUS licensing purposes you will be given exception, but watched very closely.

Ares
12th November 2013, 09:26 AM
Ps. drop the act, and pick a side.

You're either for E-terror and turning PMs into an industrial only material.

Or you're with the Silver Knights,

if you choose to be a double agent milking man to supply us, state it clearly for GSUS licensing purposes you will be given exception, but watched very closely.

Horn,

You don't dictate shit to me, or anyone. I can do what I want. You'll either get over it, or you won't. I don't give a shit either way. You can Shut the fuck up at any time. Your ignorance has been spewed out on multiple areas of the site. Yeah we get it, you don't like digital currencies. But your pompous self absorbed absurdity knows no bounds when you tell someone to pick a side.

You know less than jack shit and it's fucking comical when you blast your idiocy and demand that I take a side.

Fuck you, I've picked my side. I'll use Bitcoins to pay for gold and silver as a safe haven and storage of wealth. You got a problem with it? Then just fuck off.

Horn
12th November 2013, 09:39 AM
Fuck you, I've picked my side. I'll use Bitcoins to pay for gold and silver as a safe haven and storage of wealth. You got a problem with it? Then just fuck off.

I will excuse the the charges of ignorance, and accept this statement (including all the huffy parts) as dually noted towards licensing application.

But only because I like you.

Now go pedal your E-coin flakes elsewhere need be.

Ares
12th November 2013, 09:46 AM
I will excuse the the charges of ignorance, and accept this statement (including all the huffy parts) as dually noted towards licensing application.

But only because I like you.

Forgive some of the profanities.... Just get pissed off when I keep reading the same thing after multiple attempts from me as well as other forum members to show why Bitcoins and other crypto-currencies can be a viable alternative. I much prefer Gold and Silver over anything else. My plan is to purchase said gold and silver using crypto currencies. You can't beat a 5000 year history of value. But TPTB have locked up vast quantities of it and I'm guessing at any time they will use it to introduce a gold back global monetary system to replace the dollar. They'll use it to give you pennies on the dollar of whatever fiat money you had in the bank, and anyone will be forced into accepting it or starve and not able to purchase items and materials for daily living with out it. Surely your familiar with Cash For Gold stands peppered all over the U.S., Follow the money. Gold gets sucked out of the economy more so that way than any confiscation in the history of man. People need items and materials for living in the modern age, and will cash in gold or silver to procure those items. Generally those places will pay spot, and will sell it to a refiner and a portion of that goes into larger bars only to be sold to the very people we despise for worthless fiat.

While digital currencies are not ideal or in line with how I wish the system would work, it does offer every day working people a medium of exchange without control of a bank, or a government. Contrary to belief they do NOT like digital currencies. The U.S. is still oblivious to it, the senate is just now getting around to having meetings about it, while Canada has closed bank accounts of people suspected of dealing with Bitcoins. Thailand's central bank has out right banned Bitcoin use within their country, so it happens in face to face transactions now.

I see it as a viable alternative, but as well as a means to an end to procure additional physical precious metal assets.

Whether precious metals, or digital currencies. We're all on the same side. We do not want others to interfere or control our mediums of exchange or tax the living shit out of our transactions.

Dogman
12th November 2013, 09:58 AM
Some here seem to want to cling to their cryptocurrency with a death grip, one coin at a time. Probably because they can be used in more mortar and stone stores and or businesses in teepees, other than speculation.

For example!

Cosmetic surgery for Bitcoins: Elite Body Sculpture is accepting cryptocurrency


Welcome the first cosmetic surgery center to join the Bitcoin universe. Elite Body Sculpture (http://www.elitebodysculpture.com/), with centers in Beverly Hills and Sacramento, has recently started accepting digital coins as payment for cosmetic surgery. Elite Body Sculpture, founded by the cosmetic surgeon Aaron Rollins, “is excited to be the very first cosmetic surgery center to accept this form of cutting edge payment”, stated a note recently sent to Bitcoin Examiner. The company is using the payment processing platform BitPay to handle their new Bitcoin business.

(snip) http://bitcoinexaminer.org/costemic-surgery-for-bitcoins-elite-body-sculpture-is-accepting-cryptocurrency/


5656


Ponce got it right the first time....

5657

Horn
12th November 2013, 10:32 AM
I see it as a viable alternative, but as well as a means to an end to procure additional physical precious metal assets.

Understood, Ares.

I see Bitcoin as an introduced threat to PMs. based on the same long view history. I know, I probably sound as ignorant to you as you do to me. their structure just doesn't seem quite right to me, no amount of convincing or dissection will change that at this point.

If you valued your Bitcoins you'd only promote them so far as they remain floating by creating some service that accepts them. Without anything but as an alternative they would only increase their early demise, imo.

Otherwise I'm forced to cut you down just based upon your featherlight disposable intrinsic value.

Don't remain torn too long, brother. I'll pick you off just to put you out of your misery.

mick silver
12th November 2013, 11:20 AM
gold an silver to the moon

Sparky
12th November 2013, 12:09 PM
I think both point and counterpoint have validity. Ares is claiming that bitcoins are another state-independent alternative, which provide some redundancy in the event that precious metals manipulation continues indefinitely, or irreparably. Horn is claiming that they represent yet another misdirection (like fiat) away from unadulterated money, and a distraction for those who need to be enlightened about precious metals. Although I appreciate the former, my heart lies with the latter.

Sparky
12th November 2013, 12:20 PM
Here's something else about bitcoins that needs defending: Although most FRNs move around the financial system in digital form, they are readily convertible to something you can hold in your hand (paper) at any one of 2.2 million ATM locations across the globe, and in reasonably small denominations ($10/$20). Add to that tens of thousands of banks where a real person will convert your digits to tangible assets down to the penny.

Of course, gold and silver offer this same type of tangible "you-hold-it-you-own-it" security.

What is the bitcoin equivalent? My understanding is that there is some physical representation. What fraction total bitcoin value exists in physical form? Are they readily available? In small denominations? Would my retailer who accepts a digital exchange also accept a physical exchange?

Neuro
12th November 2013, 12:26 PM
The manipulation of gold and silver price will end as soon as Dollar collapses. Dollar is the ultimate paper market making all other paper markets ultimately dependent on value of dollar for their existence, no more dollar= no more manipulation games. Buy gold and silver now while its price is artificially low...

Ares
12th November 2013, 12:29 PM
What is the bitcoin equivalent? My understanding is that there is some physical representation. What fraction total bitcoin value exists in physical form? Are they readily available? In small denominations? Would my retailer who accepts a digital exchange also accept a physical exchange?

Bitcoin is purely digital, that much is correct. But it can be easily converted into any currency on the planet. There are exchanges on almost every continent in the world where you can buy and sell Bitcoins. If you buy you are converting fiat to bitcoin. If you sell, you're converting Bitcoins to fiat. Since the currency is still regarded as being in it's infancy there isn't a lot of ATM's yet that can utilized to "cash out" or "buy in" in bitcoin. But there are businesses sprouting up to fill that demand. There is also a payment processing service called Bitpay that will process bitcoin transactions for you or the service provider and either have them receive cash for the bitcoin payment, or keep the payment they received in Bitcoin. It's totally up to them on what they want to do. They charge a much smaller fee than credit card processors.

Case in point - https://bitcoinatm.com/

That's just one of about half a dozen working on getting their product to market. I like it because for example, if you and I decided to do a business transaction, there is no middle man. You don't need to accept visa, mastercard, or even a wire transfer with ridiculous fee's attached to it. You give me your public cryptographic address, and I send you what you believe to be a fair market value for the item you're selling. You could be my next door neighbor, clear across the country, or on the other side of the world. It doesn't matter where you're at.

That's really what it all boils down to in the long run. Cannot be duplicated, easy to spend / receive, and no one else has their fingers in the transaction. Just 2 parties conducting commerce using a digital medium of exchange. You can can take the Bitcoins that you received, either cash out to Fiat, Gold, Silver etc. Or sit on it and just let it grow in value as it gains wider adoption. That is why we like gold and silver isn't it? It's a natural deflationary currency because it has a finite supply.

You aren't punished for holding on to it like you are with fiat currency. The beauty is, the currency doesn't require being borrowed into existence to maintain a semblance of value. The value is it's ease of being able to transcend borders without penalty, being virtually unable to be duplicated, and once you get the hang of it, extremely easy to use and convert into fiat, of your choice.

sirgonzo420
12th November 2013, 12:30 PM
Here's something else about bitcoins that needs defending: Although most FRNs move around the financial system in digital form, they are readily convertible to something you can hold in your hand (paper) at any one of 2.2 million ATM locations across the globe, and in reasonably small denominations ($10/$20). Add to that tens of thousands of banks where a real person will convert your digits to tangible assets down to the penny.

Of course, gold and silver offer this same type of tangible "you-hold-it-you-own-it" security.

What is the bitcoin equivalent? My understanding is that there is some physical representation. What fraction total bitcoin value exists in physical form? Are they readily available? In small denominations? Would my retailer who accepts a digital exchange also accept a physical exchange?


"Paper wallets" also known as "cold storage". Here is an example: https://bitcoinpaperwallet.com/

There are also these, if you trust the maker (he is a trustworthy enough guy, but I only hold a couple coins that he made... he could in theory be keeping copies of the private keys, although I doubt it):

https://lh3.ggpht.com/-WbUR2VZC51Q/T6iBLuZSngI/AAAAAAAAAD4/rsmfkWsRBnE/s1600/btcpile1.jpg

He has also minted gold and silver versions, with bitcoin private keys hidden underneath a tamper-evident seal.


But there are now smartphone apps that can scan/spend private keys, so instead of giving someone a paper wallet with a private key to which you have had access, you could easily send those same bitcoins to an address that corresponds to a private key that only they control.

Part of the allure of the idea of Bitcoin, is the fact that it can be "in the air".

You could convert gold/silver/cash to bitcoin, and carry the value across borders with a sufficiently strong passphrase in your head.

With bitcoin, one can control value to an extent never before possible. It is non-material, programmable Internet money, and it is catching on.

Horn
12th November 2013, 01:17 PM
Part of the allure of the idea of Bitcoin, is the fact that it can be "in the air". ... gratuitous bolony...

You could convert gold/silver/cash to bitcoin, and carry the value across borders with a sufficiently strong passphrase in your head.

With bitcoin, one can control value to an extent never before possible. It is non-material, programmable Internet money, and it is catching on.

What the conspirator's term for including 90% truth and 10% misdirection again, Limited Hangout?

Just call it a limited hangout investment Moneygram without the fees, and you'll get it about dead center.

Due to its lack of intrinsic value, which is 0%. The utility portion at 100%

http://global.moneygram.com/cr/en

All in all something that could blown away (if made in physical form) as a target on the shooting range.

What we need is more precisions shooters, Sparky.

5658

next victim of his own sleepy consciousness...

Serpo
12th November 2013, 01:25 PM
A Bitcoin Exchange Holding $US4.1 Million For 1,000 Customers Has Simply Vanished

Jim Edwards (http://www.businessinsider.com.au/author/jim-edwards) Today at 12:41 AM 1 (http://www.businessinsider.com.au/bitcoin-exchange-gbl-holding-41-billion-vanishes-2013-11#comments) 2 (http://www.businessinsider.com.au/bitcoin-exchange-gbl-holding-41-billion-vanishes-2013-11#social)
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A Chinese Bitcoin exchange that held up to $US4.1 million in users’ accounts has gone offline (http://www.coindesk.com/4-1m-goes-missing-chinese-bitcoin-trading-platform-gbl-vanishes/) and everyone involved with it has vanished, according to CoinDesk.
The GBL exchange claimed to be based in Hong Kong but turns out to have been headquartered in mainland China. The Hong Kong Standard reports (http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?we_cat=2&art_id=139428&sid=40855704&con_type=1&d_str=20131111&fc=10):
The company appears to have launched in May 2013, with its domain btc-glb.com registered on 9th May and a post later that month by Bitcoin Talk forum user zhaoxianpeng promoting the site.
Some mainlanders went to the IFC office listed on its website, but this turned out to be a false address.
Fourteen of them made a report to the Hong Kong police.

WantChinaTimes notes that GBL had not obtained (http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20131105000045&cid=1202) any of the usual business licenses required to operate a financial services company. Bitcoin banks and exchanges have a habit of disappearing, the WCT says:
Research conducted by Southern Methodist University assistant professor Tyler Moore and Carnegie Mellon University assistant professor Nicolas Christin found that 18 of the 40 Bitcoin trading platforms set up in the past three years had closed, including TradeHill, which was once the second largest in terms of transaction volume.
Moreover, 13 of the discontinued services closed without any prior notice, while the remaining five were forced to shut down following hacker attacks. Only six of them were known to have offered refunds to users.

Business Insider noted just a few days ago that an Australian Bitcoin bank, “Tradefortress,” closed with $US1 million in Bitcoin funds missing (http://www.businessinsider.com.au/1-million-bitcoin-theft-in-australia-2013-11).
The bank turned out to be operated by an 18-year-old boy who lived in a block of apartments in Hornsby, a suburb of Sydney.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/bitcoin-exchange-gbl-holding-41-billion-vanishes-2013-11







(http://www.businessinsider.com.au/bitcoin-exchange-gbl-holding-41-billion-vanishes-2013-11)18-Year-Old Reports $US1 Million Bitcoin Theft From 'Bank' He Controlled -- And Says He Can't Call The Cops Jim Edwards (http://www.businessinsider.com.au/author/jim-edwards) Nov 9 2013, 1:24 AM (http://www.businessinsider.com.au/1-million-bitcoin-theft-in-australia-2013-11#comments) 1 (http://www.businessinsider.com.au/1-million-bitcoin-theft-in-australia-2013-11#social)
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An 18-year-old Australian says that he has had
$1 million in Bitcoin stolen from the Bitcoin “bank” he was running (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-08/bitcoin-site-hacked-founder-says/5078148), but he cannot go to the police because he worries that giving authorities the keys to investigate the case is the same as giving them control of the money itself, according to ABC Australia.
The man ran a Bitcoin bank called Tradefortress (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-08/bitcoin-site-hacked-founder-says/5078148).
Bitcoin transactions cannot be reversed if the receiving party doesn’t agree to the refund. ABC noted (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-08/bitcoin-site-hacked-founder-says/5078148):

The bitcoin transaction trail is designed to be anonymous, which has led to speculation this was an inside job and that TradeFortress took the coins for himself.
But when asked by the ABC’s AM he strenuously denied those accusations, and said that despite his $US1 million loss he is unlikely to report the theft to the police.
“The police don’t have access to any more information than any user does when it comes to bitcoin. Some say it gives them control of their money,” TradeFortress said.
The Sydney Morning Herald reports that Tradefortress operated out of computers located in this apartment building in Hornsby, New South Wales:
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It is possible to steal Bitcoin — an online currency that uses an uncrackable cryptography to make itself permanent — but it is difficult to hide the money afterward. Wired notes (http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/08/bitocoin_anonymity/):

Bitcoin trades are public: all transactions are shared in a publicly available file called the Blockchain that’s posted to the Bitcoin peer-to-peer network.
That public ledger makes it pretty tough for big-time criminals to launder money through the network. At least that’s what researchers at the University of California and George Mason University found when they studied the Bitcoin network by developing sophisticated tools to track how money was moving around it.
Meiklejohn and her fellow researchers tried some of those services out — sites with names like Bitcoin Laundry and Bitmix — and they report some pretty rough experiences. One service didn’t work. It simply returned the same Bitcoins, un-laundered.
Another service stole their money.
Nonetheless, Bitcoin theft is common enough to be a phenomenon with a history. Here is a site dedicated to tracking major Bitcoin thefts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83794.0).


http://www.businessinsider.com.au/1-million-bitcoin-theft-in-australia-2013-11 (http://www.businessinsider.com.au/bitcoin-exchange-gbl-holding-41-billion-vanishes-2013-11)

Horn
12th November 2013, 01:32 PM
A Bitcoin Exchange Holding $US4.1 Million For 1,000 Customers Has Simply Vanished


Wait for it,,,,

standard reply,,,

that don't matter those coins are still out there somewhere in cyberspace...

waiting to be made into clone chips for target practice at the shooting range.

21million clone chip targets supplied until 2140, after that you gotta go back to using water balloons. Oh the lead poisoning...

Serpo
12th November 2013, 02:05 PM
CASH..............
http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/3832/images/32gg.JPG

sirgonzo420
12th November 2013, 02:09 PM
Wait for it,,,,

standard reply,,,

that don't matter those coins are still out there somewhere in cyberspace...

waiting to be made into clone chips for target practice at the shooting range.

21million clone chip targets supplied until 2140, after that you gotta go back to using water balloons. Oh the lead poisoning...

People don't steal shit that they deem worthless....


Bitcoin thefts prove that criminals think that bitcoins have value.

Horn
12th November 2013, 02:16 PM
People don't steal shit that they deem worthless....


Bitcoin thefts prove that criminals think that bitcoins have value.

keyword, think We're getting closer to truth.

As they've yet to discover the myriad of other blades of cryptobliss available in a directly transferable Lite, Shit and World.

I imagine they could steal all the figurative blades of grass off their neighbors lawn in a SIMS game too.

Oh but Satoshi's blades of grass are finer in some twisted Non-Proprietary/proprietary sense of feely touchy nothingness.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPoiv0sZ4s4

Lite, Shit and World will be the divisions you so long for to receive in the figurative and literal sense.

Next victim of his own swirling Bitcentralized feces.

mick silver
12th November 2013, 02:20 PM
so they steal Bitcoin and turn them into usa paper bucks then buy gold an silver ............. yahoooooooooooo

mick silver
12th November 2013, 02:21 PM
wait wait wait .... did you hear that .......... there gone

Ares
12th November 2013, 02:36 PM
wait wait wait .... did you hear that .......... there gone

Yep, just like the "money" Corzine "lost" from MF Global.

yet you have faith in fiat, and can't recognize a robbery when one takes place in a currency outside your paradigm?

Was the problem the theft of the currency, or was it with the institution or the person behind said institution?

But by all means, keep grasping at straws. I love laughing at the irony.

Horn
12th November 2013, 02:51 PM
yet you have faith in fiat,

Don't let them get you excited by putting words in your mouth, mick.

You're the mortar crew, keep a level head and the shells coming.

Ares
12th November 2013, 03:00 PM
Don't let them get you excited by putting words in your mouth, mick.

You're the mortar crew, keep a level head and the shells coming.

And what would you do if someone broke into your house and stole your precious metals? Would you go to an insurance company and file a claim? They would give you fiat would they not for the spot price value that was taken? That is if they would even give you fiat to begin with. Some insurance companies won't as it would require a separate policy to "protect" precious metals like gold and silver.

The same thing goes, once it's stolen it's gone unless you can track the person down and beat it out of them.

Horn
12th November 2013, 03:08 PM
Which is harder to know for the entire world,

When someone's home at my house, or when Ares plugs his unencrypted wallet into the pier?

Ares
12th November 2013, 03:12 PM
Which is harder to know for the entire world,

When someone's home at my house, or when Ares plugs his unencrypted wallet into the pier?

Which is why I would never plug my unencrypted wallet anywhere. :)

But yes, instead of a home robbery where the thief is most likely local. The entire planet becomes a hiding place.

Horn
12th November 2013, 03:26 PM
Which is why I would never plug my unencrypted wallet anywhere. :)

Begs the question of who you're protecting with that condom encryption.

Thinking you're own religion works against you there... to protect me.

Enough time thinking, back to scalping heathens.

drafter
12th November 2013, 04:17 PM
I think we all agree that gold and silver is the historical basis of most currencies but I really don't see the harm in diversifying in whatever means of exchange there is out there. Salt, shells, chickens and goats...just another means of trade in step with the times. Goats get sick, "paper" money burns, shit happens, oh well. Nothing in this world is perfect.

Horn
12th November 2013, 05:09 PM
I think we all agree that gold and silver is the historical basis of most currencies but I really don't see the harm in diversifying in whatever means of exchange there is out there. Salt, shells, chickens and goats...just another means of trade in step with the times. Goats get sick, "paper" money burns, shit happens, oh well. Nothing in this world is perfect.

IMO What we don't need right now in the world is a currency with less intrinsic value, not that a gold backed one is needed but at least a silver one would do, or fiat controlled by the people. Currently its backed by burning oil and spilling blood, that's gotta change.

The current world has become mostly disposeable due to the existing disposable paradigm. E-flakes are an enabler of the same disposable 0% intrinsic mathematically driven less human input sentiment.

Not at all attractive to me, and something I'd fight to keep my son from having to deal with in his world. I want his to be a 100% value enriched world, with attention given to good design detail and sustainability, it should only come from a 100% intrinsic value or human driven sentiment, not math and convenience.

In an E-world silver and gold may simply slip into nothingness, with trees and paper being what backs them.

Uncle Salty
12th November 2013, 06:22 PM
I think we all agree that gold and silver is the historical basis of most currencies but I really don't see the harm in diversifying in whatever means of exchange there is out there. Salt, shells, chickens and goats...just another means of trade in step with the times. Goats get sick, "paper" money burns, shit happens, oh well. Nothing in this world is perfect.

Gold will return to its store of value function and the world will continue to use fiat and digital money for medium of exchange. They will all float against gold.

Pretty simple. Pick you medium of exchange for transactions and gold for wealth preservation. Ride the fiat waves as you wish.

Satoshi FTW!!

Hitch
12th November 2013, 07:44 PM
Gold will return to its store of value function and the world will continue to use fiat and digital money for medium of exchange. They will all float against gold.

Pretty simple. Pick you medium of exchange for transactions and gold for wealth preservation. Ride the fiat waves as you wish.

Satoshi FTW!!

I was thinking the exact same thing. Gold and silver for wealth preservation, fiat and e-coins for exchange transactions.

One thing about e-currencies, that bitcoin proved, is that they have the upside to increasing in value. Fiat never does! Score 1 for e-coins, as volatile as they are, seems they can be a great vehicle for exchange and transactions.

sirgonzo420
12th November 2013, 08:22 PM
IMO What we don't need right now in the world is a currency with less intrinsic value, not that a gold backed one is needed but at least a silver one would do, or fiat controlled by the people. Currently its backed by burning oil and spilling blood, that's gotta change.

The current world has become mostly disposeable due to the existing disposable paradigm. E-flakes are an enabler of the same disposable 0% intrinsic mathematically driven less human input sentiment.

Not at all attractive to me, and something I'd fight to keep my son from having to deal with in his world. I want his to be a 100% value enriched world, with attention given to good design detail and sustainability, it should only come from a 100% intrinsic value or human driven sentiment, not math and convenience.

In an E-world silver and gold may simply slip into nothingness, with trees and paper being what backs them.

"human driven sentiment" created and sustains Bitcoin. It's a voluntary, free-market deal. You don't like bitcoins... fine; don't have any, and refuse them if offered. Other people will appreciate the concept, and will deal with them as they see fit.

Not sure what your problem with math is....

And convenience... are you Amish, horn?


By the way, people who like bitcoin like gold and silver, but not everybody who likes gold and silver likes bitcoin. The fact is, for the Internet, Bitcoin as a protocol is the closest thing to gold and silver that there is. One who has bitcoin does not just throw away anything physical....

What did you think about the 8-page whitepaper on bitcoin, which is the basis for the whole thing? You've read it, right?

Otherwise, you talking about bitcoin without even reading the most basic, introductory essay is kinda like me talking about what a shithole faggy country Costa Rica is, when I've never even been there.

Horn
12th November 2013, 09:25 PM
What did you think about the 8-page whitepaper on bitcoin, which is the basis for the whole thing? You've read it, right?

Otherwise, you talking about bitcoin without even reading the most basic, introductory essay is kinda like me talking about what a shithole faggy country Costa Rica is, when I've never even been there.

You speak of Bitcoin like it will somehow remain independent of all the other spinoffs. It will not, there will be a mash. Some will/may likely blend right together in so that you pay 33bits and 22 lites.

All this is culminating into the "quality" of your currency. Its has a large effect on humans and how they value their money.

Remember back to when you held your first half dollar... or even ponder at the seals of the FRN for that matter this is what I am talking about. That value that was instilled early on will be lost and is lost now on FRNs for the most part due to all the plastic and digital, it meant something to hold it, value it in the physical world.

This equates into the disposable world aspect I am talking about. You may think its insignificant, but its very important in my view.And the world's whether they know it or not.

But then again we're speaking as if E-flakes are a money, which they are not. Due to the intrinsic 0% Being as you now know at any moment their blockchain could become compromised more like -1% throw your flashdrive silicon wafer out the window. Or do you marvel at its smooth plastic sheath were it says made in china?

Currency mandated by the people may also take on a more quality feeling just due to the social importance and interaction with pride. Math driven digits from some phantom on a LCD not for me.

ximmy
12th November 2013, 11:10 PM
What's cool about bitcoin is they can't be stolen or lost... (insert rollyeyes here)

Horn
12th November 2013, 11:21 PM
What's cool about bitcoin is they can't be stolen or lost... (insert rollyeyes here)

Well its what's currently powering the entire "cashless society" conspiracy.

Pretty soon we won't need money at all, just our EBT cards. Yippie Hippies! :rolleyes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgW7qBDGrmE

Uncle Salty's Age Aquarius has arrived, try not to drown.

Horn
12th November 2013, 11:38 PM
Oh but we'd still have our gold and silver in the "cashless society" those should be super effectivo...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=RDzgW7qBDGrmE&v=80tX5MLX8QY

as they are such already [sarc off]

The cashless society, where real money is the biggest joke of the century.

Mouse
13th November 2013, 12:00 AM
BTC or any other digital currency is NO DIFFERENT than an FRN. They are all digital at this point. So fucking whining about whose credits you use is irrelevant. They are all fucking bitcoins, credits, chips, whatever you want to call them. The only fucking real thing is gold/silver and I would strongly question that presumption. If you are arguing that BTC is no better than FRN you are mistaken, in that the fucking squid doesn't get his cut on BTC. The squid is very unhappy. Usury and greed by normal fucking asswits aside, the BTC is way better as the FED, The IMF, The fucking Basel assholes, and all the other lackey (EU, Japs, AU, CA) fucking crown/roman sun worshipping fuckers can go eat a can of shit. That's the fucking point. We can still be greedy, evil fucking human animals and we still have the free-will to choose how we will worship the fucking TOP..

They will still be up there.

But I like the idea of sticking a hot poker up their coke hole once in a while. This one has caught them by surprise, I believe an attack is in order.

The real problem is greed. It can be transferred from FRN, to GLD, to physical whatever; it is greed. The systemic greed derivative known as systematic wide usury is so far beyond the hyperkitty "cunting down tree's" that I can hardly get wood for the concept.

The BTC is a more pure way to express our greed without the "kitten fuckers" getting their can of wet. We are still all greedy human wanna-be spirits.

There is that other guy....he had some good ideas.

He had a lot to say...he had a lot of nothing to say. We'll miss him.

Yeah they fucking killed his ass. Who do you want to believe, the Truth or the Lie?

BTC, Litecoin, whatever it is coin, is better than sucking Satan's dick, but you are still his whore.

Who do you want to believe? Where does the real wealth come from? Who the fuck do you think you are?

"The top fucks kittens that the bottom masturbates into existence"

Horn
13th November 2013, 12:13 AM
Usury turns into rape when you don't know who's screwin ya.

Hence the phantom in machine, Satoshi.

Mouse
13th November 2013, 12:38 AM
Rape is rape. WWJD?

Yeah, that.

Go ahead and make some think-positive ignore the negative story.

The bottom lives off the yield of the kittens.
The more kittens produced the more kittens they can fuck.
Each kitten fucked produces about 9 more fucking kittens.
The bottom masturbates as hard as it can, but can only kill one kitten per masturbation
and the Intarwebs tell you if you masterbate, a kitten dies
The penultimate super-realization of the mathematics gone wild
Is that there are only two titties per humanoid. There are 3.5 billion masturbating humans (at least) killing kittens
The top likes to suck the bottom off, so they have their own deflation of masturbation risk
The dorito's we are feeding them don't lend well to producing large amounts of kittens
If the kittens are not produced in a large enough amount, we will all starve
And if we are all starving, we will have to eat pussy
but since the top sucks from the bottom, we will have to simultaneously eat pussy, get sucked off, and masturbate to produce new kittens
And once the Truth becomes aware of the kittens, and have to accept the kitten derivitave space-flight homo-elongation relation
The Truth defeats itself and becomes the truth-beating reality new Truth that you all depend upon for you kitten fucking extravaganza
So then.....

We have the top fucking the bottom of the top of the bottom to get the kittens to suck the pussy of the bottom for the top as the top refuses to acknowledge that the motherfuckers are outside with guns and rope.

"The top fucks kittens that the bottom masturbates into existence"

mick silver
13th November 2013, 03:45 AM
i have faith in the silver an gold that fiat buy me not the fiat itself

Horn
13th November 2013, 12:19 PM
GanjaClaus (http://www.youtube.com/user/GanjaClaus?feature=watch) version


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T4BUzzUJNg

Horn
14th November 2013, 10:38 AM
Go ahead and make some think-positive ignore the negative story.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdkdQtlF-RU

Horn
28th November 2013, 02:06 PM
Sanitizing Bitcoin: This Company Wants To Track 'Clean' Bitcoin Accounts



http://b-i.forbesimg.com/kashmirhill/files/2013/11/Coin-Validation-300x189.jpg

Alex Waters, Matt Mellon, and Yifu Guo, of Coin Validation

You can add Matt Mellon, descendant of the famed banking family, to the ranks of the Bitcoin believers. The 49-year-old former chairman for the New York Republican Party’s Finance Committee decided in April that he wanted to get in on the Bitcoin frenzy and called the Winklevoss twins for advice. They linked him up with Alex Waters, a former core Bitcoin developer and the then chief technology officer of Bitinstant, the currently-defunct exchange into which the twins invested $1.5 million. Waters instructed Mellon to buy a new Apple laptop, buy his Bitcoin and then put them into cold storage on USB drives kept at various locations around the States. Mellon says he got the “Bitcoin bug,” losing hours of sleep each night pondering Bitcoin’s possibilities. He and Waters started a conversation about how to make Bitcoin more legitimate in the eyes of banks and the government, so that it can take off and become the hundreds-billion market (http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2013/11/12/winklevoss-twins-say-bitcoin-market-to-hit-400b-urge-regulators-not-to-push-innovation-to-china/) that investors such as the Winklevoss twins predict.

That conversation also involved Yifu Guo, another 20-something like Waters, who became a “Bitcoin millionaire (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-04-10/meet-the-bitcoin-millionaires)” selling computing equipment dedicated to “Bitcoin mining” though his company Avalon. Now the unlikely trio of two technologists and a Wharton grad is launching Coin Validation (http://www.coinvalidation.com/), a due diligence service for Bitcoin businesses that they hope will help set regulators’ minds at ease.

It’s a tracking system for Bitcoin ownership that would theoretically weed out ‘bad actors’ – like the Dread Pirate Roberts – from the legitimate Bitcoin business world. Their plan is to compile a database of the known identities associated with Bitcoin addresses in the hope that Coin Validation will become the one-stop-identity shop for law enforcement when trying to find out who’s doing something nefarious with Bitcoin, while providing a red-flag system for businesses who have customers trying to use Bitcoin that’s associated with illicit use.

“Essentially, we’ve been working with regulators for a structured approach for Bitcoin customers to be compliant,” says Waters. “We set up an API to work with their systems and we supply reporting tools they need for their databases. Which bitcoin addresses belong to a person? That’s the problem we’re solving.”

It’s a well-timed announcement, even if the details of how it will work are still vague. The nation’s capital is suddenly paying a lot of attention to the cryptocurrency as its value climbs to new highs (http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/11/08/from-walmart-to-bitcoin-the-ceo-behind-the-chinese-exchange-sending-bitcoin-to-new-highs/). The same month the FEC considered approving Bitcoin for campaign contributions – as long as it’s immediately cashed in for U.S. dollars (http://cryptome.org/2013/11/fec-bitcoins.pdf) – the Senate Homeland Security Committee is putting it in the hot seat during a hearing Monday on the digital currency and its uses “beyond Silk Road (http://www.hsgac.senate.gov/hearings/beyond-silk-road-potential-risks-threats-and-promises-of-virtual-currencies).” The cryptocurrency has become a darling of the investor community with its promise of disrupting payment systems, but has lawmakers and regulators spooked by the possibility of its also disrupting law enforcement and taxation systems. Waters, Guo and Mellon think Coin Validation could be the answer regulators are looking for, but the first step in their plan requires a big leap of faith and data: they need Bitcoin businesses to sign up, connect with their API, and share information about their clients to start building an identity database.

One business is already committed: Guo’s Bitcoin mining equipment maker, Avalon. A big question is whether they can get others to sign on as they’ll need a network effect to make the database useful.
On a Monday afternoon in Manhattan, Mellon is showing a bit of his real world sway. The “power room” at the Four Seasons Restaurant on 52nd Street has kept its kitchen open an hour beyond its usual closing time for lunch to accommodate the Coin Validation founders’ team.

“We’re not in this to make money, we’re in it to get it sorted with Congress,” says Mellon, who eschews the dessert menu for a bowl of fresh raspberries. “Cash and credit cards are doomed. The future of payment is international and on the smartphone. I want to break this myth that Bitcoin is only associated with drug dealers and money launderers.”

“This needs to exist for regulators to approve of use of Bitcoin in the U.S.,” says Waters. “We don’t want to be the sheriff of the Bitcoin community. We just want to create an ecosystem of clean addresses.”
In the short term, they talk about a limited database that keeps track only of registered identities and their activities with participating companies, but it’s obvious that their ambitions are grander and that a longer term prospect is to take advantage of the transparency of the Bitcoin system to keep track of which Bitcoin is tainted by associations with black markets. Waters says that the development of that aspect will depend on “community feedback.”
“People say Bitcoin is anonymous, but it’s also completely traceable,” says Guo. “Because the blockchain is already public, your privacy is limited, but a lot of people probably aren’t aware that they are being tracked,” adds Waters.
Sarah Meicklejohn an academic who recently co-authored a paper on linking Bitcoin addresses to Silk Road activity says that a number of companies have approached her about ways to analyze the Bitcoin blockchain for tainted transactions. She says there are a number of challenges — including false negatives and false positives, and the difficulty of identifying associations when black market service changes wallets — but she was intrigued by the idea of building a database of “clean” addresses.
“No one knows the full ground truth of the Bitcoin network,” she says. “But this could be good for flagging and generating suspicious activity reports, as long as it doesn’t come with an absurdly high punishment for accounts that may have been incorrectly flagged.”

Waters expects tensions. Bitcoin’s appeal to many early adopters after all was the freedom that came from its statelessness, its anonymity, and its decentralization. With Coin Validation, he’s proposing a centralized tracking system that he knows won’t sit well with some hardliners in the community.

“The existing Bitcoin community will find this very controversial from a privacy perspective. But it’s simple, straightforward and opt in,” says Waters. Bitcoin businesses will opt in to the system, and customers that don’t want to be in the database would need to not use those businesses.

But what about Bitcoin laundering services and wallets designed specifically to make observation and tracking challenging (http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/10/31/darkwallet-aims-to-be-the-anarchists-bitcoin-app-of-choice/)?
“The average user is not sophisticated enough to launder Bitcoin,” says Guo.

“Typically people doing money laundering will reuse addresses or claim an address has lots of different identities,” says Waters. “This is a first step, not the silver bullet to end money laundering with Bitcoin.”

Waters says there are a few million Bitcoin addresses with positive balances. “If 10% of those were clean addresses, it would substantially improve the regulatory landscape state-side,” he says. He predicts in the future that every user will have at least one address that’s self identified, “or at least every user who wants to do business in the U.S.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/11/13/sanitizing-bitcoin-coin-validation/

The continued march to precious metals demise continues unabated, and with the resistance of only a handful.

mick silver
29th November 2013, 04:18 AM
when this train wrecks it will take alot of people with it , cleaning the house out before they come up with a new and better ecoin with a new way of tracking the ecoin

Horn
1st April 2014, 06:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8tvCTXNkeI

Libertytree
1st April 2014, 06:50 PM
But yet here you are, hanging out at a site dedicated to Bit/E coins :)