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Horn
12th November 2013, 11:19 PM
If cash is king, virtual cash may be the crown prince in waiting. Programmers around the world have been churning out new digital currencies that try to improve on the concept of bitcoin, the hot but controversial virtual money that has swept the internet.
As questions still swirl around bitcoin’s legality, many technology entrepreneurs are trying to sidestep the currency’s pitfalls by devising new ways to make payments in a cashless future.
Already, dozens of ideas are jockeying for the market. At last count, a website that tracks the market, coinmarketcap.com, listed 36 so-called crypto-currencies, with names like bitbar, freicoin and cryptogenic bullion, and new ones are being added each month. Collectively, these digital moneys had a recent market value of about $US3.3 billion, of which $3.1 billion was from the dominant currency, bitcoin.
Ripple effect

The online payment system viewed by many insiders as having the best chance of supplanting bitcoin, however, is not even on the list: Ripple. Founded in San Francisco by former bitcoin developers, Ripple holds out the promise not just of a new currency, but also of a novel method to send money around the world. With that potential, it is winning something that has proved elusive for virtual currencies: involvement from more mainstream players in the financial system.
“I haven’t seen anything else as interesting as Ripple,” said Jesse Powell, the founder of Payward, which runs an exchange where digital currencies can be bought and sold. “As far as I’m concerned, bitcoin and Ripple are the only ones that have a real shot at being a big deal.”
This week, the company overseeing Ripple’s development, Ripple Labs, will announce $US3.5 million in financing from six new investors. The company will also announce that it has attracted funds from Pantera Capital, which includes money from executives at the Fortress Investment Group. Chris Larsen, the co-founder of Ripple Labs, said the company had also been talking with banks large and small about joining Ripple’s payment network.
“There’s a lot of interest from the big banks in what’s going on here,” said Mr Larsen, who previously founded two financial start-ups. “I’ve never seen anything like it before.”
The rapidly growing industry of alternative currencies owes a lot of credit to bitcoin’s surprising success.
Volatile market without regulation

Bitcoin has confronted a number of issues that have led to market crashes, but has recovered each time. The latest stumble came after the founder of a popular online marketplace, known as Silk Road, was arrested and accused of using bitcoin to traffic in drugs and other illegal goods. (http://www.afr.com/p/technology/sydney_based_technocash_named_in_ygENfwqDkXSLyO8CR I5H1K) The price of an individual bitcoin initially dropped after Silk Road was shut down, but since then it has risen steadily and recently stood around $US260, near a record high.
Still, the entire world of virtual currencies could be rendered irrelevant almost overnight if law enforcement agencies decided to crack down on transactions. Several state and federal authorities have said they are looking at how to police the market, worried that the anonymous nature of the online transactions make the currencies attractive for criminals. A recent study by researchers at the University of California, San Diego, found that most bitcoin transactions were being used for gambling.
Even without such legal hurdles, some critics expect that virtual currencies will eventually come to be seen as a speculative bubble with no foundation.
“It really does sound 21st century, but at the end of the day, do you really want to put your money at stake in that?” said Brian Riley, who covers payment systems for CEB TowerGroup.
Despite the questions, the concept of digital currencies has won a growing number of proponents. In the technology sector, many have been drawn to the broader possibility that virtual currencies could allow money to zip around the world without going through banks and payment processors, with all the fees they impose, not to mention onerous government regulations.
One set of competitors are the so-called centralised currencies, which are operated and overseen from a single hub. These work like the loyalty points distributed and overseen by airlines or retailers and can allow regulators to keep a closer eye on transactions. One such currency, known as ven, is tied to a basket of global currencies that keeps the price stable.
Centralised currencies

But most online entrepreneurs are dismissive of centralised currencies, saying they give too much power to the companies that run them. Prosecutors have said that one centralised currency service, Liberty Reserve, was devised solely to evade government authorities. Its co-founder, Vladimir Kats, pleaded guilty to money laundering last month in federal court in Manhattan.
In recent months, there has been much more excitement in the industry about decentralised currencies, which exist independently of any company. Such platforms have computer code that is usually open source, or available for editing by any programmer. This setup is seen as a benefit because it means that no central authority can determine things like fees, and who can and cannot have access to the currency.
One of the most popular decentralised currencies is litecoin, which was founded by a former Google programmer and intended to improve on some of the flaws in bitcoin, like the somewhat slow transaction times.
Mr Powell of Payward and many other industry experts, though, say that litecoin and competitors are just tweaked versions of bitcoin.
Ripple is being heralded in some quarters as a more significant innovation than its competitors. Ripple maintains not only a currency, but also a system on which any currency, even bitcoin, can be moved around or traded — akin to a cross between Western Union and a currency exchange, without the hefty fees.
A person using the system can deposit any sort of money into a personal Ripple wallet through a business that is signed up as a Ripple gateway. That money can then be moved to the wallet of another Ripple user, without going through a bank or a credit card system.
People moving the same type of currency, say dollars or pounds, to another account on the Ripple system will not have to use its currency, known as ripple or xrp, pronounced letter by letter. But ripple is meant to provide the fastest and cheapest conversions, of one nation’s currency to another or among various types of digital money. The hope is that once people begin using Ripple they will keep some of their money in the currency and eventually use it directly to make purchases.
Stefan Thomas, an early bitcoin programmer and now chief technology officer of Ripple Labs, said he was drawn to the company because it improved on the flaws in bitcoin. For instance, he said, users of Ripple put money into the system through so-called gateways, which should allow regulators to monitor transactions more easily. Ripple also does away with the process of “mining” bitcoins, which has eaten up enormous computing power.
“You kept running into the same criticism,” Mr Thomas said. “Now there is a thing that has solved all these problems in a fundamental way.”
As with bitcoin, a finite number of ripple will be created — 100 billion. Ripple Labs will distribute 55 per cent of those free to encourage people and companies to use the system. The 7.5 billion ripple that have been released are worth about $US60 million.
The company, with 25 employees, is keeping 25 per cent of the currency to sell off to fund its operations.
This setup has drawn criticism from some supporters of bitcoin, who think it gives too much power to Mr Larsen’s company. But the company will also allow for quicker and more coordinated responses to crises and regulators.
Angela Angelovska Wilson, a lawyer at Latham & Watkins specialising in alternative payment systems, said Ripple’s more centralised control had allowed it to benefit from some of the bad press surrounding bitcoin, while maintaining the benefits of a decentralised currency.
“Obviously bitcoin was the first mover,” Ms. Wilson said. “But Ripple was right behind it. And then there are a lot of others coming through.”

http://www.afr.com/p/technology/bitcoin_rivals_churn_out_new_digital_ahwu1amvnm1zz CjtBlqCPP

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Son-of-Liberty
13th November 2013, 07:56 AM
Ripple has centralized control and is likely a government or banker version of a digital currency. Every savvy person I know online is not interested in ripple and avoids it. It defeats the purpose of using a crypto-currency.

madfranks
13th November 2013, 08:03 AM
Ripple holds out the promise not just of a new currency, but also of a novel method to send money around the world.

That's not novel. Bitcoin is the same thing. Anyone with a BTC wallet can send their money to anyone else in the world with a BTC wallet. As Jeff Tucker said, "Bitcoin is both money and a payment system".

sirgonzo420
13th November 2013, 08:32 AM
Ripple has centralized control and is likely a government or banker version of a digital currency. Every savvy person I know online is not interested in ripple and avoids it. It defeats the purpose of using a crypto-currency.

I agree... not a fan of Ripple.

I did, however, profit from Ripple somewhat. When it first came out, they were giving out 50,000 xrp (ripple's in-house "currency").

When the exchange rate changed favorably, I traded my 50,000 xrp for a few bitcoins.

Ares
13th November 2013, 09:48 AM
I avoid Ripple due to their intent on attempting to centralize a decentralized currency. Would be like going to the comex to handle all of your gold / silver transactions... Why? If the person will accept gold / silver / bitcoin why not just send it directly?

Horn
13th November 2013, 10:01 AM
Why? If the person will accept gold / silver / bitcoin why not just send it directly?

Bitcoin will be squeezed like a piece of virtual salami between a Ripple upper bun, and E-flakes lower bun.

Virtual molida.

sirgonzo420
13th November 2013, 11:28 AM
Bitcoin will be squeezed like a piece of virtual salami between a Ripple upper bun, and E-flakes lower bun.

Virtual molida.


Not sure what you're talking about.

Bitcoins are going for $400 - $430 right now.

I posted a thread (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?67521-Right-now-the-Bitcoin-price-is-at-par-with-Silver-Spot-price) when one bitcoin and one ounce of silver were at parity. (February 19th, 2013.... that's less than a year ago)

One bitcoin now buys 20 oz of silver, or over a 1/4 oz of gold.

But we're the stooopid ones.

Horn
13th November 2013, 11:38 AM
Not sure what you're talking about.

Bitcoins are going for $400 - $430 right now.

I posted a thread (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?67521-Right-now-the-Bitcoin-price-is-at-par-with-Silver-Spot-price) when one bitcoin and one ounce of silver were at parity. (February 19th, 2013.... that's less than a year ago)

One bitcoin now buys 20 oz of silver, or over a 1/4 oz of gold.

But we're the stooopid ones.

Did you ever make a sandwich?

Typically the more expensive selections are centered in it.

Of course Bitcoin is elevated to keep it targeted and centered (ie held) for sandwich preparation.

What kind of idiot would spend a bitcoin? (result: loss of market cap.)

Once its fully surrounded its lunch time.

Only the top eats better than you and HT, in this case A Ripple and its molida making machine.

I don't like a cashless society (in fact i hate the notion), why you do is beyond me...?

But munch munch away, all locals go out and get a website and with fascist handheld device receive the nothingness.

Horn
13th November 2013, 12:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=671AgW9xSiA

Horn
29th November 2013, 05:05 PM
The True Value of Bitcoin and Ripple

Today, the value of one bitcoin exceeded $1,000 for the first time. (http://rt.com/news/bitcoin-value-thousand-dollars-392/) But what does that mean? How real and safe are these things? What's the future of your bitcoin? It might just be something else entirely -- a ripple.
(A version of this story was published in the December 2013 issue.)

Don't roll your eyes. I know — another article about bitcoin. But I promise this one's different. I'm not a fanboy who theorizes about the identity of secret creator "Satoshi Nakamoto." And I'm not a throwback who believes that since money creation has largely been left to government fiat over the past hundred years, this must always be so.

I'm a believer. But not so much because I understand or care to understand the complexity underlying the creation of math-based currency. It's more because I have seen all kinds of things turn into money and have also seen things that are already money deployed so irresponsibly that it enabled new money to take hold.

Let's backtrack a bit. Bitcoin is a "cryptocurrency" in which new coins are minted digitally and transferred based on an open-source Internet protocol that doesn't go through a central intermediary. The coins are processed by servers that "mine" new bitcoins via a mathematical formula that limits the total number that can ever be created to 21 million. Over an already volatile 2013, the value of a single bitcoin has ranged from $13 to more than $1,000 (http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-1000-2013-11), and it's attracted the attention of everyone from the Winklevoss twins to a new fund (the Bitcoin Investment Trust) composed only of bitcoins.

As revolutionary as I believe bitcoin to be, the mining process creates critical weaknesses — it's difficult to understand and can be panic-inducing for the several minutes people are waiting to get their funds. And if your funds disappear from the noncentralized ledger, there's no recourse; they're just gone, as has happened recently. But now there's an alternative — an open-source math-based currency called ripple (https://ripple.com/) — that solves some of the problems.


The genius of both bitcoin and ripple is there is no centralized depository. Without a central "ledger," all transactions must be broadcast to all other servers that run the protocol so that these math-based currencies avoid being debased. Both are anonymous and skillfully encrypted.

But bitcoins have to be mined through a series of cumbersome Cloud-based computations that take ten minutes or so; ripples are instantaneous. And you get a key to recover any apparently compromised accounts.

Naturally, there are haters who cannot endure the idea of a company, Ripple Labs, creating a more user-friendly protocol on top of the libertarian utopia of bitcoin. Then there are those who criticize Ripple's business plan. The idea is to create 100 billion ripples and get more than half of them into the hands of the public by giving them away. As more people start using ripples to buy things, they will presumably grow in value, leaving the company and its founders sitting on about 50 billion ripples. If that's devious, then so is every company that's ever gone public while retaining the great bulk of its shares.

It's also analogous to what governments do. Every government manipulates its currency. What's more, they're not transparent about it. At least these guys have made it clear that there can never be another ripple created. When the U. S. needed more cash to bail out AIG and other reckless financial actors, it simply printed more money.

Ripple also solves some other elemental problems in the existing system of government-issued money. Banks are thieves. Every three months, I get a distribution of about $1,400 from an investment I have in some apartments. It's wired directly to my bank account, yet my bank charges me $15 for the privilege. Then there's the time question. I am a user of Dwolla, an online payment system that you can use like cash in thousands of stores. Funding my Dwolla account took six days from the moment it was taken out of my bank account. It's absurd. Someone had use of that float for almost a week.

The entire corrupt system is ripe for disruption.

Chris Larsen, the CEO of Ripple Labs Inc., is someone I've written about often. His first company, E-Loan, sought to democratize mortgage lending, and his second company, Prosper, sought to do the same for peer-to-peer lending. The problem with both of those ideas is that they were seeking to dismantle gigantic industries with huge political momentum.


This time, ripple could have its own giant on its side. MasterCard and Visa charge as much as 4 percent for their transactions. The banks that issue the cards in the end get to keep some of that. But all they really get for taking the risk that you don't pay your bill is the chance to collect massive interest if you're late. These banks would love to keep collecting that interest without having to pay MasterCard and Visa. Ripple makes that possible if it gets accepted ubiquitously. In my opinion, the big financial-service brands ought to feel about ripple the way the record labels felt about Napster.


And then it's game on. With the August announcement that Germany will start taxing bitcoin assets, and a ruling by a federal judge in Texas that bitcoin is a legit currency, it's clear that imaginary money is becoming more real by the day. Meanwhile, I'm stocking up on ripple while it's still less than a dollar apiece.


Read more: Bitcoin Value Passes $1,000 - Bitcoin News - Esquire

(http://www.esquire.com/blogs/news/bitcoin-value-1213#ixzz2m5ABZ4t6)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF6j-qEIXm8#t=87

Eat an E-coin sloppy joe

mick silver
30th November 2013, 01:04 PM
The idea is to create 100 billion ripples and get more than half of them into the hands of the public by giving them away. i may have to give some mickcoin away to get them to take off ,,,, then i can buy gold an silver after i rob the fools that buy this shit