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Ponce
13th November 2013, 11:17 AM
Another reason to have a land patent.......in Spain it is illegal now to have solar power.....in England you have to pay a fee to watch tv........................I say to all F YOU.
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stoves offer warmth and enhance off-grid living options during cold weather months, but the tried-and-true heating devices now are under attack by the Environmental Protection Agency.

The EPA has banned the production and sale of the types of stoves used by about 80 percent of those with such stoves. The regulations limit the amount of “airborne fine-particle matter” to 12 micrograms per cubic meter of air. The current EPA regulations allow for 15 micrograms in the same amount of air space.

Most of the wood stoves currently nestled inside cabins and homes from coast-to-coast don’t meet the new environmental standard. The EPA launched a “Burn Wise” website to help convince the public that the new regulations were needed.

Trading in an old stove for a newer stove isn’t allowed.

“Replacing an older stove with a cleaner-burning stove will not improve air quality if the older stove is reused somewhere else,” the website says. “For this reason, wood stove change out programs usually require older stoves to be destroyed and recycled as scrap metal, or rendered inoperable.”

In some areas of the country, local governments have gone further than the EPA and banned not just the sale of such stoves, but the usage of old stoves – and even the usage of fireplaces. That means that even if you still have a stove or a fireplace, you can’t burn it for fear of a fine. Puget Sound, Washington, is one such location.

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Burn Wise is a partnership program associated with the EPA that is tasked with emphasizing the “importance of burning the right wood, the right way, in the right stove.” Information shared on the website operated by the federal government also states that both state and local agencies are pursuing ways to improve air quality that relate to wood-burning stoves.

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The overall goal of the EPA Burn Wise program is to educate both local governmental agencies and citizens about the need for more “cleaner-burning” in the marketplace. Three of the most recent highlighted articles and webinars on the EPA Burn Wise website include details about a voluntary wood burning fireplace program, strategies for reducing residential wood some in state, tribal, and local communities, and a recording entitled, “Reducing Residential Wood Some: Is it Worth it?”

The EPA also has compiled a list of “approved” stoves.

According to a Washington Times review of the wood stove ban, the most dangerous aspect of the EPA proposed guidelines is the one-size-fits-all approach to the perceived problem. The same wood burning stove rules would apply to both heavily air-pollution laden major cities and far cleaner rural regions with extremely cooler temperatures. Families living in Alaska, or off the grid in wilderness area in the West, will most likely have extreme difficulty remaining in their cold, secluded homes if the EPA wood stove rules are approved.

The Times further said that wood burning stoves put less airborne fine-particle manner in the air than is present from secondhand some in a closed vehicle. When an individual smokes inside a car with the windows up, passengers are reportedly exposed to approximately 4,000 micrograms of soot per cubic meter.

Wrote the Times’ editorial board:

“Alaska’s 663,000 square miles is mostly forested, offering residents an abundant source of affordable firewood. When county officials floated a plan to regulate the burning of wood, residents were understandably inflamed. ‘Everybody wants clean air. We just have to make sure that we can also heat our homes,’ state Rep. Tammie Wilson told the Associated Press. Rather than fret over EPA’s computer-model-based warning about the dangers of inhaling soot from wood smoke, residents have more pressing concerns on their minds such as the immediate risk of freezing when the mercury plunges.”

Do you support the EPA’s wood stove ban?

mick silver
13th November 2013, 11:37 AM
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Ponce
13th November 2013, 12:52 PM
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Taxing the Sun: Spain's solar police to kick in your door
November 12, 2013
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Source: The Local




The latest nail in the coffin for Spain’s solar energy producers is an Energy Law amendment which allows inspectors to enter private properties without a court order. It's a move lawyers believe could set a worrying precedent.

As if Spaniards had not already been dissuaded by the potential €60 million fines they face for illegally generating their own solar power, they now have to look forward to a knock on the door from the 'solar police'.

A change to the ruling Popular Party’s (PP) Energy Law allows inspectors to “raid” properties they are suspicious of, armed only with administrative authorization.

If the suspect denies entry, Spain’s Industry Department will then ask for a court order that guarantees inspectors access to the property alongside Spanish national police.

Officers will be able to seize all documents related to to energy consumption and seal off entry to the property.

Lawyers consulted by Spain's VozPopuli online newspaper raised serious doubts about whether the move was constitutional.

They also said it set a worrying precedent by obliging citizens to let inspectors enter a private residence.

All this means generating your own solar energy without paying for the privilege is a risky business now in Spain.

Whereas Spain once flung money at companies who set up solar power programmes in the country, it now plans to slap a fee on people who create their energy for personal consumption.

As the Wall Street Journal put it, Spain is punishing "a small but growing segment of the middle class" who have installed solar panels to generate their own electricity.

Forbes also slammed the Spanish government’s move back in August by saying, "You get the feeling that government officials were out of ideas, stared up at the sky one day and thought, 'I've got it! We’ll tax the sun!'"

The PP’s plan is to raise cash to help pay off their 'tariff deficit', or the difference between the cost of operating the country's electricity grid and the money it rakes in.

"Imposed by decree, the reform aims to raise money for tackling a €26 billion debt to power producers which the state has built up over the years in regulating energy costs and prices," Australia's Business Spectator reported.

According to VozPopuli, the ‘payback’ to big energy companies has taken the form of this new Solar Energy Law.

This makes independent power generation by households one of the biggest financial risks Spaniards can currently take at a time when cutting costs is ever more necessary.

madfranks
13th November 2013, 01:31 PM
For this reason, wood stove change out programs usually require older stoves to be destroyed and recycled as scrap metal, or rendered inoperable

Government doing what government does best: destroying things. So are campfires going to be illegal too? If you're camping and have a fire, you get fined or sent to jail?

Ponce
13th November 2013, 02:03 PM
Or burning your trash?.......how about the dead bodies?....are they going to tell God to stop with what the forest fires?

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iOWNme
13th November 2013, 02:49 PM
I love how they use the word 'ban' which is just a clever euphemism for 'If you are caught with xxx (insert inanimate object here) men with guns will come to your home to threaten you with violence or lock you in a cage'.

Doesnt sound quite as nice anymore does it?

General of Darkness
13th November 2013, 02:58 PM
Welcome to last week sweetie.

Sandblaster
13th November 2013, 03:09 PM
May be a good agency that people of the country can agree needs to be curtailed. It's getting all of the groups around the country to come together on this one issue. I see the government as an octopus. EPA being an arm. Cut off the arms one by one and the host well starve. Just a crazy idea.

milehi
13th November 2013, 04:28 PM
Government doing what government does best: destroying things. So are campfires going to be illegal too? If you're camping and have a fire, you get fined or sent to jail?

Caampfires are not allowed at an altitude over 10k feet.

EE_
13th November 2013, 05:24 PM
Caampfires are not allowed at an altitude over 10k feet.

It gets fucking cold up there at 10,000+...how the hell you supposed to stay warm?

milehi
13th November 2013, 06:19 PM
It gets fucking cold up there at 10,000+...how the hell you supposed to stay warm?

Zip the sleeping bags together. I'd say some scotch too but any trace of drinking too much hurts like hell at that altitude.

Twisted Titan
13th November 2013, 10:49 PM
All this means generating your own solar energy without paying for the privilege is a risky business now in Spain.




It is now a privilliage to get ass raped by parasites....doublespeak at its finest

mick silver
14th November 2013, 04:37 AM
they want you to use clean fuel then they dont ,,, cant have it both ways