Arizona Approves Grid-Connection Fees For Solar Rooftops......... V

[Ponce]

Another reason to hold a Land Patent......air, sun, rain, snow, fire and on and on.....that is in your private property is non-taxable and 100 yours.
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Arizona Approves Grid-Connection Fees For Solar Rooftops
Posted by ed cobb on November 19, 2013 at 5:30pm
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Arizona will permit the state’s largest utility to charge a monthly fee to customers who install photovoltaic panels on their roofs, in a closely watched hearing that drew about 1,000 protesters and may threaten the surging residential solar market.

The Arizona Corporation Commission, which regulates utilities in the state, agreed in a 3-to-2 vote at a meeting yesterday in Phoenix that Arizona Public Service Co. may collect about $4.90 a month from customers with solar systems.

Arizona Public is required to buy solar power from customers with rooftop panels, and the commission agreed with its argument that the policy unfairly shifts some of the utility’s costs to people without panels. Imposing a fee designed to address this issue may prompt power companies in other states to follow suit, and will discourage some people from installing new systems, according to the Sierra Club.

The “decision to add new charges to Arizona’s main rooftop solar program will stifle the growth of our clean-energy economy,” Will Greene, the organizing representative for the Sierra Club in Phoenix, said in a statement yesterday.

The fee will apply to solar systems installed or contracted after Dec. 31 and works out to 70 cents a kilowatt. A home with a typical 70-kilowatt solar system will pay $4.90 a month, and people with more panels will pay more.

Arizona Public has about 18,000 solar customers now who won’t be affected. It’s adding about 500 more a month and expects to have about 20,000 customers that won’t pay the fee for sending excess solar energy to its system.

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[chad]

non-taxable? i thought you said they still made you pay property taxes?

[Ponce]

Chad, I am paying property taxes when I don't have to do so because what I do have is "private property"........but....there is a reason for doing this...there is an obscure law that I found by accident that has nothing to do with property law and that I can make it work for me at any time.

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[palani]

The fee will apply to solar systems installed or contracted after Dec. 31 and works out to 70 cents a kilowatt. A home with a typical 70-kilowatt solar system will pay $4.90 a month
I suppose legislatures have a problem with math too. A 70 kw system at $.70 a kw would amount to 49 bux rather than 4.90.

[ximmy]

The people must suffer!

[mick silver]

cannot have people leaving the system .

[Dogman]

Seeing that solar power at the panels is instantaneous as long as the sun is out. Those systems that sell to the public grid, the excess power produced and sent into the grid if not used at the moment of production is lost...poof gone!

If the power company's complain and bitch about having to pay for the power fed into their grid because they lose money if that power is not used at the instant it is produced by those home systems, and have to make up for the loss by passing on the cost for that lost power.

Well screw them!

Most but not all home systems have battery backup to store the power they produce for use when the panels are not producing, at night/cloudy weather. Some systems are there to lower the home owner utility bill and sell the excess during daylight hours and good weather.

That is imho the power company's problem and not the home owners.

Electrical power is unique in the fact that it is instantaneous and if not used at the time of production it is lost because the potential for work is not stored.

So as long as the power company's buy power they can not use at the moment of production, shame on them for not finding a way to store the excess power they can not bill at the instant it is produced. I know some are looking into this problem and there is so far not a cost effective way to really do it at this time. Or at least that is what the company's say.

To tax/charge home owners for the excess power they feed into the grid just is not right because it can be seen that the power produced and sent into the grid by these small systems adds capacity to the public grid that the power company does not have to buy itself.

Sunlight if free (for the moment). If I owned a home system without any storage , I would rig it so my excess power is not sent into the grid and use grid power only when my panels are not producing or my power requirements exceed my production capacity. Such setups still cut the power bill. And deny the power company's that power during peak load times.

But to charge the home owner for having a solar setup that is just plane wrong.

For any power production system without storage, ether you use it at the instant it is produced or you lose it and you have to eat the cost of production and pass the cost to the end user. Solar is cool because it is renewable while the sun is shining, the other renewable is hydro but it is only good as long as it rains and keeps the storage reservoirs full.

It would be a grin or not if enough people in the areas that solar production is feasible go off grid and disconnect from it and live as Zap does.

It would be interesting to see what the utility Co's would do if their user base decreases and their revenue drops. (I know that will never happen, our freedoms would be trampled on and people would be forced to be connected to the grid)

I apologize for my early morning low on caffeine rambling!

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