Montana Mountain Man Silences Judge.

[Ares]

Raw footage of Ernie Wayne Tertelgte in Three Forks Justice Court

MANHATTAN - It was a packed courtroom on Tuesday for the hearing of Ernie Tertelgte, a Manhattan man who says he's being wrongly prosecuted for trying to feed himself.

Tertelgte, 52 years old, was arrested on Monday and is accused of fishing without a license and then resisting arrest.

He appeared before the judge via video from the Gallatin County Detention Center, and it was standing room only more than a dozen friends and family members filled the small courtroom.

Tertelgte appeared subdued and respectful before the Justice of the Peace during Tuesday's court session, which went very differently than his court appearance earlier this month, where Tertelgte and Three Forks City Judge Wanda Drusch got into a heated exchange.

Terteltge argued that the court did not have the authority to charge him, citing "natural law."

He told the judge, "You are trying to create a fictitious, fraudulent action." He continued, "I am the living man, protected by natural law."

He then yelled, "Do not tell me to shut up! I am the living, natural man, and my voice will be heard!"

Terteltge then pointed at the flag and said, "That is the Jolly Roger, that thing you call the American flag with the gold fringe around it is the Jolly Roger, and you are acting as one of its privateers!"

When the judge noted that he had pleaded not guilty, Terteltge countered, "I never plead, animals plead, sounds like baaaa, oink oink."

The back and forth exchange continued for a few more moments, and the hearing ended after both the judge and the defendant walked out.

This time, extra law enforcement officers were in court Tuesday and the proceedings happened without any outbursts.

A friend of Tertelgte's told us that he and the others came to court to enforce the Constitution.

William Wolf said, "It's we the people that run this and rule this country, not we the courts, not we the government, and if the people don't start standing up for themselves and for each other, we are going to continue being subjects of this government."

Justice Adams set Tertelgte's bond at $500 and his next court hearing is scheduled for January.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LwR0c-CE5g

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LwR0c-CE5g

http://www.kbzk.com/news/packed-courtroom-for-manhattan-man-accused-of-fishing-without-a-license/

[General of Darkness]

Brilliant.

http://reality-bytes.hubpages.com/hub/Strawman-Your-Name-In-Capital-Letters
.

[midnight rambler]

Brilliant.

http://reality-bytes.hubpages.com/hub/Strawman-Your-Name-In-Capital-Letters
.

And for this reason one should ALWAYS be very deliberate and limited as to what one affixes one's 'signature' to, as one's signature has VALUE and (can) CREATE(S) LIABILITY. 99% of the time when someone asks for my 'signature'* I print "non-assumpsit" (underlining the term is crucial, and when the term 'SIGNATURE' is under the line where they expect you to sign I make sure that my underlining also strikes the term 'SIGNATURE').

*only very rarely does someone question what it is that I 'signed' and I respond to that, "That's always how I sign something." (however at the jailhouse they won't release you UNLESS you "sign your name as it appears on your BIRTH CERTIFICATE" (what does THAT tell ya?) - and when that occurs it is advisable to add at the end of your mark the letters 'TDC' legibly for threats, duress, and coercion

[midnight rambler]

Regarding the video in the OP - gawddam bunch of fucking pirates, what goes 'round, comes 'round - live by the sword, die by the sword*

*when pirates roamed the seas a 2-300 years ago, a pirate could see the sun come up for his (or her) very last time on any given day - that's just the nature of being a pirate

[ximmy]

How do you plead?

Innocent.

You may not plead innocent, you may plead guilty or not guilty.

The courts want the term guilty to come out of your mouth...

[sirgonzo420]

And for this reason one should ALWAYS be very deliberate and limited as to what one affixes one's 'signature' to, as one's signature has VALUE and (can) CREATE(S) LIABILITY. 99% of the time when someone asks for my 'signature'* I print "non-assumpsit" (underlining the term is crucial, and when the term 'SIGNATURE' is under the line where they expect you to sign I make sure that my underlining also strikes the term 'SIGNATURE').

*only very rarely does someone question what it is that I 'signed' and I respond to that, "That's always how I sign something." (however at the jailhouse they won't release you UNLESS you "sign your name as it appears on your BIRTH CERTIFICATE" (what does THAT tell ya?) - and when that occurs it is advisable to add at the end of your mark the letters 'TDC' legibly for threats, duress, and coercion

My signature isn't on 'my' birth certificate. I was too young to hold a pen when the bastards tried to ensnare me! Perhaps you meant driver's license?

[mick silver]

just maybe the people of this country are waking up , we all need to stand together if we are every to get back whats ours . this is what make them fear us all

[Son-of-Liberty]

How do you plead?

Innocent.

You may not plead innocent, you may plead guilty or not guilty.

The courts want the term guilty to come out of your mouth...

Actually the scam they are running with the pleading is that if you plead, guilty or not guility you are admitting that you fall under the laws jurisdiction. Basically what you are then arguing is whether you did or didn't do it, not if the law applies to you.

A big mistake people make is arguing jurisdiction with the judge when you should be putting the onus of proof of jurisdiction on the prosecutor. They are the ones bringing the charges, the judge is just referee.

When asked to plead you should probably respond with something like, "I am not pleading until the prosecution proves that the statute they are charging me with applies to me the living man."

This way you are not getting into a confrontation with the judge and instead putting the heat where it belongs. Also you need to file proof you are in fact, a free will man and then let the prosecution try and disprove it which they won't be able to do.

[midnight rambler]

My signature isn't on 'my' birth certificate. I was too young to hold a pen when the bastards tried to ensnare me! Perhaps you meant driver's license?

Reread what I wrote - YOUR NAME appears on the BIRTH CERTIFICATE the state issued on your behalf when your mother abandoned you at the port of entry.

[mick silver]

liberty and justice for all.

[Glass]

When asked to plead you should probably respond with something like, "I am not pleading until the prosecution proves that the statute they are charging me with applies to me the living man."

This way you are not getting into a confrontation with the judge and instead putting the heat where it belongs. Also you need to file proof you are in fact, a free will man and then let the prosecution try and disprove it which they won't be able to do.

I will accept your offer to plea on proof of claim that.. such and such.

Another thing you will notice, FWIW is that there is usually no sworn statement as to the charges. There may be a statement of claim, which is sometimes read out, but generally there are no sworn affidavits as to the charges. How does this help? Who knows, it's often about technicalities and responsibilities. They don't like to swear things because it opens the door to perjury. Often times they will drop a process if it looks like someone on their side will have to swear something.

Worth checking things like corporate seals as signatures and so on to make sure I am not wrong. Could be but I don't think so. Could a statement bearing no wet signature but a corporate seal be considered a sworn statement in a court. They generally will avoid swearing to anything and you can defeat their process if you see the opportunity and can hold it, in the face of persuasive arguments that you should let it go, like you are wrong, stupid or sovereign citizens got it all backward.

[7th trump]

Reread what I wrote - YOUR NAME appears on the BIRTH CERTIFICATE the state issued on your behalf when your mother abandoned you at the port of entry.

Midnights got me ignore so I'll put this out there anyway.

Show me where the birth certificate acts as a "port of entry" and my parents, by signing a birth certificate, is an act of abandonment?
Please provide your evidence to show and prove this premise.

[mamboni]

I've got to study this video intensely. That old coot was positively masterful. I wish I could shake his hand.

[Cebu_4_2]

I try to stay the fuck away from any uniformed costumed people with a badge and thus stay out of a corporate system designed to take my ferns away in order to keep me out of some fucked up system.

This in my view is the same as the medical industry which can also take away my ferns and freedom to live.

[Cebu_4_2]

I've got to study this video intensely. That old coot was positively masterful. I wish I could shake his hand.

He knew and stated the statutes which would make him prevail, the referee or judge (I am not sure what she was) either walked away to review or to get the fuck out of dodge since the bailiffs refused to arrest him. He was very lucky, once in their system there is little he can do to be free again.

Ruby Ridge comes to mind.

[Hypertiger]

Basically he is correct.

People have no power to make or break LAW.

All that people have the power to do is make and break rules and call rules LAW.

But if a rule attempts to break LAW.

LAW will break the rule.

I do it all the time...Of course I then get taken into the clutches of people that think I have broken a so called LAW...only to find...what they thought was LAW...Was only a cherished delusion.

A figment of their imaginations.

[Ares]

Mountain Man Found Guilty,Mr.Tertegte Hauled Away in Cuffs.

Link of the "trial" here: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=703_1385224413

[midnight rambler]

Let this be a lesson to all of y'all - DESPITE having 'the law' on your side the pirate swine will disregard ALL of your objections and 'the (king's) court' will steamroll right over you (unless one *really* has their shit together). The Lucifer worshipers absolutely control the judiciary.

[Serpo]

JudgeSilencesMontana Mountain Man

[Libertytree]

He wasn't convicted of his "crime", he was hauled out over procedure, british court stuff, freeman doctrine etc.. I wish they had continued that last vid, I wonder how it turned out?

[Serpo]

He wasn't convicted of his "crime", he was hauled out over procedure, british court stuff, freeman doctrine etc.. I wish they had continued that last vid, I wonder how it turned out?

The judge gets too whip him in leathers...........

[Libertytree]

If I had to bet on it they turned off the camera for awhile and convicted him. They don't want stuff like this going viral and putting ideas into peoples minds, bad for biz.

I do notice that they tend to STFU when he's talking, seems odd and I know it's not because they have manners.

[7th trump]

This guy has followed the same "legalese" internet armchair lawyerism advice palani advocates.
And look where it got him......jail!

[palani]

This guy has followed the same "legalese" internet armchair advice palani advocates.
And look where it got him......jail!

palani advocates agreeing with everyone ... conditionally. Is that what happened? Doesn't sound like it to me and 7th trump has proven himself to be a liar in the past.

[7th trump]

If I had to bet on it they turned off the camera for awhile and convicted him. They don't want stuff like this going viral and putting ideas into peoples minds, bad for biz.

I do notice that they tend to STFU when he's talking, seems odd and I know it's not because they have manners.
You cant "say" or "tell" them you aren't in their jurisdiction.
You have to prove to them you aren't in there jurisdiction....and he failed in doing so.

Tax protesters are convicted the same way.
They say a lot of patriot things, but don't realize participating in Social Security is an act of taxation.
Heck if they were patriots they wouldn't be taking benefits from the same system they are against.......hello!

They are willing to take the government handouts (covered under SS for "unemployment" checks), but don't want to pay the attached taxes in doing so.
They want it both ways.....and the courts are saying no you cannot have it both ways.
This guy is probably receiving some assistance and yet wants to fish without a license to feed himself when the rules say you have to have a license.

[Serpo]

This guy is probably receiving some assistance and yet wants to fish without a license to feed himself when the rules say you have to have a license.


Do you need a license to go to a take away food shop

[Libertytree]

Do you need a license to go to a take away food shop

Valid point.

[7th trump]

palani advocates agreeing with everyone ... conditionally. Is that what happened? Doesn't sound like it to me and 7th trump has proven himself to be a liar in the past.


The law is not "conditionally".
The law is black or white.....not grey.


You don't read the law to understand it palani!
How many times have you posted that fact here on this forum........many times you have mentioned you don't read the law because it doesn't apply to you.
This guy believes the same as you do.
The courts are using statutes to convict....how does one fall within the jurisdiction of statutes?
This is where me and you differ.........I say the statutes apply until you reverse engineer them. You cannot reverse engineer the law until you properly understand them.
You can only understand them if you read them......you, palani, don't read the law, so how can you understand them?
This guy is a perfect example of what you promote and advocate.
This guy obviously doesn't understand what jurisdiction the Bill of Rights emanates from.
The God given rights hes claiming come from the state level....not the federal level.
He's playing on the federal level and therefore the right to feed himself off the land...........doesn't apply.

Remember me asking you if you knew the difference between a governor and the president?
You never replied...so I took it as you don't!
No big surprise there!
The biggest secret hidden from the American population is knowing the difference.
If they knew the difference they could change this country back to what it was in few short months.

[7th trump]

Do you need a license to go to a take away food shop

I don't know and that's not a valid point.

The point is if this guy knew what he was doing he would have the paperwork in hand proving he's a state citizen (the People)......he would have never pulled the "palani" stunt!
If he had the documents its more likely the courts would have dropped the complaint before ever going to court.
You cannot convict someone of a jurisdictional crime if the person was proven not to be in the same jurisdiction.


READ THESE!!!


“The rights and privileges, and immunities which the fourteenth constitutional amendment and Rev. St. section 1979 ,[U] for its enforcement, were designated to protect, are such as belonging to citizens of the United States as such, and not as citizens of a state”.
Wadleigh v. Newhall 136 F. 941 (1905)

“...rights of national citizenship as distinct from the fundamental or natural rights inherent in state citizenship”.
Madden v. Kentucky, 309 U.S. 83: 84 L.Ed. 590 (1940)

[Libertytree]

I don't know and that's not a valid point.

The point is if this guy knew what he was doing he would have the paperwork in hand proving he's a state citizen (the People)......he would have never pulled the "palani" stunt!
If he had the documents its more likely the courts would have dropped the complaint before ever going to court.
You cannot convict someone of a jurisdictional crime if the person was proven not to be in the same jurisdiction.

Ok, if you were Mt. Man, given what you know, how would you have acted/prepared before an incident and afterwards when it arose. I'll also put the same Q to Palini as well.

[7th trump]

Ok, if you were Mt. Man, given what you know, how would you have acted/prepared before an incident and afterwards when it arose. I'll also put the same Q to Palini as well.

Let palani go first.

[midnight rambler]

Let palani go first.

TRANSLATION: I haven't a clue, I prefer to attack palani instead.

[Dogman]

This was just round one, will be interesting to see what will happen in round two.

[7th trump]

TRANSLATION: I haven't a clue, I prefer to attack palani instead.

No no.....comrade communist sympathizer midnight rambler.
I have a clue!
Ever heard of the APA?

Administrative Procedure Act?

Here you go and look for yourself......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_Procedure_Act

I suggest looking at it good and hard....especially note it speaks of the New Deal!
The same New Deal that spawns the Social Security Act.
Remember me talking about Social Security?
Guess where this APA is codified at?
Title 5..........starting at 500 (5usc 500).
Guess where the government identifies people who participate in government welfare programs (such as Social Security)........as "federal personnel"?
Here you go comrade socialist sympathizer midnight rambler!
The government identifies americans as "federal personnel" at statute 5usc 552a.
Do you think for one minute "federal personnel" is the same thing as "The People"?
What did the courts say about fundamental rights of state citizenship (The People) vs. national citizenship (US citizens)?

I started with the APA to prove the federal and state governments identified myself as "federal personnel" (jurisdictional).
Palani will claim I'm an idiot for researching the statutes....but that's not the case with me....I researched them to prove a very important point.
A restricted American who could not fully obtain the protections of the Bill of Rights, but had Civil Rights that in no way stops any LEO from ticketing you for disobeying rules and regulations.
I then contacted the Iowa Ombudsman office, as a start, for Iowa to recognize me as one of The People having fundamental God giving rights.
Do I as an American have to settle for being a "federal personnel"?
No.... I do not and the courts say so.


"No white person. . . owes the status of citizenship to the recent amendments to the Federal Constitution."
Van Valkenbrg v. Brown (1872), 43 Cal. Sup. Ct. 43, 47.

Get the idea you and palani are out of your league and your drivel should be considered internet armchair lawyerism hearsay?
Follow palani's advice and see if you aren't treated exactly like mountain man did by yapping to the court.
He had no claim for which relief could be granted......he was jailed....his stance was he couldn't prove his position....no claim for relief.
His yapping is of no claim!
He didn't know what he was doing.

[Son-of-Liberty]

7th Trump is correct it works the same way here in Canada.

The Constitution Act. Says this:


32. (1) This Charter applies

(a) to the Parliament and government of Canada in respect of all matters within the authority of Parliament including all matters relating to the Yukon Territory and Northwest Territories; and

(b) to the legislatures and governments of each province in respect of all matters within the authority of the legislature of each province.

Now the interesting thing is that The Canadian Charter of Rights and freedoms is what they teach you in school and it ends at section 34 but it is not the whole of the Constitution. It continues this is from section 7.


52. (1) The Constitution of Canada is the supreme law of Canada, and any law that is inconsistent with the provisions of the Constitution is, to the extent of the inconsistency, of no force or effect.

Now if you read 34 you will notice that the constitution only applies to government. Section 52 says that if anything conflicts with the constitution it is null and void. So if the constitution doesn't apply to a natural man then how can any lessor statute like the income tax act apply?

You sign up to be a government agent when you get your SIN #.

Same system as the US different bullshit laws.

[Cebu_4_2]

All I know is Mt Man wanted out of there ASAP. Once they arrest him he is IN the system irregardless of his statesmanship or stance or civil legalese he will be fukt. There were a few of these in the past that I never saw a follow up. Perhaps a great solution sealed or another outcome is they are in prison.

[Serpo]

There has always been plenty of debate over this sort of thing but if this guy goes to jail as a freeman then he is still free.

If he goes to jail a slave then he is a slave in jail.

My point is that everything we experience comes from within and in that place then it is impossible for another person to have any control over another person.

If they do have control then it is basically a criminal organization doing it for their own gain.

No person is superior than another unless we believe in their power structures which have now turned dark.

[palani]

My strategy?

De non apparentibus et non existntibus eadem est ratio. The reason is the same respecting things which do not appear, and those which do not exist.

[7th trump]

My strategy?

De non apparentibus et non existntibus eadem est ratio. The reason is the same respecting things which do not appear, and those which do not exist.

So what doesn't appear and what doesn't exist palani?

I know the Bill of Rights exist....as does the Civil Rights Act of 1866.
I know the courts says the federal government identifies The People by which Rights they hold.
The People........the Bill of Rights.
The US citizen.........Civil Rights from the congressional Act of 1866 (and a very watered down (gutted) Bill of Rights; see www.1215.org to see the actual Senate document saying what Bill of Rights US citizens get).
Yes people this Senate document really does exists...I believe www.1215.org links directly into the Library of Congress website
Two totally different set of Rights each on their own individual jurisdictional plane.

Questions for each and every one of you is:

1. You going to continue to complain about the government or-
2. Are you going to do something about it?

You have a personal individual choice to make for yourself and the future generation.
Do you like dual citizenship bankers making policy over you?

[palani]

So what doesn't appear and what doesn't exist? Was there a question here?


I know the Bill of Rights exist....as does the Civil Rights Act of 1866. Is hearsay considered evidence? What first hand experience could you testify about concerning these documents?

[mick silver]

we all need to work together and find away to fix this if one of us were ever are put in his place .not fight over this , this is what they want us all to do ... just my thoughts on this . i dont know the answer because they made the rules then make more to cover there bullshit that they do to people in there court rooms

[midnight rambler]

SHOW ME SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKS, not some armchair warrior theoretical bullshit being spewed by someone who's never applied it SUCCESSFULLY in real life.

[Libertytree]

SHOW ME SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKS, not some armchair warrior theoretical bullshit being spewed by someone who's never applied it SUCCESSFULLY in real life.

I'd give ya a boatload of thanks for that retort!

Also, I might add........ call me stupid if you want but are there any instructions, guidelines or protocols for achieving this status?

[palani]

SHOW ME SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKS
If 'it' works what makes you believe there will be anything to show you? You will always hear only of the disasters and never hear of the non-events.

[Libertytree]

If 'it' works what makes you believe there will be anything to show you? You will always hear only of the disasters and never hear of the non-events.

That smells like bullshit. If it worked, it seems like people would be excited to share this path to true freedom and would document it textually and on vids as fast as they could.

[7th trump]

That smells like bullshit. If it worked, it seems like people would be excited to share this path to true freedom and would document it textually and on vids as fast as they could.

I'll stick up for palani here.
As far as showing it to people ..........they don't want to have to do anything....they are lazy!
The path, once you understand it, isn't cut and paste, isn't form driven, isn't in the desk clerks computers or files....and before you get three paragraph into explaining it you see their eyes glossing over and yawning. They are conditioned to not be interested.

It is your personal journey in securing Rights for yourself. You cannot do this for anyone, but yourself.
Try telling the desk clerk at the social security office that you want to go on record that you do not want to participate in Social security and see the reaction you get. They get upset and tell you everyone must participate when one of their own administrative regulations says you do not have to participate if you "wish" not to.
I've shown the Social Security office the regulation and they go and get their supervisor. You can upset their applecart in a hurry and they push you off onto another who doesn't want to deal with you.
Most of the time when you deal with public offices about securing Rights you are going up against a system that's set up for you NOT to access Rights.
The IRS office has a poster in the lobby that says they will not violate your Civil Rights.....ask them how they can help you attain your Bill of Rights and see what happens....they aren't in the business of them helping you to telling them to get lost.......they are there to take from you without violating any Civil Rights.
Like I said there are no forms to file and you find yourself politely directing the various departments about what you are trying to accomplish.
If after three attempts someone understands just little....you've made progress.

[palani]

I'll stick up for palani here.

That's a first.

And I will agree with 7th trump to this extent: Baby steps in dealing with bureaucracy are required but don't expect to teach them or to win any reward. You don't want to go ballistic when it appears you are not getting your way. You aren't training them. You are training yourself and that is all that matters.

The reason you hear about these 'mountain men' type is because they APPEAR and they show up prepared to argue or fight. Both actions are dishonorable and dishonor is repaid with dishonor. In other words the more they fight and argue the more they lose. They end up in contempt or with a long sentence because the system doesn't want to see them again for a while. To succeed (aka being left alone) don't go in with an attitude but go in with a lot of questions. Asking .... AS-KING. As soon as you make a statement you have entered the realm of argument. That is your soft spot. The system knows it and they are going to try to get you to make a statement. The statement is the end of inquiry and the end of due process. The question is a conditional. No contract is formed as long as a conditional is on the table.

[chad]

found guilty, fined $150.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/24/i-am-the-living-man-protected-by-natural-law-you-are-probably-going-to-want-to-watch-this-epic-court-testimony/

[mick silver]

at lease he;s not in jail for 10 years are more . he got to learn something for 150 bucks

[Ares]

at lease he;s not in jail for 10 years are more . he got to learn something for 150 bucks

The process I went through with Refused For Cause. It's amazing how those three simple words work in contract law. You can refuse for cause traffic citations, parking citations, even IRS issues if done properly.

[govcheetos]

Pretty cool show until 7:18 mark.

[govcheetos]

I try to stay the fuck away from any uniformed costumed people with a badge and thus stay out of a corporate system designed to take my ferns away in order to keep me out of some fucked up system.

This in my view is the same as the medical industry which can also take away my ferns and freedom to live.


Something that has stuck with me:

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?65797-Carpe-Libertas&highlight=carpe+libertas

[ximmy]

found guilty, fined $150.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/24/i-am-the-living-man-protected-by-natural-law-you-are-probably-going-to-want-to-watch-this-epic-court-testimony/

bumped in case someone missed it. Mountain man found guilty


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1cMHur0GkQ

[mamboni]

Please watch the video and listen verycarefully to what the man says. His language is precise and accurate. This is avery intelligent man. He stands on a solid granite foundation of jurisprudence. At the end of the video, the judge vacates the court withoutadjourning and thereby de facto dismisses all the charges against this justman, without declaring it. The court in effect admits to having no jurisdictionover this free man. Notice how he walks right past the judge and exits thecourt and the court officers do absolutely nothing. Do you understand what alegal fiction is? Do you know that your Social Security number is a bankaccount number owned by the Federal Reserve Bank and you represent collateralon the national debt? Your name is deliberately and specifically printed in allcapitals on your birth certificate because that is the legal fiction that thecourts can attach levies, fines, leans and the like onto, not you the physicalperson. The American Flag displayed in the court room has a gold fringe, toindicate that it is subject to admiralty law, the law of the privatebankers/British crown, not the natural law guaranteed to you by the United StatesConstitution of 1789. This is why the man refers to the gold-fringe flag as the‘Jolly Roger,’ a historically accurate reference to the English privateers thatruled the waves during the 17th and 18th centuries at thebehest of the British Crown. The man asserts that the judge is not arepresentative of the natural law of the people, but a mere privateer, an agentof the banks. Your forefathers fought and died so that you and your childrencould live as free men under the natural law of the Creator, not be debt slavesto the international bankers. The Federal Reserve Bank is a private corporationwhose stock is owned by several families. These stocks are not publicallytraded and you cannot buy them. That the president appoints the Fed Chairman isbut a political fig leaf. You cannot free yourself unless you understand thelaw and the banks.



None are morehopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
JohannWolfgang von Goethe (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/johann_wolfgang_von_goeth.html)

[mamboni]

bumped in case someone missed it. Mountain man found guilty


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1cMHur0GkQ

I think I just saw a display of raw oppression and violence by the corporate state on a free man. The Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves.

[Ares]

Your forefathers fought and died so that you and your childrencould live as free men under the natural law of the Creator, not be debt slavesto the international bankers.

One only needs to read the Treaty Of Paris to see otherwise. The Founding fathers set themselves up nicely, while everyone else was still on the hook for the debt. If we "won" the war, why would we still need to repay King George for the debt? Hmmm

[mick silver]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/mba/lowres/law-order-hostile_witness-lawyer-hostile-arrogant-jackasses-mban1255l.jpg

[iOWNme]

There is only 1 way to guarantee that the good and innocent ALWAYS WIN.

The Good guys have to be better at using violence than the Bad guys.


I dont care how many times you were propagandized into thinking that 'violence is wrong', and 'violence is never the answer'. That is a meme that has been triained into you by your Masters. They have carefully trained you that all 'citizen' violence falls into the same moral category. THAT IS A LIE. It is the INITIATION of violence that is immoral and unjust, while it is the DEFENSIVE use of violence that is completely rational, logical, reasonable, justifiable and MORALLY RIGHT.

This man only wanted to eat some food. ANYONE who would look to the scribbles of 'Politicans' to see if he is allowed to do that is only helping further the agenda of the total and complete ENSLAVEMENT of the individual.

If you think you can out scribble the politicians, YOU ARE WRONG. They only understand one thing: FORCE.

[Cebu_4_2]

Where is the rest of that court scene?

[Hillbilly]

There is only 1 way to guarantee that the good and innocent ALWAYS WIN.

The Good guys have to be better at using violence than the Bad guys.


I dont care how many times you were propagandized into thinking that 'violence is wrong', and 'violence is never the answer'. That is a meme that has been triained into you by your Masters. They have carefully trained you that all 'citizen' violence falls into the same moral category. THAT IS A LIE. It is the INITIATION of violence that is immoral and unjust, while it is the DEFENSIVE use of violence that is completely rational, logical, reasonable, justifiable and MORALLY RIGHT.

This man only wanted to eat some food. ANYONE who would look to the scribbles of 'Politicans' to see if he is allowed to do that is only helping further the agenda of the total and complete ENSLAVEMENT of the individual.

If you think you can out scribble the politicians, YOU ARE WRONG. They only understand one thing: FORCE.

That worked for Claude Dallas for a while when the odds were even or even 2 to 1 but eventually they overpowered him with numbers and resources and even after a jurry of his pears was going to let him go the Judge set aside the decision and gave him 30 years.

[palani]

If we "won" the war, why would we still need to repay King George for the debt? Hmmm

Look up a book on google book dealing with diplomatic letters of the early republic. Seems the U.S. stiffed the French pretty badly on debts owed to them for financing the revolutionary war. So much so that King George stepped in and bought the French debt. All of a sudden the debt gets owed to Great Britain rather than the U.S. allies and a seemingly endless cycle of bankruptcy begins. But don't forget ... it all started because the U.S. couldn't figure out how to pay their French debt.

You can also go back into google newspapers and read any number of accounts in the 1795-1800 period where the U.S. was on the verge of going to war with the French. The relationship was not good.

[7th trump]

Look up a book on google book dealing with diplomatic letters of the early republic. Seems the U.S. stiffed the French pretty badly on debts owed to them for financing the revolutionary war. So much so that King George stepped in and bought the French debt. All of a sudden the debt gets owed to Great Britain rather than the U.S. allies and a seemingly endless cycle of bankruptcy begins. But don't forget ... it all started because the U.S. couldn't figure out how to pay their French debt.

You can also go back into google newspapers and read any number of accounts in the 1795-1800 period where the U.S. was on the verge of going to war with the French. The relationship was not good.

Yep I agree!
This is the core reason the Articles of Confederacy were revamped into the US Constitution because none of the Several States were willing to pay its fare share of the war debt on an individual basis.
A central government was needed to impose and collect taxes to pay for the newly fought freedom.
Some here will argue with me, but the US Constitution was needed to deal with international issues (international debt; war debt) and so the US Constitution was ratified forming a central government to collect taxes for debt reasons.

[govcheetos]

I appreciate this guy's beliefs, but it boils down to he is a slave just like the rest of us.

You can't go catching the king's fish without first getting permission. (license). If you don't want to get permission you'd better be able to play it cool and not get caught. You could always make yourself king, but that's a pretty big feat in this day in age with all of the king's men around. When the prison guard is making his rounds it would be a good time to wrap up your dice game. Don't go in front of the warden expecting him to hear your story about all your rights and how his rules don't apply to you. Don't get me wrong. We were all created free, but have allowed the system to grow so large that it is practically inescapable.

If you are gonna run off the farm be good at hiding out in the swamps.

[Hillbilly]

We are only left with two choices in this day and age to be either: A Field Nigger and work our asses off and live in constant fear of the Man or be a House Nigger and work for the man and live a little bit better life than the Field Nigger. Malcom X was catching on in the end and had some good things to say about it.

[Neuro]

We are only left with two choices in this day and age to be either: A Field Nigger and work our asses off and live in constant fear of the Man or be a House Nigger and work for the man and live a little bit better life than the Field Nigger. Malcom X was catching on in the end and had some good things to say about it.
I'll pick to be the Swamp-man!!

[palani]

We are only left with two choices in this day and age to be either: A Field Nigger and work our asses off and live in constant fear of the Man or be a House Nigger and work for the man and live a little bit better life than the Field Nigger.

In Montana the defendant also had another choice. Rather than going in proclaiming his own rights he might have proclaimed the rights of an individual under the Treaty of Cession. The Louisiana Purchase extends to cover most of Montana and treaty violations have the potential to be more disruptive to the present government than all the constitutional violations one might complain of.


Art: III

The inhabitants of the ceded territory shall be incorporated in the Union of the United States and admitted as soon as possible according to the principles of the federal Constitution to the enjoyment of all these rights, advantages and immunities of citizens of the United States, and in the mean time they shall be maintained and protected in the free enjoyment of their liberty, property and the Religion which they profess.

Note that no argument is required. You merely stand there and "profess" your liberty, property and religion. No need to defend yourself or your position.


profess (adj.)
"openly declared," 1560s, past participle adjective from profess.

[7th trump]

In Montana the defendant also had another choice. Rather than going in proclaiming his own rights he might have proclaimed the rights of an individual under the Treaty of Cession. The Louisiana Purchase extends to cover most of Montana and treaty violations have the potential to be more disruptive to the present government than all the constitutional violations one might complain of.



Note that no argument is required. You merely stand there and "profess" your liberty, property and religion. No need to defend yourself or your position.

Wrong interpretation.....the same wrong interpretation you use when reading 12usc 411.
This does not say you profess your liberty or property.....it says the profession of religion!
What this says is until (in the mean time) a State is formed out of the territory and admitted into the Union of the Several states the inhabitants of such territory have their land and property maintained and protected in the free enjoyment along with which ever religion they profess to being a member of.

You are inflict your own incompetents because you're blind with conspiracy!

Also you cannot claim this territory law "thingy" as it doesn't have any jurisdiction once a Union state is formed out of the territory.
A territory doesn't exist once a unions state is formed out of it.
How fucking stupid are you?

And to think some idiots will listen to you.
You're a perfect example of the blind leading the blind into a ditch!

[palani]

This does not say you profess your liberty or property.....it says the profession of religion! My LIBERTY and PROPERTY ARE my religion!!!


Also you cannot claim this territory law "thingy" as it doesn't have any jurisdiction once a Union state is formed out of the territory. Interim states might be formed but until the 'real' thing comes along then the 'mean time' has expired. So far the real thing is conspicuously absent.



A territory doesn't exist once a unions state is formed out of it. This statement really shows the level of your intellect. States are not formed of territory. States are formed of body politic ... PEOPLE.

How fucking stupid are you? Apparently not quite as stupid as you are.


And to think some idiots will listen to you. How can they do this if I am not SPEAKING?


You're a perfect example of the blind leading the blind into a ditch! If you are blind then who do you have reading this to you? And why are you attracted to ditches?

[7th trump]

My LIBERTY and PROPERTY ARE my religion!!!

Interim states might be formed but until the 'real' thing comes along then the 'mean time' has expired. So far the real thing is conspicuously absent.


This statement really shows the level of your intellect. States are not formed of territory. States are formed of body politic ... PEOPLE.
Apparently not quite as stupid as you are.

How can they do this if I am not SPEAKING?

If you are blind then who do you have reading this to you? And why are you attracted to ditches?

Absent.....?
More double speak from you palani.
What do you think the 50 union states are dipshit?
Iowa, as in all the states, have boundaries. I see this every time I cross the Mississippi into Illinois.....big sign that says "Welcome to Illinois".

States aren't political you twit....the people living inside the state boundaries are though.
See the People have a political choice.
They can either be "The People"........or they can be "US citizens."

Here's what the courts have said....need I have to remind you all the time?


“We have in our political system a government of the United States and a government of each of the several States. Each one of these governments is distinct from the others, and each has citizens of it’s own...”
United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)

Notice moron..........it doesn't say "political state"...its says political system of government.


“...he was not a citizen of the United States, he was a citizen and voter of the State,...” “One may be a citizen of a State an yet not a citizen of the United States”.
McDonel v. The State, 90 Ind. 320 (1883)


“That there is a citizenship of the United States and citizenship of a state,...”
Tashiro v. Jordan, 201 Cal. 236 (1927)


"A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government ..."
Kitchens v. Steele, 112 F.Supp 383

It wont matter reminding you because you'll never admit you're a failure and humble yourself to be a winner....you'll keep on with your bullshit agenda of partial truths to fit your belief system.

You'd rather believe in bullshit conspiracy premises when the truth is standing in front of you.

[Tumbleweed]

I like this guy Ernie Tertelgte and near the end of this video he tells the SOB's " there time is a comin". :-)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxUunEPUGN4

[Cebu_4_2]

Southern style legalize on Northern bankers. I pray it works for him. He is game for title and capture if innocent. Clogging the system might work If all challenge it.

[Santa]

I like this guy Ernie Tertelgte and near the end of this video he tells the SOB's " there time is a comin". :-)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxUunEPUGN4

That was great. I'm in awe. I'd actually vote for the Man, Ernie Tertelgte to be my representative in the office of president of the USA. No one else.
I've never heard a clearer intellect. He speaks like a founder. Like stepping back through a portal in time to the original intent of the Bill of Rights.
Imagine him taking the oath of office. Rats would be jumping ship of State in droves. An absolutely brilliant Man. A true American. God bless him and that which he stands for.

[Tumbleweed]

There's a three hour video of mostly Ernie Wagne Tertelghte explaining legal terminology, money, Jews, governments, God and the Devil. I've listened to two hours of it and it's very interesting and it hasn't been boring. I'll finish it and will probably listen again. He's very logical, methodical and entertaining.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsNCWCQ-cLw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsNCWCQ-cLw

[Tumbleweed]

Ernie got arrested for driving without a license and he's putting up a fight. :)





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-YfokKT9eI

[Tumbleweed]

A little more here from Ernie on getting caught driving without a License.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkoAY2NjEDk

[7th trump]

A little more here from Ernie on getting caught driving without a License.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkoAY2NjEDk

At 2:11 he says hes not a 14th amendment citizen by means of not being a elected official.
Sorry buddy you're a 14th amendment citizen because you have a ssn.
He'll lose because hes arrogant to think the 14th amendment citizen is confined to a public office of one sort or another. The freed slaves werent office holders so have fun in clinker dumb ass.

[Tumbleweed]

Here's a little more on Ernie being a slave and someone who's known him for forty years and never heard him tell a lie.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADemncGpTg0

[Tumbleweed]

A short video of Ernie on the BAR association, treason and the punishment for that.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-cjGrEx6o

[Ares]

At 2:11 he says hes not a 14th amendment citizen by means of not being a elected official.
Sorry buddy you're a 14th amendment citizen because you have a ssn.
He'll lose because hes arrogant to think the 14th amendment citizen is confined to a public office of one sort or another. The freed slaves werent office holders so have fun in clinker dumb ass.

You still have your SSN, are you a 14th Amendment citizen?

[Neuro]

I think this may be the right thread to ask...

If you are born in let's say Idaho, but your mother gave birth to you in your parents house, never bothered to get a birth certificate. And you don't have a SSN, because you never bothered to apply for one. How would it be established that you are an American free man on the land?

For all we know, you could just be a Swedish citizen entering on a visa, and deciding to stay in Idaho and claim you are an American...

[Ares]

I think this may be the right thread to ask...

If you are born in let's say Idaho, but your mother gave birth to you in your parents house, never bothered to get a birth certificate. And you don't have a SSN, because you never bothered to apply for one. How would it be established that you are an American free man on the land?

For all we know, you could just be a Swedish citizen entering on a visa, and deciding to stay in Idaho and claim you are an American...

The burden of proof at that point would be on the government to prove that you are a U.S. Citizen. With no Birth Certificate or Social Slavery Number, for all intents and purposes that individual would be a free man or woman. It also limits their ability to participate in society as it has grown away from organic natural law to this corporate sue happy imaginary fiction.

[7th trump]

You still have your SSN, are you a 14th Amendment citizen?

I'm working with the state of Iowa to recognize me as a state citizen.
They cannot permanently take away your constitutional rights when asked to have them returned.
The courts say you can go from being a "US citizen" to "The people" and visa versa at anytime.

Whats quite surprising is that Iowa didnt know anything about this dual citizenship. Nor how to deal with it. They've been dealing with federal US citizens for so long they didnt know a state citizen can exist, but thats because a few generations of being ignorant of the law has made it this way.
I'm working on getting a plate for my vehicles that is codified as a "state citizen", We the People.

Once a state recognizes you as a State citizen and you dont use the ssn any more I dont see the feds being a problem.

[7th trump]

I think this may be the right thread to ask...

If you are born in let's say Idaho, but your mother gave birth to you in your parents house, never bothered to get a birth certificate. And you don't have a SSN, because you never bothered to apply for one. How would it be established that you are an American free man on the land?

For all we know, you could just be a Swedish citizen entering on a visa, and deciding to stay in Idaho and claim you are an American...

If you can prove you were born in the state you are automatically a state citizen, We the People.
Ever wonder why the hospitals push the ssn on the new born before leaving the hospitals?

They dont want "The People" to ever have any legal standing where they are above the federal government.

The best kept secret is keeping the populace ignorant of how to become "We the People".

[Neuro]

If you can prove you were born in the state you are automatically a state citizen, We the People.


How do you prove that without a birth certificate?

[palani]

I'm working with the state of Iowa to recognize me as a state citizen.

That's rich. Don't you understand that a citizen of any sort is a SUBJECT?

Maybe you should ask "What am I asking to be SUBJECT to?"

[palani]

They dont want "The People" to ever have any legal standing where they are above the federal government.

The FEDERAL government abaondoned ship in 1868. You must be talking about the NATIONAL government that replaced it in the territory known as THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.

[Ares]

I'm working with the state of Iowa to recognize me as a state citizen.
They cannot permanently take away your constitutional rights when asked to have them returned.
The courts say you can go from being a "US citizen" to "The people" and visa versa at anytime.

Whats quite surprising is that Iowa didnt know anything about this dual citizenship. Nor how to deal with it. They've been dealing with federal US citizens for so long they didnt know a state citizen can exist, but thats because a few generations of being ignorant of the law has made it this way.
I'm working on getting a plate for my vehicles that is codified as a "state citizen", We the People.

Once a state recognizes you as a State citizen and you dont use the ssn any more I dont see the feds being a problem.

Good job, I've been looking into that recently as well and is why I had asked the question. My parents, just as like as your parents requested to obtain a SSN number and from what I've been able to read there really isn't a way to (that I have found so far) to return it. The government will always determine that the number belongs to you.

[7th trump]

Good job, I've been looking into that recently as well and is why I had asked the question. My parents, just as like as your parents requested to obtain a SSN number and from what I've been able to read there really isn't a way to (that I have found so far) to return it. The government will always determine that the number belongs to you.

The number is assigned to you and cant be given back, but thats not the issue. The issue is getting the feds to recognize you as "The People". And the only way that I see that can be accomplished is for the State to recognize you.
I can declare all I want at my personal level that I'm "We the People" but the feds will not recognize this because there is not any federal document to sign under penalty of perjury declaring so. Furthermore, the feds have no jurisdiction in THIS particular State affair so naturally the feds will not have any document for you declaring so.
The Bill of Rights rest at the State level. And its these Rights that distinguishes "The People" from "US citizens".

[7th trump]

The FEDERAL government abaondoned ship in 1868. You must be talking about the NATIONAL government that replaced it in the territory known as THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.

As usual palani doesnt want t obe viewed as a fool that he is, so he has to intervene and muddy up the water with his conspiracies he cant allow to be ignored.

[palani]

The number is assigned to you and cant be given back...

The NUMBER is a NUMBER.

Are YOU a NUMBER? Or a Numb-er?

[palani]

he has to intervene....

The TRIVIUM consists of Rhetoric, Logic and Grammer (sic). Have you actually studied any of them?

[7th trump]

The TRIVIUM consists of Rhetoric, Logic and Grammer (sic). Have you actually studied any of them?

Dont have to...I know your full of shit and conspiracy.

[monty]

How do you prove that without a birth certificate?

Families used to record births, marriages and deaths in the front of family bible. My mother did that even though we all had birth certificates.

edit: you could have 2 or more persons who personally knew your parents and knew you were born in Idaho write affidavits swearing to that knowledge also.

Record those affidavits in the county recorders office.

[palani]

Dont have to...

Of course I knew this before I asked the question. Isn't it obvious?

[Tumbleweed]

A documentery is in progress on Ernie and there is information about that at this link.

https://thementalmilitia.net/ernie/


This is the trailer to the documentary that has been done.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjb_UI0uNLE

[Bigjon]

Good job, I've been looking into that recently as well and is why I had asked the question. My parents, just as like as your parents requested to obtain a SSN number and from what I've been able to read there really isn't a way to (that I have found so far) to return it. The government will always determine that the number belongs to you.

The number belongs to your strawman, your all caps name.

[7th trump]

Of course I knew this before I asked the question. Isn't it obvious?

So you knew you were full of shit to begin with huh?
Yeah its obvious you're full of shit...why do you think I replied the way I did asshole?

[7th trump]

The number belongs to your strawman, your all caps name.

No such thing as a strawman....you're either-
1. A blood and flesh State citizen or-
2. You are a blood and flesh State citizen thats applied for a ssn and under the jurisdiction of Congress (dual citizenship's). Under this jurisdiction (US citizen) the federal citizenship is dominate over State citizenship (We the People).

You cant be "We the People" (kings) and be subject (slave) to the government you're king over. Therefore the federal US citizenship takes precedence.

[Bigjon]

No such thing as a strawman....you're either-
1. A blood and flesh State citizen or-
2. You are a blood and flesh State citizen thats applied for a ssn and under the jurisdiction of Congress (dual citizenship's). Under this jurisdiction (US citizen) the federal citizenship is dominate over State citizenship (We the People).

You cant be "We the People" (kings) and be subject (slave) to the government you're king over. Therefore the federal US citizenship takes precedence.

http://sedm.org/Forms/05-MemLaw/StrawMan.pdf

"straw man theory" deals mainly with the concept of the two aspects of natural persons: 1. A physical person; 2. A legal person. The fact that there is a legal person or "res" as the dictionary defines doesn't imply that this "res" has a dollar value that can be denominated and exchanged for money using birth certificates. We don't advocate that and this approach has gotten a lot of people in trouble and is commonly called "redemption". On the other hand, we do agree that the government does in fact deal mainly with our "legal person" or "artificial twin" using all capital letters, and pretends like this "legal person", which is technically a "federal corporation" resides (has a "res" in Washington D.C.), which is where they think they get their (in reality nonexistent ) jurisdiction to apply the income tax laws to us. We agree that this straw man exists and that the government uses it to trick us and deprive us of rights but we don't agree that it has a dollar value that can be redeemed or used as a basis for government debt, which is what we condemn in this section of the Hoax.

[7th trump]

http://sedm.org/Forms/05-MemLaw/StrawMan.pdf

"straw man theory" deals mainly with the concept of the two aspects of natural persons: 1. A physical person; 2. A legal person. The fact that there is a legal person or "res" as the dictionary defines doesn't imply that this "res" has a dollar value that can be denominated and exchanged for money using birth certificates. We don't advocate that and this approach has gotten a lot of people in trouble and is commonly called "redemption". On the other hand, we do agree that the government does in fact deal mainly with our "legal person" or "artificial twin" using all capital letters, and pretends like this "legal person", which is technically a "federal corporation" resides (has a "res" in Washington D.C.), which is where they think they get their (in reality nonexistent ) jurisdiction to apply the income tax laws to us. We agree that this straw man exists and that the government uses it to trick us and deprive us of rights but we don't agree that it has a dollar value that can be redeemed or used as a basis for government debt, which is what we condemn in this section of the Hoax.
Sed.org...says it all right there.
Not a creditable source and most of what they espouse are conspiracy theories.
Hence.....
."straw man theory"

I suspect thats where palani spends a lot of his internet time at.

That whole thing read as pure speculation. Every point they try to make is sewn together with pure speculation.
Please try not to insult my intelligence...palani does and look how I treat that idiot.

[monty]

Sed.org...says it all right there.
Not a creditable source and most of what they espouse are conspiracy theories.
Hence.....

I suspect thats where palani spends a lot of his internet time at.

That whole thing read as pure speculation. Every point they try to make is sewn together with pure speculation.
Please try not to insult my intelligence...palani does and look how I treat that idiot.

https://www.1215.org/lawnotes/work-in-progress/strawmanrevealed.ppt

[crimethink]

The number belongs to your strawman, your all caps name.

My birth certificate has standard capitalization, first letter upper case, the rest lower. So what does that say about your theory?

[monty]

permanent injuction against sedm.org/famguardian.org https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/tax/legacy/2006/06/05/HansenInjunction.pdf
f
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[Bigjon]

My birth certificate has standard capitalization, first letter upper case, the rest lower. So what does that say about your theory?

The subject is Social Security Numbers.

What does your birth certificate have to do with SSN's?

My Certificate of live birth spells my name in standard English grammar and my Birth Certificate spells my name in all upper case letters.

[crimethink]

The subject is Social Security Numbers.

What does your birth certificate have to do with SSN's?

My Certificate of live birth spells my name in standard English grammar and my Birth Certificate spells my name in all upper case letters.

The "redemption" bullshit consistently cites ALL CAPS birth certificates as the basis of the alleged "strawman" to which you refer. The SSN is allegedly a derivative thereof.


http://humansarefree.com/2015/07/heres-why-your-legal-name-is-written-in.html

[Bigjon]

The "redemption" bullshit consistently cites ALL CAPS birth certificates as the basis of the alleged "strawman" to which you refer. The SSN is allegedly a derivative thereof.


http://humansarefree.com/2015/07/heres-why-your-legal-name-is-written-in.html

Well the piece I posted agrees with you. Not quite as crudely, but
1. A physical person; 2. A legal person. The fact that there is a legal person or "res" as the dictionary defines doesn't imply that this "res" has a dollar value that can be denominated and exchanged for money using birth certificates. We don't advocate that and this approach has gotten a lot of people in trouble and is commonly called "redemption".

So, what how does your Birth Certificate appear as opposed to your Certificate of live birth?

[crimethink]

So, what how does your Birth Certificate appear as opposed to your Certificate of live birth?

Ah, here comes the sophistry.

It's the same damn thing. Disagree? Show us in the statutes where it is not.

[Glass]

I think Birth Certificate is a Certificate of Registration of Live Birth. It is certification that such a document or record exists but not the actual record itself.

I don't know what the other document would be called but it would be something along the lines of Record of Live Birth or Registration of Live Birth. Certainly that would be the purpose of it. I know here that Birth Certificates are created after a record is extracted. Before some year of birth which might be 1985 that extraction process takes some number of weeks. After that 1985 birth year everything was computer archived and the certificate takes 3 days. The bulk of the 3 days is required for the Registrar to sign it. Where as the bulk of the time for the older records, I assume is to locate and "extract" them, then have them signed.

I inquired about the other document and I was told in very terse language, we don't have those, then, we don't talk about those or answer questions about those. Something to that effect.

[cheka.]

i havent watched these yet, just part of part 1. seems might be relevant to this thread


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PgX8l9AgzE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eifUePBmJOg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46XrEeEg5CQ

[palani]

you knew you were full of... asshole?
The question was concerning your familiarity with the Trivium ... not your misplaced belief in your superior intellect.

[Bigjon]

Ah, here comes the sophistry.

It's the same damn thing. Disagree? Show us in the statutes where it is not.

My COLB makes my mother an informant and unwed and me a bastard, because even though my mother was married for 2 years before I showed up, the COLB does not mention him.

After some length of time a Birth Certificate was issued on Bond paper with a CUSIP number on it and my NAME in all caps.

There are 2 different documents, maybe you should request a copy of your BC?

[crimethink]

My COLB makes my mother an informant and unwed and me a bastard, because even though my mother was married for 2 years before I showed up, the COLB does not mention him.

After some length of time a Birth Certificate was issued on Bond paper with a CUSIP number on it and my NAME in all caps.

There are 2 different documents, maybe you should request a copy of your BC?

Again: It's the same damn thing. Disagree? Show us in the statutes where it is not.

[7th trump]

The question was concerning your familiarity with the Trivium ... not your misplaced belief in your superior intellect.

And you received my reply regarding your pathetic and loaded gaming question.

Ever wonder why not many respond to your bullshit?
Hint: you never answer questions so why should anyone start answering yours?

[Bigjon]

Again: It's the same damn thing. Disagree? Show us in the statutes where it is not.

Well I have both of them and they are not the same and both of mine are authenticated by SOS of Minnesota and SOS of the United States.

You are just ignorant. And I don't care to do your leg work.

[midnight rambler]

Show us in the statutes where it is not.

lol

'The statutes' are 'the holy word' to Fred. Fred lives and dies by 'the statutes'. Obviously earthly Caesar* has a higher position in Fred's life than our Heavenly Father.

*as in man is god rather than God is God

[palani]

you received my reply regarding your pathetic and loaded gaming question.
A non-response is not a response. Start your own thread on your successes and check the responses.


you never answer questions so why should anyone start answering yours?
Where have I actually demanded an answer. Yet you always seem to voluntarily respond. When you figure that out get back to me and we will continue your positive learning experience.

[midnight rambler]

BTW Fred, 'the statutes' are the works of the scribes and pharisees. Fred, you're in lockstep with the scribes and pharisees. Sweet.

[palani]

'The statutes' are 'the holy word' to Fred
I agree. When you volunteer into a system of law you must agree to live by that law.

The Law of Bankrupts is and has been effect now for above the period of one bankruptcy in international law. There is nothing mandatory about it yet if you continue to cite the Law of Bankrupts you will be treated as one.

[monty]

Ah, here comes the sophistry.

It's the same damn thing. Disagree? Show us in the statutes where it is not.

I have a birth certificate from Nevada filled out by hand, not typed. I have a Certificate of Live Birth Registration from the United States Dept. of Commerce. When I applied for a passport I believed the Certificate of Live Birth was my birth certificate. I sent it with the passport application which was rejected because it is not a birth certificate..

[monty]

US Dept. of Commerce Certificate. Looks like mine.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_RiBAVA-4uA/ViuhTu4iaYI/AAAAAAAADBQ/FNiuXSmLOS0/s640/Birth_Certificate%2Bcommerce.jpg



Nevada BIRTH Certificate. Also filled in by hand like mine was

http://www.eancestry.org/docs/000227.jpg

[Ares]

There is something to this. Both of my girls have a Birth Certificate. While I am named, only my wife was required to sign it.

[midnight rambler]

There is something to this. Both of my girls have a Birth Certificate. While I am named, only my wife was required to sign it.

Your lovely wife abandoned her babies at the port of entry when she ratted them out. (not her fault, she was hornswoggled)

[Ares]

Your lovely wife abandoned her babies at the port of entry when she ratted them out. (not her fault, she was hornswoggled)

That's what I have read as well, that once signed becomes property of the state unless claimed by the father.

[midnight rambler]

There's the 'short form' and the 'long form' of the birth certificates. When I made an application for a passport I ordered up the long version mainly 'cause I wanted to see what was on it. The long form I received is a photocopy of the original document from the day of my nativity copied onto a high quality piece of paper with a raised ink border. This long from also had a number in red printed on the left (debit side of the ledger) on the long form and definitely not part of the original document. Additionally on the bottom of the long form I received 'American BankNote Company' was printed. Now I have to ask - WHY would this document have 'American BankNote Company' printed on the bottom of it? How can it not be some sort of negotiable instrument with that language on it?? ???

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cuGU_jHj-dc/USrb8YwldZI/AAAAAAAAAzA/wENWy5FhKO8/s640/State+Of+Louisiana+Birth+Certificate.jpg

[boogietillyapuke]

If she hadn't signed, would they have returned them to their point of origin? :confused:

[midnight rambler]

If she hadn't signed, would they have returned them to their point of origin? :confused:

WTH not? The point of origin is both parents.

[palani]

Reification. The concept that a piece of paper represents or registers a thing.

To the FAA this means that a slip of paper called an AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATE can be used to fly tall buildings into unsuspecting planes (as has happened previously).

To the DOT it means that a piece of paper called a MANUFACTURERS CERTIFICATE OF ORIGIN represents or registers a 2,500 lb auto.

To the DEPT OF VITAL STATISTICS it means that a REGISTRATION OF LIVE BIRTH represents a viable ex-fetus.

Also to the DEPT OF VITAL STATISTICS it means a DEATH CERTIFICATE cancels a BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

Reification is used fairly extensively by government.

[7th trump]

There's the 'short form' and the 'long form' of the birth certificates. When I made an application for a passport I ordered up the long version mainly 'cause I wanted to see what was on it. The long form I received is a photocopy of the original document from the day of my nativity copied onto a high quality piece of paper with a raised ink border. This long from also had a number in red printed on the left (debit side of the ledger) on the long form and definitely not part of the original document. Additionally on the bottom of the long form I received 'American BankNote Company' was printed. Now I have to ask - WHY would this document have 'American BankNote Company' printed on the bottom of it? How can it not be some sort of negotiable instrument with that language on it?? ???

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cuGU_jHj-dc/USrb8YwldZI/AAAAAAAAAzA/wENWy5FhKO8/s640/State+Of+Louisiana+Birth+Certificate.jpg
Because you're an idiot to conclude without actually investigating.

Maybe the same company that prints bank notes is hired to print the certificate....doesnt mean its negotiable at all.
If Ford motor company was written at the bottom would you be as stupid and think the new born is an automobile?

Ummm wait a minute dont incriminate yourself....I'll do that....of course you would!
Cause thats your logic.

[Dogman]

Real spelling for that state is "lousyana" !

;D

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Forum runner

[midnight rambler]

Because you're an idiot to conclude without actually investigating.

Maybe the same company that prints bank notes is hired to print the certificate....doesnt mean its negotiable at all.
If Ford motor company was written at the bottom would you be as stupid and think the new born is an automobile?

Ummm wait a minute dont incriminate yourself....I'll do that....of course you would!
Cause thats your logic.

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

This coming from the moron who lives in a cave rolling turds around as a pastime and didn't know that Killery Rotten* got her philosophical leanings and inspiration from Saul Alinsky. lol

*just about EVERYONE paying attention knows that

[7th trump]

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

This coming from the moron who lives in a cave rolling turds around as a pastime and didn't know that Killery Rotten* got her philosophical leanings and inspiration from Saul Alinsky. lol

*just about EVERYONE paying attention knows that

I guess I dont pay attention to communist like you do....theres that saying about birds of a feather....fitting for you isnt it.....;D

[crimethink]

Well I have both of them and they are not the same and both of mine are authenticated by SOS of Minnesota and SOS of the United States.

You are just ignorant. And I don't care to do your leg work.

You are full of shit, and can't prove your assertion. It's as simple as that.

[crimethink]

lol

'The statutes' are 'the holy word' to Fred. Fred lives and dies by 'the statutes'. Obviously earthly Caesar* has a higher position in Fred's life than our Heavenly Father.

*as in man is god rather than God is God

One of us submitted to the Babylon System for a passport. It wasn't me.

[crimethink]

WTH not? The point of origin is both parents.

The point of origin is God Almighty.

[midnight rambler]

One of us submitted to the Babylon System for a passport. It wasn't me.

Nice attempt at deflection however the fact remains that YOU hold 'the statutes' as 'the holy word' and the FINAL say on EVERYTHING. lol

So Fred, what's the very basis of Jus Gentium? Tell us...if you can, which I doubt since you worship Caesar above all others. lol

[midnight rambler]

The point of origin is God Almighty.

So if a mother refuses to sign a BC because of whatever reason and therefore will not abandon her baby at the POE then (((the authorities*))) should simply return that baby to the point of origin?? ??? Sounds about right for a jooish corporate state worshiping statist.

*your god the jooish created corporate state

[7th trump]

Nice attempt at deflection however the fact remains that YOU hold 'the statutes' as 'the holy word' and the FINAL say on EVERYTHING. lol

So Fred, what's the very basis of Jus Gentium? Tell us...if you can, which I doubt since you worship Caesar above all others. lol
Bahahahahaha Crimethink owns your ass with that one Mr. Passport

The little cho cho who thought he could....just couldnt quite make it.....................OWNED!

[crimethink]

Nice attempt at deflection however the fact remains that YOU hold 'the statutes' as 'the holy word' and the FINAL say on EVERYTHING. lol

So Fred, what's the very basis of Jus Gentium? Tell us...if you can, which I doubt since you worship Caesar above all others. lol

Why do you use the language of Caesar, if it is not in fact you, and not I, who worship Caesar?

You submitted yourself to Caesar for his passport.

The basis for so-called "international law" or "law of nations" (in Caesar's Latin term: jus gentium) is force, of course. An agreement by the various regimes of the world to enforce it upon others.

[crimethink]

So if a mother refuses to sign a BC because of whatever reason and therefore will not abandon her baby at the POE then (((the authorities*))) should simply return that baby to the point of origin?? ??? Sounds about right for a jooish corporate state worshiping statist.

*your god the jooish created corporate state

I am sorry that you are confused. "God Almighty" is Yahweh, not the issuing "god" of your passport.

Yahweh is the Author of all life. Only a materialist would assert the "origin" of a new human being is the material body.

[midnight rambler]

Why do you use the language of Caesar, if it is not in fact you, and not I, who worship Caesar?

You submitted yourself to Caesar for his passport.

The basis for so-called "international law" or "law of nations" (in Caesar's Latin term: jus gentium) is force, of course. An agreement by the various regimes of the world to enforce it upon others.

Well Fred, you just demonstrated to us how clueless you really are. THE very basis of Jus Gentium is the Pentateuch. (Not something you're going to find doing a joogle search which is apparently what you did lol)

[crimethink]

Well Fred, you just demonstrated to us how clueless you really are. THE very basis of Jus Gentium is the Pentateuch. (Not something you're going to find doing a joogle search which is apparently what you did lol)

The origin of jus gentium is Caesar. That's why it uses his language, Latin.

Are you going to try to seriously assert Caesar consulted the Bible for his decrees?

[midnight rambler]

The origin of jus gentium is Caesar. That's why it uses his language, Latin.

Are you going to try to seriously assert Caesar consulted the Bible for his decrees?

Fred, you're a completely clueless fucking dolt*, aren't you?

It just so happens that Jus Gentium translates from Latin to, you guessed it (at least I hope so)...the Law of Nations. And the Law of Nations was with mankind long before the Roman Empire, and still remains with those of us who keep it. It just so happens that the language of Rome was Latin. lol

God's Law trumps 'the statutes' EVERY SINGLE TIME.



This Jus Gentium of the Imperial jurisconsults is identical with the Law of Nature, or Natural Law, of many modern ethical and juridical writers; and both are, in fact, the law of God, made known somewhat dimly to the whole human race at all times, and set forth with unmistakable certainty and transcendent power in His revealed will. This is, in truth, the highest law by which moral beings can be governed; highest in its Lawgiver, who is omnipotent over each individual man, as well as over societies and states; highest in the absolute perfection of the rules which it contains; highest in the absolute cogency of the commands which it utters; highest in the absolute obligation of the duties which it enforces; highest in the absolute certainty and irresistible coercive power of the sanctions which it wields, and which operate upon the deepest spiritual nature of every human being. --Henry Sumner Maine, International Law scholar, from his Cambridge lecture series on International Law

People in the mid-19th century hadn't been brainwashed away from the Law of Nature and led to believe that 'the statutes' amounted to anything more than believing in figments of the imagination aka phantasms.

*I still love you Fred, despite your Satan worshiping ways

[Ares]

The origin of jus gentium is Caesar. That's why it uses his language, Latin.

Are you going to try to seriously assert Caesar consulted the Bible for his decrees?

I don't think midnight is stating that at all. But it goes back to the whole asking for permission issue. The 10th Amendment not only applies to the Federal Government, but to the states as well as the people. Looking over recent cases I'm not seeing people assert their God Given Constitutionally Protected 10th Amendment right. Same with policing, you say that it was implied. That couldn't be further from the truth. The founders intended the public to police themselves. This site is a wealth of knowledge regarding how modern day policing came into effect. http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

We gave more power to a state that was never intended to "enforce law".

Rights do not come from man made governments, all they know how to do is take, and usually by force.

[crimethink]

It just so happens that Jus Gentium translates from Latin to, you guessed it (at least I hope so)...the Law of Nations.


I didn't "guess":



The basis for so-called "international law" or "law of nations" (in Caesar's Latin term: jus gentium) is force, of course. An agreement by the various regimes of the world to enforce it upon others.




It just so happens that the language of Rome was Latin....God's Law trumps 'the statutes' EVERY SINGLE TIME.


Yet you use Caesar's language! Why not use Yahweh's words instead?





People in the mid-19th century hadn't been brainwashed away from the Law of Nature

I live my life according to these "Laws of Nature" which are part of God's Laws. I only "obey" man's "laws" as forced to. For, like I said, man's "laws" are at gunpoint (force).

[midnight rambler]

I only "obey" man's "laws" as forced to. For, like I said, man's "laws" are at gunpoint (force).

TRANSLATION: I'm weak, I succumb to phantasms, phantasms rule my life.

lol

[crimethink]

We gave more power to a state that was never intended to "enforce law".


"We" didn't give the state the power it has; the state simply took it, because they have more guns than we do.




Rights do not come from man made governments, all they know how to do is take, and usually by force.

You get no more argument from me.

I live my life according to God's Laws and the rights He has accorded me. I only comply with unjust "laws" having no authority only when I have to.

[crimethink]

TRANSLATION: I'm weak, I succumb to phantasms, phantasms rule my life.


Says he who asked the phantasm for permission to travel, aka a passport.

[Ares]

"We" didn't give the state the power it has; the state simply took it, because they have more guns than we do.

We lost those rights long before any of us were even born. This nation for all intents and purposes died when Fort Sumter fired the first shots of the Civil War.

[midnight rambler]

Says he who asked the phantasm for permission to travel, aka a passport.

Again, I repeat myself: On my application for a passport I applied strictly as a non-citizen national because of the way I filled out the application*. Last time I renewed it I used a local service that handles the deal for a $75 fee. When I handed my passport application to the fellow doing the transaction he advised, "You can't fill it out like that. If it comes back rejected it I will not be refunding your $75 fee." I said to him, "Ok, but it'll be fine, just submit it." In about two weeks my renewed passport arrived at his office at which point he told me, "That's the first time I've seen that done, and it worked without a hiccup! Pretty fast too."

*I had the perspective, correctly, that I was dealing with a government instituted of men, not imaginary things.

[7th trump]

Fred, you're a completely clueless fucking dolt*, aren't you?

It just so happens that Jus Gentium translates from Latin to, you guessed it (at least I hope so)...the Law of Nations. And the Law of Nations was with mankind long before the Roman Empire, and still remains with those of us who keep it. It just so happens that the language of Rome was Latin. lol

God's Law trumps 'the statutes' EVERY SINGLE TIME.




People in the mid-19th century hadn't been brainwashed away from the Law of Nature and led to believe that 'the statutes' amounted to anything more than believing in figments of the imagination aka phantasms.

*I still love you Fred, despite your Satan worshiping ways

How do you suppose you are to follow Gods law when you became a subject to "your" government.
Christ Himself says you cant serve two masters.

The problem is you want to be a slave to your own government but at the same time you cant pick and choose what you like about being a slave and what you dont like.
You want all the entitlements and protections of the government but when its inconvenient you run to God for help.
You cant be "WE the People" and a federal "US citizen" at the same time.
One or the other.
1. You either are "WE the People" and trust in God (as our coinage says) or-
2. Become a subject and trust in the government without question.

[Ares]

Again, I repeat myself: On my application for a passport I applied strictly as a non-citizen national because of the way I filled out the application. Last time I renewed it I used a local service that handles the deal for a $75 fee. When I handed my passport application to the fellow doing the transaction he advised, "You can't fill it out like that. If it comes back rejected it I will not be refunding your $75 fee." I said to him, "Ok, but it'll be fine, just submit it." In about two weeks my renewed passport arrived at his office at which point he told me, "That's the first time I've seen that done, and it worked without a hiccup! Pretty fast too."

Certificates of Non Citizen Nationality

The Department of State occasionally receives requests for certificates of non-citizen national status pursuant to Section 341(b)of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 USC 1452(b).

As the title of the certificate indicates, only a person who is a non-citizen U.S. national (i.e., a U.S. national but not a U.S. citizen) may apply for such a certificate.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/certificates-of-non-citizen-nationality.html

[7th trump]

We lost those rights long before any of us were even born. This nation for all intents and purposes died when Fort Sumter fired the first shots of the Civil War.

Bullshit!

[midnight rambler]

Bullshit!

Posted the forum member who is so insecure he has to rely on a Communist organization (his 'mommy') to secure employment. lol

[Ares]

Bullshit!

Oh? So we still have an organic common law government?

[midnight rambler]

Oh? So we still have an organic common law government?

Yeah, at your house!

[Ares]

Yeah, at your house!

Yeah, not even there either unfortunately. The state has determined that it knows better than me on what my property should be used for. I get to stay here and pay my yearly rent (Property taxes).

[crimethink]

We lost those rights long before any of us were even born. This nation for all intents and purposes died when Fort Sumter fired the first shots of the Civil War.

Uh, no. God's Will exists whether a state "recognizes" it or not. The state has neither the authority nor the power to cancel God's Will...or the rights He gave us.

[crimethink]

Again, I repeat myself: On my application for a passport I applied strictly as a non-citizen national because of the way I filled out the application*. Last time I renewed it I used a local service that handles the deal for a $75 fee. When I handed my passport application to the fellow doing the transaction he advised, "You can't fill it out like that. If it comes back rejected it I will not be refunding your $75 fee." I said to him, "Ok, but it'll be fine, just submit it." In about two weeks my renewed passport arrived at his office at which point he told me, "That's the first time I've seen that done, and it worked without a hiccup! Pretty fast too."

*I had the perspective, correctly, that I was dealing with a government instituted of men, not imaginary things.

The US Government does not consider you a "non-citizen national," and that's the only thing that matters. And the fact you know this to be true indicates you submitted yourself to it. And committed perjury in submitting your form.

You can't redefine the term, Jew-Jitsu-style, and claim you're not now their subject.

[crimethink]

Certificates of Non Citizen Nationality

The Department of State occasionally receives requests for certificates of non-citizen national status pursuant to Section 341(b)of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 USC 1452(b).

As the title of the certificate indicates, only a person who is a non-citizen U.S. national (i.e., a U.S. national but not a U.S. citizen) may apply for such a certificate.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/certificates-of-non-citizen-nationality.html

And midnight rambler is NOT a "non-citizen national." Regardless of his insistence to the contrary. His claim that he is makes him a liar.

[Ares]

Uh, no. God's Will exists whether a state "recognizes" it or not. The state has neither the authority nor the power to cancel God's Will...or the rights He gave us.

Agreed, however just as in Jesus time. It was the Roman state who crucified him. While technically not canceling the fathers authority, they ended Jesus being a problem for them in their time, and that is all the state cares about. Money, power, and a docile populous to rule over.

[midnight rambler]

And midnight rambler is NOT a "non-citizen national." Regardless of his insistence to the contrary. His claim that he is makes him a liar.

If you allow ANYONE to come to legal determinations/conclusions for you regarding your status without your authority then you are their bitch. There's no other way of looking at the issue.

[Dogman]

Agreed, however just as in jesus time. It was the Roman state who crucified him. While technically not canceling the fathers authority, they ended jesus being a problem for them in their time, and that is all the state cares about. Money, power, and a docile populous to rule over. Hell in those times the Romans had not a clue of a single god being supreme ! At the time it was a whole smorgasbord of gods that were worshiped.

The Christ was a grain of sand in their wheel of governance , or better explained as a nail head that was above level that needed to be driven back flat and really not on their radar at the time, that came much later.

They (Romans) did not give a flying crap who or what people worshiped as long as Caesar got his coin and the majority of the empire were happy.

Become an irratant = Jap slapped !

[Ares]

Hell in those times the Romans had not a clue of a single god being supreme ! At the time it was a whole smorgasbord of gods that were worshiped.

The Christ was a grain of sand in their wheel of governance , really not on their radar at the time, that came much later.


Yeah for a period there Christianity was a "New Age" religion.

[Dogman]

Yeah for a period there Christianity was a "New Age" religion.


Correct in many ways..!

[Glass]

MR did your number come up in a search of that Database.... I can't recall it's name. The one people say they can find their BC bond being traded?

My BC number doesn't show up AND I've heard various stories from people saying they changed the search so it blocks out BC Bond search numbers BUT then I've heard someone who says they searched and found theirs in just the last week.

My BC comes on a watermarked paper and states clearly that it is not to have anything added to the face of it, or it will be valueless. It comes with a red number of the reverse which I have tried searching to no avail. I think the red number is a way of tracking how many have been issued. The actual BC number is xx/xxxx. which doesn't seem to fit any searchable format. With out without the /,

It's also marked as part of a District which seems strange given how old it is. I had wondered if there was some kind of District bundling. Too many questions and no answers I could find so I put it aside hoping something would be revealed sometime in the future.

Just reminded me of something. Someone said that when you take out a loan and you give the bank a Power of Attorney they can use that to go and get new Birth certificates for you which they use for their own purposes. I intended to, (but never did) ask the Births and Deaths people if they could tell me how many applications they had fulfilled for my BC and to whom they gave them. I think that would be interesting.

[crimethink]

Agreed, however just as in Jesus time. It was the Roman state who crucified him. While technically not canceling the fathers authority, they ended Jesus being a problem for them in their time, and that is all the state cares about. Money, power, and a docile populous to rule over.

Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

It was God's Will to allow Christ's crucifixion.

One can exercise any right God has bestowed. Granted, in many cases, it will make you an "outlaw." But the key is to not get caught. :)

The state has the power to deny rights, but no authority to deny rights.

[palani]

for a period there Christianity was a "New Age" religion.

The new age at the time was Pisces (a fish).

This age is Aquarius (water).

Moses had to put down the calf worshippers (Taurus) because his new age was Aries (ram).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Astro_signs.svg/400px-Astro_signs.svg.png

[Glass]

cheka
I watched the first one of these. It was nearly 3 hours but I think worth it and yes it fits nicely in here and other discussions we've had on these topics. It does state a lot of what I've come to know and also adds some new things to tie it back to some origins I wasn't aware of or clear on. But the bulk of it I've been becoming aware of these past couple years, although that seems to be accelerating. As if something is coming to a head. I can see a lot of tie ins with other info, things like the numberology, the hatibow material, the lambda, the encoding in everything we see, hear and know.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PgX8l9AgzE


The thing that I'm getting from all of this type of material is that we seem to be in a loop. So many clues or suggestions that is the case. We seem to be repeating something. And I'm starting to suspect the key is, that some people know. They know the future or more correctly the cycle we are repeating. The prophesy. And they are using this knowledge. They are taking advantage. it's an idea that might become more refined as I continue to dig. Or absorb. I'm not sure which it is.

Thanks for posting.

[monty]

Ernie Wayne ter Telgte is back in court again


http://youtu.be/SQf3AAg_SWA

https://youtu.be/SQf3AAg_SWA



http://youtu.be/GBNHJYS53xU

https://youtu.be/GBNHJYS53xU

[Tumbleweed]

Ernie tells the story of a wolf dog creature that was shot in Montana years ago. I'll put links below the video you can go to to see photos of it and the rifle that was used to shoot it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqt4xG8b5fs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqt4xG8b5fs



http://cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news... (http://cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/dna-sw/)

http://www.paranormal-fr.net/forum/vi... (http://www.paranormal-fr.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=29385)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-n... (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926368/posts)

[monty]

Ernie's letter to the Montana governor


http://youtu.be/GWB9kGHrbJw

https://youtu.be/GWB9kGHrbJw

Part 2


http://youtu.be/A5ZVC6Zgjtk

https://youtu.be/A5ZVC6Zgjtk

[monty]

More ernie-wayne tertelgte


http://youtu.be/N--3mgveF18

https://youtu.be/N--3mgveF18

[monty]

Meet Ernie's Mom ~ Elias Alias


http://youtu.be/b5KfzmrXvFI

https://youtu.be/b5KfzmrXvFI


http://youtu.be/rnz2JKV6Oes

https://youtu.be/rnz2JKV6Oes

[Tumbleweed]

Ernie is explaining the meaning of words and the constitution of 1789. He's also explaining the difference of the law of the land and the law of the sea. He thinks he could have a meaningful conversation with the secretary of the interior Ryan Zinke. I don't think he could because Zinke has already sold his soul to the devil.






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5rb8Eyun8U




Ernie thinks these federal judges using the law of the sea on land should be taken out to sea and made to walk the plank.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G0WfFdOuQs





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKCnlFugKFU

[monty]

Elias Alias has a series, The “ernie” Chronicles: copyrighted and ecxlusive to Redoubt News. This one is Getting to Know ernie



The “ernie” Chronicles: Getting To Know ernie


ERNIE IS IN JAIL BECAUSE HE THINKS THAT A VICTORY IN SOCIETY’S COURT SYSTEM IS SOMEHOW MEANINGFUL.

April 18, 2018 (https://redoubtnews.com/2018/04/) ernie Chronicles (https://redoubtnews.com/category/ernie-chronicles/), Featured (https://redoubtnews.com/category/featured/)


https://redoubtnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/arrow.jpg (http://arrowtotheheartbook.com/)


https://redoubtnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/2-a-678x381.jpgIn July of 1805 members of the Lewis and Clark Expedition climbed atop what today is named “Map Rock”, from where they mapped the three incoming rivers which make the headwaters of the Missouri River at Three Forks, Montana. The three incoming rivers were named the Jefferson, the Madison, and the Gallatin Rivers. Two hundred and ten years later, ernie commemorated that historic point in our history by climbing the same Map Rock with his Betsy Ross flag and his musket.

The “ernie” Chronicles:
Getting To Know ernie



https://redoubtnews.com/2018/04/ernie-chronicles-know-ernie/

[Tumbleweed]

David Icke explains "common law" and "The Law of the Sea". I think he does a nice job and there's sure some pretty scenery and relaxing music to go with it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeowxDhb5ls

"They've been hiding this from you for centuries"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeowxDhb5ls

[ziero0]

The only law that applies to you is called the Law of Your Being. Nobody wants to discuss this one much.

The other laws apply to you based on your position. Have a license to drive? You got DOT law. Want to pilot a plane? FAA is your law. Want to be agent for a city, village or township? State statutes are for your behavior. Want to get married? (THIS IS NOT A PROPOSAL). The junction of a Man and Woman (or a thing and anything else) creates a legal fiction subject to certain state statutes. Want to be subject to TREASURY rules? Make their currency the center of your life.

You declare the law you want to be subject to by your understanding/consent.

Maritime law is the Law of Money and bonds.. The Coast Guard is a Treasury AGENT. (Their shoulder boards still exhibit the Treasury shield). Common law is masculine. Females have Equity.