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Cebu_4_2
22nd November 2013, 08:45 AM
Democracy Returns to the Senate By THE EDITORIAL BOARD (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/opinion/editorialboard.html)
For five years, Senate Republicans have refused to allow confirmation votes on dozens of perfectly qualified candidates nominated by President Obama for government positions. They tried to nullify entire federal agencies by denying them leaders. They abused Senate rules past the point of tolerance or responsibility. And so they were left enraged and threatening revenge on Thursday when a majority did the only logical thing and stripped away their power to block the president’s nominees.




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In a 52-to-48 vote (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/22/us/politics/reid-sets-in-motion-steps-to-limit-use-of-filibuster.html) that substantially altered the balance of power in Washington, the Senate changed its most infuriating rule and effectively ended the filibuster on executive and judicial appointments. From now on, if any senator tries to filibuster a presidential nominee, that filibuster can be stopped with a simple majority, not the 60-vote requirement of the past. That means a return to the democratic process of giving nominees an up-or-down vote, allowing them to be either confirmed or rejected by a simple majority.
The only exceptions are nominations to the Supreme Court, for which a filibuster would still be allowed. But now that the Senate has begun to tear down undemocratic procedures, the precedent set on Thursday will increase the pressure to end those filibusters, too.


This vote was long overdue. “I have waited 18 years for this moment,” said Senator Tom Harkin, Democrat of Iowa.
It would have been unthinkable just a few months ago, when the majority leader, Harry Reid, was still holding out hope for a long-lasting deal with Republicans and insisting that federal judges, because of their lifetime appointments, should still be subject to supermajority thresholds. But Mr. Reid, along with all but three Senate Democrats, was pushed to act by the Republicans’ refusal to allow any appointments to the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, just because they wanted to keep a conservative majority on that important court.


That move was as outrageous as the tactic they used earlier this year to try to cripple the National Labor Relations Board and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (which they despise) by blocking all appointments to those agencies. That obstruction was removed in July when Mr. Reid threatened to end the filibuster and Republicans backed down. The recent blockade of judges to the D.C. appellate court was the last straw.


Republicans warned that the rule change could haunt the Democrats if they lost the White House and the Senate. But the Constitution gives presidents the right to nominate top officials in their administration and name judges, and it says nothing about the ability of a Senate minority to stop them. (The practice barely existed before the 1970s.) From now on, voters will have to understand that presidents are likely to get their way on nominations if their party controls the Senate.


Given the extreme degree of Republican obstruction during the Obama administration, the Democrats had little choice but to change the filibuster rule. As Mr. Reid noted on the floor, half of all filibusters waged against nominations in Senate history have occurred since Mr. Obama was elected. Twenty of his district court nominees were filibustered; only three such filibusters took place before he took office. There has also been a record-setting amount of delay in approving the president’s choices for cabinet positions and federal agency posts, even when no objections have been raised about a nominee’s qualifications.


The rule change does not end the 60-vote threshold for blocking legislation, which we have argued is worth preserving. But the vote may lead to broader filibuster changes. A proposal by several younger Democratic senators (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/22/opinion/a-chance-for-the-senate-to-fix-the-filibuster.html) to require “talking filibusters” — forcing objecting lawmakers to stand up at length and make their cases — may well gain steam now, and it could finally spell an end to logjams that have prevented important legislation from reaching votes.


Democrats made the filibuster change with a simple-majority vote, which Republicans insisted was a violation of the rules. There is ample precedent for this kind of change, though it should be used judiciously. Today’s vote was an appropriate use of that power, and it was necessary to turn the Senate back into a functioning legislative body.
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palani
22nd November 2013, 08:57 AM
An opposing view ... I heard that Republican blocking 'bama appointments amounted to around 1%. In other words not a major problem. But now that the Dems can force their radical appointments willy nilly expect them to go into extreme mode in stacking the deck.

Suspect this is part of the adverse reaction to 'bamacare ... to take the heat off this dead on arrival program.

In any event, the rule that was changed has been in effect since the 18th century. With all the things that have happened in the past two centuries and all of a sudden this rule change must be made? Something is fishy.

brosil
22nd November 2013, 09:40 AM
And when the Reps take power in the Senate, will the Dems squeal like little piggies when the Reps force their appointees in? You Betcha!

messianicdruid
22nd November 2013, 09:43 AM
Now the mob can trample the rest.

What goes around comes around, all the while speeding up.

mick silver
22nd November 2013, 10:55 AM
http://gold-siWhen senators arrived in the Capitol today, it took 60 votes to confirm presidential nominees. When they left, it only took 51 after changing Senate rules for the first time in decades.
The Senate voted 52 to 48 to change the rules to allow the president's judicial and executive nominees to be confirmed with only 51 votes. Supreme Court nominees are exempt from the change and still subject to the 60-vote threshold.
The Senate vote effectively eliminates the use of filibusters against presidential nominees, with Democrats advancing the most significant change in Senate rules in more than a generation to break a logjam of President Obama's blocked nominees.
Leaders of both parties have threatened for years to make historic changes in Senate rules, but have always stopped short because compromise – and fear of the consequences – has prevailed. The procedural move became known as the "nuclear option," because it was always seen as a final legislative tool available to end the gridlock.
Senate Filibuster Rules Could Backfire on Democrats (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?74166-Senate-Goes-Nuclear)
"This is the way it has to be," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said. "The Senate has changed."
President Obama lauded Senate Democrats' historic change of filibuster rules, saying the partisan obstruction in Congress "just isn't normal."
"Over the past five years, we've seen an unprecedented pattern of obstruction in Congress that's prevented too much of the American people's business from getting done," the president told reporters at the White House. "A deliberate and determined effort to obstruct everything, no matter what the merits, just to refight the result of an election is not normal, and for the sake of future generations, we can't let it become normal."
The president's support for the rule change comes eight years after then-Senator Obama opposed such a measure, warning in 2005 that "the bitterness and the gridlock will only get worse" if the rules were changed.
"I'm a former senator. So is my vice president. We both value any Senate's duty to advise and consent. It's important and we take that very seriously," the president said today. "But a few now refuse to treat that duty of advise and consent with the respect that it deserves. It's no longer used in a responsible way to govern. It's rather used as a reckless and relentless tool to grind all business to a halt."
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell expressed frustration after today's vote, calling it "a sad day in the history of the Senate."
WATCH: Change Filibuster Rules Before Senate Is 'Obsolete' (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/sen-reid-change-filibuster-rules-senate-obsolete-20965195)
"This was nothing more than a power grab in order to advance the Obama administration's regulatory agenda," McConnell said at a news conference. "They just broke the Senate rules in order to exercise the power grab."
Democrats went to work almost immediately, using the new rule in a 55-43 vote to invoke cloture and end debate on President Obama's stalled nomination of Patricia Millett as a judge to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia.
Democrats had failed last month to break a GOP filibuster on Millett.
Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., called today's rule change the "most important and most dangerous restructuring of Senate rules since Thomas Jefferson wrote them."McConnell declined to say whether he would adhere to the new filibuster rules if Republicans regain the majority of the Senate.
"The solution to this problem is an election. The solution to this problem is at the ballot box. We look forward to having a great election in 2014," McConnell said.

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Libertytree
22nd November 2013, 11:18 AM
If someone would/could return us to being a Republic I'd be happy.

Cebu_4_2
22nd November 2013, 11:23 AM
If someone would/could return us to being a Republic I'd be happy.

It can not happen from the top down, too much power to defeat. It has to come from the bottom up, this is where your vote does count.

Silver Rocket Bitches!
22nd November 2013, 11:29 AM
This is very fishy. They're setting up for something here..

midnight rambler
22nd November 2013, 11:33 AM
It can not happen from the top down, too much power to defeat. It has to come from the bottom up, this is where your vote does count.

The only vote that counts is the one you make with your feet.

Libertytree
22nd November 2013, 11:36 AM
I always get pissy when they bandy the democracy word around, it's like they go out of their way not to mention the term Republic.

iOWNme
22nd November 2013, 11:36 AM
If someone would/could return us to being a Republic I'd be happy.

How about these 'Republics'?

-The Peoples Republic of Communist China
-The Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea
-The Communist Republic of the Congo
-The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics


Unfortunately the 'Republic' you speak of was nothing more than a Parasitic Ruling Class with the IMAGINED exemption from morality.

The original 'Republic' had the power to tax (PLUNDER), the power to conscript (KIDNAPPING), the power to use emminent domain (STEALING), etc. Im pretty sure that adding a group of men who are IMAGINED to be allowed to steal, kidnapp and plunder is NOT going to create a peaceful 'society'.

Libertytree
22nd November 2013, 11:43 AM
How about these 'Republics'?

-The Peoples Republic of Communist China
-The Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea
-The Communist Republic of the Congo
-The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics


Unfortunealty the 'Republic' you speak of was nothing more than a Parasitic Ruling Class with the IMAGINED exemption from morality.

The original 'Republic' had the power to tax (PLUNDER), the power to conscript (KIDNAPPING), the power to use emminent domain (STEALING), etc. Im pretty sure that adding a group of men who are IMAGINED to be allowed to steal, kidnapp and plunder is NOT going to create a peaceful 'society'.

Unfortunately I have to acquiesce, as much as I hate to.