800 AD a slave was worth 12 ounces silver.

[Son-of-Liberty]

8 ounces for a woman.

Heard it on a documentary about Vikings.

[Twisted Titan]

Thats still alot of money today....

[Spectrism]

Slavery is a losing proposition for all. The slave owner needs to protect his investment and see that he gets a return. A free man will work under motivation and perform as well as can reasonably be expected.

Bringing african slaves to any land was a major mistake. They should have been left to their tribal warfare and inter-tribal savagery. Here is what happened when they brought slaves out of africa:

1 Those who were trapped and sold into slavery by fellow negroes were the dumb ones.
2. Those who survived the harsh cargo ships were the strong one.
3. Those who endured under slavery were the non-leaders who needed to be told what to do.
4. Any remnants of intelligent, independent and leadership were snuffed in foreign lands just as much as the tribal savagery did in their originations.

That left a genetic pool of strong, dumb, entitlement breeders. The few that emerged from that with any potential have been snuffed by strong ghetto mentality or got into drug dealing.

Naturally, this is a gross over simplification and broad briush, ignoring many really decent people. But in general, the results can be seen. Similar results are happening for the white races as the genetic pool is favoring the white trash idiocracy world. Dumb animals make the best food. Nobody wants to eat a smart pet. The human race has been culled of the smart ones for the devil who walks about like a lion seeking whom he may eat.

[singular_me]

if true, then even the termination of fiat money would not help much at all. Human life would still be capitalized upon, which is at the core of monetarism itself. Slavery.

but I just made a small search... and guess what the Number 12 shows up again.... coincidence?


32 But the bull might kill a male or female slave. Then the owner must pay the master the price for a new slave. That is 12 ounces of silver. And the bull must also be killed with stones. --- Exodus 21

AND (pagan scandinavians and bible followers share something in common)

12 ounces of silver = 1 adult male slave
http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/daily_living/text/Towns.htm





8 ounces for a woman.

Heard it on a documentary about Vikings.



killing a bull with stones ??? I am sure that many followed the scriptures

[Neuro]

if true, then even the termination of fiat money would not help much at all. Human life would still be capitalized upon, which is at the core of monetarism itself. Slavery.

but I just made a small search... and guess what the Number 12 shows up again.... coincidence?









killing a bull with stones ??? I am sure than many followed the scriptures
Ingots and Weight Units in Viking Age Silver Hoards
Susan E. Kruse
World Archaeology
Vol. 20, No. 2, Hoards and Hoarding (Oct., 1988), pp. 285-301
http://www.jstor.org/stable/124476?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

[Twisted Titan]

killing a bull with stones**I am sure than many followed the scriptures




Did you even read the verse before you made a moral judgment about it?

No you didn't

If the bull killed a slave that meant the beast is wild and dangerous to everyone one.
Now put on your thinking cap if you had to put down a beast what is the safest way to do it?

With a sword where you have to be up close and personal or rock where the animal can be stunned from a distance then safely dispatched.

Cue up the jeopardy music Alex
Doo, doo, doo, doo dooo... dum da dum

following that line of thinking if a pit bull mauled a family member of yours to death ...you would take the animal home and nurse him until the day he decides to lunge for your throat and lock his jaw on your windpipe


Thanks for playing

[StreetsOfGold]

the core of monetarism itself. Slavery. ... coincidence?.....the scriptures

Speaking of which the word slaves only appears ONCE in the Bible and it's connected Mystery Babylon (Roman Catholic church/state system) and her destruction!

Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Note how RICH SHE IS!!

Revelation 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
Revelation 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

[palani]

The word 'slave' is derived from Slav ... the first slaves (according to the English language) were eastern European.


slave (n.)
late 13c., "person who is the chattel or property of another," from Old French esclave (13c.), from Medieval Latin Sclavus "slave" (source also of Italian schiavo, French esclave, Spanish esclavo), originally "Slav" (see Slav); so used in this secondary sense because of the many Slavs sold into slavery by conquering peoples.

This sense development arose in the consequence of the wars waged by Otto the Great and his successors against the Slavs, a great number of whom they took captive and sold into slavery. [Klein]

Meaning "one who has lost the power of resistance to some habit or vice" is from 1550s. Applied to devices from 1904, especially those which are controlled by others (compare slave jib in sailing, similarly of locomotives, flash bulbs, amplifiers). Slave-driver is attested from 1807; extended sense of "cruel or exacting task-master" is by 1854. Slave state in U.S. history is from 1812. Slave-trade is attested from 1734.

Old English Wealh "Briton" also began to be used in the sense of "serf, slave" c.850; and Sanskrit dasa-, which can mean "slave," apparently is connected to dasyu- "pre-Aryan inhabitant of India." Grose's dictionary (1785) has under Negroe "A black-a-moor; figuratively used for a slave," without regard to race. More common Old English words for slave were þeow (related to þeowian "to serve") and þræl (see thrall). The Slavic words for "slave" (Russian rab, Serbo-Croatian rob, Old Church Slavonic rabu) are from Old Slavic *orbu, from the PIE root *orbh- (also source of orphan), the ground sense of which seems to be "thing that changes allegiance" (in the case of the slave, from himself to his master). The Slavic word is also the source of robot.


Slav (n.)
late 14c., Sclave, from Medieval Latin Sclavus (c.800), from Byzantine Greek Sklabos (c.580), from Old Church Slavonic Sloveninu "a Slav," probably related to slovo "word, speech," which suggests the name originally identified a member of a speech community (compare Old Church Slavonic Nemici "Germans," related to nemu "dumb;" Greek heterophonos "foreign," literally "of different voice;" and Old English þeode, which meant both "race" and "language").

Identical with the -slav in personal names (such as Russian Miroslav, literally "peaceful fame;" Mstislav "vengeful fame;" Jaroslav "famed for fury;" Czech Bohuslav "God's glory;" and see Wenceslas). Spelled Slave c. 1788-1866, influenced by French and German Slave. As an adjective from 1876.

[Spectrism]

Speaking of which the word slaves only appears ONCE in the Bible and it's connected Mystery Babylon (Roman Catholic church/state system) and her destruction!

Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Note how RICH SHE IS!!

Revelation 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
Revelation 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

The word slave here is not likely a good translation.
---------------------------------------------------------
G4983
σῶμα
sōma
so'-mah
From G4982; the body (as a sound whole), used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively: - bodily, body, slave.
-----------------------------------------------------------

So it might better read:
Revelation 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and bodies, and souls of men.

[palani]

The word slave here is not likely a good translation.
... and bodies, and souls of men.

The body is the slave of the mind.

A body is a collapsed wave function (aka "a particle"). We also know it be the phrase "reality". The mind operates on pure energy and when it turns its' attention inward the energy wave function collapses into reality and creates the body.

Observation collapses the wave function. While it exists in pure energy form reality is nothing more than probability.

[Spectrism]

The body is the slave of the mind.

A body is a collapsed wave function (aka "a particle"). We also know it be the phrase "reality". The mind operates on pure energy and when it turns its' attention inward the energy wave function collapses into reality and creates the body.

Observation collapses the wave function. While it exists in pure energy form reality is nothing more than probability.

Your credibility collapsed into pure bullshit.

[crimethink]

Speaking of which the word slaves only appears ONCE in the Bible and it's connected Mystery Babylon (Roman Catholic church/state system) and her destruction!

Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Note how RICH SHE IS!!

Revelation 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
Revelation 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

Which refers to that Great City, where Trump was born. Where all commodities, and the lives & souls of men, are traded.

[crimethink]

The word 'slave' is derived from Slav ... the first slaves (according to the English language) were eastern European.

I'm one-quarter Ukrainian! I wants my reparations! LOL

[palani]

Your credibility collapsed ...
Pardon me if I introduced material you aren't intended to see.

[palani]

I'm one-quarter Ukrainian!


Ukraine
from Russian or Polish Ukraina, literally "border, frontier," from u- "at" + krai "edge." So called from being regarded as the southern frontier of Poland or Russia. Related: Ukrainian.

So 1/4th your ancestral nationality is derived from either Polish or Russian ... and means FRONTIER?

Do you let others define you?

[crimethink]

So 1/4th your ancestral nationality is derived from either Polish or Russian ... and means FRONTIER?

Do you let others define you?

I'm well-aware of what it means, and I consider my heritage (Little) Russian. Ukraine is a part of Russia, despite what "Ukrainian nationalists" like to claim.

[Neuro]

So 1/4th your ancestral nationality is derived from either Polish or Russian ... and means FRONTIER?

Do you let others define you?

I must say, you really are a master of the obscure! I had no idea about this!

[crimethink]

I must say, you really are a master of the obscure! I had no idea about this!

Modern Ukraine is composed of traditional Ukraine (Little Russia) and Galicia/Ruthenia, which has often been part of Poland. Galicians/Ruthenians identify as Galicians, Poles, Rusyns (Ruthenians), and/or Ukrainians. Rusyns are a distinct ethnic group from Ukrainians, Great Russians (regular "Russians"), and Belorussians.

[singular_me]

many interpret (whatever) text books literally, that is why fundamentalism is rampant. Why not cutting the bull's throat instead? Stoning is cruel.

that is why I prefer Math/Numbers



killing a bull with stones**I am sure than many followed the scriptures




Did you even read the verse before you made a moral judgment about it?

No you didn't

If the bull killed a slave that meant the beast is wild and dangerous to everyone one.
Now put on your thinking cap if you had to put down a beast what is the safest way to do it?

With a sword where you have to be up close and personal or rock where the animal can be stunned from a distance then safely dispatched.

Cue up the jeopardy music Alex
Doo, doo, doo, doo dooo... dum da dum

following that line of thinking if a pit bull mauled a family member of yours to death ...you would take the animal home and nurse him until the day he decides to lunge for your throat and lock his jaw on your windpipe


Thanks for playing

[Neuro]

Modern Ukraine is composed of traditional Ukraine (Little Russia) and Galicia/Ruthenia, which has often been part of Poland. Galicians/Ruthenians identify as Galicians, Poles, Rusyns (Ruthenians), and/or Ukrainians. Rusyns are a distinct ethnic group from Ukrainians, Great Russians (regular "Russians"), and Belorussians.

So it would make sense to divide Ukraine.

[crimethink]

So it would make sense to divide Ukraine.

The current division is in the east, though; pro-Russians in the Kharkiv region.

[palani]

Ukraine is a part of Russia, despite what "Ukrainian nationalists" like to claim.
So my guess is your ancestry is Russian (jus sanguinis) and this fact overrides your concept of jus soli?

You are what you are.

Have you ever even been to Ukraine or Russia?

Where were YOU born?

[singular_me]

actually, here is a good example as why we wont get rid of the NWO, because of people like spectrism taking the bible literally while palani's observation is metaphorically explained by the bible a gazillion times

The bible only helps 10-15% of population and that is why it will eventually become a museum relic . Didnt jesus say that he will be with us til the end of the age (of pisces) which is approaching slowly but surely ???




PALANI
The body is the slave of the mind.

A body is a collapsed wave function (aka "a particle"). We also know it be the phrase "reality". The mind operates on pure energy and when it turns its' attention inward the energy wave function collapses into reality and creates the body.

Observation collapses the wave function. While it exists in pure energy form reality is nothing more than probability.


VERSUS

SPECTRISM
Your credibility collapsed into pure bullshit.

[Neuro]

The bible only helps 10-15% of population and that is why it will eventually become a museum relic . Didnt jesus say that he will be with us til the end of the age (of pisces) which is approaching slowly but surely ??? No Jesus never said that he was only good until the end of the age of Pisces. Sure, nowadays probably the Bible only helps the 10-15% of the population that reads it, and that is why more should read it. Not be relegated to a museum...


I am sure your father grew up with Christian ethics and that is probably one of the main reason why he didn't abandon you to your destiny with your mothers tribe, that preferred you dead

[crimethink]

So my guess is your ancestry is Russian (jus sanguinis) and this fact overrides your concept of jus soli?

You are what you are.

Have you ever even been to Ukraine or Russia?

Where were YOU born?

I'm not really interested in your Judaic legalism. Blood > territory. The Talmudic "legal system" we live under wants us to focus on territorial constructs, all controlled by (((them))), and ignore White-European race/ethnicity, as the Master Race itself is interracial. The fact you use the dead Roman language to describe your concepts shows how far "law" has separated from organic life. "Wir fordern Ersatz für das der materialistischen Weltordnung dienende römische Recht durch ein deutsches Gemein-Recht."

Territory is only important as much as it is tied to heritage. Otherwise, we see the current situation of pigs born in a thoroughbred stable claiming to be horses.

I am German, Ukrainian/Russian, and Irish wherever I am on Earth.

[crimethink]

Didnt jesus say that he will be with us til the end of the age (of pisces)

There's that New Age sewage again. Christ said He'd be with us until the end of the age (of Adam), meaning, the "end of the world," not some astrological bullshit.

[Twisted Titan]

many interpret (whatever) text books literally, that is why fundamentalism is rampant. Why not cutting the bull's throat instead? Stoning is cruel.





and so is getting gored to death by a wild beast with confirmed kills.

[singular_me]

do NOT interpret my father's actions since you do not endorse his actions in any way!

I wrote pisces in parenthetical on purpose

depending on the translations, "eon" has two meanings, either the end of pisces, which is why christians are associated with the fish or the end of time, judgement day in other word.... I am with you always, until the end of the age ..

as if you didnt know that the age of Moises marks the transit of the golden calf/taurus into the Ram

if after 2000 years people have little clue about the understanding of the bible, that one cannot say that the WORD means VIBRATION without being tagged as a new ager while it is all about science, then NO, the bible will **never** help the masses... never... ever





No Jesus never said that he was only good until the end of the age of Pisces. Sure, nowadays probably the Bible only helps the 10-15% of the population that reads it, and that is why more should read it. Not be relegated to a museum...


I am sure your father grew up with Christian ethics and that is probably one of the main reason why he didn't abandon you to your destiny with your mothers tribe, that preferred you dead

[singular_me]

the age of pisces is associated with the rise of christianity and there is nothing you can do to disprove it, sorry.

Just ask the masons behind the draft of the bible



There's that New Age sewage again. Christ said He'd be with us until the end of the age (of Adam), meaning, the "end of the world," not some astrological bullshit.

[palani]

I'm not really interested in your Judaic legalism.

Did you know that jus soli and jus sanguinis are ROMAN civil law constructs?

Did you know that ROMANS followed very few JUDAIC constructs?

Did you know that the U.S. has recognized both jus soli and jus sanguinis in their own statutes at large (although they decided not to refer to them by the ROMAN names)?


the current situation of pigs born in a thoroughbred stable claiming to be horses. I am German, Ukrainian/Russian, and Irish
I'm confused. Are you the pig or are you the thoroughbred in this picture? I am trying to construct in my mind a thoroughbred made of a German, Ukrainian/Russian and an Irishman. It sort of sounds like the start of a bad bar joke.

Perhaps you should pick one and go with it?

[crimethink]

Did you know that jus soli and jus sanguinis are ROMAN civil law constructs?


Do not patronize me.

The legal class is dominated by Jews. The "celebrated" Antonin Scalia himself celebrated the role of the Talmud in "Western jurisprudence." Modern "law" is a Jewish worldview and a Jewish way of life. Hence my quote of Point 19 auf Deutsch.




Did you know that ROMANS followed very few JUDAIC constructs?


We're not talking about ancient Rome. We're talking about now. Again: the legal class is dominated by Jews, who don't pretend to be Romans. They're Pharisees. The "traditions of the Elders" are a basis for modern "law." The insanity of "stare decisis" - "precedent" - is right from the Babylonian Talmud. It's "right" because wrong was "decided" previously.




Did you know that the U.S. has recognized both jus soli and jus sanguinis in their own statutes at large (although they decided not to refer to them by the ROMAN names)?


I couldn't care less what the Judeo-Freemasonic Washington Criminals have "recognized." They've also "recognized" that my race should be exterminated.





I'm confused. Are you the pig or are you the thoroughbred in this picture? I am trying to construct in my mind a thoroughbred made of a German, Ukrainian/Russian and an Irishman. It sort of sounds like the start of a bad bar joke.


As the chief joke of this forum, you'd know jokes.

German/Russian/Irish = all the same race, from the same distant ancestors (Aryans).

The pigs are the invaders you lawyer types argue are "equal" to me because of some Jewish legalisms. Don't try to claim you're not identical to any Jewish lawyer. You live in the same sterile, inorganic legalism as Shlomo Rapowicz, Esq. Law must serve the People - as in, the bio-cultural organism that gave rise to the state - and never vice-versa.

[Neuro]

do NOT interpret my father's actions since you do not endorse his actions in any way!

He took responsibility for the life he had created. This is a very Christian thing to do. I would like to think if I had been in his shoes some 50 years ago I would have done the very same thing. I don't think I could have left you to be killed (or treated as a second class citizen) at the hands of your biological mothers tribe. Do not interpret my intentions when you don't understand them.

[singular_me]

you just double speak because he **never** talked about africans the way you do and and often contended that colonization is a terrible mistake


He took responsibility for the life he had created. This is a very Christian thing to do. I would like to think if I had been in his shoes some 50 years ago I would have done the very same thing. I don't think I could have left you to be killed (or treated as a second class citizen) at the hands of your biological mothers tribe. Do not interpret my intentions when you don't understand them.

[Neuro]

you just double speak because he **never** talked about africans the way you do and and often contended that colonization is a terrible mistake

We talk about the Christian values that ultimately saved your life. You are changing the topic.

[palani]

Modern "law" is a Jewish worldview and a Jewish way of life.
This is surprising to me. I had thought my law was the law of my being. Being is a fact resulting from the body and mind being in synch. The process is called ification although you might be more familiar with the concept of reification ... such as a passport or a birth certificate representing the being.

We're not talking about ancient Rome. We're talking about now.
You are now changing the topic to that of time rather than being. I use ROMAN law maxims frequently because they are compact and practical. They are also not tampered with over the course of history whereas practically every though found floating through your mind (discernible from your writings) reminds me of an attic that is cluttered.

the legal class is dominated by Jews, who don't pretend to be Romans. They're Pharisees. The "traditions of the Elders" are a basis for modern "law." There are any number of systems of laws currently in effect in the world. Certainly 100% of them are alien to me. Your fixation on ONE system of MODERN law is confusion. There is not ONE system. There are literally hundreds. Which is domestic to YOU? Or have you chosen to be responsible for ALL systems of LAW?

The insanity of "stare decisis" - "precedent" - is right from the Babylonian Talmud. It's "right" because wrong was "decided" previously. Again your confusion. Precedents are established on a case by case basis. If everything in a case is identical to another case then the wheel does not need to be invented for each case. This provides for some continuity for similar cases. But yet how many cases do you know that are identical? If you examine each case critically there are none. For one thing the defendant will be different.

Are you trying to promote a system of law where certain classes have privileges that other classes do not?

I couldn't care less what the Judeo-Freemasonic Washington Criminals have "recognized."
Perhaps you should dispute the legal effect of the statutes at large from 150 years ago .... otherwise these laws are still on the books.

They've also "recognized" that my race should be exterminated. Which race is that? The thoroughbred Borinquen terrier known as Ukrainian/Russian/Irish?

you'd know jokes.
Thank you. I do.

German/Russian/Irish = all the same race, from the same distant ancestors (Aryans).
These individual NATIONALITIES are all said to be individually descended from HEBREWS. Sorry to be the bearer of sad news.

Law must serve the People - as in, the bio-cultural organism that gave rise to the state - and never vice-versa. Truly ...Am I not the state? Or are you one of those who propose that the state be populated with non-People?

[crimethink]

I use ROMAN law maxims frequently because they are compact and practical.


No, you use legalist concepts from a dead language because:

1) it gives you an appearance of being "educated";
2) they mark you as an adherent of the Cult of the Bar.




They are also not tampered with over the course of history whereas practically every though found floating through your mind (discernible from your writings) reminds me of an attic that is cluttered.


Your "law" is inorganic, and mine is organic. Yours is like a machine, and mine is like a man. Yours is cold and inflexible and mine is complex and adapting...but most importantly, aimed at achieving justice.




There are any number of systems of laws currently in effect in the world...Your fixation on ONE system of MODERN law is confusion. There is not ONE system.


There is one system of "law" in the "Western" world, all based in whole or part on the Babylonian Talmud (fraudulently identified as "the Torah"). The fact Jews dominate the legal profession in all "Western" countries demonstrates this.

All "Western" "law" systems are of the nature of a self-appointed elite dictating what is "right" or "wrong" according to their own desires and agenda. Often, if not the norm, things are declared "right" that are inherently wrong, and things are declared "wrong" that are inherently right. The "right" to sodomy and abortion among the former, and the proscription of "racism" and "hate speech" among the latter. Neither would be possible in a truly organic law system.




These individual NATIONALITIES are all said to be individually descended from HEBREWS. Sorry to be the bearer of sad news.


Being a literal descendant of Father Abraham is no sad news. Being a Talmudist is sad news. If Christian Identity theory is correct: Hallelujah!




Truly ...Am I not the state? Or are you one of those who propose that the state be populated with non-People?

The state serves the Nation. If there is no Nation, the state is illegitimate. The state is an edifice in service to the People.


Looking forward to your next Sanhedrin session, Rabbi.

[palani]

No, you use legalist concepts from a dead language because:

1) it gives you an appearance of being "educated";
2) they mark you as an adherent of the Cult of the Bar.

And you don't use legalist concepts because
1) it gives you the appearance of being ignorant
2) it marks you as one who lacks a moral code

Your "law" is inorganic, and mine is organic.
Oh? Mine is of the brain and yours is of the liver, spleen and gall bladder?

Yours is like a machine, and mine is like a man.
Mine is based upon history while yours is based upon your last bottle of Mad Dog 20/20.

Yours is cold and inflexible and mine is complex and adapting...but most importantly, aimed at achieving justice. I take this to mean that yours is dependent upon whatever chemicals your body is demanding your brain to produce. And justice is "the exercise of authority in vindication of right by assigning reward or punishment". Lacking authority you can not have justice.

There is one system of "law" in the "Western" world, all based in whole or part on the Babylonian Talmud (fraudulently identified as "the Torah"). The fact Jews dominate the legal profession in all "Western" countries demonstrates this. More delusion on your part. There is chancery, exchequer, common, maritime, admiralty and ecclesiastic law. What 'one system' do you detect in this scheme?

All "Western" "law" systems are of the nature of a self-appointed elite dictating what is "right" or "wrong" according to their own desires and agenda. Often, if not the norm, things are declared "right" that are inherently wrong, and things are declared "wrong" that are inherently right. The "right" to sodomy and abortion among the former, and the proscription of "racism" and "hate speech" among the latter. Neither would be possible in a truly organic law system. Wrong again. Western law is based on contract and assent. Your actions, words and representatives define your status. When you are sloppy with all of these you end up on the wrong side of 'the law' and have no idea how you got there.

Being a literal descendant of Father Abraham is no sad news. Being a Talmudist is sad news. If Christian Identity theory is correct: Hallelujah! You'll have to fill me in on what you mean by this when you sober up.

The state serves the Nation. If there is no Nation, the state is illegitimate. The state is an edifice in service to the People.If there is no state the nation is illegitimate.

Looking forward to your next Sanhedrin session, Rabbi.
Have you tried Boones Farm? Mad Dog isn't working for you.

[crimethink]

it marks you as one who lacks a moral code


My moral code is that established by Jesus Christ, not those of this world, as with your "moral code."

(additional Talmudic sophistry from Rabbi palani deleted)

[palani]

My moral code is that established by Jesus Christ

Perhaps you were asleep during several lessons then? Wouldn't hurt to do a quick review.

[crimethink]

Perhaps you were asleep during several lessons then? Wouldn't hurt to do a quick review.

Christ's moral code is very simple, and stands in direct contrast to the legal code you Pharisees preach:

"Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

[palani]

Christ's moral code is very simple, and stands in direct contrast...

T'would be a fair sentiment if only you would learn to actually practice it.

https://books.google.com/books?id=BewQAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA197&dq=lip+service&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjDhOD4soTRAhVF2IMKHTLnDkMQ6AEITTAJ#v=on epage&q=lip%20service&f=false

[crimethink]

T'would be a fair sentiment if only you would learn to actually practice it.

https://books.google.com/books?id=BewQAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA197&dq=lip+service&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjDhOD4soTRAhVF2IMKHTLnDkMQ6AEITTAJ#v=on epage&q=lip%20service&f=false

You don't know me, and have no clue how I lead my life. Nothing you claim to "know" about me from my postings here is not itself revelation & reflection of who you are.

Here's one for you:

Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Your reverence for legalist "tradition" has substituted itself for true religion (James 1:27). Your Pharisaism aims to "outsmart" the world-system, rather than simply circumvent it (as James teaches).

Bottom line: ponder the teachings about lip-service you throw at me. Or, then, I am surely asking too much of you.

[palani]

Your Pharisaism aims to "outsmart" the world-system, rather than simply circumvent it (as James teaches).
My aim is to live simply and not injure anyone or anything.

Your aim is none of my concern.

If you practice what you appear to preach then WHY IS MY AIM OF CONCERN TO YOU?

[Spectrism]

My aim is to live simply and not injure anyone or anything.
Your aim is none of my concern.
If you practice what you appear to preach then WHY IS MY AIM OF CONCERN TO YOU?

What you say you do is not what you do. Further, what you say is convoluted bullshit with no effective anchors in reality and no substance in life. Pretending to have all the answers to avoiding legal fictions while denying the reality of forces outside of human law is preposterous.

[palani]

...while denying the reality of forces outside of human law is preposterous.
Why would I observe human law?

I am responsible. I am not on welfare.

[crimethink]

Your aim is none of my concern.

Yet you had no problem making a thinly-veiled statement on my integrity in following Christ's Two Great Commandments, for which you have exceptionally little evidence, and the evidence which you do have is only based on my reactions to assaults initiated against me. I still struggle with the Peter Reaction of pulling a sword at injustice, but that means I'm human, not God Himself.

The evidence that you are a legalist and a liar, however, is self-evident here.

[crimethink]

Why would I observe human law?

Nearly ever post you make concerns itself with how to "maneuver" through human "law."

You are the type to preach that we must not "understand" (stand under) such "law," yet you do at every turn. Why?

The proper response is to simply ignore "the law" that is neither law nor justice as the situation requires. Not play Pharisee games.

[palani]

Yet you had no problem making a thinly-veiled statement on my integrity in following Christ's Two Great Commandments
I know nothing of your integrity. Your words however are irrational. If you have beliefs then why do you feel a need to convince me of them?

[palani]

Nearly ever post you make concerns itself with how to "maneuver" through human "law."
I know nothing of human law. Why would I bother to attempt to maneuver through it?

[crimethink]

I know nothing of your integrity.

Thank you for your admission that you are a hypocrite, a liar, and a false witness.

[crimethink]

I know nothing of human law.

You must be playing us all for fools. No one can really be this stupid as you portray.

Nearly all you post about is human law. What you claim is derived from Roman law, and what I assert is actually more Talmudic.

[palani]

Nearly all you post about is human law.

Nearly all I post is REVEALED law. However even if it is REVEALED it generally does not pass the REASONABLE test. As I stated of HUMAN law I know nothing.

Could you take the time to fill me in on this law? I would be interested if any reason can be found.

[madfranks]

I can't make heads or tails out of what palini posts. But it is entertaining at least.