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Ponce
2nd December 2013, 11:14 AM
To me this is big news because now the bitcoin is backed by something other than ..... I wish concept of those coins.
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The implicit, and ever more explicit, institutional acceptance of the dominant cryptocurrency Bitcoin (we say dominant because as we pointed out last week, there has been an unprecedented spike of digital currencies one can pick and choose from) continues when following the surge in vendors willing to transact in BTC over Thanksgiving, the latest news comes from the birthplace of the modern central bank, the UK, where we learn that none other than the UK Royal Mint has been working on plans since this summer to issue physical Bitcoins in collaboration with the Channel Island of Alderney.

But where the story gets downright surreal is that as the FT reports, the same symbolic Bitcoin token issued by the Royal Mint "would have a gold content – a figure of £500-worth has been proposed – so that holders could conceivably melt and sell the metal if the exchange value of the currency were to collapse." In brief: a perfect, and utterly incomprehensible, fusion of (opposing) hard, soft and digital currencies all rolled into one...

From the FT:


The tiny Channel Island of Alderney is launching an audacious bid to become the first jurisdiction to mint physical Bitcoins, amid a global race to capitalise on the booming virtual currency.



The three-mile long British crown dependency has been working on plans to issue physical Bitcoins in partnership with the UK’s Royal Mint since the summer, according to documents seen by the Financial Times.



It wants to launch itself as the first international centre for Bitcoin transactions by setting up a cluster of services that are compliant with anti-money laundering rules, including exchanges, payment services and a Bitcoin storage vault.

So, convert a digital currency into fiat, issue plastic (or some other material) tokens (appropriately covered in some goldish color) representing "value" because suddenly the currency (supposedly) has the blessing of central banks, and then store them in some basement? Brilliant.

Just how is the UK Royal Mint involved?


The special Bitcoin would be part of the Royal Mint’s commemorative collection, which includes limited edition coins and stamps that are normally bought by collectors. It would have a gold content – a figure of £500-worth has been proposed – so that holders could conceivably melt and sell the metal if the exchange value of the currency were to collapse.

Wait, what: gold-backed Bitcoins? If so, that would be truly revolutionary because for the first time a Treasury (and by implication, a central bank) is effectively hinting that not only are they willing to fiat-ize Bitcoin, but also have the symbolic BTC token (after all Bitcoin is a digital currency by definition) serve as a commodity trap. Because once enough gold-backed physical Bitcoins are locked up in some basement in the UK, who has the master key? That's a rhetorical question by the way.

Naturally, the UK Mint is not quite eager to disclose full details while the plan is still being finalized:


David Janczewski, head of new business at the Royal Mint confirmed it had been approached by the finance minister of Alderney to “explore the possibility of manufacturing a physical commemorative coin with a Bitcoin theme”.



“Discussions have not progressed further and at this stage it remains nothing more than a concept,” he added.



But the controversy around Bitcoin has made the Alderney plan a sensitive subject. The Treasury, which owns the Royal Mint, declined to comment on the plans. George Osborne, the British chancellor, also holds the title of Master of the Mint.

Since there is understandably much confusion over what the minting process of a physical gold-backed token representing a digital currency, with the backing of an entity that does the bidding of an issuer that only believes in fiat currencies, here is the FT with the blow by blow.


An independent company will provide the Bitcoins. If the price plunged, neither Alderney nor the Royal Mint would lose anything.



The company would put the Bitcoins in an escrow account at an agreed price.



Meanwhile, the Royal Mint would take customers’ orders for its minted Bitcoins and receive money from those coin sales.



The virtual Bitcoins backing the physical coins would be held in digital storage facilities by Alderney.



The Mint would issue the commemorative Bitcoin, paying for the value of the gold content itself. Alderney would receive royalties from sales of the coins.



Coins could be redeemed for sterling at any point in Alderney for the price of a Bitcoin on that day.

All we can do at this point is sit back in wonder and amusement as we hit the pinnacle of monetary confusion, whereby the UK Royal Mint, willing to take full advantage of retail confusion, will mix hard, soft and digital currency, and produce a product... that is locked away on an island that belongs to the UK.

And all we can say is "brilliant", because if there is a better plan to meld the sentiment of both hard and digital-currency (and hence, anti-fiat) advocates, and to redirect it in a "fiat" pathway, we have yet to hear it

Horn
2nd December 2013, 11:23 AM
To me this is big news because now the bitcoin is backed by something other than ..... I wish concept of those coins.

So long as they use the Quark mining philosophy of having most of the coins readily available for purchase, I'm in.

The mining step of E-coins is completely useless, and a waste of good electricity.

While also jeopardizing them to a centralized and greedy miner pool that just throws minimum wage resold tips to his working crew.

5763

Plus this way we get to help the Royal Mint a little more, through a phonetic symphony symbiosis of jew dialect.

Is good music...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ll4qS4anGo

Ponce
2nd December 2013, 12:13 PM
Only problem is........if the bit coin (at the time that they are made) worth $1,000 will they also make smaller coins with lesser value? and with the changes in the price will they have a daily notice of the same?......or will the price remain the same but the cost of items will be more or less bitcoins?..as the PM prices?.... of course we know that it will be more and never less.

V

sirgonzo420
2nd December 2013, 12:17 PM
Only problem is........if the bit coin (at the time that they are made) worth $1,000 will they also make smaller coins with lesser value? and with the changes in the price will they have a daily notice of the same?......or will the price remain the same but the cost of items will be more or less bitcoins?..as the PM prices?.... of course we know that it will be more and never less.

V

A single "bitcoin" is divisible 100,000,000 times.

For example, with gold, it is hard to just buy/trade/use $1 worth or $0.05 worth or $0.00006 worth, but with Bitcoin, much smaller amounts are usable. So you could use 0.00000001 btc.

Serpo
2nd December 2013, 12:40 PM
A single "bitcoin" is divisible 100,000,000 times.

For example, with gold, it is hard to just buy/trade/use $1 worth or $0.05 worth or $0.00006 worth, but with Bitcoin, much smaller amounts are usable. So you could use 0.00000001 btc.

Do you know much about Quarks sirgonzo

Uncle Salty
2nd December 2013, 12:49 PM
Fucking stupid. This world is run by fucking idiots.

Horn
2nd December 2013, 01:01 PM
Only problem is........if the bit coin (at the time that they are made) worth $1,000 will they also make smaller coins with lesser value? and with the changes in the price will they have a daily notice of the same?......or will the price remain the same but the cost of items will be more or less bitcoins?..as the PM prices?.... of course we know that it will be more and never less.

V

I doubt you'll be able to "cashout" in gold,

unless you retain enough of the E-coinage to make it physically possible to do in real Gold.

Royal mint would probably do 1/4oz. maybe an oz. for a small service fee...depending on how popular it became...

Ares
2nd December 2013, 01:35 PM
Backing means centrally controlled. They're just trying to stick with what they know. They back it, they'll control it. Simple as that.

gunDriller
2nd December 2013, 02:53 PM
one of the PM pundits tracked the decrease of Bank of England gold holdings by 1300 tons earlier this year.

from 6500 tons to 5200 tons, according to their (paper) report.

i would take that just as an indicator, i don't trust what the Bank of England says.


if they did dishoard 1300 tons to support the 2013 paper raids, that wasn't very good planning.


the guys who have worked the numbers regarding a gold backed currency say it requires a gold price of $8K to $10K.

Serpo
2nd December 2013, 03:03 PM
Banks are too blame for any crypto currency because they started it with making everyone believe their fiat was worth something as long as everyone believes it.

They took away the gold backing.

Crypto currency is not much different really

If the power goes off what happens ......well what happens if the power goes off with normal fiat ...atm dosnt work,nothing works so little difference there.

Horn
2nd December 2013, 03:10 PM
the guys who have worked the numbers regarding a gold backed currency say it requires a gold price of $8K to $10K.

Keyword $

If the Royal Mint has a popular gold backed coin starting at spot price to purchase.

They could shed any growth in the Coin to repurchase the gold necessary for backing.

The inventory report of that repurchased Gold could then be "Royally" adjusted to suit the 1/10th bank holding requirements.

The price of the coin would be foreseeable to balance and bottom around the price of Gold. But you would have all the portability and possible anonymity associated to E-nothingness.

madfranks
2nd December 2013, 05:06 PM
You can already buy physical bitcoins: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?74359-Physical-silver-bitcoins

vacuum
2nd December 2013, 05:37 PM
Backing means centrally controlled. They're just trying to stick with what they know. They back it, they'll control it. Simple as that.

That's exactly what they're trying to do:

The virtual Bitcoins backing the physical coins would be held in digital storage facilities by Alderney.

Coins could be redeemed for sterling at any point in Alderney for the price of a Bitcoin on that day.

You wouldn't actually be getting a real bitcoin at all, only a receipt representing a bitcoin fiat equivilent amount based on price which is stored by and redeemable through the mint which they say they're storing but they're only giving out cash not bitcoin, so they don't actually need to hold bitcoin.

Fuck them and their worthless coins and trickery. What they're doing is attempting to create bitcoin out of thin air by making all these commemorative coins which supposedly represent bitcoins, but which only represent the spot value of bitcoin and which likely never even exist in the mint's control at any point. If you don't hold the private key, you don't own it.

Horn
3rd December 2013, 12:23 AM
Yeah vacuum, but these guy are The Royal Mint.

Their specialty is make this sort of alchemy possible...

Crazy huh? :)