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mick silver
2nd December 2013, 04:26 PM
Party On Wall Street! Larry Summers Wants to Charge People for Saving

By Staff Report - December 02, 2013

At the IMF Research Conference on November 8, 2013, former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers presented a plan to expand the con game. Summers says that it is not enough merely to give the banks interest free money. More should be done for the banks. Instead of being paid interest on their bank deposits, people should be penalized for keeping their money in banks instead of spending it. – PaulCraigRoberts.org
Dominant Social Theme: It is perfectly reasonable to want to remove money from people's bank accounts for the greater good of a prosperous society.
Free-Market Analysis: This excerpt of an editorial by Paul Craig Roberts shows clearly that our analysis of the long-running public-banking/alternative money promotion was probably correct.
From our humble perspective, these monetary cons were created as monetary promotions to provide additional capital when necessary for whatever devious strategies were necessary.



The Wall Street Party we've forecast continues to build.



The JOBS Act is forcing new product into the IPO market.
QE continues in the US, Britain and Europe.
Janet Yellen and Mark Carney are not about to try to taper in any serious way.
The fracking meme (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/654/) continues to be pursued, giving people at least the illusion of more gas and oil to stimulate another industrial boom.

And now, to ensue that money flows copiously, top bankers are obviously considering negative interest rates. Larry Summers didn't make up that comment. If he mentioned it, it's because it's the subject of discussion.
How do you increase consumer spending, thus contributing to the Wall Street Party about which we've regularly written? Try to increase the velocity of money (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/1894/) any way you can. It's a distinctly dubious solution, but that won't stop the top elites from trying.
We've covered this dominant social theme (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/652/) in detail in the past. We've fought against the authoritarian (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/2606/) crackpottery coming from the so-called alternative media (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/723/) regarding "usury," national banking and of course mutual and social credit schemes:
Margrit Kennedy and the 'Blue Economy' (http://www.thedailybell.com/4195/VIDEO-Margrit-Kennedy-and-the-Blue-Economy/)
Strange Bedfellows: More Authoritarian Linkages to Paper Money (http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/4181/Strange-Bedfellows-More-Authoritarian-Linkages-to-Paper-Money/)
Paper Money and the UN Perfect Together? More Currency and Credit Exchanges Supported by the UN (http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/4179/Paper-Money-and-the-UN-Perfect-Together-More-Currency-and-Credit-Exchanges-Supported-by-the-UN/)
Are 'Green' Reciprocal Exchange and Credit Systems Part of a Larger Elite Promotion? (http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/4170/Are-Green-Reciprocal-Exchange-and-Credit-Systems-Part-of-a-Larger-Elite-Promotion/)
The authoritarian mind has a great attraction to state enforced monetary remedies. Of course, it is true that some faux-proponents of anti-usury alternative currencies try to claim that they can be implemented privately. But even a cursory look at the banking solutions they pro-offer easily reveals they are not what they seem.
Additionally, the proponents of these deeply anti-freedom economic remedies have only one focus when it comes to aggressiveness: They seek to attack free markets (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/1942/) and laissez-fair economics.
(http://www.thedailybell.com/books-by-anthony-wile/)
Their agenda seems fairly clear: They propose authoritarian economic solutions and attack freedom.
Larry Summers' proposal is a good example.
Basically, Summers and the rest are working to ensure that the state remains in control of money. That's what the top bankers want, after all. They can always control government. They don't care whether their banks are "private," or public. They don't care whether banks are supposedly owned by "the people." That's something the hoi polloi can argue about.
They want to claim victory over unemployment. They want to prove that their adjustment of economic circumstances is necessary and appropriate. They'll try anything to stay "ahead of the curve."
We were suspicious of bitcoin for similar reasons. Its ascension seems almost predictably ... manipulated like an adult fairy tale. Isn't it worth close to US$1,000 now?
There was – and remains – an anti-precious metals (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/804/) angle to bitcoin support. And we were never sold on the dramatic backstory of how the founder of bitcoin dropped its recipe on the Internet and then mysteriously vanished.
Ben Bernanke has basically endorsed the bitcoin concept. Did the powers-that-be first introduce and then popularize bitcoin in order to get ahead of the inevitable expansion of electronic currency? Stranger things have happened ...
In the case of reverse-interest money, the promotion seems far longer than bitcoin's few years. It goes back to Silvio Gesell and the modern history of alternative currencies goes back to Greenbacks and proponents of state and federal "public banking" in the 1800s.
And now this long-running propaganda has been updated. Larry Summers and presumably a bevy of other monopoly central bankers are on board, essentially endorsing the crackpottery of Gesell.
It was Gesell who came up with the idea back in the 1930s that government ought to penalize savers by removing a certain part of their wealth every month or so.
This was such an offensive idea that even Gesell's contemporary, Major Douglas – himself the author of numerous economically illiterate theories – called Gesell's ideas an offensive and serious tax.
But now it is back, and perhaps about to be pressed into service on behalf of yet another elite meme: The Wall Street Party.

Conclusion

They want at least one more big blow-off and they'll get it any way they can, even if they have to update their old promotions.

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Twisted Titan
2nd December 2013, 05:44 PM
Your paying money to own Treasury notes right now so i dont see what the controversy is.

At least their consistent.

Cebu_4_2
2nd December 2013, 07:12 PM
I don't have a bank account, I have a business account that pays all bills. The company never makes a profit, just losses. I got this.

Glass
2nd December 2013, 10:47 PM
Australian banks have been charging for deposits for maybe 20 years now. I think it's been about that long. Interest bearing accounts have long been 8 or 9% below mortgage rates. So if we have a 12% national mortgage rate then your account interest would be <3%.

So I think it got down to about 0.5% on interest bearing accounts about 10 years ago and it's been there since. You can get upto 4.5% if you have $100,000 on month deposit or more.

But everything is fees. On my accounts I get I think 8 transactions per month included. So 8 deposits or withdrawals for no charge. After that I think it is $1.50 per transaction. I think that might be a bit high. Need to check but its probably close. So you pay rentx2, power, gas, insurance, water, telephone and your at the charge free limit.

Use the card at an ATM or a check out and your into extra charges territory. I pay about $10 per account per month in extra charges and about another $10 in govt taxes and transaction levies. Apart from the things listed, everything else is cash. If I used the debit card for everything I would be paying $30 - $40 per month in fees.

the big kicker will be the overdraw fees, because down here if you have a auto debit from your account and your account doesn't have enough to cover it, the bank will pay and then hit you interest and penalties instead of rejecting it. If you are hard up for cash you can go terminal real quick as I found out one time about 15 years ago. Being $10 short to pay an auto debit and it cost me over $400 in penalties that I just didn't have the cash for.

Hatha Sunahara
11th December 2013, 11:48 AM
I've been reading a bit about Larry Summers lately. He has to be America's premier fraudster.

He wants to charge people for saving their money in a bank account. Paul Krugman agrees this is a good idea, and that makes Krugman America's runner-up championship fraudster. If you charge people to keep their money in a bank, they will put their money in their mattresses. So, Larry and Paul want a 'cashless society' where the only place you can keep your money is in the bank. So, OK, enough for the bad ideas, how do they deal with the other side of the coin? If you charge people for saving money in the bank, shouldn't you also pay them to borrow money from the bank? I never hear anybody talk about this. For the banksters, it's 'heads I win, tails you lose'. Why would anyone want to do business with a bank? Banks don't want to give you a choice. They want to force you into everything. They have to be desperate. I am praying that their days are numbered and that they explode real soon. Ditto for Summers and Krugman.


Haig

Twisted Titan
11th December 2013, 02:00 PM
Krugman Summers no what do they have in common?

I tell you its a conspiracy with those Irish Peruvian Eskimos.

madfranks
11th December 2013, 02:10 PM
These bastards don't realize that we're moving past needing them and their "services" any more. As crypto currencies gain more and more foothold in people's lives, more and more people will be giving Summers and his ilk the one finger salute as they keep their funds on their own computers, their own notes, their own coins, etc.

If you don't have a bitcoin wallet yet, you should get one, simply to experience for yourself how it works. When you see your balance on your computer screen and you think to yourself that nobody, no government, no bank or shitbag banker can seize, tax, or confiscate it, you'll realize the value soon enough.

Son-of-Liberty
11th December 2013, 06:54 PM
I was thinking the same thing madfranks.

An alternative motivation for this might be the reasoning that people still wanting to save will be forced into treasuries since a savings account will cost them money.

However I think it will backfire and it is just going to push more people into PM's and crypto's.

Absolutely no reason to keep any money in a bank when you are losing value to inflation and then getting dinged with negative interest rates and fee's. Plus at the risk for a bail in.