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Twisted Titan
6th December 2013, 10:56 PM
Though a decade ago civil servants and union members would never have believed it could happen, the stark reality of the situation came to pass this morning.


We now know the answer to the question: What happens when a government makes promises it can’t keep and borrows so much money it can never be repaid?



This morning a judge overseeing the City of Detroit’s fiscal sustainability ruled that the City can be afforded bankruptcy protection, meaning that all 100,000 of its creditors now stand to lose a significant portion of monies (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131203/METRO01/312030072/Next-up-Detroit-Plan-adjustment-settle-debts?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE) owed to them.


The most notable victims are the tens of thousands of retirees living off of pensions – many of whom will see an 80% obliteration of the retirement funds they believed they’d receive until they died.



Creditor attorneys have repeatedly speculated they expect Orr’s plan of adjustment to mirror the June 14 proposal he offered creditors to avoid bankruptcy. That deal proposed giving unsecured creditors such as pensioners and bondholders a $2 billion note for $11.5 billion in estimated debts — or less than 18 cents for every dollar owed.


Most of those affected assumed the government would simply find a way to borrow more money or fabricate it out of thin air. They were wrong and now they are paying the price (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131203/METRO01/312030031/Detroit-s-retirees-Florida-sweat-bankruptcy-ruling):



“Oh my, oh my. Everyone is worried. When we think about what could happen, it’s scary,” said Larsen, 85, who moved to Palm Harbor, Fla., outside of Tampa after he retired in 1976.
“If they take our health insurance? Oh god. Cutting pensions? It’s terrible. The city of Detroit was our pride. Honest to goodness. We loved it.”


“We are all worried,” said Nancy Schmidt, the group’s secretary. “This is going to affect everyone in different ways. If it comes to fruition, I’ve got two empty bedrooms and I may end up having to rent them out.”



“My net pension is $2,300 a month,” said Kammer, 77, who moved to Englewood, Fla., not long after retiring with a disability in 1977.
“I could make it for a while, go through savings, but pretty soon, I’d end up in bankruptcy.”



“(Retirees) feel like something that they’ve earned and were promised is being taken away from when they’re not in a position in their lives to plan for it and fight back,” Plecha said. “They’re at a time in their lives when they’re most vulnerable.”



Detroit is the first and they have now set a precedent for other cities in similar situations (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/large-cities-all-over-america-are-degenerating-into-gang-infested-war-zones). You can be assured that more will follow.
First it will be the cities. Then the states will go under. And finally, the Grand-Poobah – our own Federal government. Detroit’s debts are pocket change compared to the $200 trillion in future liabilities (http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-real-u-s-government-debt-is-much-worse-than-you-think_102010) owed by the United States of America.



If you are depending on a government retirement package to be there for you for the rest of your life, you’d better think again. Over twenty thousand Detroit retirees thought the same thing – and as of today they have been wiped out.


When this crisis hits the Federal Government (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/u-s-treasury-warns-of-whats-to-come-catastrophic-effect-could-last-for-more-than-a-generation_10042013) – and it will – you’d better be ready for them to take drastic measures. This means they’ll be forced to not only cut retirement benefits promised to federal employees, but will make the case that if they have to give up their retirement funds, you’ll have to give up your 401k, IRA or personal savings.



Sounds impossible, right? Congressional members have already gotten the ball rolling on a nationalization of America’s retirement funds (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/government-sets-its-sights-on-private-retirement-accounts-designed-to-grab-the-retirement-nest-eggs-of-americas-senior-citizens_11202012), and when they are ready to do it they’ll pass the legislation just like they did when they seized 1/6th of our economy by nationalizing health care.
They are coming for the money – YOUR money – because they will be left with no other choice.



If you’re not planning on a secondary income stream or preserving wealth in the form of gold and silver (http://jmbullion.com/), productive land, or other tangible assets (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/food-guns-gold-the-record-is-rather-clear-on-the-side-of-commodity-money_06202013), you’ll end up just like the retirees from Detroit. Having additional resources, like a well stocked long-term pantry (http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/the-pantry-primer-12-strategies-to-build-the-ultimate-pantry-09222013) and a preparedness plan (http://readynutrition.com/resources/52-weeks-to-preparedness-an-introduction_19072011/) for financial disaster, can mean the difference between living in poverty or thriving when best laid plans fall apart.



Plan for the worst, because that’s what’s coming.

Shami-Amourae
7th December 2013, 12:55 AM
Whitey left. Whose gunna pay fu muhs chillen'?

Glass
7th December 2013, 03:23 AM
Puzzle me this one time.

A man retires and the year is 1976. The Steelers take Bowl number 10. After 85 years the man now resides in the future. It's 2013. How old was he in the year of the 10th Superbowl?


“Oh my, oh my. Everyone is worried. When we think about what could happen, it’s scary,” said Larsen, 85, who moved to Palm Harbor, Fla., outside of Tampa after he retired in 1976.

How many Superbowls since then?

Puzzle me this two times.
Man goes to Florida in 1977 on disability insurance. How long has he been retired?

“My net pension is $2,300 a month,” said Kammer, 77, who moved to Englewood, Fla., not long after retiring with a disability in 1977.

Twisted Titan
7th December 2013, 05:09 AM
Contestant number 1 retired at 37


Contestant number 2 retired at 36



Methinks this article protrudes from the backside of a bull.

Ponce
7th December 2013, 05:48 AM
I never worried about the future since I followed the rule of the book......"The Richest Man In Babylon".......it says "save 10% of your income and forger about it", more or less,..........I was lucky in the I was able to save-----as a single man with no kids----more than that.

You will say....."But I have three kids so that it is impossible to save anything".......well, you are taking home $3,000 a month while someone else is taking $2,300 and with 5 kids........is not a matter of how much you take home but of your saving habit, were you to follow the 10% rule pretty soon you would not notice it.

V

Neuro
7th December 2013, 05:51 AM
Contestant number 1 retired at 37


Contestant number 2 retired at 36



Methinks this article protrudes from the backside of a bull.
Yeah, but they retired at age 48 and 41 (37 and 36 years ago), and since then they have lived perfectly worry free in Sunny Florida, if true they got an excellent deal. But you are probably right it is just made up bullshit! If not they should start thinking about EARNING a living, delivering newspapers or something...

mick silver
7th December 2013, 08:25 AM
the top sucks off the bottom

Hatha Sunahara
7th December 2013, 08:58 AM
Ponce, your savings habits alone won't save you. If you save money, you also have to find a way to invest it so it won't become worthless because of inflation. In a world where money is created by debt, people who save money and avoid debt are non-conformists and punished ruthlessly. I agree with you about saving, and I think the world is perverted for not rewarding it. Savings would be rewarded in a better world. Save and buy gold and silver and you'll be OK. Even TP is a good investment.


Hatha

steyr_m
7th December 2013, 09:13 AM
Sucks, my Mom is a City of Detroit pensioner. It's gonna be tough

Shami-Amourae
7th December 2013, 09:18 AM
the Jew sucks off the rest

Fixed it.

gunDriller
7th December 2013, 10:13 AM
18% or 20% of a lot of pensions is plenty for a lot of people.

Ares
7th December 2013, 10:16 AM
What I find ironic is, people will still put their faith in a government to take care of them. Time and time again throughout history governments fail to do that due to self interest and greed. Why continue to give them power they do not deserve?

Uncle Salty
7th December 2013, 10:17 AM
Cherished delusions are being crushed...

Twisted Titan
7th December 2013, 11:25 AM
What I find ironic is, people will still put their faith in a government to take care of them. Time and time again throughout history governments fail to do that due to self interest and greed. Why continue to give them power they do not deserve?

I remembering hearing over and over

Get a job with the state
Get a job with town
Get a job at the university


You will be set for life.



It reminds me of the old jewess ayn rand

You can ignore reality but you can not ignore the consequences of ignoring reality

Glass
8th December 2013, 05:02 AM
I find it amazing that you can retire at age 48 on an employer provided pension. I can't see how you could have contributed enough to the organization in that time to retire on.

Ares
8th December 2013, 06:07 AM
I find it amazing that you can retire at age 48 on an employer provided pension. I can't see how you could have contributed enough to the organization in that time to retire on.

You can't it's like the other government run Ponzi Scheme called Social Security. It's been in the red since 09, yet retiree's are still getting paid their monthly allowance. The new generations can't find enough work to contribute "their fair share", so government does only thing it knows how. Just prints the money to maintain the illusion that it is solvent. If Detroit had its own printing press it would still be paying it pensioners too. Sooner or later it'll end and you're going to have a lot of pissed off retirees with an entitlement attitude of wheres mine?

I'll be happy to tell them, I don't owe them shit.